Well, whether it was the new BBOTD that put him over the top or just skill and experience, Timmy did what I didn’t think he would do: follow up his no hitter with a quality start. And man, we needed that. However it can’t just be “Tim for the Win” every 5th day. It’s time for more of his teammates to step up.
Normally, my confidence would be shot for a game like tonight’s against Wainwright. But I’m buoyed by the haunting afternoon haze of the newest BBOTD. The sun has set according to my dad, but as far as she’s concerned, the future is still brilliant and alive………
Someone needs to name her. Nominees go in the thread below…….
Well, whether the sun has set or not on the 2014 Giants season, we still have 80 games left to play, starting tonight v St Louis. And if you look at it that way, we either have plenty of time to right this sinking ship or plenty of time to tread water in the sea waiting for the sharks to come devour us–long one of my greatest fears. Is there a worse way to die? Maybe getting chopped up in a wood chipper? Anyway, I digress.
The Cardinals are throwing another pitcher at us that we know nothing about. Marco Gonzales who was their first round pick LAST year. He’s the first player from that round to make it to the big leagues and I don’t know about you, but I am tired of the Cardinals churning out dominant pitcher after dominant pitcher from their farm system.
Let’s light this fuck up.
The latest BBOTD, the one that I think holds so much promise, gets her first test tonight……..
I just took my “LostAgain” facebook profile pic down. It’s pretty hard to mock the Dodgers with that as my profile pic when we are the worst team in baseball. And we are. The shitty Rockies took 3 from us at home. Fucking San Diego took 2 of 3 and the only way we got even one W was the no hitter. And now the Reds, a good but not great team, sweep us in 4 IN OUR OWN FUCKING PARK!!!! It’s madness I tell you….
I think they need to go on the road, let the dudes get drunk together, miss some curfews, maybe bang a slump buster or two. But whoops, that’s not going to happen. We stay banished in “Hell’s Phone Park” for another series against the Cardinals who, for all their struggles, are a much better team than we are.
It’s times like these that I’m glad to be able to immerse myself in fantasy baseball and distance myself from the misery that is my home team…..
In these dark days, I turn to my elder statesman for guidance. Here’s the email I got from my dad this morning:
the tide goes out
the sun has set
I barely have the interest to change the thread. I can’t remember a worse homestand. I don’t think I can remember a worse June considering we had so many home games this month. No runs. No hope. No more Romo. Please. This Flapper’s dauber is down about as low as you can go…..
“We Don’t No Hit You, We Don’t Win.”
It’s probably too long to put on a sign and it doesn’t have the same ring to it, does it?
Leake was lights out and Cueto has shut pretty much everyone down this year. But now we are in a pickle as the possibility of getting swept (again) at home is a real possibility. Alfredo Simon has been surprisingly good this year. Matt Cain has been surprisingly bad. And then “No Hit” Bailey gets to feast on us again tomorrow.
If I’m coming across negatively, it’s because I’m reacting to reality. If our reality changes, I’ll adjust my mood and attitude accordingly…..
Like many Giants fans, I was at work during Timmy’s masterpiece. In the 6th inning I started rummaging around for that old radio I used to listen to the NLDC game vs Cincinnati in 2012. I couldn’t find it. Had a co-worker bring a radio in. It didn’t work.
So I called on the only other reasonable option I could think of: I left work.
I bee lined it to the closest bar about 2 miles away: The Dutch Goose in Menlo Park. They’re known for their deviled eggs which are devilishly delicious. I got to the Goose in record time but was devastated to discover that every single tv had the stupid World Cup game on. I tried to explain to a worker about the pending Timmy no no but there was a bit of a language barrier and I don’t think he cared much about baseball anyway.
I left the Goose but not before powering down this:
Not wanting to risk going to another establishment where my pull was limited, I headed across town to my buddy’s bar in Los Altos. Thankfully, it was the bottom of the 7th (a long inning) so I made it in time for the top of the 8th. As I enter I realized all was right with the world as every single tv had the Giants game on. No pull necessary except the bar stool I *pulled* out.
There weren’t a ton of people there so I had to make small talk with the patrons. Normally I hate that shit but all 6 of us had the commonality of the game so it wasn’t totally irritating. We made a few $1 side wagers. We promised to each slam a beer, in unison, if Timmy finished the Pads off. We never followed through on that promise….
After Timmy got the final out and we’d finished high fiving each other, one of the guys declared us “No hitter buddies!” I was in a reflective moment, and, quietly to myself, declared that kind of a gay thing to say. :) But it got me to thinking, I can remember everything about the other 6 Giants no hitters that I watched (or in the Count’s case, listened to). I remember who I was with, what we were eating, the color of the walls.
Around 4pm we all wandered away from the bar, and each other, likely forever. Six brand new no hitter buddies, off to live the rest of their lives separately, but bonded forever…….
WAR is one of those stats I observe but don’t really use to evaluate a player. For starters, it factors in defense and that’s not really on my radar when it comes to building daily fantasy teams. Secondly, I don’t understand how to calculate it and that’s another reason I’m probably cooled to it. Thirdly, what I do know about it I don’t like since I think it emphasizes defense too heavily and I think the sabermetric community has a LONG way to go when it comes to perfecting defensive metrics.
As I drove into work this morning, I was thinking about Pagan and his obvious impact on the team (both when he plays and when he doesn’t). Is there a player out there who defines “replacement player” better than Gregor Blanco? I decided to look up their WAR numbers and see how they compare. For those of you who know nothing about WAR, consider this: The WAR number tries to quantify how many wins a player is worth to his team when compared to a replacement player (ie, someone from the bench or the minor leagues).
In 2013, Blanco’s WAR was 2.8. Pagan’s was 1.3. In 2014, Blanco’s WAR is 0.4, Pagan’s in 1.7.
And then I looked at the wild splits the Giants have the last 2 years with Pagan in the line up and without him in the line up. And that’s actually a lie, I didn’t look it up. But I know the Giants are like 20 games over .500 with him in the LU, and significantly under .500 when he’s not in the line up.
So I’m gonna take the liberty and adjust Pagan’s WAR from it’s current 1.7 and bump it up to like 40.6. Sound good?
Imagine if the great WAR machine Mike Trout went down and he was replaced by a healthy Angel Pagan. Would that team go into the tank?
Just another way to look at it.
I changed out the BBOTD again. Dumpy only had so many wins in that ass. I went a little sideways with the current pic–kinda like how it feels this season is going………
I’m not going to look up that dude’s minor league stats (mostly because I can’t spell his name) but I recall some twitidiots saying he had a problem with control, walked a lot of dudes (also k’d a lot). So what do the Giants do? They go up like brain dead lemming hackers. It’s like they didn’t even bother to read a scouting report. Whatever, losing to that pathetic offense is inexcusable. And Matt Cain sucks. And the Giants have some “Desplainin'” to do….
Question for you all: Does anyone care if any Giants make the all star team? Are any of you voting? I could care less about the all star game. I’d rather have my team rest instead of engage in all that bullshit. I think I cared more about Giants all stars BEFORE 2010– it was the only way we really got recognized nationally. But after you win 2 world series in three years you stop caring about what the rest of the country thinks. The all star game, especially the home run derby, is pretty underwhelming for me at this point. Additionally, voting has become a joke. Back in the day, you earned your vote by going to the game and freezing your ass off waiting for the usher to bring you some punch out cards. I don’t vote these days but I think all you have to do is point and click from the comfort of your home. 25 votes max. Every day. Is that correct? If so, it’s lame.
Here’s how to fix the HR Derby: Fire Chris Berman immediately. And just make it one round. You get 30 swings. That’s it.
Stix wrote something last night that covers it better than I could. Here ya go:
Will the league figure Panik out? He strikes me as the cogitative type. Student of the game type. Into the culture and perhaps a bit of the magic already. Second Base is pivotally key to the poetry of an acute infield. Panik could be the homegrown fit. He more than fully realizes his role is not that of busting down the barn door. Today’s RBI double tells us he’s not strictly punch and judy. Does he choke up on the bat? Inquiring minds could almost envision this kid as cut out from the type of baseball which probably peaked in the 20′s, just at the time when Babe Ruth made the homer King.
Poetically again, Panik almost represents a mythological character. 2nd base has been a long-running sore for SF. Robby Thompson kinda set a pattern. He too was a bit of a throwback to a vintage form of baseball. Retro. That monicker would fit a playmaking, glove-flipping contact hitter who aims to hit em where they ain’t.
That’s my read of the new kid in town. Hope he hangs around for a bunch of while. Last couple times the Giants had a sparkplug playing and batting second they won all the marbles.
Course we don’t know for sure yet. Baseball tosses a topsy-turvy turn of events at the darndest times. But it is just possible that the keystone has just been set into the arch. Got a feeling about this kid. Steady Eddie Bressoud played for the original version of the S.F. Giants. Some players have a level of inner harmonics which has a positive influence on the entire rest of the team.
Sandoval, Crawford, Panik and Belt. Mark that down. That could be some infield.
Last night was sweet although my celebration is a bit muted with the ongoing Pagan back problem and the new oblique problem (that’s what it looked like to me) that Mcode38 incurred in an at bat last night. He’ll be off today and with Pagan set to hit the DL, we aren’t coming out of the injury woods, we are still wandering inside of them….
We can only hope that the strong powers of DumpyAss can shepherd us through this injury riddled season. She did her job last night and I expect her to dutifully perform again today…..
Panik start today. Should be a lot of fun for the kid as well as his family and his glove that, hopefully, finally arrived in Arizona…..
Not much to say. Closed door meeting did nothing. The fresh new BBOTD was useless. Another day, another loss. And Voggy leaves me wanting more….
But still….”Panik Time!!!!!”
Don’t get too psyched, this dude just has to be a little better than the shit-duo of Hicks and Adrianza. At this point in his career, he should be able to at least do that…..
The headline has nothing to do with the thread. I just couldn’t think of a good headline for today and “Planes, Trains and Automobiles” popped into my head and that was just a classic scene. I haven’t been able to look at a fountain since I saw that movie without thinking about those 3 damn coins…..
Today’s Giant related point:
With Casilla back and Belt on his way, the Giants look about as “whole” as they’re going to get this year. The obvious other “hole” is at 2nd base and Sabean has to do something about this growing problem. While I would prefer that he get Utley it is far more likely that he gets Gordon Beckham. This irritates me because the only reason he’ll target Beckham is because of money and I get irritated when one of the wealthiest teams in baseball tries to “dime store” their way to another title. I know that’s always been Sabean’s plan and maybe his hands are tied by ownership, but Chase Utley and Gordon Beckham are not really comparable.
But Gordon Beckham and whatever cobbled combo of Hicks/Adrianza you want to put together are not comparable either. So you pick up G-Beck and you’ve plugged in a competent big league 2nd baseman. An underwhelming 2 thumbs up from this corner……
The other hole is center field. I think we can now safely assume that Pagan’s horrible defense last week was directly related to this now ominous back injury that has required an epidural. As we know with these shots, the first one often doesn’t take and he’ll need a second one. And there’s a guy moving around Arizona rather gingerly right now who knows all about that.
If Pagan goes down like Scoots I don’t see much coming to the rescue on the trade front. Maybe a “Ben Revere”, something like that. Hey, he could get packaged into a deal for Utley and……nevermind.
I’ll start the “Gordon Beckham Come On Down!” thread now so I can just paste and plug it in when it finally happens……..
“……thrown by 3 hopeful lovers…you know this one? No?”
The Giants have lost 9 of their last 10 and now Kershaw is throwing no hitters for LA. It’s definitely grind time if you’re a Giants fan and now they get another day off. I’ll be sprinkling nails on top of my Frosted Flakes this morning….
Pagan has been sent to Arizona for tests on his back. You already know this. And this is ominous news……
It feels like this season is hanging in the balance, doesn’t it? How did this happen so quickly? Falling off the top of the world, Ma!
That was about as uninspiring as you could get. A day off to clear their collective head from the sourness of the weekend and they showed up flat. And what else can you say about Matt Cain? You can talk all you want about the win stat and how it doesn’t matter but we’re closing in on July and he has 1 win. That’s decidedly un-horselike.
And it doesn’t get any easier with Sale set to mow through our lineup. They’ve lost 7 of 8 and while we also had streaks of losing 7 of 8 in 2010 and 2012, this one seems to have a darker hue to it. But maybe I’m still just bent about those 3 unreal losses to Colorado…….
I’m not sure if Bochy could have filled out a shittier final 4 in today’s line up. Sale’s gonna strikeout 36 today
Do middle relievers ever get Cy Young votes? Holds are about the dumbest stat out there so I’m assuming they don’t. But Jean Machi is quietly putting together a set up pitcher’s dream season.
He’s given up 1 earned run in 31 innings this year. His ERA is a microscopic 0.29. But check out his ERA+. That’s his ERA adjusted to the ballpark. Average is 100. His is 1180. I decided to compare that to some of the great relievers of the past.
The Eck: His best ERA+ was 603.
Mariano: His best ERA+ was 316.
Bee Idiot: His best ERA+ was last year (562) but he only pitched 13 innings. His previous high was 2010 when he checked in with 217.
Greg Minton: His best ERA+ came in 1979 with 196.
I could do this all day and not find anyone with 31 innings who hold an 1180 ERA+.
That’s just incredible.
He has a 95% LOB rate. What? How could that be?
There are other stats that say he’s not having one of the greatest reliever seasons of all time. And he’s 32, I get it. But still, if the bullpen continues to waiver, it’s nice to know that Jean Machi is having a career year to calm the waters……
San Dawg had Gwynn sign this for his son many years ago. By the way San Diggity, I really enjoyed your post about Gwynn in the comment section of this thread.
One thing I never bought into: that our best record in baseball meant that we were the best team in baseball.
Another thing I’m not buying into: that we are so bad that we could get swept by the Rockies at home.
The only thing I really care about is that this doesn’t end up creeping into the minds of the players. They’re saying all the right things. “That’s baseball.” “Turn the page.” All that jazz.
I hope they really mean what they say.
None of it changes the sick feeling that we all probably have. Those were 3 galling loses. A day off with the team heading to Chicago is not what I need right now……
Everyone needs to continue to not freak out. Look at the FACTS. Romo hadn’t blown a home save in….18 hours.
Pagan is patrolling center field the way a homeless, schizophrenic man from the pier might do so….
Last night, I wondered if there was something in his personal life going on that might be contributing to his recent stretch of bad play. I watched the interview he did with the softball tossing scribes and he couldn’t have seemed more at ease with everything. Maybe that’s the right way to publicly approach it, I don’t know.
Pagan said the ball spun strangely and I’ll take his word for it. But it sure didn’t seem to be hit hard enough, even spinning unpredictably, to get by him. Like so many of his recent routes lately, I think he just took the wrong angle from the start.
He had the chance to redeem himself in the bottom of the 9th, he scorched a ball that unfortunately was hit right to Rutledge. And I don’t care what the mysterious man in New York said, he was safe. Tie goes to the runner.
But hey, that’s baseball, right?
Romo gas can’s the game and Flapper Nation mires in disrepair…..
While painful, I’m not really sweating that blown save. Henry Schulman pointed out (on Twitter) that Romo hadn’t blown a save at home in 11 months. For a closer, you take that all day long.
He then posted Romo’s career save percentage: 88.9%. For reference, the great Mariano Rivera will punch his first ballot HOF ticket with an 89.5% all time save percentage. All closers fuck up games in the career. If they fuck up a lot of games over a long career it probably means they were very good at closing (otherwise, they would not have had a long closing career, right?)
I think we are naturally a little biased against Romo and his frisbee slider. We think he’s gimmicky and are conditioned to want to see closers heaving gas with every pitch.
I was skeptical of Romo early in his career and certainly when he took over the closer job after Bee-Idiot got hurt. But he has more than proven himself to me. I trust him in any closer situation and, like him, want to see him out there sooner rather than later to put the ugly memory of last night behind us all as quickly as possible……
Two years ago today The Horse, Matt Cain, pitched the first perfect game in the entire 130 year history of the Giants baseball franchise, and only the 23rd (22nd at that time) perfect game in major league history.
I remember vividly sitting at my place in Diamond Springs with my son Zach as we watched the entire game. What a magic night in not only SF Giant baseball history, but in baseball history overall.
Here is a short video that encapsulates all 27 outs. Check out the catches by Cabrera in the 4th and 6th…not bad, but then check out Blanco’s dive for the first out in the 7th. It is nothing short of spectacular. And then Arias’ play at 3rd for the final out doesn’t come without just a little bit of torture.
Really happy that Huddy stopped the bleeding yesterday. There were way too many “not since ’75 have the Giants…..” stats popping up on twitter.
It’s “feast time” as the Rockies leave the comforts of their lair and are forced to play at sea level. As long as Timmy throws the ball in the general direction of Buster Posey I think we take care of business tonight.
Did anyone see Evan Gattis get hit yesterday in the 9th inning of the Rockie/Braves game? Dude, Gattis is a man-child. He got hit but the ball took the brunt of that collision. He stuck his nose down and headed briskly to first base, he knew what was up. I’ll try to find the video of that.
and, here it is. Gattis gets hit near the end.
These Nats are more than a little annoying. But there’s really not two ways to read this, they are kicking our ass, straight up. Outscoring us 17-6. And in our home park, that’s a little embarrassing. It could just be a bad stretch of games that all good (and bad) teams have over the course of 162. But it doesn’t seem to be a coincidence since it’s coming vs a team considered by many to be one of the top teams in the National League.
Today is a fairly big game. Getting swept at home in a 4 game series should not happen. We’ve got Huddy going up against someone named *Treinen*. So, we *steal* one, right?
Ugh, is hockey over yet? And now soccer is starting? Where’s the fast forward button?
Where were YOU 20 years ago today?
Another disappointing loss to a team that seems to have our number. At least we don’t have to play them in oppressive Washington heat but even with conditions more to our delicate liking, we are having trouble with them. Cain? We’ll see……
If you want to see an unbelievable throw, check out Cespedes from last night:
Not sure how this has happened, but the Tampa Bay Rays have the worst record in baseball. With all the talent they have on that roster? Wither Maddon? How could that team have THE WORST record in baseball?
Got any random Wednesday thoughts you want to kick around?
I was saddened to hear about the passing of Bob Welch. I always like him and that’s surprising since he played his entire career for the Dodgers and A’s. The 27 games he won in 1990 is burned into my brain for some reason. It seemed like a lot then and it’s almost inconceivable in today’s game. And it came in his 13th major league season. He never really did anything after that magical Cy Young year. Four seasons of mediocrity with his career finally ending in 1994.
Cause of death wasn’t announced, that’s usually not a very good sign. Ha, I guess any “cause of death” isn’t a good sign.
The Mets were cute but now a real team comes to town. Washington is hot right now although beating up on the punchless Padres is a little like, well, beating up on the bumbling Mets. Still, of you are a good team you take care of business against the bad teams and that’s what both the Giants and the Nats have been doing of late.
Strasburg vs Voggy tonight and it’s hard to be confident about this match up. But the way this season is going, we’ll probably win easily….
And I don’t believe that for a second.
Should be a fun series……
Chi posted a link to trade rumors involving Chase Utley. Of course, he would be the perfect fit in SF, the question would be the booty required to secure him. I don’t see Sabean pulling a big enough trigger to get an *Utley.* He’s a California boy though and he and his wife live in SF in the off season so you never know……
I’m hard pressed to remember a Giant who has ever more enjoyed being a Giant than this guy does right now:
The Mets are not very good. They bumbled the game away last night. But as Pagan said, you have to take advantage of your opponents mistakes. Advantage: Giants.
Regarding the Belmont Stakes yesterday: Kudos to DJ Loo who called out the owners as jackasses over a week ago. Yesterday, Coburn did a “slowburn” on national tv giving everyone a taste of what Loo had already told us about. People talk about winning all the time, how important it is, how great it feels. But one thing I learned at the youngest of ages was how to lose with dignity. Coburn and his cohorts showed they don’t know how to do that.
Did he have a point? Sort of, I guess. His trainer, Art Sherman, has been getting interviewed by Sam Spear every Sunday morning on KNBR for the last 12 weeks. I’ve caught most of those interviews and just 3 weeks ago Sherman was saying the same thing that Coburn said yesterday. Now, he didn’t say it in the loser way that Coburn did, but he was lamenting the fact that horses shouldn’t be allowed to skip certain triple crown races and target others. So I’m not sure if Sherman got it from Coburn or the other way around, but the connections for Chrome have been doing a slow burn about this for a while………
But here’s the deal, there are a lot of things about the triple crown I’d change before Coburn’s half-baked ideas. For starters, they should space the 3 races out to at least a month between each race. Maybe more than a month. I don’t want to hear about “history” and messing with “that’s always the way it’s been.” It has ALWAYS been irresponsible to force three year old still-developing horses to grind out 3 races in 5 weeks. It’s like asking a 12 year old to start lifting weights every day. Spacing the races out better would give the Derby winner (and/or the Preakness winner) adequate time to recover. I don’t have a problem with horses skipping races and looking for the best spots. If they’re laying in the weeds waiting for a vulnerable horse like Chrome, so be it. You can’t force a horse to run all three races, that’s ignoring the health of the horse and it’s the right of the owner and trainer to find the best race for each horse. Distance, location, current health and quality of opponent all factor into that. These animals only have so many bullets to fire in a career. If the connections for Tonalist thought the mile and a half Belmont was the best of the 3 races for them to try to win, that’s their right.
In summary, I see where Coburn is coming from, it’s a little unfair that a horse that doesn’t have the points to run in the Derby be allowed to run in the Belmont. But he looked like a loser ranting about it 5 seconds after he lost and the real issue is how these 3 races are stacked together, it’s not about the number of points a horse has or doesn’t have…..
Here’s a look at our first 10 picks in the 2014 draft:
Only 5 pitchers drafted in the first 10 picks. This disappoints me. All 10 should be pitchers, at least in the first 10 rounds. Use the final 40 rounds (or whatever it is) to supply your minor league system with depth. It’s a little early, but I’m going to call out Dylan Davis as a total waste of a pick. Same with Seth Harrison and Austin Slater. If you’re an outfielder, and you get drafted by the Giants, you should be so bummed. All your hopes and dreams, dashed.
The Giants are either the unluckiest team in the world when it comes to drafting outfielders or they have no idea how to develop them. Or they have no idea how to identify outfield talent. It has to be one of the 3, maybe a combo of the three. The odds are nearly 100% that if you get drafted by SF as an outfielder, your career is over before it starts. I’m waiting for one of our drafted outfielders to immediately switch positions upon finding out he was drafted by the Giants. Go “Jason Lane” on them. Most of these guys pitched in Little League, why not find out if ya still got it?
Because if Sabean drafts you, and you are an outfielder, you don’t got it. You so don’t got it.
As all of you have heard, the Giants drafted Tyler Beede (RHP) out of Vanderbilt yesterday. Rather than give you his stats, here’s an interview he did with a hot Vandy girl. The free style rap at the end is pretty epic.
To call Don Zimmer a “baseball lifer” isn’t doing much justice to the life of a lifer…….
Everyone knows who he was, everyone loved him. I stole this from wikipedia: he married his one and only wife (Soot. Come on, “Soot?” lol) at home plate before a minor league game in 1951. He started dating her in 10th grade, I’m not sure she knew what she was getting herself into. But if you’re a chick and your nickname is “Soot” you’re probably cool with getting down and dirty with the ballgame back in the 50’s. That reminds me of Jerry Garcia’s wife “Mountain Girl”. I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume both of these chicks didn’t earmark too many dollars towards razor blades……
He coached on the Giants staff in 1987. Maybe it was because that was such a magical year, but he seemed to be around SF a lot longer than one year.
Probably because he was always “around”. After his playing career ended (um, Zimmer stole 45 bases?) he managed 4 teams. He coached on 11. Most recently, he coached on the Rays staff for the last 10 years. Think about that, you just break off a clean decade like it was a piece of cheddar at the end of your 66 year career in a random gig like The Rays. I guess that’s how you get to 66…..
None of us will ever forget the bizarre mismatch between Zimmer and Pedro Martinez during a 2003 playoff game. I’m not going to give the link, it’s painful to watch. Pedro did nothing wrong there, in my opinion. You have some dude zeroing in on you, you have like half a second to recognize the threat, and then you just quickly decide to send him past you. Adrenaline is up. I don’t fault Pedro there. And Zimmer’s apology after the game was one of the most heartfelt apologies I’ve ever seen a baseball professional man make publicly.
Every baseball dugout should have a *Don Zimmer* sitting on it’s bench. And you’d think that there’s a million *lifers* who could do just that. And yet, I can’t think of another one who did it quite like Zimmer. One lifer. Gone today. Easy to honor.
Last night, Timmy was awful and there’s no way to defend that performance. Of course, it wasn’t too hard to predict, he’s always horrendous against the Reds (regular season). He’s never beaten them. For a guy with 93 wins and 2 CY wins, that’s almost hard to believe…..
At 17 million a year we should expect, as a bare minimum, better consistency from him. He was pretty consistent in May, better than that actually. His ERA was 2.86 for the month. But it’s hard to give that stat too much credit after games like last night.
As Giants fans, we’re conditioned to expect greatness from all starting pitchers not-named-Zito. Big Tim Timmy Jim is no longer *great* and he hasn’t been for some time now. But everyone thought Voggy was done a month ago and I don’t think too many of us are saying that now.
Timmy isn’t done. He’s not awful. He doesn’t suck. He’s like a lot of pitchers on every staff in the league. He’s average. And it’s hard to purge *average* from your pitching staff unless you want to go with a 2 man rotation all year long……
ps–you guys filled up the “walk down concert memory lane” stat sheet last night. Lot’s of great tales told and as Macdog said, “the comments far outweighed the game…”
In the clubhouse! I’m talking about IN THE CLUBHOUSE!!!!!!
Decent discussion at the end of the last thread about dicks in the clubhouse, Bochy’s success, Two-trips failures….
It does appear that the Giants made a concerted effort to go dick-free after the Bonds era ended. And whether it’s coincidence or not, that clubhouse castration led to two world series wins and the current best record in mlb. Going cold turkey on clubhouse dicks led to good things for the franchise….
I think Bochy and Sabean made the decision to go this direction because they’re old and they’ve earned it. After the years those two put in, they probably figured that fighting dicks in the clubhouse just wasn’t worth it anymore.
Two Trips hasn’t really earned that right. Sure, he played for many years and he earned respect as a player. But he didn’t earn that as a manager and I would argue that he’s got less rep on this side of the country than he does on the other side of the country. Throw in a team full of divas who are almost all set for life and you have the makings for Two-Trips not being able to change much in that dugout….
And I’m fine with that.
I’m a little late to the par-tay. Third inning, we are up 4-0. Dare I consider taking 3 of 4 from St Louis?
Who are these guys?
It’s almost as if Bochy is bored or something. Tired of merely winning games, now he’s trotting out line ups like this just to challenge himself:
If Wacha and the Cardinals can’t beat that motley crew it’s time to go back to the drawing board in St Louey.
A special treat: We get to see Oscar Taveras’ major league debut. This guy is the epitome of a minor league “crown jewel”. Super excited to get a look at him in his first game…….
The Giants have the best record in baseball and a team salary of 149 million. Correlation?
Cain makes the most at 20 million a year.
Timmy is 2nd at 17 mil.
One Hunter Percent makes 16.
Huddy is at 11.
Imagine where we would be if Buster and Cain started contributing…..
The truth is, Sabean has built this winning team with bargain basement investments. Morse is on a 1 year/6mil deal. Voggy 1/5mil. Romo: 5.5. Bumgarner is making 3.5 million this year. Jean Jean the Dancing Machine is making 500K. The list goes on….
Freddy Scutaro makes 6 mil this year and 6 mil next year. Can’t win ‘em all. But I’m starting to see the method to their madness with Scoots. They know he can’t play every day anymore, but if he can get his back to the point where he could join the bench and come in as a pinch hitter it will improve the quality of our bench dramatically. Think about how important it would be if we had a high-contact guy with great bat control able to come in and pinch hit late in a game. Scoots could turn out to be invaluable later this year……..
Grinding series coming up in St Louis and with no off day it’s go-time against Jaime Garcia tonight. I still remember a few years ago, it may even have been 2010, where we got completely shut down by Garcia. He pitched a complete game and I want to say he did it in 81 pitches. I recall being disgusted with our effort and venting long and loudly about it on the blog…..
And Garcia is arguably the EASY starting pitcher we have to face in St Louis. He’s a couple of starts back from torn labrum surgery last year. After Garcia, we *get* to face Wainwright, then Wacha, then Lynn. Actually, I guess Lynn is the weak link in that foursome.
The reason you don’t discount beating up on hapless teams like the Cubs is that you need those wins in the bank when you go on tough road trips like this one. I don’t see this series with the Cardinals as a measuring stick. I see it as something to survive, get through uninjured and move on through the rest of a long 162 game season.
Just don’t get swept, I’d consider that a victory…….
I know this ripping off the Merc blog post by Carl Steward but I was struck by it. I hadn’t bothered to grade Sabean’s off season moves so far but when you look at the guys he signed it’s really remarkable how they have all turned out: so far.
Anyone got a problem with those grades so far?
They say that’s it’s prudent to wait till Memorial Day until you take a look at the standings. Well, I’m looking at the standings and I see both the Giants and the A’s with the top two records in baseball. Mil-freaking-waukee is leading the NL Central. The strikeout happy Braves lead the NL East. And Toronto and Detroit lead their respective divisions in the AL.
Maybe we push that “standings look” out till July 4th this year?
Surprisingly, the Giants look most likely to stay atop their division all year long. They have the pitching (both starting and a solid bullpen) and the hitting (they have power up and down the line up finally). No one is having a career year but everyone is contributing and the team is doing it without the former NL MVP doing much of anything. Barring some catastrophic injuries, and Belt is coming back don’t forget that, we look to be in great shape to keep our NL West lead.
But it’s still not June yet.
Arguably the low point of the 2013 season: getting swept at home by the Cubs. I’m sure the Giants won’t be taking these guys lightly. I hope. This series is an excellent opportunity for the Giants to continue to rock and roll.
On Memorial Day, I’m remembering my dad. Here’s a photo of he and my Uncle Mel in Europe during WWII. It’s amazing this treasured family photo even exists. My dad and Uncle Mel, helping to defend our freedom to do things like watch baseball. They both made it safely back home.
Thought I’d pop one up there even though I’m not too partial to a new thought one way or the other. Not feeling real good about this one, Dozier and Parmelee are my picks for Twins who might go off tonight. But whatever, good luck Voggy…..
I had a long back and forth with a buddy at work this week about the best sports movie ever made. First of all, it’s almost impossible to pick just one. We battled over that for nearly a day.
Secondly, I discovered that your age will usually determine which way you go on “fav sports movies”. My buddy is about 12 years younger than me so he didn’t rank “Hoosiers” as highly as I did. I had that movie #2 behind “Let it Ride” which is in the top 5 of my all time favorite movies.
Feel free to share your favorites to pass the time if Voggy gets blasted tonight……
The team appears to have all lived through the weather from yesterday and have safely returned for a 3 game series vs…the Twins? Can someone explain why we’re playing the Twins right now? I’m not against inter-league play but the way the games are set up now it’s basically watered down the 2 leagues into something sterile and unemotional. Maybe that’s been Bud’s plan all along. With Houston going to the AL West a couple of years ago we now have everything in place for Bud to drop the DH on the NL in the not-so-distant future. I’m fine with it, I don’t think pitchers should bat. We’ve debated it back and forth so there’s nothing left to talk about and I believe it’s inevitable so there’s nothing to do now except “wait for it.”
But all things considered equal, I’d much rather face “the twins” on the BBOTD page than the baseball version that we’re going to see tonight. :)
Timmy tonight. He’ll probably get a couple of extra k’s tonight getting to face a helpless AL pitcher and least a few times. Despite the assumption that guys like Dozier and Plouffe are lefty mashers, the Twins actually hit righties better than lefties (.724 OPS v R and .668 OPS v L). The wind is blowing out to center tonight at 13mph so Timmy better keep the ball down if he wants the opportunity of facing that P 3 times tonight……
Functional hammy’s were on short supply last night at Coors Field. Still don’t know the severity of either but Cain and Casilla will likely miss some time. After the game, Bochy said he told Casilla not to swing and that he’s “never seen him run like that before.”
No one has. And no one should ever run like that again…..
I doubt that Casilla flat out ignored a direct order to not swing. Bochy probably advised against it or drawled out something like, “Shoot, don’t feel like ya hafta swing.” Something like that. In the end, Casilla did want he wanted to do—try to add to his already legendary batting status. Maybe the *joke* was just busting down the line like an idiot with no real chance of legging out that hit. Who knows. It’s done and over with. And while I don’t support him trying to leg out a hit in a meaningless moment, I understand why he did it completely. Baseball players are not the brightest bunch. Half their jokes are idiotic pranks on each other. Giving each other shit back and forth is part of the game. They find status in strange places. Casilla has found his nitch in his rare at bats. I doubt Casilla ever gets to bat again. Not because he sucks at it. Bochy probably knows that if giving another at bat, even after what happened last night and the lesson he should have earned, Casilla probably wouldn’t be able to help himself from doing something stupid again.
To me, this is another reminder of how dumb it is to have pitchers hit. They aren’t hitters they are pitchers. That’s the simplest reason ever for the NL to finally adopt the DH.
It’s probably the only way to keep relievers like Casilla from being idiots in the batters box or on a baseline…..
Bummer ending to what should have been a great win. Tyler Colvin sticks it to his old team in the top of the 9th, then Romo blows the lead and the game in the bottom of the 9th. I don’t know why, but it feels like a loss at Coors Field, especially a close one like last night, counts as more than one loss. Each game, in fact, feels like 2 or 3 games, right? Constant lead changes, a parade of pitchers, a huge outfield and just looooong games….
Weather in the forecast today, and with scattered thunderstorms (and possible lightning) I suppose we might have to own last night’s loss for an extra day. Seems SOP for Coors Field……
Can anyone explain to me what the big deal is with 3 guys being named “Brandon” on the same team? Marty Lurie invites callers to “weigh in” on this stupid topic all the time. Callers like to debate the “odds” of this happening and I get a kick out of there being such a wide range of odds set by the callers on this chance encounter. Now Alex Pavlovic is writing a story about it at his blog today. I don’t get the interest. It’s not like they’re named “DickSucker” or something truly unique. I know lots of guys named “Brandon”. It’s a normal name sans controversy. Anyway, I don’t get it. Maybe these guys do:
On to more important things. Colorado. The stadium the Sherpa’s built. Tonight two lefties face off, one of them good (ours) and one of them not very good (theirs). As usual in Colorado, I have no feel or idea for what’s in store. Predictions?
Jeff Passan is an idiot. He’s been gnashing his teeth about Bonds for years. He hates the Giants and I hate him. Total hack pussy as far as I’m concerned. But this article made me smile….
Considering how the Marlins have treated us behind the AT&T woodshed over the last couple of years, I feel fortunate to get out of this series with a split. No Belt, no Huddy, no Pagan (today)….all in all, a solid split.
Voggy threw a lot of off speed stuff today but he was throwing 91mph FB’s in the first inning and 90 mph FB’s in the 7th.He’s got a 3.62 ERA. I think everyone will take this considering most of the fan base considered him “done” last year and into the early part of this year.
And speaking of *done*, The Panda hit a bomb today and with an additional hit has catapulted his batting average to .220. If I’m Sabean and he keeps this up I break the silence and offer him 3 years/20 million. He’ll decline it but he’d probably at least think about it…..
That’s 17 games in a row and time for a day off. Coors Field awaits. I really like that the team is traveling there tonight instead of using tomorrow as a travel day. Besides the day off, it gives them a full day to acclimate. That’s important.
Which Timmy will we see today? Do we get dominant, pitching into the 8th inning with 11k’s Timmy? Or do we get 5 innings of laboring, casting-off-sliders Timmy?
Wind is blowing out at 14mph tonight….
It’s possible that this is just who he is now. No longer capable of dominant performances for 30+ starts a year, but able to hump up on night’s he’s feelin’ it.
This would not be a good weekend for Timmy and Voggy to lose their location…..
I was staring at the NL West standings this morning and I have to admit, this isn’t really adding up. To me anyway. 27-15? For a team that can’t hit and an under-performing pitching staff? And yet, here we sit atop one of the toughest divisions in baseball. If you had to list off the top 3 reasons for this unexpected start, what would your list look like?
1) team chemistry
2) rock solid bullpen
3) best manager in baseball
Of course there are other things. You might not even agree that those 3 things are contributing to playing .643 ball so far in 2014.
Whatever it is, I’ve come to expect wins. Put ‘em in the bank. See where we stand in September….
Yuzzie-Pet goes today for an ailing Huddy.
This is starting to feel like a “bad penny” year for The Panda. He was finally starting to hit a little, he even nudged his batting average over .200 for the first time I can remember. Then he has to exit with a big toe injury. It doesn’t sound serious but injuring your big toe, even a little bit, is a bigger deal for a professional athlete than it is for guys like you and me. This could set him back a few steps as he tries to finally get his contract drive going……
Miami comes into town today and I always feel like we play poorly against them. Maybe I’m just remembering all of the Ricky Nolasco beat downs we endured over the years. This Marlin team doesn’t play very well on the road and we should pad our lead in the West this weekend.
Sorry to everyone who has sent me pics lately, been too busy to upload them here or into the ‘bucket but I will get to that soon.
It was only a few threads ago that I asked “Is Buster Posey Afraid to Play Catcher?” It was a harsh title. But watching him jump out of the way of an onrushing Starling Marte I felt it was a normal question to ask.
Somehow, last night’s play at the plate was worse.
Last night was about one thing: lack of effort. Put simply, Jason Heyward tried harder than Buster Posey. That half-assed tag was like a runner failing to hustle to first base. It was like a runner failing to MAKE IT to first base and just peeling off the base line and heading back to the dugout.
After the game, Posey said, “You don’t expect a big guy to be able to move like he did.”
I reject this excuse. Posey has been playing Heyward in baseball since Little League. If anyone knows how athletic Heyward is, it’s Posey.
Another comment: “I thought I was in the right position. You don’t have time to think it happens so fast.”
I summarily reject this claim as well. Maybe he didn’t have time to *think* during the Marte play. That was bang-bang. But when Posey received the ball last night he had time to whip out a pair of binoculars and gingerly focus them on the distant, yet oncoming, Heyward. He had all day to *think*. As Heyward approached, he could have thought about a lot of things. And what he *thought* was that Heyward was just going to give up and run into the tag. Whoops. Heyward kept trying. Buster is the one who quit.
If you want to be a catcher you are going to have to engage in contact from time to time. You might even have to invite it. It’s part of the job. Whether Posey quit on the play (as he did last night) or whether he is now instinctive jumping out of the way (as he did last week) it is simply unacceptable behavior for a major league catcher.
I don’t think Posey will ever play aggressively. But he certainly can be expected to play assertively. He gets paid the most. He is a leader. And he can’t keep playing catcher like this…..