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Bob Welch

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 10, 2014

I was saddened to hear about the passing of Bob Welch. I always like him and that’s surprising since he played his entire career for the Dodgers and A’s. The 27 games he won in 1990 is burned into my brain for some reason. It seemed like a lot then and it’s almost inconceivable in today’s game. And it came in his 13th major league season. He never really did anything after that magical Cy Young year. Four seasons of mediocrity with his career finally ending in 1994.

Cause of death wasn’t announced, that’s usually not a very good sign. Ha, I guess any “cause of death” isn’t a good sign.

Anyway, sad.

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  1. zumiee said, on June 10, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    I was at a Giant/Dodger game when Welch pitched a 6-0 shut-out against the Giants. It seemed like he was always tough on the Giants.
    He passed away way too young. Very sad news.
    —–
    Snarkk, regarding Pagan, the collision was in the play where Pagan went first to home on Pence’s double. The Mets catcher was blocking the plate with his shin-guard when Pagan slid across homeplate. This is precisely a question that was raised before the season: if the catcher blocks the plate with his shin-guard, what is the runner allowed to do? The rules seem to say that the runner can’t go all “Scott Cousins” on the catcher if the catcher is doing that. But it sets the runner up to be injured. I really wish they had just outlawed all blocking of the plate. It would save such needless injuries. The Giants were deprived of Pagan for a couple of games because of a loophole in the rules.

    • zumiee said, on June 10, 2014 at 1:07 pm

      Pagan hit his shin on the catcher’s shin-guard.

    • zumiee said, on June 10, 2014 at 1:10 pm

      Also, I’m not sure the Mets catcher even had the ball yet when he blocked the plate, which is illegal under the new rules. The Giants didn’t protest, because they scored; but still, MLB should review plays later and fine guys for that, or suspend them for a game. Put some teeth into rules like that.

    • snarkk said, on June 10, 2014 at 1:16 pm

      OK, I remember the play more for the run from first to home than for the slide. I heard the play, I don’t think I saw the highlight of it. Sounds like Pagan would play if it were a September stretch game…

      • Chipower9 said, on June 10, 2014 at 1:34 pm

        The article said he was available last night off the bench. I don’t have a problem with a player taking an extra day due to a ding like this if they need it…

  2. SanDawg said, on June 10, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    Didn’t know about Welch until now. I remember him well and yeah, that 27 game win season was pretty epic and came at an unexpected point in his career. Anyone around 45-50 who follows baseball remembers this guy. RIP.
    I still trip on Denny McLain winning 31 games in a season. There is a rare baseball card/memorabilia shop down here not far from my home. I was just there with a buddy a couple of days ago. They’ve got some great signed 8 x 10 glossies that I always check out. I damn near bought a McLain one the other day where he had signed it and written “31-6″ on there. Plus, he’s got a cool leg kick depicted in the picture. $20. I dig it when you have guys like Welch and McLain, who aren’t Hall-of-Famers, yet have put together some all-time-great seasons.

  3. zumiee said, on June 10, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    It’s now being reported Welch died of a heart attack at home; age 57.

  4. Chipower9 said, on June 10, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    I am with Flavor – for some odd reason, I always admired Welch. Sad news. RIP.

    Wishing his friends and family peace and comfort.

  5. zumiee said, on June 10, 2014 at 1:44 pm

    In case anyone cares (maybe only me), the “other Bob Welch” passed away a couple of years ago, at age 66.

    • Macdog said, on June 10, 2014 at 2:15 pm

      I definitely dig that clip!

    • Alleykat said, on June 10, 2014 at 2:20 pm

      RIP Both Bob Welch’es
      Yeah Bob Welch had a nice run with the A’s especially, that 27-6 season with the Cy Young win was epic!
      Bob Welch the Fleetwood Mac original lead singer was a character along with Mick Fleetwood on drums of course.
      Always liked his songs Hyptionized (sp?) and Emerald Eyes…

    • Chipower9 said, on June 10, 2014 at 3:18 pm

      Very cool. I’ve been a Fleetwood Mac fan since their early days with Peter Green.

  6. Macdog said, on June 10, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    Sad news about Welch. As Zumie mentioned, e always seemed to beat the Giants — sure enough, he had a 19-4 career record vs. SF. Funny thing about the clip above: Everyone remembers Welch striking out Reggie in Game 2, but in Game 6, Reggie got his revenge and took Welch deep to put the game out of reach in the Series-clinching victory.

  7. UncaChucks NinerPage said, on June 10, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    19-4? Shit. Yeah, he was always nails vs thre Giants. Never liked him as he did always seem to kick our ass, but at least he wasn’t a smug bastard like the rest of ‘em.

  8. SanDawg said, on June 10, 2014 at 3:08 pm

    This is already one of my favorite all-time threads.

  9. UncaChucks NinerPage said, on June 10, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    Isn’t Bob Welch in Animal House? The infamous scene where John Belushi stops him playing some ultrasmarmy folk song and smashes his guitar to bits against the wall? Always loved that scene . . .

    • zumiee said, on June 10, 2014 at 3:45 pm

      It was Stephen Bishop, who had the hit song “Save It For A Rainy Day.”
      In the movie, he’s singing an old folk song: “I Gave My Love A Cherry.”
      “I gave my love a cherry
      That had no stone
      I gave my love a chicken
      That had no bone
      I told my love a story
      That had no end”

      and so on.

  10. blade3colorado said, on June 10, 2014 at 3:21 pm

    Some cool remembrances about Welch. Didn’t like him either, but mostly because he was on 2 of my least favorite teams. Regardless, those were games, this is real life . . . RIP Bob.

    I’m doing last minute checks on my Fan Duel starting line up and I am flabbergasted that Tito has Chisenhall batting 7th for Cleveland after his epic evening yesterday. Makes less sense because he isn’t doing the “left right” batting order you see many managers doing. Dumb in my opinion.

  11. blade3colorado said, on June 10, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    Fister is a tough nut to crack. Consequently, we will have our hands full this evening. I’m still shaking my head about Detroit letting him go. Brain dead move, especially in lieu of Verlander . . . umm, posing as some guy named Verlander.

    • zumiee said, on June 10, 2014 at 3:43 pm

      Hands full with Fister? Well said!

      • blade3colorado said, on June 10, 2014 at 3:45 pm

        Seriously, I just noticed it. Puns on demand are Loo’s domain. :-)

  12. SanDawg said, on June 10, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    Random observations from both Bob Welch videos:

    -The first cut Reggie takes is absolutely awesome.
    -Is it me, or does Stevie Nicks sound a bit out of key on her vocals?
    -Did you notice the fan run onto the mound and damn near grope Ron Cey? Cey’s “what the fuck is that guy doing?” reaction is hilarious. God I hated Ron Cey. …and I know I’m preaching to the choir on that one.
    -I LOVE how Ebony Eyes ends with a solo.
    -That knockdown pitch from Welch on pitch 2 was no fucking joke. That looked like 98mph gas right at Reggie’s chin.
    -I’m buying Ebony Eyes on I-Tunes TODAY!
    -I agree Dodger Bob Welch has a cool vibe about him. Love his love key reaction to striking out Reggie.
    -“If you’ve got it in your pocket, you can take it” is a great line
    -I did not remember the bit about Reggie pissing off some teammates by throwing his bat in the dugout.

    • zumiee said, on June 10, 2014 at 3:49 pm

      Awesome analysis!

      Life can have so much irony. The professional rock and roller outlived the professional athlete by almost 10 years. Who can figure it?
      We’re all still trying to figure out the mystery that is Keith Richards.

      • snarkk said, on June 10, 2014 at 4:08 pm

        Keith Richards died in 1996, buried in secret on the side of the volcano in Montserrat.
        The “body” walking around posing as him is an animatronic clone… ;)

      • Irish Kevin said, on June 10, 2014 at 4:09 pm

        Ha ha, when you look at all the old rock and rollers you wonder how did they survive the 60-80’s, Seriously, drugs and alcohol was breakfast, lunch and dinner for some of those dudes.

  13. blade3colorado said, on June 10, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    Shit, this rain out in Chicago is playing havoc with my FL/FD line ups. Last minute adjustments suck.

  14. UncaChucks NinerPage said, on June 10, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    Shit, I totally forgot Welch was a 21 year old kid in that game. Guts galore in that AB. Welch throwiung the high cheese is awesome. And he does it twice.

    Stevie Nicks sounds like shit in that song, and she blows the lyrics as well . . . and I much preferred the Fleetwood Mac minus Stevie and the other chick. This is one of my all time favorite FM tunes (this version AND the Judas Priest versions).

    • Chipower9 said, on June 10, 2014 at 4:02 pm

      Yeah, they were a blues/rock band back then. They gradually started moving in a more pop/rock direction after Green left. There are aspects of all renditions of the band that I like, but especially like the Peter Green era (my love for the blues showing through).

    • blade3colorado said, on June 10, 2014 at 4:05 pm

      Great song Chuck.

    • zumiee said, on June 10, 2014 at 4:22 pm

      Cool song. I like all the various versions of Fleetwood Mac. Stevie Nicks, Christine McVie, and Lindsay Buckingham definitely changed the direction of the band after Welch and Green left. The “new” Mac wasn’t as critically applauded, but they sold a gazillion records, and remain a very beloved band by a lot of people.

  15. Chipower9 said, on June 10, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    Not sure anyone posted on it, but Machado has been suspended for five games for his bat-throwing incident the other day. Fucker deserves to be taken out back and shot IMO.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on June 10, 2014 at 4:10 pm

      I saw that and also that the O’s were considering demoting him. While unlikely, that would be pretty funny.

    • snarkk said, on June 10, 2014 at 4:12 pm

      I dunno Chi, execution may be a BIT too harsh.
      IMO, this suspension seems about 5 games too light.
      But, I heard somewhere today on radio that Campy got 7 games suspension for throwing his bat at Larrin LaGrow back in the early ’70s playoffs, that one actually fluttered over LaGrow’s head…

      • zumiee said, on June 10, 2014 at 4:26 pm

        Bowie Kuhn wimped out a bit, though, in that Campy was allowed to finish the playoffs, and win a World Series, and didn’t have to serve his suspension until the start of the next regular season.

      • SanDawg said, on June 10, 2014 at 5:21 pm

        That game, and that moment where Campy flung the bat, is one of my earliest memories of watching baseball on TV. I would have been 7 at the time, still living in San Luis Obispo.

      • chipower9 said, on June 10, 2014 at 7:04 pm

        Execution was totally tongue in cheek, but I think 5 games is a bit light. I think 10 would be much more appropriate.

    • Irish Kevin said, on June 10, 2014 at 4:17 pm

      Ha ha tells how youu really feel about the guy Chi!!!

      • blade3colorado said, on June 10, 2014 at 4:18 pm

        Chi is always over the top. Ask him about how he feels about someone taking his gun away. LOL.

      • chipower9 said, on June 10, 2014 at 7:05 pm

        I don’t sugar coat shit…always tell it like it is. And yes…you can have my gun when you pry if from my cold, dead fingers. That is the ONLY way you will get them.

      • DJLoo said, on June 10, 2014 at 7:14 pm

        Unoriginal macho energy…

  16. blade3colorado said, on June 10, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    Dunno, about people being shot Chi. However, you reminded me of something I just read recently. on Fan Duel – The Definitive Ranking Of Best Recess Games Of All Time.

    Dodge Ball was my absolute favorite game and per this column (quite funny), he has it at # 2. Bullshit! Dodge ball was the greatest school yard game ever invented. I was also shocked that school districts are banning it because they feel people are getting hurt; and it perpetuates bullying. Pansies . . . :-)

    https://www.fanduel.com/insider/2014/06/06/definitive-ranking-of-the-best-recess-games-of-all-time/

    • Irish Kevin said, on June 10, 2014 at 4:20 pm

      All you have to do is watch the movie Dodge Ball and you know it was a great game. Bullying?? seriously? in my time the kids who didn’t like it just didn’t dodge the ball got hit right away and sat down.

    • Alleykat said, on June 10, 2014 at 4:24 pm

      Loved Dodge a Ball, I drilled a teacher I never liked when he wasn’t looking, got away with that one😃

      • blade3colorado said, on June 10, 2014 at 4:28 pm

        Hilarious Kat.

    • snarkk said, on June 10, 2014 at 4:39 pm

      I liked dodgeball big time. Hell, we used to laugh when we got hit in the head or butt with the ball, then we’d go sit out and watch the game til it ended. Nobody sat out, even the boys that were not athletes (yeah, we used to call ‘em spaz’s, how unPC, now they probably run a tech company). I liked kickball better. “Baby bouncies”, baby. I had a strong foot. There were two or three of us who could kick the sucker, if nailed just right, high and long enough to go onto the roof of the school building from homeplate of the asphalt playground where the kickball diamond was painted. Loved that “home run”, and seeing the ball come bouncing down off the roof…

    • chipower9 said, on June 10, 2014 at 7:22 pm

      Again…totally kidding about shooting the guy. My favorite was kick-ball. Basically set-up to play like baseball, but you kicked the big rubber ball.

  17. James said, on June 10, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    Oddly, or perhaps, of course, my favorite Fleetwood Mac album, “Kiln House,” doesn’t feature Peter Green, Bob Welch, or Lindsay Buckingham. “Station Man” has a nice, lazy hippie groove, on top of which an unlikely Stones-like riff eventually shows up, and then the guitar solos could just go on forever.

  18. Flavor said, on June 10, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    Hacman interviewed on Knbr– got asked who the toughest P he ever faced was.
    He goes, “JR Richard. Threw 3 pitches. Never saw them”
    Classic

    • snarkk said, on June 10, 2014 at 5:23 pm

      Awesome.
      JR is the answer a lot of guys give when asked that question. He had NASTY stuff…

  19. blade3colorado said, on June 10, 2014 at 5:25 pm

    Unrelated to sports, but some Tea Partier (dude named Brat . . . great name) is about to upset Eric Cantor, who is numero 2 in the House Of Representatives. Cantor has aspirations about being House Speaker. Pfffttt! Not going to happen. Couldn’t happen to a better guy and I love how the Repubtards are similar to Hyenas that eat their young. ;-)

    • snarkk said, on June 10, 2014 at 5:45 pm

      I won’t go much into a political rant here, but Cantor is a low down putz. There’s a video out there of him at a “town hall” in his district a few years ago where a woman says she’s got cancer, lost her health insurance, has gone bankrupt paying med bills and is about to lose her house and will lose her cancer care and says the system is totally messed up, what are you doing about this — and he responds with something like “well, there are probably some charities that can help you”. Unfortunately, the yutz that beat him is worse from what I’ve seen. Cantor will land on his feet making oodles of dough as a “thinker” at a reichwing think tank for a year while the lobbyist waiting period goes by, then when that year is done he’ll probably become a K street whore, uh, lobbyist for the guys that financed his campaigns…

      • blade3colorado said, on June 10, 2014 at 6:03 pm

        Agree completely. One benefit of these extreme Tea Party lunatics winning primaries is that they usually have zero chance when the general election commences; or, if they are elected, anything they do propose is usually deemed too extreme and laughed at. Next.

  20. snarkk said, on June 10, 2014 at 5:35 pm

    Some of you guys probably remember Frank Dill on KNBR way before it was a sports station. When the Rumours album came out in ’77, Frank had such a hard on for Stevie Nicks he’d play “Dreams” about twice an hour. Went on for MONTHs. I got sick of that song because of that. Anyway, he and Mike Cleary were a hoot on the am show. They used to interview Don Nelson once a week during the Warriors season, that 10 minutes was far better than listening/watching one of the games. One time Nellie was on the phone out walking his dog or dogs, and Frank asked him what the dogs were doing. Nellie said something like “well, Goldie just took a huge dump on somebody’s lawn”. Hilarious…

    • WilcoJoe said, on June 10, 2014 at 6:31 pm

      I grew up listening to Frank and Mike…The interviews with Nellie were legendary…I used to have the biggest crush on Camy Blackstone, when she was the traffic girl…That was until I finally saw what she looked like.

      • zumiee said, on June 10, 2014 at 7:11 pm

        Who knew that Camy looked like this?:

        http://tinyurl.com/p8rl3o6

      • chipower9 said, on June 10, 2014 at 7:25 pm

        Wow…that is going back. I had forgot about Frank and Mike. I remember listening to them. I think Pete Franklin (flush the bum!) was next in the queue.

  21. Flavor said, on June 10, 2014 at 6:11 pm

    In ’78, JR Richard led the league in K’s. He also led the league in walks and threw 16 complete games. How many pitches did that freaking dude throw that year, lol

  22. DJLoo said, on June 10, 2014 at 6:47 pm

    Statistically, Aramis Ramirez is having about the same career as Orlando Cepeda.
    Think he’ll get a single HOF vote when he’s done?

    • James said, on June 10, 2014 at 7:51 pm

      Orlando is the benchmark for any number of players who have been and will be ignored.

  23. chipower9 said, on June 10, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    Nice first inning by Big Country. Time to score the fucking runs…

  24. zumiee said, on June 10, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    There was some good news in the Giants organization last night: Stratton pitched well in the San Jose Giants game. He was the first round pick in 2012, of course; I’d forgotten his minor league progress got sidetracked for a while because he got hit in the head by a line drive during batting practice a couple of years ago.

    • DJLoo said, on June 10, 2014 at 7:39 pm

      Better than shooting off a leg like Monty…

  25. WilcoJoe said, on June 10, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    You can have fun with this pitching matchup…Madison “she likes it in the” Bumgarner vs. Doug “she cums when I” Fister.

    • Flavor said, on June 10, 2014 at 7:53 pm

      “Fister? I hardly know her!” Yes..I dropped that like to myself in the car today, by myself and i laughed a little bit out loud. Don’t judge me….

    • James said, on June 10, 2014 at 7:57 pm

      I guess when you Phfffster, she doesn’t come.

  26. James said, on June 10, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    What a great photo.

  27. willedav said, on June 10, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    Back in the partying 70s days, a couple buddies and I each had 100s of LPs and I got into making cassette tapes of fav songs/artists to play for an hour or so while we were *entertaining*. I can remember a brit one with Tull from Benefit days and Mac’s Coming Your Way. Good stuff.
    Mayall and many of the Brits were into Chicago blues long before it regained popularity here.

  28. WilcoJoe said, on June 10, 2014 at 8:06 pm

    Giants got a gift there. How do they not overturn that?

  29. Flavor said, on June 10, 2014 at 8:06 pm

    I’m still bummed about Bob Welch dying. I know people die all the time but when ballplayers from my youth go it’s weirder, harder. And he’s not even a contemporary, he was a dozen years older than me. Shooter and me are much closer in age and for some reason Welch dying today hit me harder than Beck. Or the dude from Hoosiers who died, take your pick. :)

  30. DJLoo said, on June 10, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    Dodgers and Rays should trade Mattingly for Maddon…

  31. DJLoo said, on June 10, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    He couldn’t have scored much before the tag out. Like to see a replay…

  32. Alleykat said, on June 10, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    Geez not a good night for that ump at 1st. 2 blown calls
    Pagan was out called safe, and replay totally missed that one.
    Desmond called safe ruled out which was right which saved a run atleast,

  33. Alleykat said, on June 10, 2014 at 9:09 pm

    Shit Flannery,WTF you thinking, sending Tubbs home with Werth’s gun arm, no chance!!

  34. unca_chuck said, on June 10, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    If replay has shown anything, it’s that a guy 2 feet away from a play can miss it entirely. Over and over.

  35. unca_chuck said, on June 10, 2014 at 9:11 pm

    Yeah, running on Werth wasn’t such a bright idea.

  36. unca_chuck said, on June 10, 2014 at 9:26 pm

    Criminy. where are the 2-out hits now?

    • James said, on June 10, 2014 at 9:42 pm

      They are hitting .333 with RISP/2 outs tonight.

  37. unca_chuck said, on June 10, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    Where’s anybody?

  38. DJLoo said, on June 10, 2014 at 9:34 pm

    Amy G.hits another low. Do they make her do this shit?

    • willedav said, on June 10, 2014 at 9:39 pm

      She’s all about max air time. it’s too bad K and K actually have to do the game being televised and interrupt her act…which of course you can follow on twitter, plus her interviews with the cute named handle yada yada

      • DJLoo said, on June 10, 2014 at 9:44 pm

        I have the complete set of “Dishin’ With DeRosa” if you’d like to borrow it, Willie…

  39. snarkk said, on June 10, 2014 at 9:39 pm

    Some Giant needs to hit a jack…

  40. Alleykat said, on June 10, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    Wasted inning,,
    Wasted night with a big fat ZERO
    Maybe time to get Wasted

    • willedav said, on June 10, 2014 at 9:57 pm

      Wasted a great night from Pablo, even that last walk was good AB.
      Had a feeling these were gonna be torture games.

  41. chipower9 said, on June 10, 2014 at 10:01 pm

    Final three. Come on Giants. WTF. I know the team has spoiled us with all the wins (and comeback wins)…but the thought of dropping two in a row is pissing me off. So many wasted ops with 2 on tonight.

  42. chipower9 said, on June 10, 2014 at 10:04 pm

    MudBug!

  43. unca_chuck said, on June 10, 2014 at 10:07 pm

    Well, its a start.

  44. sportdude said, on June 10, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    Thanks for the video Craig. Classic baseball moment. Enjoyable despite the Dodgers coming out on top. Watching reggie was worth it..

  45. chipower9 said, on June 10, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    Fuck….

  46. chipower9 said, on June 10, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    Night Flappers…

  47. sportdude said, on June 10, 2014 at 10:16 pm

    Shit 10 hits for 1 run. Augh

  48. snarkk said, on June 10, 2014 at 10:17 pm

    Nats are good…

  49. unca_chuck said, on June 10, 2014 at 10:19 pm

    Bullshit, Laskey. you don’t have to send Pablo when he’s likely to be out by a mile.

    • Macdog said, on June 10, 2014 at 10:32 pm

      Yep, Craw hit a bullet right to Werth, Pablo had no chance. Not exactly Flan’s finest moment.

  50. zumiee said, on June 10, 2014 at 11:47 pm

    This was the first game where I thought they really really missed Belt.
    Blanco batting 6th? That’s not a happening thing.

    • snarkk said, on June 10, 2014 at 11:48 pm

      Yep. Blanco blows hot and very cold…

  51. snarkk said, on June 10, 2014 at 11:53 pm

    Take a look at the replay of Cespedes’ throw from LF to home plate in the 8th of A’s vs. the Angels tonight. If there’s a better throw from the deep OF to cut down a runner, I’d like to see it. And, I’m including that one Melky threw from LF in 2012 (can’t remember where the roadie game was)…


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