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No Time To Panik

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 23, 2014

Stix wrote something last night that covers it better than I could. Here ya go:

stickman said, on June 22, 2014 at 8:10 pm (Edit)

Will the league figure Panik out? He strikes me as the cogitative type. Student of the game type. Into the culture and perhaps a bit of the magic already. Second Base is pivotally key to the poetry of an acute infield. Panik could be the homegrown fit. He more than fully realizes his role is not that of busting down the barn door. Today’s RBI double tells us he’s not strictly punch and judy. Does he choke up on the bat? Inquiring minds could almost envision this kid as cut out from the type of baseball which probably peaked in the 20′s, just at the time when Babe Ruth made the homer King.

Poetically again, Panik almost represents a mythological character. 2nd base has been a long-running sore for SF. Robby Thompson kinda set a pattern. He too was a bit of a throwback to a vintage form of baseball. Retro. That monicker would fit a playmaking, glove-flipping contact hitter who aims to hit em where they ain’t.
That’s my read of the new kid in town. Hope he hangs around for a bunch of while. Last couple times the Giants had a sparkplug playing and batting second they won all the marbles.

Course we don’t know for sure yet. Baseball tosses a topsy-turvy turn of events at the darndest times. But it is just possible that the keystone has just been set into the arch. Got a feeling about this kid. Steady Eddie Bressoud played for the original version of the S.F. Giants. Some players have a level of inner harmonics which has a positive influence on the entire rest of the team.

Sandoval, Crawford, Panik and Belt. Mark that down. That could be some infield.

 

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  1. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 6:35 am

    I hope the kid “sticks” around too. He looks like a keeper.

    San Diego couldn’t have come at a better time, especially for Cain. HE OWNS THEM . . . or, at least he did. He has 8 consecutive quality starts against the Pads. Despite Cain’s astronomical home run to fly ball rate of 16% – he was 11% last season and has averaged 8% overall in his career – it won’t be much of a factor with the Padres. They don’t hit the ball much in the air (30% rate and that ranks 23rd in the league). Moreover, they don’t hit the ball much at all. Anywho, I think the winning streak continues. That’s a fact Jack . . . However, I’m still gonna go over to the BBOTD and rub Dumpy Ass’s rump for good luck. :-)

  2. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 6:47 am

    By the by, Flavor showed us the video of what not to do after the pitcher throws a wild pitch. From the same club that provided that defensive fielding gem, here’s one on what not to do on a sure inside the park home run:

    http://m.mlb.com/video/v33960507/milcol-dickerson-triples-then-stumbles-into-an-out

  3. willedav said, on June 23, 2014 at 7:14 am

    Lot of things to like about yesterday, but 2 stood out to me.
    First, Bum just dominated. Watching him blow away Kiesch but also Golds early set the tone–he was not going to be denied. This wasn’t a Vogs outing where 3 early ones were gonna be wasted as AZ sent balls flying all over the yard for extra bases. Bum could have had a no no going into the 9th.
    Second, Posey catches day game after long 3 and half hour night game. Can’t remember last time this happened, and Giants still don’t have a day off this week. He hit the ball hard few times in this series, which hopefully portends good things to come… and less of Hector.

    Guy on the post game told Lurie he thought Panik should be given a shot at lead off if indeed Pagan winds up on the DL. Hey, he’s a good looking kid but let’s not get his Cooperstown plaque ready just yet. Just hope he can field his position, esp the routine ones and help turn DPs while figuring out ml pitching.

  4. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 7:17 am

    More good news regarding the Giants going against the Padres – Cashner, their ace has been scratched from tonight’s game.

  5. Flavor said, on June 23, 2014 at 7:29 am
    • Alleykat said, on June 23, 2014 at 7:34 am

      Yeah the Darth Helmut has arrived, just an awful look!!

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2014 at 7:52 am

      looks like this dude has a fivehead.

    • stickman said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:43 am

      Looks like the second coming of someone outta Mao’s little red book.

  6. Raymond said, on June 23, 2014 at 7:30 am

    well said, stickman.

    • stickman said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:48 am

      Thanx. Two or three inspirations brought that one out. Arrival of Panik and his fully grasping that opportunity is the given. Second factor: a friend stopped by with some potentate smokum. Somehow that stuff gets inside my head. Giants do particularly well, coinciding with Bumgarner hitting his stride and i just like to share the good feelings.

  7. willedav said, on June 23, 2014 at 7:34 am

    Poor Pads are f-ed up. My godson lives there and supports them full on and blames cable deal on lack of payroll. But this year has been a team wide offensive face plant.
    They are dead last in NL in runs scored, OB, slugging, OPS and total bases.
    Vennable and Gyorko, kids who had great seasons last year, are at .204 and .160.
    Oft injured Quentin has 90 ABs and a .192 avg. Headley in his contract drive year is at even .200 and sat out yesterday. Cabrera and Amarista are again barely over Mendoza line.

    Gotta wonder if GM was fired over Street. Maybe a promise had been made to deal/not deal him. Obviously he’d attract ton of attention, and closer would seem to be a luxury for a team going nowhere. But how many prospects do Pads want to have and still claim to fanbase to be a ml team?

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2014 at 7:41 am

      weird year for them. Sure, the park is a pitchers park but some of those batting averages are hard to explain especially when you consider how they did last year.

      • willedav said, on June 23, 2014 at 7:51 am

        Plus, they are 13-23 on the road, second worst record in the league, so getting away from Petco isn’t helping them much either. Feel bad for Black, who seems like class guy and decent mgr. without much to work with in terms of players or upper mgmt.

  8. UncaChucks NinerPage said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:07 am

    Hope to see Matt do well tonight. He needs a strong game like no one else.

    Going to the game w/ a couple of the kids and San Dawg Jr.

    Love the Jiffy Pop popcorn hat, BTW. Looks like he should be on the Fat Albert show.

    • SanDawg said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:32 am

      Very cool! Have a great time and tell the lad his old man says hello.

      I’ve been a bit out of touch with the Giants with last week being the final week of my school with graduation and all that, and then spent the weekend in Mexico. I did check scores and was relieved to see the Giants stop the bleeding and win back to back games. Now that the Panick Button has been pushed, I’m looking forward to seeing the kid play as I’ve never laid eyes on him. Loved Stickman’s post about him and I hope he is onto something. Almost sounds a bit like Joe Strain, but hopefully he has a better career.
      Not sure what to say about the Pads. I’ve been to probably 7-8 of their games already and the offense is horrid. LIke BF said, its not just a lack of power issue. I actually thought Byrnes made some nice moves, but NONE of their guys are coming through as you’d expect. Glad to hear Cain has been dominant against them the last few years as I still have clear visions of him getting absolutely shelled by the Pads at Petco several years ago. I sat in that right field area jutting out near the foul pole and he gave up 3 bombs that landed within 20 feet of me and the kids.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:34 am

      David McCallum (Man From Uncle) had a role in The Outer Limits, where his cranium got big after being involved with an experiment to speed up evolution . . .

      Dude could have worn that hat.

      • snarkk said, on June 23, 2014 at 10:30 am

        Played Illya Kuryakin in TMFU. United Network Command for Law Enforcement.
        Great theme song…

      • UncaChucks NinerPage said, on June 23, 2014 at 11:19 am

        Looks like Gazoo on the Flintstones.

      • UncaChucks NinerPage said, on June 23, 2014 at 2:02 pm

        Loved that damn show as a kid though. And, of course Get Smart.

        What was the Burgess Meredith one? He sat in HQ somewhere running spies all over the world.

      • blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 2:34 pm

        Burgess Meredith? I think you mean Leo G. Carroll if you are talking about Man From Uncle. Burgess Meredith did play a lot of roles on Outer Limits though (Mr. Dingle and Henry Bemis characters were great – where he played a timid weakling who gains super human strength and a bank teller who loves to read and only wants to be alone with his books – which he gets when the world ends due to nuclear destruction . . . umm, too bad his glasses broke though. LOL).

      • unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2014 at 4:43 pm

        It was Probe. With Doug McClure.

  9. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 10:06 am

    If Plan C fails with Panik, there’s always Plan D out there . . .

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/baseballinsider/giants-blue-jays-interested-mets-daniel-murphy-sandy-alderson-selling-blog-entry-1.1839862

  10. Alleykat said, on June 23, 2014 at 11:27 am

    The one good thing about that cap, it should have plenty of space for our own Bruce Bochy’s huge noggin!!

  11. Irish Kevin said, on June 23, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    Damn BF, I was looking for the “Joe Panik come on down” headline. Ha ha, anyway that is a great read Stickman. Dead on. I was talking to a friend about Panik and I was saying his will have his peaks and valleys for this year if they Giants leave him at 2nd for the rest of the year. Then next year I think the Giants should just give him the job like they did with Crawford. Everyone talks about how Sabean likes a good mix of vets and young players. Well IMO the Giants have that in their own players now and they do not need to go look for the Vet player anymore. Start bringing up these young guys and see what they can do.

    • stickman said, on June 23, 2014 at 2:04 pm

      Best thing about a blossoming Panik would be the seemingly incredible development of an all homegrown infield. This would signify that the SF scouting and development system is hitting on several cylinders. When the guys who do the planning and the legwork for the organization look to the field and see Belt, Panik, Crawford and Sandoval capped by Posey behind the plate there has to be a warm glow of pride.

      Perhaps the outfield will be the next successful project. Almost certain setback with Gary Brown and one of a totally different nature with Mac Williamson down for the season after Tommy John surgery. Would sure be nice to see him at least get his first cup of coffee in a bit less than 15 months. That would hinge on a breakout season at Richmond.

      The San Jose Five from last year and the rest of the mound magicians through the system seem to be in a bit of a holding pattern as they gradually adjust to the next level. At this point Ty Blach could be the first one to get the call as a probable starter candidate. There may be a filler candidate or two in the interim ~ perhaps somebody not having been considered a major serious prospect such as Jack Snodgrass. System is loaded with quality relievers. That will make BB15 happy ~ even if he would take the vet first.

  12. wswins said, on June 23, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    Starting in Cashner’s place will be right-hander Odrisamer Despaigne, who signed with the Padres in May and will be making his MLB debut.

    This is the 27-year-old Cuban’s first year in America. In seven starts between Double-A and Triple-A, Despaigne is 1-3 with a 6.03 ERA, 1.85 WHIP and 41 strikeouts in 31 1/3 innings. In his eight-year career in Cuba, he had a 3.65 ERA.

    San Diego will need to make a move to clear a spot on the 40-man roster for him.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 1:47 pm

      Decisions, decisions . . . The entire roster is fucked up – who do you choose to go down? :-)

    • Alleykat said, on June 23, 2014 at 2:32 pm

      Kid will probably K 10and give up 2-3 hits.
      Facing a new pitcher,we should be patience and take pitches but that’s not always are M.O.

      • stickman said, on June 23, 2014 at 4:51 pm

        Maybe Panik could give the vets lessons on selective swings. His walks and strikeouts are almost at par. Not too many of either. Contact. Good he’s a second baseman, not playing at a power position which caused a certain injured player to go through quite a few adjustments in style to meet expectations.

  13. UncaChucks NinerPage said, on June 23, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    Right. The new guys usua;;y do well, historically.

  14. wswins said, on June 23, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    Before Monday’s game, the Giants will have a brief tribute to Tony Gwynn.

  15. Flavor said, on June 23, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    the Padres SP is named “Odrisamer Despaigne”. That name sounds made up. My current favorite baseball name is Rougned Odor– plays for the Rangers.

    • stickman said, on June 23, 2014 at 4:53 pm

      A few years back we had Oddibe (close to that) McDowell. He pronounced it Oh dah bee but it ought to have been oddabee.

  16. Chipower9 said, on June 23, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    Really hoping to see a quality start and win for Cain tonight. Winless in his last four, it is time for him to begin turning things around in conjunction with the team getting back on the good foot.

    Love what I see from Panik so far. And while there has yet to be a line-up announced, I did read where Bochy said he would get another start tonight. Shit, unless he just flails and pisses down his leg over a prolonged period, the kid should get most of the starts so the team can see what in the hell he’s got.

    • Alleykat said, on June 23, 2014 at 3:20 pm

      As long as he doesn’t Panik and bone Bochy’s wife, he will get the starts Chi 😃

      • stickman said, on June 23, 2014 at 4:54 pm

        His head prolly isn’t big enough for that role.

    • snarkk said, on June 23, 2014 at 3:57 pm

      Since they brought him up, I see no reason not to start him for the next month until traded deadline. He shouldn’t be up to the bigs to just watch. They need to see what he can do. Unless he goes oh for 50 from now on, we don’t need to see Hicks or Adrianza much over this next period. We know what they’re about…

  17. UncaChucks NinerPage said, on June 23, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    Morse is back. Panik gets his 1st home start.

    Blanco – CF
    Pence – RF
    Posey – C
    Sandoval – 3B
    Morse – 1B
    Colvin – LF
    Crawfish – SS
    Panik – 2B
    Cainer – P

  18. Chipower9 said, on June 23, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    Good to see Morse back in the LU. Now to get Caballo Loco back in the OF.

  19. Nipper said, on June 23, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    Panik is batting just ahead of the pitcher as it should be despite those two hits. As far helmets for the pitcher why not just toss the cap for a beefed up bicycle helmet. Sure it’s not traditional but lets face it tradition is suffering anyway everywhere. Just look around sometime.

  20. snarkk said, on June 23, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    The thing about this LU with Panik is that the 6-8 holes are three lefty hitters in a row. Somebody has a good Loogy in the late innings could spell trouble there…

  21. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    It’ll be fun to hear the reception Panik gets.

    Off to the game, esteemed colleagues. . . .

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2014 at 5:17 pm

      Have fun.
      Your daughter and San Diggity’s son. Does that random encounter ever get old?
      Are Panik’s parents following him around now or did they go back to NY? They were able to pack up and come out pretty quick, maybe they’re flexible this Summer

  22. salty said, on June 23, 2014 at 5:29 pm

    Should be some nice heartfelt applause for Gwynn. Im looking forward to that. Class move by the Giants.

  23. zumiee said, on June 23, 2014 at 5:42 pm

    Admittedly, I don’t know much about the Royals. They seem improved this season. Hopefully they can give the Dodgers stiff competition this week. Salvador Perez went yard on Greinke. Cool.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 6:11 pm

      I follow them – they started off slow, but have really been hitting their stride recently. Butler and Hosmer weren’t hitting, but are now coming alive. Salvador is a stud and so is Gordon. Cain shows flashes of brilliance and Escobar is a very good fielding shortstop, that can steal bases (sort of their version of Gordon). Moustakas has done a face plant the last 2 years, with his BA barely above the Mendoza line. They have one of the best closers in the business (Holland) and a pretty good pitching staff, especially Shields.

      • zumiee said, on June 23, 2014 at 6:13 pm

        Thanks!

  24. salty said, on June 23, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    I don’t think there is any question Joe is here to start. Maybe sits against some LH’s but he’s the guy until he shows otherwise. Doesn’t come with the high expectations that dogged Belt, so maybe he’ll be relaxed and do enough to stay.

  25. Flavor said, on June 23, 2014 at 6:28 pm

    fake-o injury for Adrianza, he’s hitting the DL. Perez back up. Pagan hitting DL is coming.

    • zumiee said, on June 23, 2014 at 6:36 pm

      I doubt that Bochy would do it, but I wonder if he would give a thought to putting Pence in the lead-off spot. Then maybe Crawford #2. I don’t see Blanco as a good daily lead-off hitter. Against certain pitchers, sure, but not daily.

      • Flavor said, on June 23, 2014 at 6:42 pm

        Panik might get a shot, you never know.Pence should be batting 4th or 5th, all these solo HR’s are getting irritating….

      • zumiee said, on June 23, 2014 at 6:44 pm

        Yeah, Panik is an exciting wild card. If he can produce quickly at the major league level, then that really helps lessen the sting of losing Pagan for however long.

    • snarkk said, on June 23, 2014 at 6:54 pm

      I love the Adrianza DL move. Hilarious. Hey dude, you’ve just suffered a bad hammy, voila! — and, onto the DL — no “day to day” stuff for him. That says Panik will get an extended try-out, as it should be. Less pressure on Panik as he knows he’s got less competition for playing time for the next few weeks. Keeps Hicks for the odd PH situation needing a shot at some pop. Yeah, must mean Perez will be a body to take over a few days for a retro DL of Pagan…

  26. zumiee said, on June 23, 2014 at 6:56 pm

    You don’t see this news story everyday:
    “BERLIN (AP) — An American exchange student who got stuck in a giant vagina sculpture was freed by firefighters in southwestern Germany.”

    • snarkk said, on June 23, 2014 at 6:59 pm

      “To complete the rescue, the firefighters applied a giant tube of sensual strawberry Astroglide”…

    • pawliekokonuts said, on June 23, 2014 at 7:56 pm

      I actually retweeted that, with photo.

      • pawliekokonuts said, on June 23, 2014 at 7:57 pm

        well, not snarkk’s rejoinder

  27. snarkk said, on June 23, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    Giants normally don’t do well against totally unknown pitchers. But, seems this year they tend to take a little bit better ABs than in recent seasons. See this guy through one lineup turn, then start hammering him the second time through…

  28. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 7:06 pm

    Awesome tribute to Tony Gwynn made by Bruce. Whew . . . Going to miss Tony Gwynn.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:00 pm

      Lee Jenkins’s piece in SI was very good. Read it at breakfast.

  29. Flavor said, on June 23, 2014 at 7:17 pm

    Watershed game for Cain this year. If he can’t shut this shit offense down he’s fucked this year

    • snarkk said, on June 23, 2014 at 7:20 pm

      Well, Cain with a solid 1-2-3 start in the first frame, though that fly ball was a long one…

    • WilcoJoe said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:06 pm

      You called it. He’s fucked!

  30. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 7:57 pm

    Bums lost 5-3 to KC.

  31. pawliekokonuts said, on June 23, 2014 at 7:58 pm

    Speaking of poetics, tip of the poetic cap to stickman. Well played.

  32. pawliekokonuts said, on June 23, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    Dodgers just lost to K.C. It’d be swell to pick up a game. (Swell?)

  33. salty said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    Always a bonus when Greinke gets hammered.

  34. pawliekokonuts said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    Whoops. What was that about “watershed game”? It’s pouring crapola.

  35. Flavor said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    Cain has run out of rope with me…

  36. pawliekokonuts said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    What happened? HR overturned? ESPN went from 3-0 to 1-0.

  37. stickman said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    Red Alert on Cain. Time for Sabean to start serious negotiations for another starter. Maybe Matt will come around ~ and maybe not. Two reliable starters and three who knows whatcha gots ain’t gonna cut it.

    • chipower9 said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:12 pm

      Agree, Stick. I was all 2nd base as a priority a couple of weeks ago…but no more. They definitely need to get a top flight starter.

  38. chipower9 said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    The Baseball Gods giveth. The Baseball Gods take away. Dodged a bullet there. Need to end the damage at one run.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:14 pm

      …and then take away…or give; either way, these celestial forces are arrayed against us. Or Cain merely sucks tonight.

  39. salty said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    Bottom line…Cain stinks.

  40. willedav said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:12 pm

    Local kid Medica makes the replay moot. One of the few kids that is hitting for them.

  41. chipower9 said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:12 pm

    FUCK! Cain was a concern coming in. No wins in his last four. Getting LIT
    THE FUCK UP…and the carnage continues…WTF…

  42. James said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:13 pm

    An odd hypothetical: if the season ended tomorrow and you had to choose a number 3 starter for the playoffs, which of the three under performers would you go with?

    • blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:15 pm

      Great question. Me? I’d go with Timmy.

    • WilcoJoe said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:16 pm

      None of the above.

    • Alleykat said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:21 pm

      I go with Timmy as #3 James.
      Still a big time pitcher in the playoffs overall in my book.

  43. chipower9 said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:13 pm

    And come on…against the FUCKING PADRES…I am BEYOND frosted.

  44. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:14 pm

    Fortunately, the Giants are not only scouting Samarwhatthefucksmyname, but also Price.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:18 pm

      yeah, I retweeted Alex Pavlovic with a “Price is right. Plus, he poured champagne on Gio’s head [in Baseball's Starry Night]” — and Pavlovic blocked me for some reason.

  45. WilcoJoe said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:15 pm

    Cain is washed up. Lincecum and Cain, oh how the mighty have fallen.

  46. Alleykat said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:15 pm

    The one time a stupid Giant fan came to the rescue!!
    Clearly the umps fucked up the replay call. Don’t blame Bud Black for going ballistic and saying every BS fucking BS at those umps, that runner easily scores from 1st !
    Well doesn’t matter now since they got em back, shit Cain could of got out of that inning with just 1 run but nooooo…

    • blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:17 pm

      Umps delayed the inevitable. The idiot fan is still an idiot, but he is our idiot, so that’s something. lqtm.

  47. pawliekokonuts said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:16 pm

    I’ve got me a tech editing job due tomorrow. I’m out for a while. Check back later. Hope we get back in this game. Earlier this year Cain gave up 5, I think, and we won. Not Cain, but the team. I think.

  48. stickman said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:17 pm

    Worst hitting team in baseball and Cain gets lit up like Times Square. Imagine the ownership circle meditating on this particular sunk investment. The transition from Matt the Horse to Sugar Cain is not looking any too sweet and smells like the road where the horse has been trotting.

  49. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    Especially in lieu of what I posted this morning, i.e., Cain use to own the Padres – so yeah, something is definitely wrong with him. In MLB, it doesn’t take long. Look no further then Timmy and Verlander.

  50. WilcoJoe said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:22 pm

    At least Bonds looks good.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:24 pm

      WJ, he lost weight . . . Dude looks so good (especially, while he was giving batting tips to Morse), I bet he could help the Giants out this season.

  51. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:26 pm

    WTF’s up with Blanco? Pagan can’t get back soon enough.

  52. Manny said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    Damn, the Giants owe Cain at the minimum 67.5 million dollars after this year from what I get off of Baseball Reference. Could it be Zito all over.

    • Alleykat said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:02 pm

      67.5 mil for 1 win, not the best bang for your buck that’s for sure..

  53. salty said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:44 pm

    Velocity is still 93-94.

    • James said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:52 pm

      More 90-92 than 93. The 94 is once or twice a game very occasionally. The real mystery is that this has been true for several years.

  54. salty said, on June 23, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    Irritating they can’t hit this AAA filler.

  55. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:01 pm

    Sometimes Craw is lackadaisical on the easiest plays.

  56. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    OK, props for making up for it with the DP. :-)

  57. wswins said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    Gee I just got home reading all your comments…3 in 7 is not a bad start fellas….

    • blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:07 pm

      LOL . . . Umm, like wine, he got a bit better as the game went on.

    • James said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:12 pm

      It’s not a particularly good one, either, given that the league ERA is 3.67.

  58. stickman said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    Even though Blanco did slash that double Pence and Posey were hopeless vs this Cuban whatzisname. Offense really misses Pagan as the ignition system and Belt as the clutch hitter.

    • snarkk said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:07 pm

      Agree. This team’s offense stalls w/out Pagan. The HR parade has stopped, too. Cain just gives up the cripple HR way too often. As I predicted earlier, Giants doing their usual face plant against any starter they haven’t seen before, though other teams have hammered him. I hoped they would figure him out the second time around, but no cigar…

  59. snarkk said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    Grandal, the guy that his the homer, either had zero or 1 HRs coming into the game after 88 ABs so far. Not sure if the Padre’s site stats already grabbed tonight’s HR or not. Cain seems to have a habit of giving up HRs to guys that shouldn’t get one. At least Timmy gives up shots to Goldschmidt…

  60. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:17 pm

    Key the 3 Stooges music . . . Pffftt!

  61. snarkk said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    WTF is going on here? Defensive wheels coming off. Against the Padres? Horrid performance so far. This is seriously starting to look like 2013. They’ve got to stop this crap ASAP. Pissing away this huge home field advantage string of games…

  62. Macdog said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    Sorry, but I’m not a Jon Miller fan. It took him about two minutes to finally say the Padres scored 2 runs on that play.

    • snarkk said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:20 pm

      Yeah, he’s obviously starting to lose some sharpness. Kuiper, too.
      WTF is with Flemm? He was bcasting the Angels v. Rangers for ESPN yesterday. He gets to make extra coin to keep him happy with the Giants I guess…

  63. James said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:21 pm

    Pagan’s OPS when he went down last year was 688. The Giants had scored a shitload of runs without much from him.

    Like every other player, he is no better or worse than his numbers . . . .which aren’t really all that great this year.

  64. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    I question why Cain was even out there for this inning. Failing that, why wasn’t someone from the bullpen immediately available after Goebbert got the single off of Cain? Dumb IMO.

  65. pawliekokonuts said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    Not pretty. May I say it again? NOT PRETTY.

  66. James said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:35 pm

    Snarkk, the big — and only — difference between this year and last is that the pitching has been better because of Hudson, the bullpen, and the bottom 3 starters have not sucked as badly. The much maligned 2013 offense was scoring at the same rate as this year’s team through 75 games. The current balance between offense and defense may be enough to get the team to the playoffs.

    • snarkk said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:42 pm

      I’m talking big picture, James. This stretch of suckage is looking like 2013 from a results perspective. And, ugly looking games…

      • James said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:47 pm

        I always talk big picture, Snarkk. The rest is anecdotal bullshit.

      • snarkk said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:54 pm

        These games have a similar vibe as the cratering in 2013. Baseball isn’t just macro stats, it’s human endeavor…

      • James said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:59 pm

        At 162 games, all that human endeavor is nothing more than macro stats. Just like, say, the economy.

      • snarkk said, on June 23, 2014 at 10:01 pm

        Why go to games then? Just read the box scores and beat off to Fangraphs?…

      • James said, on June 23, 2014 at 10:15 pm

        There’s a difference between the immediate drama of the game and the judgments you make about why a team is successful, and any one player’s relative contribution to that success. I enjoy the fact that team chemistry is a completely and utterly useless baseball concept, while it actually makes a difference to the success of a software venture.

      • snarkk said, on June 23, 2014 at 11:15 pm

        James, I don’t know how we got to team chemistry and coding software, but OK, whatever. One can reduce a lot of human endeavor to statistics, and baseball surely is susceptible of that for analytical purposes. I’ve got an appreciation for stats in baseball, but not to the point where the big picture of stats renders secondary, for me, the drama of the game itself and the humans playing it. My point being, the main reason I enjoy baseball is the human part of it, the human story told daily over the 162. The story of the individuals and of their team, their failures, their successes, and my own perceptions of how that story unfolds. The daily baseball journey is what has kept my interest and love of the game for 45+ years as a fan, not the inexorable development of new statistical metrics that seem to be developed just because they can be — with all the game’s observational advancements we’ve made.

        When I was a kid, Apollo 8 reached the moon and first came around it in lunar orbit at Christmas 1968. The astronauts communicated back the first photos in human history, taken by humans, of Earthrise above the moon’s surface. http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/features/bm_gallery_4.html One could reduce that iconic, historic moment to appreciating the big picture combination of mathematics and engineering know how of NASA that pulled that feat off. Fair enough. Or, one could do what the astronauts did. In their own anecdotal bullshit moment, they marveled at and were humbled by their humanity and all of ours — living back on that beautiful blue orb floating in the cold, black desolation of space…

      • James said, on June 24, 2014 at 8:06 am

        Snarkk, leadership, intangibles etc. matter for the success of the space program; not so much for a baseball team. I love the fact that the national past time is the most individually focussed of team sports, yet winning is so clearly a quantifiable product of the marginal value each player brings on the field.

  67. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    Your full of shit James. So tell me, what’s your point about Pagan? Do you feel Blanco can do just as good a job? Or do you think Pagan is just a run of the mill ball player? How about the qualitative intangibles such as leadership, energy, and respect amongst his team mates? Oh yeah, they can’t be measured quantitatively, so that shit doesn’t matter, right?

    James, you seem like a bright guy, but you are occasionally clueless about baseball. Not the numbers – you know those like the back of your hand. I say this as a friend, the numbers don’t always reveal the full story about a player.

    • James said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:51 pm

      I didn’t say Blanco was as good as Pagan, Blade. Nor did I say he was not a good player.

      The beauty of the game is that it is all reducible to numbers. The complex crapola of the everyday can be dispensed with.

      • unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2014 at 10:54 pm

        Well, I disagree with that. Numbers don’t tel the whole story.

      • James said, on June 24, 2014 at 7:49 am

        The story often gets in the way of the reality the numbers represent.

  68. Macdog said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    What an absolute dud of a game. Losing at home to the dregs of the division is no way to win the West.

  69. snarkk said, on June 23, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    Well, they can still win the series. Have to shoot for that. Right now, a Cain start isn’t looking good. In fact, the only starts I’m not worried about right now are MadBum and Hudson. Cain’s inability to take advantage of that reviewed home run whose decision took two runs off the board was just devastating. Hopefully Huddy gets it back on track tomorrow. Bochy in pre-game said Belt should be going to rehab pretty soon, so things look on track for him to be back first week in July. Not a savior, but he should add a different vibe to the lineup…

  70. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2014 at 10:50 pm

    Well, that sucked large. I think San Diego’s horrendous batting average collectively went up 150 points. They had 4 guys batting under .200 at the start of the game, and only 2 by the end. Cain was lights out until he just left shit out there to be hit. 2-2 near HR, then when he has a chance to get out of it. 1-2 hanger for a double.

    If I see Blanco hit another lazy fucking fly ball I’m going to scream. He should be hitting everything straight into the ground. Drag bunt, put the ball on the ground. Put pressure on the defense. He can never consistently slap the ball through the infield or at least pressure the defense.

    Whoever Desplaieinein threw 85 pitches through 7 innings. He pounded the strike zone and looked very good. He was around 84. Cain was around 92 all night. It’s like early in Cain;s career when he’d get ahead in the count and throw a hanger get beat. For the most part he was all around the zone and getting ahead but, for all the strikes outs, 6 I think, still let them off the hook too many times.

    Major problem with Matty. I don;t get it I think it’s in his head. Once guys got on, he flailed.

  71. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2014 at 11:20 pm

    Awful game, but the tribute to Gwynn was very cool. Esp Bochy. They put Gwynn’s number 19 on the wall in RF. They had quotes from various Giants all night. Will Clark’s was cool. He said he got to be very good friends with Tony because he was on 1st base so much. , And they had a fairly recent interview with Gwynn recounting the chase between Gwynn and Clark for the batting crown. The last game of the year the Giants were playing SD, and Gwynn ended up winning the title with a base hit on his last AB, and Clark went out of his way to congratulate Gwynn when he got to 1st. Gwynn thought that was very cool, and said he had a ton of respect for Clark.

  72. DJLoo said, on June 24, 2014 at 4:35 am

    Snarkk’s 11:15 PM post is POTY stuff.

    • James said, on June 24, 2014 at 8:08 am

      It is The Right Stuff!


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