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The Worst Trade in the History of Baseball…….

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 28, 2012

….that’s what they’ll one day call it.

Everyone says this was all about the Dodgers desire to pick up A-Gone and being willing to *eat* 260 million to do so. That alone, if it were all the trade was about, could make  it the worst trade in the history of baseball. Gonzalez is a nice first baseman but he’s not a *game changer*. And for 260 mil, that’s what he should be. The fact is, there are huge questions about him being able to ever do that. He was great in San Diego where the pressure level is literally below sea level. Then he moved on to Boston, scored the big contract and while his numbers *held sway* in an ok way, there were definitely cracks in the U.S.S A-Gone. He was front and center involved in the attempted coup against Valentine last month. Now he’s back in the California where everyone thinks he’ll ease right back into the easy breezy NL West. But he’s not coming back as the guy who left for Boston. He’s coming back as a guy with a mega deal whose new team dropped a quarter of a billion dollars to acquire and who was brought here to win—*winning* is not really something that Gonzalez has ever been a part of. That’s some serious pressure to perform and your guess is as good as mine as to how he’ll do with that type of burden game in and game out–limited sample so far: he’s hitting .250 as a Dodger…….

But this trade isn’t just about Gonzalez. It’s about Josh Beckett. It is HUGELY about Josh Beckett. While the Dodgers await Lady B to un-bunch her panties from the DL, the square fact is that their starting staff is leaking major oil heading into this stretch drive. Unless they plan on pitching Kershaw every single game, that starting staff is nothing but one big question mark. If Beckett decides to slam that beer and wipe the left over fried chicken off the corners of his mouth, he might be THE MAIN factor in this mega-stupid deal. Last night he got his first start and it was largely underwhelming. His ERA for the game was 4.76 and his WHIP was an unsightly 1.76. All in all, it was a pretty Beckettish 2012 start. I have grave concerns about Beckett being able to simply *flip the switch* and get back to his dominant self. This guy doesn’t throw 94-96 anymore. These days, most of his fastballs run around 91.

Some have claimed that chemistry is overrated and that there are tons of examples of teams that won with poor chemistry. That’s true, but there are also tons of examples of teams that have lost because of it. The best example is the Boston Red Sox who have failed miserably the last 2 seasons. Many players were to blame for those 2 seasons of failure. The Dodgers just paid 260 million and gave away some great prospects to secure the services of three of them.

Unless they win it all this year, this will go down as The Worst Trade in the History of Baseball. And though you might be having a hard time seeing it, that’s what’s going down. Book it……..

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  1. blade3colorado said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:09 am

    I already said my piece on this, but once again, THIS IS AN IDIOTIC TRADE. Old saying applies here, “If you put a silver saddle on a Jack Ass, you still have a Jack Ass.”

    Bums just paid and flushed $250 million plus dollars down the drain for one maybe, two has beens, and one never was. Oh, they also got rid of a couple of excellent prospects for good measure. Bye bye.

  2. Robbie Lou said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:10 am

    The Giants have been handed a gift, but, hopefully, they will be meticulous unwrapping it. If I were Mr. Sabean, I’d send Colorado a big party favor and tell Bochy to be methodical in his handling of Houston. The billion dollar Dodgers have squandered there trip to the Rockies, already, and all we need to do is to take care of business and the result will take us into September on top.

  3. Robbie Lou said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:15 am

    The next time the Dodgers come to town, and when their highly paid 1st sacker comes to the plate, the Giants ought to consider playing the theme from “Rocky” overlaid with Stallone yelling, “eh, Adrian …”

  4. zumiee said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:23 am

    That was one of the funnier moments of the season last night- the first batter against Beckett crushing the ball into the stratosphere. All the Dodger fans, who were busy picking out the clothes they were going to wear to the Championship parade, looked up and said: “Huh???”

  5. zumiee said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:28 am

    A lot of Dodger fans were doing this all during the game last night:

  6. Salty said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:33 am

    As someone said when this bullshit deal went down, winning the West will be that much sweeter. I do prefer having the Dodgers contending. It’s far more compelling than kicking around the Padres or Dbacks. That hasn’t waned in the 50 yrs or so I’ve been watching. Lincecum facing Kemp may not be the same as Koufax facing Mays or Drysdale facing McCovey, but it’s still damn good theater when the games mean something.

    As you have noted, their problem is pitching. They obviously aren’t satisfied either, as yesterday it was mentioned on trade rumors the greedy bastards were trying to find another starter. They have to be worried about Billingsley’s elbow problem.

  7. Nipper said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:34 am

    I agree with BF completely.

  8. zumiee said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:36 am

    And speaking of Dodger fans, what’s with all the empty seats at Dodger stadium during the Marlin series? Yeah, the Marlins aren’t a marquee team these days, but the Dodgers are a contender, and you’d think that would have upped the enthusiasm for going to the games a bit. I guess I shouldn’t underestimate the feeling the Dodger fans have about their stadium these days, even with new ownership, that the place has turned into a dump, where even the Dodger fans don’t feel safe.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:40 am

      Your last sentence describes the situation perfectly Zum . . . Check out the LA Times – good column/article was written in the last few days about this issue.

      • Robbie Lou said, on August 28, 2012 at 1:52 pm

        Just got a call from a friend saying his son is buying a home near Dodger stadium because that is the only place he and his wife could afford, and it’s freaking him out. It never used to be that bad.

    • Nipper said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:18 am

      The McCourt legacy lives on…..and on….

  9. snarkk said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:30 am

    It’s way too early to call this the worst trade ever. Maybe it will turn out to be. But, not yet. If Crawford turns into a bum again, despite a healed arm, and Beckett turns into the first 5 years of Zito, yeah, it’ll be bad. But, part of why LA did this is to gain leverage in advance of the final negotiations for their TV deal this fall. If this helps them down the stretch, raising the ante against the Giants and developing some more TV traction in LA, it’ll be worth it in the final deal terms with Comcast or TimeWarner, which could easily exceed $4 billion over at least a decade, and a significant equity participation in the deal for the Dodgers…

  10. willedav said, on August 28, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Kind of odd that mattingly brought his closer Jansen in to pitch the 8th last night down 3-0 at the time. He faced 6 batters, got only two of them out and charged with 4 earned as the guy behind him (wall) threw a couple WPs and gave up a two run bomb to rosario. LAs gang of four in the middle 1-14 Hanley is hitting .254.
    I can understand getting a guy some work, but Coors doesn’t seem like the right place to do it.
    How much money you have to spend and how wisely you do it are two completely different issues. In the NL I give you the Padres at 60 Ws, and the Marlins (58) Phils (61) and Cubs (49). Boston had the epic meltdown last year, Angels are struggling and chasing the A’s Tampa and Balt for a playoff spot this year, and honestly I have doubts the Yanks for all their payroll can make it through playoffs with that pitching.
    Until the dodgers start making smarter moves I’m not sweating how much bank they have.

  11. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Snarkk, if the Dodgers don’t make the playoffs, I don’t think it affects the TV deal one iota. I mean the last deal was $3 billion/20 years. That deal is happening regardless of the standings.

    This is an all-or-nothing move that, if it doesn’t pay off in the next 2 years, will be looked at as a debacle. They look to be right where Boston is right now by the middle of 2014. A shitty team with too many bloated contracts who traded away their prospects.

  12. chipower9 said, on August 28, 2012 at 9:19 am

    What is up, Flappers. I was sure you all were ALL OVER this news (I was out of pocket over the weekend competing with the dogs). Anyway, I am so happy the Bums made this trade. Snarkk makes a good point…it is way to early to call this the worst trade ever, but I like the odds of the Bums not getting a good return on their money.

    Not only is it the coin and question marks (Crawford and Beckett), but they also gave up two of their top prospects.

    Here is a good piece from yesterday’s Merc (thank for Demp28 for sharing).

    http://m.mercurynews.com/sjm/db_101033/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=3neiZfLY

    Also, there was mention of the Bums going after a pitcher next…my understanding is they put out feelers on Texeria and Sabathia and the Yank-Mees said neither are available. Fuck the Bums!

    Salt – I agree that baseball and the NL West is much more compelling when the Bums are winning. Good point.

    • DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 9:26 am

      You compete with dogs?

      • chipower9 said, on August 28, 2012 at 9:36 am

        Yep….my girlfriend and I do agility with our dogs (where they run a timed course over jumps, through tunnels, etc.). It’s a blast…

      • Salty said, on August 28, 2012 at 9:59 am

        What kind of dogs, Chi?

      • chipower9 said, on August 28, 2012 at 10:43 am

        Norwich Terriers (bricks on legs). If you have ever seen the movie “Best in Show” the Norwich wins the whole enchilada…

        They are cool little dogs…

  13. DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 9:24 am

    It’s impossible for me to dislike Mattingly. Even Yankee-haters here like him.

    • chipower9 said, on August 28, 2012 at 9:37 am

      Sounds like a personal problem, Loo. They may have meds for that. ;-)

  14. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Nevermind .

  15. Flavor said, on August 28, 2012 at 9:44 am

    I’ve got nothing against Donny2Trips, seems like a nice enough guy. But he’s gonna shoulder the loAd to keep these complex personalities all on the same page. If they’re winning, that’s easy to do. But if they aren’t winning consistently?
    Hmmmmm….not sure 2-trips is up to the task.

  16. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 9:58 am

    No one is up to that task. Which is the problem in a nutshell.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 10:00 am

      Like I said, in 2 years LA will be Where Boston is now. Dumping salary and eating shit.

      • Nipper said, on August 28, 2012 at 11:50 am

        “Eating shit” Yeah!

      • Bozo said, on August 28, 2012 at 4:44 pm

        Bleep

  17. paulinasia said, on August 28, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Good post, Craig. All true, at this point looking at all angles. We’ll see what happens with the LA Yankers. LA Yodgers. LA Dankees. LA Dodgees. Whatever. The trade could be good for them, could also not be. I don’t fucking care anymore, because I don’t care about them. In some part, because I’ve always hated the Dodgers, since ’63, my first real full year remembering baseball, and they beat my beloved Yankees (ah, how things have changed) in 4 straight. Here’s why I don’t care: they don’t care. They don’t care about “team chemistry”, they don’t care that they just spent an unimaginable amount of money. They swagger around the place and then stink it up. Fuck ‘em. I care about what the Giants do the rest of the way.

    September approaches, the home stretch. If everybody on the team just does their job, they’ll be fine. If they don’t, then Bochy is going to have to work some magic, which he did so well two years ago in the post-season, and I look forward to that again, but it’s on the players now. I’ve criticized Bochy on two fronts recently (not naming a closer, who would clearly be Casilla unless/until they pick someone up via trade (quite possible)…. and not going with the hot hand — how much have we seen Arias since his monster night? WTF)… but it’s on the players to do their jobs. All of them. (That’s one reason I hate “closer by committee”.. they’re used to having a job to do, and now, they don’t really know what that is, except to try to get batters out, which a sadly high number of them haven’t been doing too well of late). Folks have picked on Pence as not contributing much; I’ve been in his corner on the thought that he was not brought here to save the offense, just be an effective piece, and that he walked into the whole Melky mess, probably somewhat disorienting, but yeah, he needs to at least start being a valuable piece, and now. Same with everyone. Baseball is complicated, but it’s also very simple: you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the ball. Do your jobs. And yeah, won’t that be fun to see SF win the division and the Dogs get beat for the wildcards by Atlanta and St. Louis….

    Speaking of Atlanta… Giants need to win the division, ’cause if they don’t, they could be facing Tim Hudson in a one game playoff. That would absolutely be the only scenario in the playoffs that I would be afraid of.

  18. Salty said, on August 28, 2012 at 10:20 am

    fwiw, LA 53-46 and 2.5 back on July 25th when HanRam arrived. So 16-14 since and still 2.5 back.

    • DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 11:05 am

      Another high sodium post!

  19. Bozo said, on August 28, 2012 at 10:28 am

    Quick look at some contracts

    Gonzo around 21 through 2018
    Craw around 20 through 2017
    Bucket around 16 through 2014
    HRam around 15 through 2014

    Kemp around 21 through 2019
    Either around 18 through 2017

    Thats around 110 mil a year for 6 guys.
    I’m not going to even go through the rest of the contacts but I also don’t want to forget

    Manny around 8 through 2013 and good old
    Andrew Jones about 3.2 through 2014

    Any sane person would have to believe that some of those contracts will become regrettable in the years to come like Manny and Andrew’s did.

  20. twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 10:32 am

    What the Red Sox do with the salary relief will be what determines the legacy of this trade. I don’t believe that Beckett was a choice of the Dodgers at all. They had already let it be known that they were willing to take in the ass on contracts because they didn’t like the winter FA market. They had tried to get Sabathia and Texeira before the Gonzalez/Beckett deal. Knowing what the Dodgers were willing to do-ANYTHING- Cherington had to know he was dealing with children. The Bums originally claimed just Gonzo but no deal was going to happen until they also
    claimed Beckett. The Dodgers didn’t want him, IMO- the Red Sox said they had to take him to make a deal. As soon as the Dodgers claimed Beckett the deal went down in an instant. What a gift for the Sox- remember that AL teams and all of those below the Dodgers in the NL had the first shot at Gonzalez and passed. Who else but the Dodgers would let it be known that they were willing to take on that kind of money AND give up players? So the Bums got Gonzalez-a pitcher the Sox were dying to off, an injured player with a huge contract and no reason to think he’d ever be what he was ( he was sucking before he was hurt), and a scrappy reserve. That the Dodgers took on 95 percent of the salaries AND gave up what they did in players already makes it the stupidest trade- when the Red Sox begin to spend their early Christmas check we’ll see if it was also the worst. I’ll go with Craig- it will be the worst ever. And my goodness- since it took LA 10 years to get over a showboat pirouette by Bonds- the whole city should be placed on suicide watch as this unfolds..

    • chipower9 said, on August 28, 2012 at 10:48 am

      I vote POTD for that…that is some funny shit, Michael (and true)…that’s what makes it so good!

      And a very good thread too, BF!

    • Robbie Lou said, on August 28, 2012 at 1:59 pm

      I think LA already has an entire industry on suicide watch but how long do you think it will take for them to dump Beckett if he is 0 and 4 in a couple of weeks?

  21. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Haven’t read Purdy for a while. Nice article.Here’s the gist:

    The Dodgers now have salary obligations for $192.6 million for the 2013 season and aren’t blinking.

    Ouch.

    • snarkk said, on August 28, 2012 at 11:18 am

      My point exactly, Chuck. Giants fans are deriding this deal for down the road monetary consequences to LA. They’ve been conditioned to be cautious because of this constant drumbeat of “the budget” shit from Baer, Sabes, and the Giants’ grand poobah faceless ownership management committee. Wrong perspective. The point is that this new LA ownership doesn’t and won’t for the foreseeable future give a crap about a “budget”. They don’t have one. They are going to be rolling in money. The new ownership is looking to tap the huge hispanic baseball fan population in SoCal like it’s never been tapped before. Hire some FA guns, use those that work, toss the ones that don’t and eat their salaries, and move on. Mix in some home grown talent, and get ‘er done. This is the new boss, and it ain’t same as the old boss, with apologies to The Who. Will that model work? Well, the Yankees are in the playoffs every year. Do they win the WS every year? No, not in over a decade. But, they’re in the PO dance every year, so in that important sense, the LA Yanks model works. Kasten is no dumbshit, he knows what he’s doing, and now he has nearly unlimited funds, unlike his days in Atlanta. FAs will be falling over themselves to go to LA. The cost of winning in the NL West just went up, big time. So, the era of dumbass competition from LA is over, and Giants management has to adjust to it…

      • twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 1:57 pm

        They absorbed over a quarter billion in salary obligations, surrenderd two high end pitching prospects, and in return got exactly one quaity player…..and as a wise acre on Fangaphs notes…..”and Nick Punto”.. I don’t know that free agents will be flocking to LA but GMs have to be happy that the Beverly Hillbillies finally do own the Bums-

  22. chipower9 said, on August 28, 2012 at 10:49 am

    I could give a fuck if they take on half a fucking billion in salary obligations and don’t blink. I am with Paul in Asia…I could give a flying fuck what the Bums do. FUCK THEM!

    • DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 11:06 am

      You’re in Asia now? With the dogs?

      • chipower9 said, on August 28, 2012 at 11:18 am

        No…I did make a reference to Paul in Asia. I was in Santa Rosa this weekend with the dogs. Back home now in lovely Camino…

  23. Salty said, on August 28, 2012 at 10:55 am

    Just read Rosenthal’s take. First I’ve read anything about the prospects they gave up and what they have left in the system.

    http://tinyurl.com/8ksjbor

    • chipower9 said, on August 28, 2012 at 11:28 am

      Interesting read…thanks for sharing, Salt. Oh, and have I mentioned…Fuck the Dodgers…

  24. twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 11:42 am

    OK- I want to set the record straight on a statement Craig made the other day- in dismissing my prediction that we’d win the West this year, Flavor noted that I pick them every year. That was an outrageous fabrication- actually I didn’t pick them to win in 1979. I remember that because it still pisses me off that it destroys any claim I might have to being their greatest, albeit most delusional, fan…

  25. snarkk said, on August 28, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Look for the new Dodger ownership to do some substantial renovations and changes to Dodger Stadium. They own it, they can change it. The stadium now is old and huge. I would think they’ll reduce the seating capacity somewhat to below 50K, it’s now 55K, make it somewhat more of an intimate experience. They’ve hired the same person that consulted on the design for the fan experience at Camden Yards and Turner Field, so something’s going to happen. I also wouldn’t doubt it if they moved the fences in a bit as part of the renovation…

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1309636-why-giving-dodger-stadium-a-new-age-facelift-would-be-great-for-mlb-la-fans

    • DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 1:41 pm

      How about separate sections for Crips & Bloods?

      • blade3colorado said, on August 28, 2012 at 1:47 pm

        Loo, that wont work unless you want to start a gang war with La Eme (Mexican Mafia).

  26. twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Of note is that McCourt still half-owns the parking lots. Astounding that the ownership group didn’t get clear title to all the land… and he also owns an entire city block that woud be in the right of way if the city would ever want to expand access to Dodger Stadium- I’d look for many court dates with Mr. McCourt in the coming years…

    • Nipper said, on August 28, 2012 at 1:53 pm

      McCourt is one smart dude, keeping the parking lots. The man knows his parking!

      • DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:06 pm

        Ralph Kramden: We spend $200, we make $2,000 and the profit is $1,800. We can’t lose.

        Ed Norton: Can’t lose, huh? That’s what you said when you bought the parking lot next to where they were building up the movie house there. You said, “People going to the movies got to have a place to park their car.”

        Ralph Kramden: How did I know they were building a drive-in theater?

  27. Robbie Lou said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Kershaw now saying he’s open to talking a “long term” deal, so I expect he got a little nervous when he saw them open the bank vault. I have to think he will break the bank and get something in the range of $30-35MM a year, for what, 5 years or more? Thoughts?

    • Nipper said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:08 pm

      It would nice to be Kershaw.

    • DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:10 pm

      10 years/$ 3 billion…

      • unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:12 pm

        lqtm.

      • Robbie Lou said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:16 pm

        No shit, talk about being in the driver’s seat. You know that somebody is getting his ass chewed out for not signing him sooner, because all he has to do is tell his agent, why not give that guy Cashin a one ring-a-dingee to see what they might be willing to pay. It’s quite a little pickle Kersh might say and I prefer the sweeter kind.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:18 pm

      For a pitcher? I think 25 million a year for 5 years is reasonable. No way he gets $30-35 million for 5 years in my opinion, but we are talking about a team that just made an imbecilic trade. So, who knows? Maybe he can get the Yankees and the Phils to join the bidding. Ha. Silly season is definitely here.

      Also, why would he get nervous? If anything, I would think he is feeling peaceful and serene (not to mention confident) about his situation.

  28. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Snarkk, that 11:18 post is flat wrong. The gist of the article is that the Yankees spent gazillions of dollars in the past 10 years.

    In those 10 years, the Yankers have been to the WS 2 times, and won once (they won in 2009 btw).

    In those same 10 years, the SF Giants have been to the World Series 2 times, and won once.

    You can argue the merits of how it was done, but most would say the Giants way is the most sustainable.

    If LA doesn’t win in the next 2 years, they will do exactly what Boston just did. And that’s dump salary in a big way. Being rich doesn’t mean you endlessly throw money into the fire pit.

    • Nipper said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:09 pm

      BLEEP!

    • snarkk said, on August 28, 2012 at 3:30 pm

      Your opinion, Chuck. The economics of baseball are constantly changing, especially in the ultra big markets. At some point, MLB will have to seriously consider a salary cap of some sort, because the difference between the bigs and the smalls is getting wider, not narrower. I see no reason why the Dodgers can’t sustain a payroll of well over $200M a year into the foreseeable future, if they want to do it, including throw aways and deferreds…

  29. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    And the ‘courting the hispanics’ angle is ludicrous. How’s that working out in Miami and their Cuban populi?

    If you suck no one shows.

    In LA, even if you are GOOD, no one shows. Win it all a couple years in a row, THEN you might get some traction. The Dodgers will always draw decently. A bump in their attedance ain’t going to mean jack squat.

    • Robbie Lou said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:22 pm

      The Latins living around the stadium won’t be a good fit for the glitterati either, no offense intended. When they get the bill for all the shit they are buying, they will need to sell tickets for a grand a seat.

    • snarkk said, on August 28, 2012 at 3:34 pm

      The new TV contract supposedly contemplates more content geared towards the hispanic population in LA and joint ownership of English and Spanish Dodger cable networks, meaning more ad revenues than before (so the team will get equity in the TV deal, which it apparently did not have in the expiring deal). The economics of the new deal are at another level compared to the old deal. Attendance is not the big target, they’ll probably even reduce the size of the stadium with the renovations. The TV audience drives the new economics. So much so, there are reports that the Dodgers may just form their own cable network like YES, and take most if not all the revenue themselves…

  30. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Robbie, Kershaw should be drooling, not nervous. He’s going to make bank in a BIIIIG way.

    • Robbie Lou said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:20 pm

      No kiddie, I was simply being facetious. I expect he was a little pissed that they haven’t rolled out the red carpet. On top of all of this, they now have to – absolutely must- build a new stadium and it will have to be better or at least more expensive than all the rest. I guess for a team that cost what $2 billion, it’s pocket change. hah!

      • Robbie Lou said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:20 pm

        No kidding I meant to type.

      • unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:22 pm

        Ahhh. Sometimes sarcasm doesn’t translate well . . .

    • Robbie Lou said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:26 pm

      Well he may have been thinking he was a little bit left off. Hard to tell but he may be the James Brown of the National League as far as giving the bums the most for their money. What an incredible fighter. I don’t want to have us face him any time soon, but I enjoyed watching him pitch.

  31. chipower9 said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Giants activate Mota…Affeldt on paternity leave…

    • unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:21 pm

      Jeremy better be careful cutting the cord . . .

      • blade3colorado said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:23 pm

        Hey, were not talking frozen hamburger paddies here. :-)

    • Robbie Lou said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:23 pm

      Man that makes me so happy. I’m cross eyed watching the parade of whipper snappers lately. Gil is okay by me. His deal was totally different in my view.

  32. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    So, Mota’s going to roll right back onto the team? Crazy.

    This is why no one will blink an eye when Melky signs a 4 year/$28 mill contract next year.

    • twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:31 pm

      If that’s all he gets the testesterone cost him about 5 million a year minimum.

      • unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:58 pm

        Poor bastard.

      • twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 3:09 pm

        We’ll see just how stupid baseball owners are when we see what Melky gets. They’d have to be complete idiots to think they’d get anything but a 10 HR .250 hitting out of shape scumbag- wait- I forgot LA – 10 years, 15 million per sounds just right…

    • Robbie Lou said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:32 pm

      I didn’t hear the whole story well enough to quote anything but apparently Mota’s error was not intentional. At least I heard that from some broadcaster. He took some medication which had something in it they said? Melky’s problem I’d say was that he was stupid and listened to some hinky promoters who didn’t have a clue and left him out to dry. I also heard that Melky heard they were coming for him for a month or two prior to getting the boot. Apparently he had flunked a few tests.

  33. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Maybe Magic can dig up Undead Al Davis to work on a new stadium deal for LA.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:26 pm

      I don’t think he’s too too busy in Hell.

      • shaman138 said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:42 pm

        Or he can just have the saintly Eddie D. kick down some mobster money.

    • shaman138 said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:45 pm

      He’ll follow the 49ers’ method of building new stadiums and build it way out in Palm Springs.

      • unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 3:03 pm

        Maybe Irwindale is finally out from under Undeal Al’s last deal down there.

  34. blade3colorado said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Dodgers asked about CC Sabathia and Mark Teixeira last month . . . and the NY Post wrote a column that strongly suggested that the Yankees should push Alex Rodriguez on them. Too frickin’ funny.

    • Robbie Lou said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:34 pm

      That’s a wonderful idea, maybe they were willing to throw in Madonna?

    • twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:44 pm

      I talked about that a little in another post today-that’s when LA let it be known that they’d be willing to give up players and prospects and absorb contracts. Cherington was eating a fine Porterhouse when he heard of this and had to have the Heimlich maneuver administered. But on that evening, the first glimmerings of the Great LA Trade Robbery were born..

  35. dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    In the post about Mota being activated the Merc also report that MLB corroborated Mota’s cough syrup defense. I haven’t seen this reported before.

    • Robbie Lou said, on August 28, 2012 at 2:35 pm

      That’s what I heard from an announcer too.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 3:02 pm

      I guess Melky took notes and tried to go with that . . .

      Not sure what to believe, but hey. He’s back, he’s rested, and ready . . .

  36. demp28 said, on August 28, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    In case anybody cares, tonight’s game features the Astros being managed by Tony DeFrancesco; who managed the Sacramento RiverCats as late as 2010.
    Worst trade ever? How about Nathan, Liriano, and Bonser to Minnesota for Pierzynski?
    BTW, Fuck the Dodgers, Lakers, USC, and Mater Dei.

    • twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 3:13 pm

      Hold on there! We got the Boofer back!
      It will be awfully tough to beat Brock/Broglio no matter how many players are involved.

  37. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Alex Hinshaw, DFAed by the Cubbies . . . they hardly knew ye . . .

    • twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 3:17 pm

      Funny, I posted when the Cubs got him. He lasted 9 days.

      • twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 3:20 pm

        a 135.00 ERA and 3 straight dingers will tend to sour a team on the new guy..

  38. snarkk said, on August 28, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    If Mota’s back after two busts, and it’s no surprise he is, then Melky’s definitely in the hunt to come back. If we’re worried about lying, all the ‘roiders and PEDers are liars, by definition. Melky was stoopid just once, and let his advisors try a stoopid website defense, which he can claim he knew nothing about, which may not be far from the truth. Mota’s cough syrup defense seems sketchy to me, MLB could easily for PR purposes say they believed him, but their hands were tied by the drug program rules. I’d say two busts including one with the Robitussin defense equals one bust with a website alibi gone awry. Just cut Melky’s pre-bust deal by 60%-70%, have some incentives, and he’s good to go…

    • twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 3:47 pm

      Coming back HERE? I’d make that 999-1.

      • snarkk said, on August 28, 2012 at 3:58 pm

        Looks like a longshot now. As things cool in the off season, and the 2013 outfield looks dicey, at it will, the odds on his return may come down. If he issues an apology to all when the smoke clears, why not?…

      • twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 3:58 pm

        Wouldn’t they be at least one game into the NLCS when he was eligible to return, presuming they won the division and the NLDS? I can’t imagine any way they’d they want him if they had gone that far without him.

      • twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 4:01 pm

        “If he issues an apology to all when the smoke clears, why not?…”
        Because he’ll be an out of shape .250 hitter again…

  39. twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    What did Mota accidentally take the first time? While I’m not as freaked about PEDs as many are I’m definitely of the opinion that the team should be distancing themselves from this.In any case he probably has about a 2 bad outing leash..

  40. twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    A couple more days of burger talk in “B” and then we’ll chat about Pizza, as Loo requested.

  41. snarkk said, on August 28, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Appropos of not much, Peter Guber, part owner of the Warriors, is also a co-owner of the Dodgers…

    • unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 4:49 pm

      Figures, with that name . . .

      Fucking Goober . . .

  42. Wilcojoe said, on August 28, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Just had a nice chat with Baggs on the field…congratulated him on his jeopardy run… Asked him if Melky has appologized…”nope not to me or anyone on the club…he’s gone.” did tell me that Mota is here though.

    • Flavor said, on August 28, 2012 at 4:58 pm

      Yeah, I’d heard about the “no apology thing”. He didn’t evn say goodbye. Melky will never play for SF again. And does anyone want Mota sans steroids? Fuck that I don’t. And if all he took was cough syrup how come this didn’t get fixed with an appeal?

      • Flavor said, on August 28, 2012 at 5:06 pm

        And Wilco! Excellent job interviewing baggs on the field before the game! Snap some pics and send them to me

      • unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 5:11 pm

        Because it was endorsed by Mark McGwire.

  43. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    Time for Pence to get rolling . . .

  44. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    Fuck. Almost . . .

  45. twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Gee, the Astros have one good player and he robs Pence of a hit and RBI.. when it’s going bad…

  46. PawlieKokonuts said, on August 28, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    I’m now watching on MLB.tv. A pleasure to do this before the wee hours of the morning.

    • Bozo said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:17 pm

      Agreed.

  47. PawlieKokonuts said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    That dumbshit artificial phony moronic faux contrived quote hill unquote in Minute Maid Park is the stupidest thing in baseball, more stooopid than the DH or wild card or anything. It is false, inauthentic, goofy, idiotic. And I don’t like the Astros’ announcers, either.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:20 pm

      How do you feel about lemonade? Orange juice?

      • PawlieKokonuts said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:48 pm

        both give me heartburn

      • blade3colorado said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:52 pm

        Well, I agree that (boot) hill gives me heartburn too.

  48. DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    Any luck with Ed Randle, Pawlie? The one year anniversary would be a great hook…

    • DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:21 pm

      On second thought, I think he’s gone when football season starts…

      • PawlieKokonuts said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:31 pm

        Funny you say that. No luck yet with Ed Randall, so just today I had a book sent to Steve Somers of WFAN, with my email and cell number noted. If I’m not mistaken, isn’t Somers a fan of our Jints? Or is that another guy there? His bio says he started out in Berkeley. Also, I got word that The Guardian online, USA edition, will review BASEBALL’S STARRY NIGHT in September. I’ve also sent a copy to The New Yorker’s reviewer, who said he’d consider it (which in itself was awesome). I’m working it, sister.

      • DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:34 pm

        Somers grew up a huge SFG fan. Since converted to the Metropolitans…

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:35 pm

      …plus I’m scheduled to do a sports bar thing in Tampa, at Ferg’s, on Sept. 28

      • PawlieKokonuts said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:37 pm

        I think I got through to Somers, from Syracuse, in 1993, amidst — well, we all know what happened. something tells me WFAN carried a Giants baseball game then. Maybe not, but I called in to talk about the Les Keiter days on WINS1010.

  49. blade3colorado said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Rockies spanking LA at the moment, albeit, Bums have runners at the corners with one out in the 2nd. Still early . . . 10-15 more runs at least expected. :-)

  50. PawlieKokonuts said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Man, I have to tip my hat to Angel Pagan, for putting in a full-day’s work in the last seven or so minutes. Q. How many half-innings have been that physically brutal on so many Giants players (Cain, Posey, Pagan, Crawford, Blanco) in such short duration? Hunh? That shit just does not show up in the box score or online pitch-by-pitch description. Whew.

    • DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:28 pm

      You’ve got that very much correct…

  51. PawlieKokonuts said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    Angelic.

  52. DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    NL Player of the month?

    • twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:38 pm

      Don’t see how he’d beat out Posey for that.Haven’t checked oher contenders.Great month, though

  53. PawlieKokonuts said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    fongool

  54. DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    Seems like we give up an awful lot of HRs…

    • twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:42 pm

      12th most in NL, 114 before tonight. No surprise, Colorado has given up the most with 160.

      • DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:06 pm

        Thank you for checking that. Maybe we give up an awful lot of game-tying and go ahead HRS?

  55. PawlieKokonuts said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    a clusterfeck

  56. blade3colorado said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    Unbelievable play I just witnessed of Kemp running almost full speed into the center field wall and knocking himself out. He was motionless for 10 minutes. Rutledge got a triple on the play. When Kemp finally got up, he stayed in for one more play, diving for a ball by Pacheco . . . Too woozy after that to play and he was replaced by Rivera.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:42 pm

      They keep panning to the visible “dent” he left in the padding. Looks exactly like one of those chalk outlines the police draw after someone get’s smoked in a shooting.

    • DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:55 pm

      Tell me about it. I’m ready to blow up the Nissan dealership down the street…

      • blade3colorado said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:06 pm

        Great Loo . . . Now, the alphabet soup agencies of the Patriot Act (e.g., FBI, DOD, NSA, CIA, etc.) are monitoring the Flap.

      • DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:12 pm

        Sorry, Blade. That was supposed to go under Pawlie’s “Transformers” remark…

  57. DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    Pence chokes up on what looks to me like a short bat – plus he has an open stance and tends to fly open as the Astro announcer just pointed out. How can he ever hit an outside pitch?

  58. PawlieKokonuts said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    If MLB plays that Transformers commercial one more time, I’m going to run into our living-room wall like Kemp.

  59. PawlieKokonuts said, on August 28, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Wallace looks like Tom Jones, circa 1966.

  60. PawlieKokonuts said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Imagine Marichal, Perry, Gibson, Drysdale, Koufax, or Newcombe — or even Sadecki — leaving a 1-1 game because of a — wait for it — blister. Big Pussy, as The Sopranos would have it.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:07 pm

      Baseball needs more Ronnie Lott type players.

      • blade3colorado said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:09 pm

        Or, more Mordecai Peter Centennial “Three Finger” Browns manning the pitcher’s mound.

      • blade3colorado said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:10 pm

  61. willedav said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    The dodgers are stil paying manny and andruw jones? Hard to f-ing believe, but not when you consider some other bonehead moves such as these:
    signing juan rivera and bobby abreu alongside chris gwynn as their OFs, all of whom suck and two of whom are no longer with the team.
    they let furcal go to the Cards, and all he did was spark them toward the playoffs and wound up with a ring. The replacement was gordon, who is a very erratic fielder and a .200 hiiter. Hanley is no longer a good defensive SS, if he ever really was (a number of lbs. ago). He might eat himself into a LF and could easily be the next Soriano.
    They let go utility IF jamey carroll who hit .290 for them and kept juan uribe who is hitting like .190 with zero range. Mark Ellis is at .265 and not the same guy he was 3-4 yrs ago for the A’s. Victorino is hitting .260 also.
    In short, a series of less than stellar moves by the front office.

  62. PawlieKokonuts said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    The Mets are still paying Bobby Bonilla. As Casey Stengel allegedly would say, you can look it up.

  63. DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Wonder if we’re heading for one of these in Houston that I remember watching:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/HOU/HOU196804150.shtml

    Check out the Mets 3-4 hitters…

    • SanDawg said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:28 pm

      Swoboda 0-10 w/ 5 K’s—-yikes!

  64. snarkk said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Pence is finally trying my patience, waiting for him to start hitting to his baseball card. He’s got to cut down on swinging constantly at slop. Sheezus, he’s starting to make Pablo look like he’s picky at the plate…

  65. zumiee said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    What a weird little ballpark this is. It feels like they’re playing in that little baseball field near the Willie McCovey statue.

  66. DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    Need Ted for a DP…

    • TedSpe said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:51 pm

      eh?

  67. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    He swings at down and away shit that he couldn’t hit with a fucking oar.

    Someone said before he got here that his stance was shit. I agree.

  68. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Matty getting near 120.

  69. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    Oh fuck me. This is toast. What a stupid fucking game. Waste 3 doubles and get shut down by the astros.

  70. DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    Be glad Cain didn’t get killed at the plate…

  71. PawlieKokonuts said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    looked more PB than WP

  72. zumiee said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    The Giants offense found new ways to torture Cain tonight.

  73. demp28 said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    In football, they call it a “trap” game. This better not be a “trap” road trip.

  74. zumiee said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    It could be worse- we could be watching Ann Romney or Chris Christie give a speech.

    • Salty said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:56 pm

      I watched 8 seconds and felt sick.

      • Macdog said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:01 pm

        I can’t wait for Christie to say “I sleep in a van down by the river.”

    • blade3colorado said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:13 pm

      Total gas bag. Christie I mean . . . Obviously in love with himself. As Rachel Maddow said, “He gave a 2600 word plus speech and except, for 100 or so words about Mitt Romney, everything was about him.” You just saw his introductory speech insofar as the next Presidential election, because it’s obvious that he doesn’t think Romney is going to win this one. LMAO.

      • snarkk said, on August 28, 2012 at 9:14 pm

        He may need a quadruple bypass before the next election…

      • blade3colorado said, on August 28, 2012 at 9:24 pm

        No shit. Quite frankly, I’ll lay odds that he is dead on arrival if he sticks to his beer, ice cream and fast food diet.

  75. shaman138 said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Obviously, it doesn’t matter what the Dogs do if we can’t get it done against the stupid Asstros and Cubs.

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:52 pm

      Not so, actually. If the Dodgers lose every game from here on out and so do we, we get the division.

  76. Salty said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    It seems bad teams with nothing to lose play the spoiler every year.

  77. Salty said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Arias!!

  78. Bozo said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Wow. Way to be Arias.

  79. PawlieKokonuts said, on August 28, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Flannery gets an assist.

  80. DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    I’m finally starting to enjoy Flannery’s chase ‘em home routine. That one was especially comical looking…

    • Macdog said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:04 pm

      The Gomer Pyle image by the ‘Stros announcers was kinda funny.

      • DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:07 pm

        I’m always paranoid that somehow Flannery will get called for interference and cost them a game. What if a throw to the plate hits him when he’s 75 feet from the coaching box?

  81. Bozo said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Hector, getting it done.

  82. Macdog said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    The bench gettin’ it done!

  83. twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Belt, Arias, Sanchez all getting it done.

  84. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Romo in the 9th? We need more runs.

  85. Wilcojoe said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    Flav, what’s your email? I will email you a couple pix from my phone.

  86. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    Keep it down Romo.

  87. twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    That’s the slider he had before he got the Hangitis Virus…

  88. DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Looks like a closer to me. Romo now 7 for 8 in save opps. Time to commit…

  89. Bozo said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Romo, getting it done and the Giants got it done.

  90. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    Wow. Gutty little win there. Nice job from the bench . . .

  91. DJLoo said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Rockie’s 2B has 12 assists (8-4 COL. / Top 9)

    • Macdog said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:27 pm

      Even vs. the Dodgers, that dinosaur is fucking annoying.

  92. Alleykat said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    What a gutsy comeback win by the.Giants!..And my closer Sergio Romo lights out!!!

  93. PawlieKokonuts said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    I’ll tell ya. Tomorrow’s line score won’t do it justice, but that was a hard-fought, rugged, bruising important win. Good battle.

  94. Macdog said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    3 1/2.

  95. Alleykat said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Well they had to battle hard and im not sure why, when you consider their 3 Starting Pitchers in this series have a combined record of 9-27.Should smoke their Asses all 3 games.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:36 pm

      Should doesn’t mean will, but this was a tough win. Hope the next 2 are easier.

    • twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:43 pm

      That it was tough doesn’t diminish the win in the least.

  96. unca_chuck said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Dodgers lose!

  97. Bozo said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    Great Team win by the Giants tonight. The Dodgers group each ate $5,000 hamburgers, so it’s all good.

  98. Macdog said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    For all the ridicule Tracy gets over the 75-pitch limit, it sure seems to work against the Dodgers.

    • twinfan1 said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:54 pm

      Well, the ridicule is still well deserved- but happy to see it work against the Bums.

  99. TedSpe said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Nice win. Had no idea Affeldt was pregnant but whatever

  100. Alleykat said, on August 28, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    Great line by Kuiper on the postgame show….The gang was talking about Flannery’s antics at 3rd as he sends Belt home tonight.1st he mentions how Bochy fired him once in SD, but then he mentioned this line running with Belt down the “Come on my butts on the line,my butts on the line”!!!!!!


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