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Trouble, Bad News Everywhere

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 19, 2014

The Giants have lost 9 of their last 10 and now Kershaw is throwing no hitters for LA. It’s definitely grind time if you’re a Giants fan and now they get another day off. I’ll be sprinkling nails on top of my Frosted Flakes this morning….

Pagan has been sent to Arizona for tests on his back. You already know this. And this is ominous news……

It feels like this season is hanging in the balance, doesn’t it? How did this happen so quickly? Falling off the top of the world, Ma!

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  1. blade3colorado said, on June 19, 2014 at 6:53 am

    Too bad this isn’t a science fiction movie, where we could go back in time and have a “do over.”

  2. willedav said, on June 19, 2014 at 7:13 am

    On the gillaspie live clip (thanks bozo) he talks about Sox bouncing back after not playing well vs. royals, scoring 6 runs in 4 games yada yada. Hey, they whipped Cain and Hudson, hit some HRs and took advantage of Giants defensive lapses. As I heard Woodson say last night, Giants have played well enough for long enough to build themselves some cushion for an inevitable (they weren’t winning 110 games) slide

    Giants (yes, Still First) are certainly capable to doing the same things vs. AZ. Salt brought up good point, that pitching seems to be primary culprit in losing streak, tho D isn’t far behind. Pagan’s health is obviously a big issue, but return of Belt soon should also make a big difference in middle order and affect other positions defensively.

    I understand those who are disappointed in giants bench guys (tho most had pretty good game yesterday) but it’s kind of old news. Criticize Sabes and his farm system all you want he’s made brilliant moves last few years to get Giants where they are today. These guys are replacement players–DFA them into oblivion and they aren’t going to be replaced by Mike Trout; they are here to give regulars a day off to rest and recover. Ultimately they are going to make very little difference–it’s up to the likes of Pence Pagan Posey Morse Belt Sandoval Crawford and the pitching staff to make good things happen on a regular basis…like starting tmw.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 19, 2014 at 7:27 am

      Good point (last paragraph).

    • Chipower9 said, on June 19, 2014 at 8:06 am

      Very good point about the bench…and that is true for every team.

  3. salty said, on June 19, 2014 at 7:22 am

    Now, now jimmy, it’s not that bad…8 of 9. ;)
    And Blanco says he’s ready to be the man. Again.
    And c’mon, Adrianza is up to .206!

  4. dirtnrocksnomo said, on June 19, 2014 at 8:05 am

    Slump buster time on the BB page.

  5. Chipower9 said, on June 19, 2014 at 8:14 am

    With the hiccups by the pitching staff (both starters and bullpen have had their struggles), the team overall is still 6th in team ERA at 3.40, and 3rd in WHIP at 1.18.

    I think it was Salt who was wondering last thread what the Giant’s numbers (pitching and runs scored) look like for June. Here ya go:

    Pitching: 4.60 ERA, 1.23 WHIP. Record is 7-9. Saves – 3. Save opportunities – 6. 74 runs surrendered (72 earned). BAA – .246.

    Offense (for June only): BA – .281. OBP – .336, SLG – .407, OPS – .743. 12 HR, 66 RBI, 43 BB, 125 Ks.

    Offense for the season: BA – .253, OBP – .313, SLG – .405, OPS – .719. 75 HR, 206 RBI, 206 BB, 593 Ks.

    • salt said, on June 19, 2014 at 8:38 am

      Thanks, Chi.

      • Chipower9 said, on June 19, 2014 at 9:32 am

        You’re welcome, Salty.

  6. pawliekokonuts said, on June 19, 2014 at 8:15 am

    I don’t know, it all feels so — what? — 2008ish? 2009ish? Yeah, I remember saying probably less than TWO WEEKS AGO that a few losses might build Torture-like character, that we would not want things to be too easy. That seems like seasons ago. I remember at times in the Bowker Years having the feeling that every single aspect of Giants talent would implode, most ominously the starting pitching. Truth be told, I even felt this at times in 2010, as Blade well knows. It’s eerily like Opening Day now, when I feel like we will either win every game or lose every game going forward, depending on what happens in Game 1. Yup. It’s a long season. Let’s see what we are made of. (My younger daughter warned me; she told me to prepare for the ship to sink. I pretty much replied that I’ve seen a lot of bad seasons since 1955. However, since the 2 rings, I can take anything now.) By the way, the Pagan news is for me the most alarming. He’s been so pivotal as lead-off, it is easy to take his (and the team’s) success for granted, or for granite.

    • Chipower9 said, on June 19, 2014 at 8:23 am

      All teams go through bad spells. This team played so damned well for so long, I find it hard to believe they will not come around again and play some good baseball. I agree though, of all the bad stuff happening of late, Pagan for me is the most serious. I truly feel he is the most important piece for this club. Sure, you could say it would have a huge impact if we lost any of the big guns (Pence, Posey, Pablo, Morse, etc.). But Pagan with his charismatic energy and vibe just is so important. He is the spark plug that sparks the cinder and lights the fire. We need a whole lot more of that right now from top to bottom of the order, and throughout the pitching staff.

  7. Chipower9 said, on June 19, 2014 at 8:19 am

    RE: snarkk’s comment on bringing up Panik (last thread). I would bring him up, too to see what he has, but as I have shared (what I have read at a few sources) that it is not in management’s plan at this time. I will truly be surprised if we see him before rosters expand.

    Clown – thanks for the link on Gillaspie.

    Bums now only 4 back. They’re 7-3 in their last 10. Our boys are 2-8. Time to end this slide and to get back to playing solid, fundamental ball. Pitch the ball. Catch the ball. Throw the ball. Hit the ball. It all looked so easy for them prior to June.

  8. pawliekokonuts said, on June 19, 2014 at 8:27 am

    Maybe the team needs Preacherman to go all Elmer Gantry on his fellows, but I don’t think so. Way too early for that. I will say this, Bochy is the perfect guy to keep things steady, not panicky. We WILL win again eventually. One game at a time.

  9. Chipower9 said, on June 19, 2014 at 8:48 am

    When they were on their winning streak, almost all writers, etc. would ask them about the playoffs, etc., and the answer from each and every was that they do not think ahead. It is always preparing for that next game. I believe the players live by this creed. They will come around. Let’s just hope the bums do not go on another insane tear like they did last year. But screw it, you cannot control what other teams do…you just play each game to the absolute best of your ability…one day, one game at a time.

  10. snarkk said, on June 19, 2014 at 8:52 am

    This season will be fought fully into September. That’s what we expected early on with the roster LA has, and it’s looking like that now. LA has too many horses to drop out of sight. Their rotation is better than the Giants — and that’s the ominous difference. Two no hitters spun from the same rotation within a month is a sanity check on how good that rotation is. Meanwhile, I’m hoping Timmy keeps Goldschmidt to one solo HR Friday night…

  11. UncaChucks NinerPage said, on June 19, 2014 at 9:15 am

    Yeah I remember hoping early on that they could make hay while the Dodgers scuffled around. Well ,they did, to the tune of an 8 game lead, but I didn’t see us falling off the cliff like this.

    And AZ usually isn’t a very good place to turn shit around.

    I know thew pitching sucks, but how about an early lead?

  12. Chipower9 said, on June 19, 2014 at 9:36 am

    On June 8th (happy birthday to me) it was up to 9.5 games. Amazing how quickly things can change over the course of 10 days.

  13. Chipower9 said, on June 19, 2014 at 9:39 am

    Slumps come and slumps go.

    Bums are tough adversaries.

    Giants will hit stride again.

  14. Chipower9 said, on June 19, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Me superstitious?

    A new BBOTD is needed now.

    New eye candy helps.

    • Flavor said, on June 19, 2014 at 10:03 am

      sorry i keep forgetting that. I’ll try to do it tonight. The season could hang in the balance if I don’t

      • Chipower9 said, on June 19, 2014 at 11:19 am

        LMAO. But seriously, look at the conundrum it has put our boys in right now, in such a short period of time. (Insert goofy-assed smiley face, here.)

  15. Alleykat said, on June 19, 2014 at 9:55 am

    So does Timmeh bean Goldshit every time up, since he totally has ownage 13-24 7 bombs and 17 RBI’s lifetime?
    Fuck go for it we need a spark with a bench clearing brawl!!

    • Chipower9 said, on June 19, 2014 at 11:20 am

      I like the way you think, Kat.

  16. willedav said, on June 19, 2014 at 10:06 am

    Before Sox series I said something about pitchers keeping ball in the yard, which obviously didn’t happen.
    Other night on mlb net I saw Kieschnick get his first career HR into the pool for DBax, in a losing effort.
    Hey, if he can do it I expect Giants to get their share of HRs in AZ, hopefully more often than AZ.

    Btw, I’d highly recommend the Feinstein book on AAA, “Where Nobody Knows Your Name”. Actually there are plenty of guys everyone would be familiar with, including Nate McLouth Scott Podsednik and assorted mgrs. that formerly played like Phil Nevin. There is even a Kruk reference, as he referred a guy he played with at Cal Poly San Luis to mlb scouts.
    Feinstein can be a little wordy, but not so much in this book with mostly 10 page chapters. Filled with guys on way up (or not) and life in clubhouse, on field promos, call ups/travel nightmares, mgrs. and coaches and life in small towns/small stage in the Int’l League (including present day Durham bulls). Good read!

  17. UncaChucks NinerPage said, on June 19, 2014 at 10:36 am

    Happy B Day Chuck!

  18. Irish Kevin said, on June 19, 2014 at 10:55 am

    Well I will take full blame for the June Swoon, since I brought it up when the first losing series happened. ha ha anyway most comments were that this team was too deep to have a full blown swoon. oops. With that said, it is still a long ways to October. The Giants will servive this California draught.

  19. twinfan1 said, on June 19, 2014 at 11:34 am

    *Blanco- Rodney Dangerfield
    *Not good news-Pagan has been sent to Vienna for tests
    * Go figger: 4-7 vs. Rockheads 7-3 vs. Bums
    *Timmy and Goldy Plan B- Tried that, OK-Plan C
    *Plan C-They’re working on it
    *Team pitching, June ERA- 4.60. Really, that low?
    *Machi 32 games 4 inherited runners scored
    *Kontos 11 games 4 inherited runners scored

    • twinfan1 said, on June 19, 2014 at 11:44 am

      Happy Birthday, Chuck. A Vernon Davis bobblehead is headed your way ;-)

  20. pawliekokonuts said, on June 19, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    Happy Birthday, Chuck. Thanks for the book recommendation, Willedav. Good to see you here, Twin. BBOTD. Needed. STAT.

  21. Alleykat said, on June 19, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    Happy Birthday Chuck!!🏂
    Your Ehire Andrianza Broken booblehead is being shipped from Fresno as I type😃

  22. twinfan1 said, on June 19, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    Great site that shows all Giants’ minor league transactions. If you already have it, well-you have it again ;-)

    http://tinyurl.com/kgtx9w8

    • salty said, on June 19, 2014 at 4:11 pm

      Thanks for the link, tf. I’m rooting for Clayton “big daddy” Blackburn.

  23. Bozo said, on June 19, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    I’m reminded of the song “My Feet Can’t Fail Me Now” by the Dirty Dozen Brass Band, probably because I’m listening to it. But, if Mr. Pagan can’t answer the bell, well, put on your dancing shoes Mr. Blanco. My feet, can’t fail me now, my feet can’t fail me now…And, neither can the Giants.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 19, 2014 at 3:47 pm

      One of my favorite bands from the 70s, Little Feat (Lowell George) did an album and song titled, “Feats Don’t Fail Me Now,” but my favorite song was “Cold, Cold, Cold,” great song that starts slow and builds up to a really good boogie song.

      • UncaChucks NinerPage said, on June 19, 2014 at 4:16 pm

        Shit, haven’t heard that in about 35 years . . . . I think I might have seen these guys . . .

      • Bozo said, on June 19, 2014 at 4:27 pm

        No offense Blade, I just was never a big Little Feat guy. Now the Dozen? I’ll be seeing them and Dr John Saturday if we can get a sitter for the dogs.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 19, 2014 at 4:48 pm

      No offense taken Clown . . . You mentioning “My Feet Can’t Fail Me Now” made me remember Little Feat. Yeah Chuck, it’s been quite a few years since I’ve listened to them as well (probably since I got rid of my Pioneer turntable in the late 90s and packed away my old albums).

  24. zumiee said, on June 19, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    And then there’s this one that fits the past week and a half for Giants fans: :)

    “Gloom, despair, and agony on me
    Deep, dark depression, excessive misery
    If it weren’t for bad luck, I’d have no luck at all
    Gloom, despair, and agony on me”

    • Bozo said, on June 19, 2014 at 4:11 pm

      I loved Hee Haw.

  25. Flavor said, on June 19, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    I don’t think I want the Warriors to trade Klay and Lee for Love. I just like the fact that the Warriors are actually in on something like this happening. And if they do pull it off, I’ll support it, just from an excitement standpoint.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 19, 2014 at 5:01 pm

      Deal is fucked up if that’s it. However, I’m all in if we get the 13th 1st rounder of Minn. and Kevin Martin is included (as has been rumored). Dude is a stud (albeit, he is a shitty 3 point shooter . . . great at FT though),

  26. paulinasia said, on June 19, 2014 at 5:26 pm

    I don’t want to be perceived as a doomer (ooh, that’s such a dirty word here), but realistically, it does seem LA is getting its shit together and it does seem the G’s are evening out. As opposed to morning out… Wouldn’t be at all surprised to see LA in first place by the break. Sabes is probably going to have to make some moves, which he’s been pretty good at doing. Huff Post has this article if you didn’t see it; nothing remarkable, and actually, everything in this story has already been discussed here on the Flap. Not sure about how much the G’s could get in return by trading Timmy, and obviously that would happen only if they sign a Shmardziwhozee or trade for a Price…. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lincoln-mitchell/can-the-giants-move-timmy_b_5511780.html

    • wswins said, on June 19, 2014 at 5:45 pm

      2-8 is not evening out…it’s a bad streak…if they played 500 ball you wouldn’t notice the dodgers….and ya, with a statement like you wouldn’t be surprised to see LA…you are a doomer

      • Flavor said, on June 19, 2014 at 5:49 pm

        being called a “doomer” here is a compliment. It’s equivalent to not sticking your head in the sand and being a brain dead lemming fan. There’s nothing wrong with thinking things through, things based in reality and fact, and not just being a dumbass rooting fan.

  27. Flavor said, on June 19, 2014 at 5:48 pm

    I’m inclined to go with what Sabes just said on KNBR– it’s normal to have a let down after getting kicked in the balls 3 straight games. THe White Sox games were natural let downs. two games. No biggie. And the 3 before that they should have won.
    I’m not falling off the top of the world after all. :)

  28. Flavor said, on June 19, 2014 at 5:54 pm

    “The Denver Nuggets are offering Kenneth Faried, Wilson Chandler and 11th pick for Kevin Love and Kevin Martin.”
    That crushes the Golden State offer.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 19, 2014 at 6:15 pm

      Flavor, are you serious (or being sarcastic)? I still think the offer the Warriors have on the table is superior by far then the Nuggets are offering. Kenneth Faried was terrible last season – a total face plant (especially after his promising season the year before). Chandler is a good player, but he was injured (groin) most of the year. In my opinion, the only way I could see this deal making sense for the Nuggets is if they can get Love to put pen to paper on signing an extension to join the Nuggets. It would be foolish to see Denver trade away Faried, Chandler, draft pick, and possibly Afflalo (I’ve read it’s a 3 way trade also involving the Magic) to watch Love walk in 2015.

      • Flavor said, on June 19, 2014 at 6:37 pm

        totally serious. The W’s would be GETTING the ‘Wolves first round pick, Denver is offering their 11. And I love Farried, dude is a total game stud. Klay overrated.
        We’ll see what happens, they’ll take the best deal, right?

      • Flavor said, on June 19, 2014 at 6:38 pm

        and dude, none of these deals get done w/o an extension for Love.

  29. blade3colorado said, on June 19, 2014 at 6:53 pm

    Kenneth Faried Pre/Post-All-Star Break
    MPG FG% PPG RPG APG SPG BPG
    Pre-All-Star 24.7 54.4% 10.4 7.6 1.0 0.7 1.0
    Post-All-Star 31.2 54.6% 18.8 10.1 1.6 1.1 0.7

    You’re right Faried was a stud in the 2nd half of the season, but he also was MIA the first half. Fans here were disappointed in his inconsistency after his season before, i.e., who is the real Faried? By the time he started playing good ball, their season was in the dumpster.

    Dunno about what the Timberwolves will do, ESPN and Fox are saying that the Nuggets are a “dark horse” and the Warriors are still favored.

  30. Bozo - a dumbass rooting fan said, on June 19, 2014 at 7:01 pm

    Go Giants.

  31. Nipper said, on June 19, 2014 at 7:38 pm

    GO ORANGE and BLACK!

  32. Tony S said, on June 19, 2014 at 7:47 pm

    It’s easier to replace a 2 than a 4….BUT, Don Nelson traded away Mitch Richmond for Billy Owens…and regrets it to this day.
    Best thing is getting rid of David Lee’s contract.

    • unca_chuck said, on June 19, 2014 at 8:23 pm

      I think he regrets the Weber/Googs trade a little more

  33. Tony S said, on June 19, 2014 at 7:57 pm

    Speaking of trades, forget Utley and Samarzdja. Shea is right on. That’s not Sabean’s MO. And thank goodness for that.
    http://www.sfgate.com/giants/shea/article/Giants-honeymoon-has-become-a-swoon-5565903.php

  34. willedav said, on June 19, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    Whoa…Klay is NOT overrated. Besides elevating his game from pure perimeter player only to ability to post up smaller defenders, he routinely guards opponents best G. who on GS can do that? It sure ain’t Steph, and if you bring in a pure PG and move Steph to shooting G you only make things worse.
    I don’t get what GS sees in Love that they don’t already have, if healthy. He neither scores nor defends inside, so no he can’t handle Blake Griffin. What he does is shoot and score but I don’t think that is Dubs problem.
    And one of GS weaknesses was quality back up at G…Martin is a pure scorer only who cannot be a PG nor defend at either position. by trading Klay you only make G position worse and Martin will never make up for losing J Jack.

  35. unca_chuck said, on June 19, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    Klay certainly doesn’t get much credit for his defense. And he did develop a nice inside game this year. He does get very streaky though.

  36. unca_chuck said, on June 19, 2014 at 10:06 pm

    And just for fun, Zach Wheeler throws a one-hit shutout win over the Marlins.


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