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Limp, Lifeless, Flaccid and Tired……

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on April 22, 2014

Well, that was ugly.

When your all-star stud catcher is hitting .227, and that’s good for 5th highest on the team, your team is in trouble. Let’s take a gander at who is batting below Gerald D.

Hicks: .206

Pence: .197

Adrianza: 182

Arias: .167

Panda: .162

Hector: .125

Blanco: .087

Can’t win with this stuff and “We Score We Win” is taking on new meaning…..

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  1. Nipper said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:14 am

    Giants hitting…..where is it? What is it? I don’t care for these players. Great character guys but poor performers.

  2. dirtnrocksnomo said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:15 am

    From what I have read and heard from Sabean he has some special metrics that he emphasizes. Not just that silly money ball stuff. It’s the seldom understood “do some damage” metric. OBP is not factored into the formula.

    • Chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:29 am

      What feeds this metric? Kicking over the post-game buffet table? Smashing a water cooler in the dugout?? Might be time for some of these types of antics to kick-start this team.

      • blade3colorado said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:31 am

        I thought it was going to happen after that called 3rd strike on Pagan. He was livid.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:59 am

        What feeds it? Cha-Cha bowls, of course.

      • Chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 11:40 am

        Probably hard-pressed to find a Cha-Cha bowl in the Mile High City…

        Now Friday night, that will not be an issue.

  3. sandy said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:03 am

    “Limp lifeless flaccid and tired”….a good description of this blog.

    • unca_chuck said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:04 am

      Speak for yourself . . . hah!

    • Chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:31 am

      No, sounds like what you have in your hand and are hoping to bring to life. Go screw yourself with limp flacidness…

    • snarkk said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:41 am

      Welcome, sandy!…

      • Chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:46 am

        Yeah, welcome Sandy. A bunch of the Flappers are out back…waiting for you to come out. You’re the special guest for a good ol’ fashioned “blanket party.”

  4. unca_chuck said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:04 am

    Well, this is the completion-reversal Jamesian post. We can’t pitch OR hit. Bleeeeh.

  5. snarkk said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:33 am

    I love the Giants announcers when they talk about the starter for the day hoping to be the “stopper”. How can you be a stopper if the team barely scores? Instead, I want somebody to be the “bopper”…

    • Chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:41 am

      Right now we need a stopper and a bopper (or 3 or 5)…

  6. snarkk said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:36 am

    Giants aren’t as good a hitting team as they were the first week of games, they aren’t as bad as they’ve been the past 10 days. I think they’re all trying to hit a home run every time up because they don’t think the guy behind them is going to get it done. And Bochy doesn’t help with his hitting philosophy, which is basically grip and rip…

  7. Bozo said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:38 am

    Chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:15 am (Edit)
    “Well, it cannot get much worse. Need Bum to go deep and keep the Sherpas at bay,”

    Agree Chi, we need Bum to hit another grand slam…oh, you meant pitching wise, well that too. :)

    • Chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:43 am

      Yep…I was thinking pitching, John…but WTF…half the regulars cannot hit themselves out of a wet paper bag, so let’s hope Madison launches something other than a few of his snot rockets (a big fly would be good).

  8. Chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:40 am

    The positive on all this? It is early. The season is only a little over 12% done. And you think losing to the Rox in their pinball arcade yard, the Bums got shut-outu 7-0 by the sub-.500 Phils last night, 7-0.

    I think this team will come around…they’re just scuffling right now (all teams go through stretches like this).

    I still think Vogey is done until he proves me differently. On the flip-side…one of the guys I wanted to sign instead of Voges was Arroyo. He is 1-2 with a 9.50 ERA and 2.00 WHIP. Vogey isn’t much better, but Arroyo is inked for 2 years at 23.5 mil.

    • snarkk said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:45 am

      Yep, I would have gone for Arroyo, too. He’d do better at ATT, the Dbacks yard is not good for him, though he’s been cuffed on the road. I said earlier I thought a decision would have to be made on Voggy by mid-May, I’m not wavering on that. That’s about 4 more starts. If he keeps looking like Wellemeyer’s twin, it’ll be time to bring up somebody. Kuiper this morning on KNBR said he thought they’d give him 15 starts to sort it out. Crap, that’s half the season, and too many IMO if he keeps leaking oil, since he’s been leaking oil like this for well over a season. He’s a #5, but he’s had one good start out of 4 so far, the rest have not just been blah, they’ve sucked. I’d rather see a young guy up here as a #5 and suck while learning, there’s a chance he’ll improve…

  9. Chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 11:00 am

    Interesting. In looking at some of SF’s top prospects, out of these four starters (all of whom are pitching in Richmond):

    Crick
    Mejia
    Blach
    Blackburn

    Crick has the worst numbers (as our number 1 prospect).

    Derek Law is looking good, too. 1.23 ERA and 0.55 WHIP. 11 Ks in 7.1 IP.

  10. snarkk said, on April 22, 2014 at 11:02 am

    I would assume they’re bringing up a pitcher after Huff got hurt last night. Dunno who down there is more suited to a mid-relief role…

  11. Macdog said, on April 22, 2014 at 11:29 am

    Looks like they’ve recalled Perez.

  12. Chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 11:50 am

    Yup…Huff to the 15 day DL and Perez has been recalled. Not that much of a surprise to me, as one of the pieces I was reading this morning had Bochy saying that he thought the bullpen was in good shape for the final two games against the Rox, especially with Thursday being an off day.

    • snarkk said, on April 22, 2014 at 11:55 am

      OK, good. If he thinks the Pen can handle it, they’ll not need 13 pitchers after the Coors visit. Perez has such a big bat, he’ll surely help start a hitting fire… ;)

  13. blade3colorado said, on April 22, 2014 at 11:52 am

    Giants need to make a statement tonight. Currently, they are the only West Division team with a winning road and home record. I would like to see that continue (especially, since I will be at the game). Surprisingly, both the Denver Post and reader comments were muted with regard to last night’s win. In short, there is a heavy dose of skepticism among fans about the Rockies ability to pitch and hit on the road (4-7 record) versus their out of this world play at Sherpa Mountain.

    Perhaps not noticeable to you, but the Sherpas are already being “stretched” in starting pitching, as Chacin and Anderson are both on the DL. De La Rosa was on the ropes prior to last night’s game. Unfortunately, the Giants couldn’t deliver the knock out, much less even jab. The key for the Rockies this season is ensuring their bullpen is not overworked. Consequently, it would be nice to see the Giants put up some crooked numbers of their own in tonight’s game.

  14. dirtnrocksnomo said, on April 22, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    Here’s some pic of old time ballplayers.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault/2014/04/22/william_vander_weyde_photos_of_baseball_players_from_1904.html

    • unca_chuck said, on April 22, 2014 at 12:57 pm

      Good to see a pic if Joe ‘Iron Balls’ McGinnity . . .

  15. Irish Kevin said, on April 22, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Well in my opinion, which is the best one. there is no way in hell that Panda and Pence continue to have a BA below the Mendoza line. I said in the previous thread. Lets have these slumps now, cause they are not going to continue for 150 more games.

  16. Chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    Very cool picts, Dirt. Thanks for sharing.

    Duff Cooley and Socks Seybold. Now those are some baseball names!

    • blade3colorado said, on April 22, 2014 at 12:55 pm

      In 1879, Duff was rated the number 2 most popular name behind John and Socks was number 7, following Edward at number 6.

    • unca_chuck said, on April 22, 2014 at 12:58 pm

      Seybold, whose real nickname wasn’t for public consumption, was ‘Whacksocks’ Seybold.

  17. unca_chuck said, on April 22, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    Yeah, those ar cool, Dirt. Much better than the usual posed pictures from that era.

  18. Alleykat said, on April 22, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    God do we have to suffer another year of total shit from are 5th Starter?
    We’re getting “Vog-Zitoed” out there!!!
    Speed dial Edwin Escobar ferchrissakes!!!

  19. Chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    From what I have seen of Vogey this year, I would take Zito for a couple of starts at this point. Seems as if Nicole didn’t service Vogey quite enough, and probably did not fix enough enchiladas…

  20. Chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    1. Angel Pagan (S) CF
    2. Hunter Pence (R) RF
    3. Buster Posey (R) C
    4. Michael Morse (R) LF
    5. Pablo Sandoval (S) 3B
    6. Brandon Belt (L) 1B
    7. Joaquin Arias (R) 2B
    8. Ehire Adrianza (S) SS
    9. Madison Bumgarner (R) P

  21. DJLoo said, on April 22, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    I’d throw Ehire in the 2 hole just for a goof. Make him feel important.

    • Chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 2:43 pm

      And bat Bum clean-up…

      • zumiee said, on April 22, 2014 at 3:23 pm

        I’m not into 2b being a 3-headed monster. Hicks’ batting average is low, but his OBP is .400.
        Holy SABR, Batman, let the guy have a bunch of starts in a row. His defense has been very good since a shaky start. Arias and Adrianza in the same lineup just sucks.

      • Chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 3:46 pm

        I agree that I am not crazy about have Ehire and Arias in the line-up together, but they both do need to get a start here and there…just not at the same time.

  22. zumiee said, on April 22, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    Dirt, thanks for the look at the cool photos. I’m always fascinated by the early years of baseball.

  23. zumiee said, on April 22, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    Cheeseball job of reporting the other day on one of the ESPN channels; they were doing a story about Jordan’s record-setting scoring performance against the Celtics in a playoff game, and they never once mentioned that THE CELTICS WON THE GAME. The Celtics’ strategy had worked beautifully. Play Jordan one on one, and shut down his teammates. Jordan scored 60-something points, but the Celtics won the game. (That strategy wouldn’t work a few years later when Jordan had a better supporting cast.)

  24. James said, on April 22, 2014 at 5:01 pm

    We can’t win with this stuff:

    Vogelsong 7.71 ERA
    Lincecum 6.43 ERA

    Between these two and the 3 Ps, which group do you think is more likely to perform poorly for the entire season?

  25. sansabes said, on April 22, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    No one is talking about Bum, who has been mighty shaky of late. He was tabbed as a Cy contender coming out of ST, but teams are hitting .326 against him. His whip is 1.78. Say important game for him tonight.

  26. James said, on April 22, 2014 at 6:11 pm

    Why Adrianza is on the roster and Abreu– who had a good 2013 — is in the minors is a mystery. Actually, it’s just fucking stupid.

    May Ehire deliver the game winner.

    • WilcoJoe said, on April 22, 2014 at 6:19 pm

      I said the same two weeks ago.

      • James said, on April 22, 2014 at 6:33 pm

        Missed it, Wilco. I was kinda expecting him to be the fallback for Scutaro and was dismayed to see he didn’t make the team. Admittedly, I didn’t pay much attention to spring training.

      • WilcoJoe said, on April 22, 2014 at 6:44 pm

        Adrianza is not a major league hitter. Not now, not ever.

  27. pawliekokonuts said, on April 22, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    Thanks, Macdog, for alerting me to the free MLB.tv game, SF-CO. Of course, I cursed our boys. As soon as I tune in, Tulo homers. Sure nice to hear Kruk&Kuip.

  28. pawliekokonuts said, on April 22, 2014 at 6:54 pm

    phuckme, Belt

  29. Flavor said, on April 22, 2014 at 6:54 pm

    Haven’t seen that since Little League

  30. pawliekokonuts said, on April 22, 2014 at 6:55 pm

    I heart the POTD. Not an Earth Day fan. Feel-good cleanups. What about the other 364 days of the year? I loathe litter.

  31. pawliekokonuts said, on April 22, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    I tell ya, HD gives amazing quality. Easy to take for granted. But wow.

  32. pawliekokonuts said, on April 22, 2014 at 7:01 pm

    Richard Nixon was sitting in back of the dude eating.

  33. WilcoJoe said, on April 22, 2014 at 7:03 pm

    Finally!

  34. Alleykat said, on April 22, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    Snots is dealing, but as usual are offense is squealing…

  35. Alleykat said, on April 22, 2014 at 7:31 pm

    Gee can’t wait for this productive inning of Arias, Adrianza , and Snots!
    My money’s on Bum for a hit!

    • WilcoJoe said, on April 22, 2014 at 7:38 pm

      So sad, yet so true.

  36. Flavor said, on April 22, 2014 at 7:36 pm

    I don’t know much but when I hear Krukow talk about “good at bats” I am certain my team is not hitting the ball and scoring runs

    • Alleykat said, on April 22, 2014 at 7:38 pm

      So true Flavor!

  37. Alleykat said, on April 22, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    Thank you very much Bumgarner you made my prediction come true😄

  38. Alleykat said, on April 22, 2014 at 7:42 pm

    Atleast we have the Sharks, up 2games to zero ,and leading 1-0 tonight,Go Sharks!!!!

  39. chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    Fuck…these guys have to score more than one damned run…time for a rally, dammit!

  40. chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 7:53 pm

    Time for Morse to run into one…

  41. pawliekokonuts said, on April 22, 2014 at 7:55 pm

    Morse looks 7 foot 3.

  42. chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 7:57 pm

    Un Fucking Real…

    • pawliekokonuts said, on April 22, 2014 at 7:59 pm

      How do you spell “impotent”? G-I-A-N-T-S-H-I-T-T-E-R-S

      • James said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:01 pm

        If only they had the runs.

  43. WilcoJoe said, on April 22, 2014 at 7:58 pm

    I think Panda could afford to gain about 40 pounds.

  44. chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    Fuck Tulowitski…cannot stand that jackass…

  45. chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    I know he is from NorCal, but have read quotes from him on a number of occasions where he was talking shit about the Giants…

  46. snarkk said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:06 pm

    Maybe the Giants can draft some Sharks players, they can score…

  47. chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    The Rox mascot is about the stupidest damned thing I have ever seen….

    • DJLoo said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:15 pm

      He is an annoying cocksucker.

  48. snarkk said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    LaTroi Hawkins? Seriously? I thought this dude retired 6 or 7 years ago. Sometimes Flemm goes a little overboard — Hawkins has had a “long and distinguished career”…

  49. chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    Time to send his long and distinguished ass to the showers…

  50. chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:22 pm

    Fuck Sanchez…sucking on the high heat…

  51. chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:24 pm

    That shit is SO FUCKING WEAK…

  52. pawliekokonuts said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:24 pm

    ugh.

  53. chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:24 pm

    I need a drink…hoping Cain can salvage at least one from this POS series.

  54. chipower9 said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:25 pm

    Night Flappers. Get ‘em tomorrow…time to check out the Tiburones…

  55. pawliekokonuts said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:25 pm

    G’night, girls. (TedSpe, come back. Twin, good to see you here the other day.)

  56. Flavor said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:26 pm

    Just fucking pathetic. I’m disgusted with these horrible spaghetti bats.

  57. snarkk said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:28 pm

    As I said earlier, the Giants don’t need a stopper as the announcers say. They got that tonight — you give up 2 runs at Coors, that’s very good pitching, equal to a shutout somewhere else. They need bopper(s). Bochy should do something radical to see if he can stop this teamwide slump bullshit. I’m tired of seeing this weak offensive shit year after year. Since Bonds left, the Giants offense has just been weakass. Whether it’s the park, the players or a combination — it is beyond tired…

    • DJLoo said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:35 pm

      Yeah, those 2 championships were real yawners…

      • pawliekokonuts said, on April 22, 2014 at 9:24 pm

        I believe the facts are that our offense was surprisingly good in 2010 and 2012. And we are certainly early in the season.

      • snarkk said, on April 22, 2014 at 9:32 pm

        Love the championships, hate the bad offense…

      • DJLoo said, on April 23, 2014 at 5:02 am

        I knew where you were coming from, Snarkkie. But with all the recent success, it just might take a few years for me to be able to get really twisted about them again.

  58. James said, on April 22, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    I’m grateful that tomorrow’s game is during work hours.

  59. snarkk said, on April 22, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    Runs scored history: Giants rank in the NL

    2000 3rd 925
    2001 5th 799
    2002 3rd 783
    2003 6th 755
    2004 2nd 850

    2005 15th 649
    2006 10th 746
    2007 15th 683
    2008 15th 640
    2009 13th 657
    2010 9th 697
    2011 16th 570
    2012 6th 718
    2013 10th 629

    In the period 2005-2013 the Gyros are averaging 665 runs per season, or 4.1 rpg…

  60. paulinasia said, on April 22, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    Bochy likes to keep his lineups stable. Very slow to make changes. But it’s time. Put Pablo in the 8th spot until he starts hitting. The 8th hitter often doesn’t see great pitches to hit, which suits him anyway. And I agree about Adrianza and Arias not being in the lineup at the same time. Dusty Baker used to do that a lot, rest a few regulars in the same game, almost giving that game away. Makes no sense. At least Pence seems to be heating up a bit….

  61. paulinasia said, on April 22, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    Oh, and James, your 8:01 was pretty funny…. “if only the (GIANTSHITTERS) had the runs… :-)

    • James said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:53 pm

      I’m back to normal below, Paul :-)

  62. Macdog said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:01 pm

    I seem to recall a similar stretch of futility at Coors last year. Sure enough, there were two such instances: 2 and 0 runs in mid-May, and 1 and 1 runs in late June that capped a six-game losing streak. Either way, it’s still painful to watch.

  63. Alleykat said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    Well their’s 1 team that knows how to win on the road, Oh yeah that would be the San Jose Sharks!!! 4-3 in OT Baby!!
    Up 3-0 now, put a fork in the Kings their done…
    Lets see, Sharks 17 scores in 3 games
    Giants 3 scores in last 2 zzzzz

  64. James said, on April 22, 2014 at 10:52 pm

    Atlanta loses 1-0 tonight. They’ve scored 76 runs and have a 13-7 record. Milwaukee has scored 86 runs and their record is 15-6. The Dodgers have scored 83 runs and are 12-9.

    I hope someone else finds that up lifting.

  65. Nipper said, on April 23, 2014 at 2:29 am

    Yawn…….

  66. Bozo said, on April 23, 2014 at 3:49 am

    SFGiants: Bumgarner the 2nd pitcher to throw a CG at Coors, allow two or fewer runs, and lose (Jason Jennings, 2006).


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