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Fortunate Split

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on May 18, 2014

Considering how the Marlins have treated us behind the AT&T woodshed over the last couple of years, I feel fortunate to get out of this series with a split. No Belt, no Huddy, no Pagan (today)….all in all, a solid split.

Voggy threw a lot of off speed stuff today but he was throwing 91mph FB’s in the first inning and 90 mph FB’s in the 7th.He’s got a 3.62 ERA. I think everyone will take this considering most of the fan base considered him “done” last year and into the early part of this year.

And speaking of *done*, The Panda hit a bomb today and with an additional hit has catapulted his batting average to .220. If I’m Sabean and he keeps this up I break the silence and offer him 3 years/20 million. He’ll decline it but he’d probably at least think about it…..

That’s 17 games in a row and time for a day off. Coors Field awaits. I really like that the team is traveling there tonight instead of using tomorrow as a travel day. Besides the day off, it gives them a full day to acclimate. That’s important.

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  1. zumiee said, on May 18, 2014 at 5:56 pm

    The Giants hitters will be diggin’ a chance to hit in Coors Field again. Should be some wild games. Hopefully Pagan bounces back quickly. Sandoval’s heating up at a nice time to join in on the Rockey Mountain slug-fests. The Giants have the firepower to hang with these guys.

  2. paulinasia said, on May 18, 2014 at 6:20 pm

    This will be perhaps the first real key “moment” for this team, this season: the results of Pagan’s MRI. He’s just so important. On the flip side, this team is better than last year’s and would be better able to handle Pagan being out for a bit. But only for a bit.

    • Flavor said, on May 18, 2014 at 6:22 pm

      you’re right, he’s as important as they come. Sprained AC joint, he’ll live. And now we can exhale.

    • paulinasia said, on May 18, 2014 at 6:31 pm

      Ah, I didn’t see that, thanks, I guess that is good news, although I have no idea what an AC joint is… :-)

  3. James said, on May 18, 2014 at 6:44 pm

    I just looked up Angel Pagan’s monthly splits over the last few years. He has been, in fact, the kind of player who Blade claims Tyler Colvin is, namely someone who plays very hot and cold — he regularly “disappears” for a month or two at a time, which is why his lifetime OPS is 759.

    To be clear, I like Pagan, and I really don’t care whether a player is more or less streaky. It’s totally irrelevant for Pagan or Blanco etc. All that matters for individual stats are the totals at the end of the year.

    Pagan is underrated nationally, but he is turning into a bit of an overhyped myth locally.

    • snarkk said, on May 18, 2014 at 7:31 pm

      Totally disagree that it doesn’t matter if a player disappears for a month at a time. A black hole in the lineup for a streaky month and then a hotter than hell guy for a month doesn’t change the overall season stats compared to a consistent hitting record, but it totally screws up a lineup for the month of disappearance. So, when the team is out of the stretch run, the month of streaky white hot hitting is irrelevant to team season success…

      • willedav said, on May 18, 2014 at 8:24 pm

        well, when guys get hot they can carry the team. Pagan was in top 10 in hitting and his OB was .380, and he was a force at top of LU. Highly unlikely he maintains that, just like Morse. He had a stretch start of May where he was hitting .179 and went 2-28. Pence didn’t get off to good start either but team still won.
        If I remember right, even 2012 Pagan had bad month too, either May or June, before he got rolling and finished strong like Belt Crawford and others. Streaks happen to most everyone and players want to play their way through them…like Pablo.

  4. stickman said, on May 18, 2014 at 6:56 pm

    Some good points again, Flav. This series could have been the flipside of the trip to Toronto last season followed by the hard times at the Box of Rox. Yes, this is a better team than last year’s. Had a feeling after the bullies blew game two that we would end up with a split but couldn’t figure whether we would get the gem from Timmy or from Vogie. One thing that seems to be developing is that if one of them doesn’t throw a particularly good game the other usually comes through. That’s huge. One poor, iffy or so-so start out of five is livable, but two can lead to slumptication.

    Really nice to see the offense stringing hits together with two outs and even better, perhaps, to get that long-ball from Panda. If he heats up to the potential he has shown so far in his career, he could carry the team for a bunch of while. Zumiee makes a point i noted the other day, that this team is quite capable of going mano a mano at the Box of Rox vs their bashers. One point in our favor is that we face them with Bumgarner, Cain and most probably, Huddy. If our vintage Terraplane is on his game the Rox will be slapping the horsehide into the dirt rather than skying it into that light mile-high air.

  5. willedav said, on May 18, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    Sandoval hit a couple balls hard to LCF the other day, and now a bomb that way. Good sign. Who would have believed Vogs would have best outing of entire rotation last go round.
    Colvin loved hitting at Coors, where he had over 1.000 OPS in 2012, and that was without the benefit of going against rox pitching staff. At sea level he was more pedestrian .690, so we’ll see. He still looks like puro hacker, and his bat and breaking balls don’t make much connection.

    Marlins are gonna be tough; they are fun to watch and I hope don’t wilt as season progresses, and give WAS and ATL some grief. Stanton alone is worth price of admission.
    Meanwhile, AZ got some more revenge on LA today and actually won home series. I can’t stand LaRussa either, but it will be interesting to see what happens and who survives.

  6. DJLoo said, on May 18, 2014 at 8:15 pm

    What’s the big rush to get to Colorado? They probably hate it there. I would’ve let the team vote
    on when they wanted to leave.

  7. DJLoo said, on May 18, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    They opened a 9/11 museum in NY this week. It actually has a fuckin’ souvenir gift shop.
    That’s about as low as you can get.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 18, 2014 at 8:41 pm

      Sadly, not surprising.

      • Flavor said, on May 18, 2014 at 8:56 pm

        “Food porn”…still living off the high of that…

      • chipower9 said, on May 18, 2014 at 10:50 pm

        And some damned fine looking food porn it was…I know what I am cooking next weekend.

    • twinfan1 said, on May 18, 2014 at 9:35 pm

      The Memorial dedication was very moving, however. At least I thought so. Many speeches – Obama, survivors, loved ones of those who perished, first responders..even the politicians were properly brief and seemed genuinely moved. I cried, as did many there.

  8. paulinasia said, on May 18, 2014 at 8:54 pm

    Snarkk, completely agree with your 7:31pm post. It DOES matter if a player (and, even worse, more than one at a time) disappears for a month or two at a time. That’s what happened last year; June and July, nobody was hitting and that’s when the team fell out of contention because they scored something like almost 90 fewer runs in those two months than in April/May. It didn’t matter what they did the rest of the way (and they actually played pretty well in Aug/Sept.) and it didn’t matter what their total year-end stats said about the offense. They lost the season in June/July because of no offense by a few key hitters who disappeared. That’s just a fact. I know James disagrees with this, but it’s just a fact.

  9. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 18, 2014 at 9:01 pm

    Still not sure what I think of Pav over at the Merc but his post game wrap is pretty good tonight. Casilla was big man with the Stanton put out.

    • chipower9 said, on May 18, 2014 at 10:52 pm

      He had to work his ass off that inning…a bit more so than you want to see. But the end result was good. Torture Part 2…

  10. Macdog said, on May 18, 2014 at 9:23 pm

    I came across this story on John Burkett and his bowling career: http://tinyurl.com/mxfxjqg

  11. twinfan1 said, on May 18, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    I checked out some good and bad months for regulars in 2013. I only counted months when the player played full time. I didn’t count Pagan or Torres because for different reasons, neither really played enough for me to list them. The point of this is to show that everybody has at least very good month and at least one bad one. At least on this team, everybody took at least a one month vacation. So here’s the best month and the worst by Batting Average. If you want to see more of this, Baseball Reference has the splits.

    Posey.374 . 223
    Belt .350 .225
    Crawford .295 .148
    Pablo .333 .194
    Pence .330 .242
    Blanco .373 .169
    Scutaro .420 .229

    • willedav said, on May 18, 2014 at 9:42 pm

      So when one of your regs is having a bad month, as they all will do, then you mostly have to just suffer the consequences and live with it. Pence over his last 28 games is hitting like .380 with an OPS of over .900. He started 13 for his first 72 ABs, 1 HR 4 doubles. That’s a lot of IF dribblers, but whether he creates a *black hole in the LU* or not Bochy left him in, and is now reaping the rewards.

      F-G had a column about bad months/streaks in good seasons, and one of the commenters showed stats on Frank Robinson in I think 1962. His first month he had an OPS in the .600s…every single one after that was over 1.000. It happens even to the best of them.

  12. snarkk said, on May 18, 2014 at 10:26 pm

    I counted Voggy out last year, but I was realistic this season — as I remember I said the fish/cut bait date on him should be mid May or thereabouts. It’s now just mid-May, and he’s proven with 5 straight good starts that he deserves some fishing now..

  13. chipower9 said, on May 18, 2014 at 11:03 pm

    Good thread, Craig. The way the Fish have owned us of late, I am happy as hell with a split. I think it was WillieD who mentioned Miami being fun to watch, and I agree. They have some power, and some decent looking pitching.

    Vogey must have loaded-up on those chicken enchiladas. I’ll be honest, there was a big part of me that thought Vogs was done three or so starts into the season. I’ll take his numbers this year, and hope like hell we get something similar from Timmy. Good news on Pagan….only a sprained joint. Bochy said he was hopeful he’d be ready Tuesday night.

    Great to see Pablo coming around, and flashing that opposite-field power. Flav – 3 years at 21 mil to Pablo I believe would come off as a slap in the face. Regardless, it will be interesting to see how the whole Pablo thing pans.

    I haven’t heard much, but hoping Hudson is ready for his next turn.

  14. chipower9 said, on May 18, 2014 at 11:08 pm

    Cannot recall who shared it on the past thread, but interesting news about Sacramento becoming the AAA affiliate. That would be bad ass. I’m in that yard withing 30 minutes from work, and then just under an hour home after the game. Warm summer night with an ice cold beer…Sacto is an awesome place to watch baseball.

    • snarkk said, on May 18, 2014 at 11:41 pm

      I got it started with a link, Chi. River Cats changing to Giants would be a big “in your face” by Baer to the A’s…

    • Flavor said, on May 19, 2014 at 5:51 am

      it’s an interesting message to send to the A’s– “You are not allowed to move to San Jose AND we’re taking your home in Sacramento and you have to move to Fresno”
      kind of a bully move if you ask me, but I’ve got no love lost for the A’s

  15. blade3colorado said, on May 19, 2014 at 6:26 am

    Unrelated to anything here, but I am flabbergasted by the pitching decisions made by the coaching/management staff of the Washington Nationals. Specifically, Gio Gonzales has an inflamed shoulder and he is on the DL. He’s fortunate, as the southpaw has been cleared of any structural damage and has been prescribed rest. However, how does this crap keep happening to the National’s pitching staff? It seems like all their star pitchers have been mishandled and are on the DL constantly.

    • salty said, on May 19, 2014 at 8:37 am

      I dunno blade. Weren’t the Nat’s ripped for being overly careful with Strasburg?

      Speaking of A’s, they seem to have their share of injuries to young pitchers.

      Just to be clear, Giants aren’t making a push for Sacto. River Cat owners appear to be the ones looking to increase leverage with A’s. Any idea what giants lease is with Grizz?

      • snarkk said, on May 19, 2014 at 8:41 am

        Don’t know what it is, the Giants arrangement with the Grizz ends after this season. Timing is auspicious…

      • blade3colorado said, on May 19, 2014 at 9:26 am

        Good point.

  16. James said, on May 19, 2014 at 8:33 am

    Paul, I’m again comforted knowing that the act of repeating an argument doesn’t make it any less true :-).

    Last year, had the Giants continued the offensive pace they set in April and May, they would have scored about 730 runs. In 2013, the average number of runs scored per NL team was 650. All of those other teams play in ballparks that were more conducive to scoring than ATT, several of them far more so. The pitching staff gave up a preposterous 691 runs. Those are facts.

    Maybe Cainer, Vogey, Zito, and Timmy would have eventually been “inspired” to pitch like the other playoff team rotations — none of those teams gave up more than 596 runs for the season — if only the offense had kept up something like its heady early season pace. A whole alternative universe of possibilities could have opened up, all those mound prayers mingling with the Great White Hunter and Panda spirits in the dugout to counter the effects of declining fastball velocities and command problems. That’s an improbability.

    Here are some more facts:

    Last year, after 45 games the Giants had scored 210 and given up . . . 207. They were fortunate to be a little over 500 when they would have had 30 wins with any sort of decent pitching. That runs scored/ runs allowed thing really does tell you about what’s working and what isn’t, and it usually correlates well to wins and losses over a season. The pitching was below average to terrible all year long — they sucked as badly as the offense in June, July, and August — excepting only September, when it was ok. There simply was no period when they were “out of synch,” not hitting well, but pitching as expected:

    Month by Month
    Split W L RS RA WP
    Apri 15 12 115 111 .556
    May 14 13 128 134 .519
    Jun 10 17 90 109 .370
    Jul 8 17 78 116 .320
    Aug 13 16 97 125 .448
    Sep 16 11 121 96 .593

    But let’s assume they had scored a respectable 4 runs a game in the lean months of June, July and August. That would have brought their runs scored total up to 679. That’s still a sub 500 team. If they had scored 700 runs — 50 over the league average — that’s a 500 team. See paragraph above about specious nonsense that the pitching might have been better if only . . . .

    This year, through 45 games, they’ve scored 188 and have given up 161 — on pace to allow about 580 runs, or about how the playoff teams performed last year (In fact, both the Pirates and Dodgers, teams that also play in ballparks that favor pitchers over hitters, made the playoffs despite offenses that were no better than the Giants’. If the Giants had given up 570-580 runs last year, they would have contended for the playoffs with the exact same offense, “cratering” months and all.) Note that league wide scoring is the same this year as in 2013, again emphasizing how inflated last year’s early 210/207 runs scored/allowed numbers were, much to the credit of the 2013 offense and disgrace of the pitching.

    The 2014 offense is currently on pace to score about 700 runs. Matched with last year’s 691 runs allowed pitching performance, that still projects to a 500 team. Conversely, so far this year’s pitching matched with last year’s offense projects to an 89 win team.

    I like facts. It is not a fact that I’m wrong in this argument.

    • sandy said, on May 19, 2014 at 8:56 am

      It is a also a fact that you can be a tiresome bore on the subj. IMo.

    • blade3colorado said, on May 19, 2014 at 9:18 am

      In my opinion, you could be just as WRONG as Paul. There are never any absolutes or please explain why you use the word, “usually” in your so-called fact based posts? If you are so certain of your “facts,” then use the word, “will” result in (fill in the blank). I’ve seen you equivocate with “should” as well. Sort of like a clause, eh? Hey James, I am not saying what you outlined above wont occur. However, the way you speak to people in a condescending way, just rubs me the “wrong” way. I say this as a friend . . . :-)

      Besides, if statistics and odds were facts, then everyone would be in Las Vegas every spring betting on the eventual World Series champion and the casinos would go broke. In short, Paul’s guess is just as good as yours James.

    • James said, on May 19, 2014 at 11:50 am

      Hey, sorry, guys, but I didn’t bring it up again: “That’s just a fact. I know James disagrees with this, but it’s just a fact.” When someone tells me I’m flat out wrong about something that I’ve spent some time arguing for, I generally feel compelled to respond. Blade, I appreciate the note about the tone of my post.

      • blade3colorado said, on May 19, 2014 at 1:27 pm

        De nada James . . . :-)

  17. Nipper said, on May 19, 2014 at 8:34 am

    I wonder if the A’s eventually move into ATT after all the efforts to get out of Oakland. San Jose isn’t going to happen.

  18. willedav said, on May 19, 2014 at 8:55 am

    Big day for offense in mlb yesterday, 150 runs scored and 40 HRs hit.
    Zack Wheeler, btw, is now 1-4 with an ERA of 4.53 after losing to Nats yesterday. Hard to believe Vogs has more Ws and an ERA almost a full run lower.
    Sherps win in extras vs. SD after blowing 2 run lead in 8th. They were credited with a around the horn triple play after Pads baserunner going into 2b slid way out and tried to grab the guy making the throw to 1b. Batter was safe but umps gave them the extra out for TP. They are 5 games over .500 and sport second best home record in NL at 15-6. See if SF can put a dent in that and pad 14-9 road record.

    • zumiee said, on May 19, 2014 at 9:36 am

      We’ll never know, but maybe the Mets rushed Wheeler to the bigs too soon. This coming after Harvey blew up. The Mets aren’t having a great track record of handling their young phenoms. How much can you blame the ballclubs in these situations? It’s not easy to say.

  19. zumiee said, on May 19, 2014 at 9:39 am

    Roger Craig seemed to have a lot of injuries on his pitching staffs with the Giants, perhaps related to having so many pitchers throw the split-finger so much. The split-finger puts obvious stress on the elbow.

  20. blade3colorado said, on May 19, 2014 at 9:40 am

    I’m not looking forward to the Giants going to Mt. Sherpa . . . The mountain climbers are tough at home, so the Giants will have their work cut out for them. The “fair weather” fans in Colorado – who comprise the majority of all fans in Colorado – are putting a lot of stock in this series. Conversely, the “real” fans who understand baseball, recognize that the Rocks have to win on the road, particularly against West coast teams, if they are to have a chance in this race. They understand the difficulty of playing baseball at altitude and respect the Giants. I’ve set my expectations low for this 3 game set, hoping the Giants can at least win one of the games. If the Giants win 2 of 3 in Denver, I will be impressed and ecstatic if they sweep.

    • snarkk said, on May 19, 2014 at 10:52 am

      I’ll go with the tried and truest — Giants pitchers need to keep the ball down… ;)

  21. blade3colorado said, on May 19, 2014 at 11:16 am

    Rocks will get reinforcements during this series. Likely Rosario will be back and possibly, Cuddyer as well.

  22. unca_chuck said, on May 19, 2014 at 11:36 am

    For all the heat the Giants training staff gets, their record handling their pitching staff is really outstanding. Bochy manages a pen better than anyone, and the pitchers, when not handling knives or getting waylaid by their children, rarely hit the DL with debilitating arm injuries.

    Is it luck? It certainly ain’t the kinds of guys they draft. Plenty of teams were scared off by Timmy. For all his pitching woes, hitting the DL isn’t one of them. Then again, Bummie and Matty certainly fall into the big strong mechanically sound types. But all the others are various shades of sidearmers (Affeldt, Lopez), fireballers (Casilla, Guttierez), bulldogs (Huddy, Bogie, Machi), little junkballers (Romo) and the like. They’ve all stayed healthy. Maybe it’s the threat of actually hitting the DL and facing their doctors that keeps them strong . . .

  23. unca_chuck said, on May 19, 2014 at 11:44 am

    James, this is where you and I diverge wildly. Posey’s numbers last year were fine for a decent catcher. As an MVP, they are bleeeh. But you look at his season after June, and he absolutety cratered. He didn’t do diddly squat for 3.5 months. Pence has a similar middle of the season. In July and Aug Pence’s numbers were awful. His outlandish September brought his numbers WAY up.

    Like someone said before, ALL the GIants hitters were flat in June/July/Aug. Except for maybe Belt later. They fell out of contention because they stopped scoring.

    I know no one hits their mean (fuck the mean) all year. But when a couple guys disappear for more than a couple weeks, it makes for a tough row to hoe. I don’t profess to know what happened last year (WS hangover, complacency, Pagan’s injury, etc.) but their falling out of the race had a lot to do with most of the lineup going cold for June/July/Aug.

    • James said, on May 19, 2014 at 12:34 pm

      The Giants pitching was also bad over those same months, and they were horrible in April and May, too, when the offense was excellent — why focus on the hitters? Why not ask “Hey, the pitchers were awful in April and May, why didn’t they pick it up to get back to their ‘mean’ by the end of the year?”

      • unca_chuck said, on May 19, 2014 at 1:00 pm

        Yes, pitchers go through slumps as well, but you can’t win if you don’t score.

      • unca_chuck said, on May 19, 2014 at 1:06 pm

        It’s like I’ve said more than once. You win a game 6-0 and lose the next three 1-0, who’s to blame? The pitching? No.

        Project that out, and you have a good hitting team and one that pitches well enough, yet they lose 3 out of 4.

        Sure, this is a simplistic view of things, but it points out that a team that hits well in bunches can lose if they go cold together as well.

      • James said, on May 19, 2014 at 5:19 pm

        Chuck, actually you can win, even when your offense goes south for 2 months of the season. In May/June/July, the Pirates staff gave up 76/89/81 runs. If the Giants staff had performed that well those 3 months, the team would have had a very different record going into August:

        Month by Month
        Split W L RS RA
        Apri 15 12 115 111
        May 14 13 128 134 (76)
        Jun 10 17 90 109 ( 89)
        Jul 8 17 78 116 (81)
        Aug 13 16 97 125
        Sep 16 11 121 96

        It actually doesn’t matter which months you choose to “improve” the pitching numbers with the Pirates’ stats. The effect of 3 months of good pitching would still have been to put the Giants into contention.

    • zumiee said, on May 19, 2014 at 12:18 pm

      What a messed up situation for Dodger fans. The Dodger fans get reminded again of the fans’ place on the totem pole of sports. The fans are at the bottom of the totem pole, getting peed on by passing dogs.

      And I’m not thrilled to hear that AT&T is buying DirectTV. I can’t wait to hear how AT&T will be making changes to DirectTV to benefit…..ME, the consumer. Oh yeah, whenever a company starts talking about how they are making changes for MY benefit, my B.S.-detector starts flashing a red light.

    • gianthead said, on May 19, 2014 at 12:49 pm

      Peter Guber is a part owner of the Dodgers??? Fuck him. Force his divestiture now from the Warriors!!!

  24. zumiee said, on May 19, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    Looking at the boxscore of yesterday’s Rockies game, those Rockies batting averages look like the mid-1970s Big Red Machine. In fact, those batting averages look BETTER than that Big Red Machine. I’m with Blade, the Giants getting at least one win this series is acceptable. I don’t fear the Rockies in the longterm, so just get at least a win there this week and get out of there.

  25. gianthead said, on May 19, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    Ahhh Zumiee, what exactly dont you believe this wont be better for you with AT&T’s proposed acqusition of Directv????

  26. gianthead said, on May 19, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    Did I mention that I help respresent AT&T before Capitol Hill???? :)

    But joking aside, I am an AT&T wireless customer and a Directv cutomer. We are moving to a rural part of Virginia next month and will not have broadband. If AT&T can invest and build out a better broadband presence for rural customers than what is availabel now, it will be a big plus for me as a consumer and hopefully for other rual customers. Also getting everything on one bill will also be a big plus. Need any more propaganda, I mean facts???

  27. Irish Kevin said, on May 19, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    When I look at the Rockies, I always look at their home record vs their away record. If you look at the Giants vs the Rockies that way. The Giants are a more balanced team. Sure the Rockies are great at home. Their home record over the years have been mostly outstanding. But their road record is not so great. Even if the Giants only win 1 here, more than likely the Giants beat them at ATT. So….GO GIANTS

  28. gianthead said, on May 19, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    Of course forgot to actually comment on the Panda part of the blog. I think a $20 mill offer for 3 years would be a legit slap in the face. He is making $8.25 this year, so you would be asking him for a pay cut. Why piss the guy off? He has been a good Giant, young and naive in many ways, as well as personally lazy with his diet, but also someone who hit 3 frickin homers in a Game 1 of a World Series against an opposing team’s ace.

    Putting something on the table maybe more at 4 years $48 million (do we know what was on the table before?) if it is not lower than what they had already offered I think with where he is right now would not be a similar slap in his face and still gives him the kind of financial security any normal human would be thrilled with. He seems to have a little weight back, but I am one of the few who argues that a big Panda is just who he is and maybe that is how he will be more productive…put in a layer of bonuses (not weight related if that is even allowable under the collective bargaining agreement) that could add in $3 mill plus a year for achievable results, i.e. .300 BA while he plays 150 games a year gets you an extra $1.5 mill, $.290 a mill, .280 half a mill, etc. Have home run, rbi, fielding and other incentives to make up the remainign $1.5. Not unreasonable in my mind. Add a fifth year if he hits most of his targets over the first 4 years. That could get back to the 5 year $75 mill value I thought he should and deserved to get.

    • zumiee said, on May 19, 2014 at 2:22 pm

      Some good suggestions there. They need to get it done at some point. The Giants and the Panda, in the long run, are a nice fit for each other. He doesn’t seem to get tripped out by the home ballpark stealing some HRs from him.

  29. snarkk said, on May 19, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    Home WHIP Giants vs. Rox is 1.09 vs. 1.39
    Away WHIP Giants vs. Rox is 1.28 vs. 1.27
    Total WHIP Giants vs. Rox is 1.18 vs. 1.33
    BPen WHIP Giants vs. Rox is 1.00 (1st MLB) vs. 1.30 (9th NL)
    Total ERA Giants vs. Rox is 3.21 vs. 4.09
    Total ERA+ Giants vs. Rox is 104 vs. 105 (surprising to me)
    So, far pitching goes to Giants, but not by a mile. Pen makes the difference.
    But, I’ve heard the Rox have one or two pitching studs in AA ready to come up soon. Blade?…

  30. snarkk said, on May 19, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    SF Pen has best WHIP in baseball. Doghairs’ Pen is 14th in NL…

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/split/128/league/nl/sort/WHIP/type/expanded-2/order/false

  31. zumiee said, on May 19, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    “Ahhh Zumiee, what exactly dont you believe this wont be better for you with AT&T’s proposed acqusition of Directv????”

    The “better for me” is what I react to, I guess. What if I’m perfectly happy with my DirectTV service? (Well, not “perfectly,” I guess, because I am peeved that the Warrior games on Comcast are blacked out of my basic DirectTV package. Yeah, I’m more of a Kings fan than a Warriors fan, but still, that’s kind of a rip having the Warrior games blacked out.)
    I’m a rural resident, too, who is perfectly happy using a laptop for the internet, but I can’t wait for the AT&T/DIrectTV non-stop marketing blitz to try to get me to add satellite internet, to add to the already ton of AT&T advertising mailers I get every year from AT&T. Hey, add a few hundred telemarketer calls a year, too. And, oh yeah, just change things so the OLD DISH DOESN’T WORK ANYMORE and you HAVE to get the new dish, that oh by the way, has interent access, too, for only a “small” extra fee, blah, blah, blah. We’ve all been down that road before. Here’s your NEW COKE, enjoy!

    • zumiee said, on May 19, 2014 at 2:24 pm

      OK, that came out sounding kind of angry. I need some perspective. :) That’s definitely a “first-world” problem.

    • snarkk said, on May 19, 2014 at 2:51 pm

      Reduction of the number of service or product providers in any field is never good, in the long run, for the consumer. Never. The reverse is good for the consumer. Would any of you want to go back to 1970 market when the only beers generally available were Bud, Miller and Coors (not east of the Rockies), and Fritz Maytag had JUST the year before taken over Anchor Brewing? (Yes, you can argue there were regionals — Oly, Pabst, Hamms, Yuengling, Linenkugel, Rolling Rock, etc. but they were pretty much just decent to garbage and had probably < 5% of the total US market). Now, you go to a brew pub and there are 30 really good to excellent craft beers on tap to choose from — IPAs, stouts, double IPAs, steams, seasonals, etc., and all of them leagues better than those 1970 big three. And, even more to choose from at your local BevMo…

      http://www.brewersassociation.org/pages/business-tools/craft-brewing-statistics/beer-sales

      http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/101/history_american_beer/

  32. zumiee said, on May 19, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    Reading the Flap, sometimes I find both sides of an argument persuasive. It’s interesting. Y’all state your cases so well, I get like this:

  33. unca_chuck said, on May 19, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    Shit, I’d go around 5/70. Split the diff IOW. Don’t lowball him but don’t throw the moon at him either.

  34. DJLoo said, on May 19, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    Even if Panda goes 15/65/.260 someone will still give him 5 years @ $100 million. That’s just how it is out there now.

    • unca_chuck said, on May 19, 2014 at 2:50 pm

      Well, that;’s why they try this now. He’s in a situation like Kaepernick. Try to get him now while he’s under contract, or lose him to a bigger spender.

    • blade3colorado said, on May 19, 2014 at 3:47 pm

      Good thing we have Colvin as a back up plan, eh?

      lqtm

  35. snarkk said, on May 19, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    Last 7 days:

    Colvin: BA .381, OBP .409
    Pence: BA .387, OBP .387
    Panda: BA .370, OBP .370.

  36. blade3colorado said, on May 19, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    Snarkk, in regard to your 1:35pm question . . .

    The dirty little secret (not) in Colorado is that the Sherpas pitching staff is face planting as we speak. Oft-injured acquisition Brett Anderson is injured, and Tyler Chatwood, who was injured last year, is injured again. And De La Rosa isn’t feeling so good himself with a bad finger and a tight back. Jhoulys Chacin hasn’t been strong after his stint on the DL.

    Franklin Morales and Juan Nicasio are starters in name only and belong in the bullpen. Lyles and De La Rosa are holding up the staff with baling wire and duct tape (left over from Apollo 13). The two rookies you alluded to are Eddie Butler and Jon Gray. However, some dude named Daniel Winkler has been lights out in Tulsa and will get the call up before Gray in my opinion.

    Even though Butler and Gray are considered the Rockies’ best pitching prospects, Winkler has been the best of show at Tulsa with a 5-2 record and a 1.48 earned-run average. He’s a lowball, groundout pitcher, i.e., his stuff is conducive to Coors Launching Pad. Butler is 2-4 with a 2.98 ERA and was exceptional in his last start.

    • snarkk said, on May 19, 2014 at 4:07 pm

      Great report!…
      I wait with anticipation the predicted implosion of the Rocks staff…

      • snarkk said, on May 19, 2014 at 4:11 pm

        Hopefully before the Giants staff does… ;)

      • blade3colorado said, on May 19, 2014 at 4:27 pm

        Well, don’t hold your breath, as the Sherpas are a Murderer’s Row made up of .389 Tulo, .350 Corey Dickerson, .331 Blackmon, .325 Brandon Barnes, .325 Justin Morneau and .308 Nolan Arenado. Their reserves make ours look like little leaguers – Josh Rutledge .318, DJ LeMahieu .282 and Drew Stubbs .305. Then you have the struggling Carlos Gonzalez, at .263. and Michael Cuddyer, hitting .317.

        Woody Paige, the Denver Post Columnist said this, “This season is reminiscent of prehumidor 1996, when the Rockies had five guys and a burger in the batting order hitting above .300, and a shortstop named Walt Weiss at .282. The Rockies of then had a team batting average of .287 and crushed 221 home runs. The Rockies of now are on pace to end up with superior stats. They had gone deep purple 58 times before Saturday’s 44th game.”

        My point being that not all of these guys will be here at the trade deadline, i.e., they will be used as trade chips for starting/relief pitching. Unless, the Monfort brothers give the order to the GM not to spend any money to improve the club . . . It has happened before.

    • unca_chuck said, on May 19, 2014 at 4:42 pm

      It wasn’t too long ago that the Rivercats regularly outdrew the A’s.

      I think they’d draw even better as a Giants AAA team.

      If so, I woulda gone to a lot more games whan I was living up there . . .

  37. snarkk said, on May 19, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    Giants so far in 2014 (for NL):

    2nd in HRs
    4th in runs scored
    5th in SLG
    4th in OPS
    5th in fielding % (.985)
    3rd in assists
    3rd in double plays turned
    1st in most baserunners caught trying to steal
    3rd highest in allowing stolen bases

  38. snarkk said, on May 19, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    Looks like blade and I are heading to the SJ Giants game this Friday night at 7 pm.
    Hosting the Visalia Rawhide, the Cal League High “A” ball team affilate of the Dbacks. The estimable Dave Flemming, now of the SF Giants, broadcast for Visalia (then Oaks), and was their asst. GM in 2000, before heading later onto Orange and Black pastures.
    SJ Giants info is here: http://www.milb.com/index.jsp?sid=t476
    SJ Giants are in 4th place in the Cal League North division, 9 games out of first place at 20-25. The Rawhide is in 2nd place, just one game out of first place. Sounds like somebody needs to kick a little butt in the San Jose dugout.
    Anybody want to join us, let either one of us know — we’ll get it together…

    • blade3colorado said, on May 19, 2014 at 7:36 pm

      I didn’t know that stuff about Flemming. Interesting.

  39. paulinasia said, on May 19, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    By the way, James, I didn’t mean for my post last night to seem contentious. I never said you were wrong about anything, I just said you disagree with the facts. :-) Different facts for different folks, I guess.

  40. blade3colorado said, on May 19, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    Might as well end the San Antonio/Oklahoma series this evening . . . Thunder have no presence in the paint (only half as many points scored there as Spurs have); and, the turnovers are killing them – Spurs have scored at least 14 points on 15 or 16 turnovers.


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