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Biggest Win of the Year….

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 5, 2010

I could be wrong about this, but by my count that was our 13th comeback win of the year. And when you come back from 4 down on the road that’s not worth one win that’s worth like 5 or 6. When you PROVE to your collective self that you can do something it’s likely that you will end up doing it again. Last year, d0wn 4 was a death sentence. Now? Hey, from here on out if if they get 4 down they’ll just strap those gloves on a little tighter and go to work……

And to think, the Giants pulled off this win without one of Krukow’s keys to the game coming to fruition: “Stay HOT Rowand”–baha, that *key* had me chuckling all night…….

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  1. gianthead said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Another ground ball from Posey….

  2. Michael said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    I love Buster as much as anybody but don’t make him into what he isn’t, Stix. He is practically the prototype for a high DP guy-RH, hits the ball hard, average speed.

  3. gianthead said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    And I am waiting for your defense of hitting Molina 4th tonight….baseball by the book states you put your best rbi/power hitter 4th. That aint Molina buddy…he has been shit for 6 weeks and you have said so recently. Uribe is the best rbi/power guy right now.

    Burrell is only goibng to get the occasional start, he is not going to be a cleanup guy. So why defend Bochy and this really non-sensical lienup even for a night?

  4. gianthead said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Twin, what did Posey do to you? Run over your cat? You go nuts defending the Renterias of the world, but for some absurd reason, you are more critical of Posey than others…go figure…

  5. Michael said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Fuck you, GH. Not EVERY ball is on the ground, but a high proportion of his hits are ground balls. AND his outs. Going into tonight he’d hit 13 ground balls in 23 AB, 6 for hits, 7 outs.

  6. Craig said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    When downs us ph for u in an easy RBI spot in the 6th and whiteside is replacing you, the writing is written in the wall in blood…

  7. Michael said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Even Pablo, with his terrible DP totals, hits the ball on the ground less than Buster, percentage wise ( 85 ground balls in 210 at bats). Again, fuckface, it’s not dissing Buster, it;’s putting to ruin the idiotfuck idea that he is less likely to hit into DPs than others.

  8. gianthead said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    But his “ground balls” are going into the holes where they aint…a plus .450 BA for the start of his career is not something to just discount as soem lucky rookie groundball hitter…again, why did it make sense for Bochy to hit Molina cleanup tonight? It is almost as Bochy just siad, “Oh Fuck, we came back to win last night, I am just going to try something different and see if it works.”

    That doesn’t seem like a winning strategy to me….when I came home and saw this lineup it was like we had already lost the game without trying…plus it would seem to make sense to me that we actually get Posey behind the plate for once…I recognize Posey was born to hit, but not born to play first base..

  9. Michael said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Downs did not PH for Bengie, Bengie was already out on the double switch. All of you: PAY ATTENTION.

  10. ferrethead said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Buster – behind the dish!!! (Not sure how I feel about going to our 3rd catcher…I guess Panda’s still available)

  11. Craig said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    The only thing I fault boch on his Molina in the 4. why do that I’d you’re going to ph for him with freaking downs in the 6th inning. Unless he got hurt it something

  12. gianthead said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Flav, you may have missed it, Molina got pulled in a double switch in the 4th…pulling Molina then may mean more than anything else…Downs was pitch hitting for Bautista…

  13. gianthead said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    pinch hitting that is…

  14. Craig said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Perfect time to move posey ti catcher I love it

  15. ferrethead said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Excellent pitch-calling by Posey! (sarcasm font not available…)

  16. gianthead said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Ferrethead, I may be confused on your point about Posey. You dont want him catching?

  17. Michael said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Buster is not Rod Fucking Carew. Grounders finding holes are lucky, just as NOT finding holes is unlucky. He’s a fine young hitter, not God. Pointing out the facts should not cause you so much dismay, shitzhead. Fact: he hits the ball on the ground a lot.

  18. gianthead said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Can Posey be a Rod Carew??? You automatically say no and he has had what 25-26 ab for his basic career? Seems like you are being compeltely presumptious..can he be a .330 hitter with high OBP for a career. Who knows, but I like what I see. It seems like you are putting a different standard on him.

    Posey is not going to be a guy who carries a team offensively, Panda will still be our premier hitter (otherwise we are fucked) and likely #3 hitter. If you are moving Panda down in the order, it sort of makes rational sense that the next best contact hitter is Posey and he should then hit 3rd.

    Anyone want to wager where Posey hits tomorrow if Panda is not hitting 3rd?

  19. gianthead said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Molina 3 rbis in the last 34 games, so he is on pace for what 30 rbis for the entire year…but Bochy thinks he should cleanup tonight! Call a spade a spade and agree it was a dumb decision…

  20. delmardennis said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Since when did Lon Chaney Jr. become a member of the Giants bullpen?

  21. gianthead said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    oh well…let’s come back with a win tomorrow and go into Cincy with some steam…I would like to see the Bum pitching get away day in Cincy…

  22. Michael said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    GH: you don’t dictate what I post, motherfuck. I have posted previously that Posey should be taking over catching duties when Rent returns ( if that’s complicated for you,I’ll explain it later). As to Carew, the reference, fuckwaffle, is that Buster is not a guy who can *guide* a ground ball yet.

  23. pickledgringo said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    GH – give it up. TF will debate you until you go blue because he can never be wrong or questioned. What makes me laugh is the constant rationalization/justification based on the numbers most expedient to defend his argument.

  24. TedSpe said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    Michael doesn’t need anyone to come to his defense (we all know that) but I get frustrated reading this shit as well. He said Posey isn’t Carew and it got twisted into him saying Posey will never be Carew. Argueing just for arguements sake is exasperating

  25. Michael said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    PGFuck- stay out of it. I give relevant numbers which you hate because you are an ignorant fuck. Facts are the enemy of the ignorant.

  26. Michael said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    This starteed with a simple, indisputable motherfucking fact: that Posey hits the ball on the ground a lot. I wasn’t knocking him.

  27. pickledgringo said, on June 5, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Staying out of it now – thank you sir.

  28. TedSpe said, on June 5, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Fuck

  29. delmardennis said, on June 5, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    I hope his mother gets hit by a streetcar. Fuck!

  30. Michael said, on June 5, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Wow- went down in fucking glory…

  31. delmardennis said, on June 5, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    How the fuck did he catch that?

  32. Michael said, on June 5, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    “How the fuck did he catch that?” He has no idea.

  33. delmardennis said, on June 5, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Burrell-Rowand-Torres, Huff back to 1B and Buster catching would be my guess for tomorrow.

  34. blade3colorado said, on June 5, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    Flav, is “Possibly Related Posts” a new Flapper blog feature? Umm . . . I’m not absolutely certain, but the wordpress.com blog developers need to tweak this feature just a bit more, e.g., tonight’s related baseball Flap posts include:

    Maybe I’m the One Who’s Wrong (Something about “guitar worship”)
    Brady wins Comeback Player of the Year (Yes, that Tom Brady)
    It Really Don’t Matter (another God squad blog).

    Now, back to your regular programming . . . Go G-Men!

  35. TedSpe said, on June 5, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    Well, it does say possibly…

  36. stixwiz said, on June 5, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Team showed a bit of spunk there in the ninth, even though the saviors, Burrell and Posey both struck out. Nate had a very nice AB as the last available position player for the PH role. Pen was solid. Torres made another statement that he’s an everyday ML leadoff man. Team has probably lost confidence in Wellemeyer and it showed bit by bit as they made up half the runs they were down. Of course, this was Octavio Do-Tell they were facing in that last inning, not Mariano Rivera. Lineup shuffling likely to go on until RentMan returns, maybe even a bit longer.

    Question i posed earlier now becomes even more germane: Will the PTBs in team management call up Bumgarner to face the Reds in their playpen or will Wellemeyer be trotted out once more as designated human sacrifice to the Bandbox gods by the Ohio River? Ideally, he should start at home against Baltimore to give him a decent chance at a W.

    The answer may come tomorrow. Timmy’s opponent Ross Ohlendorph is also troubled with command and control problems this season. Game could be messy if Lincecum doesn’t get back on track. If the Giants do not take Timmy’s game, whether he cops it or one of the relievers gets it, my take is that MadBum gets the call for game four in Cincinnati. A Giants win tomorrow and perhaps management feels Wellemeyer can be the probable sacrificial lamb come Thursday.

  37. ferrethead said, on June 5, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Fighting until the last out – Excellent! However, we cannot afford to write off every road start by Wellemeyer… Let’s hope that Timmy brings the good stuff to the park tomorrow…

  38. TedSpe said, on June 5, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Well, at least the Pirates don’t seem to have the Giants under some kind of a curse anymore. I guess. But these comeback games are entertaining

  39. Michael said, on June 5, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    If Tim pitches well tomorrow and they win it, a very satisfying series ( Tim pitching well being #1). Wellemeyer will not start Thursday. If it isn’t Madison, it will be Joe Martinez.

  40. wswinb4igo said, on June 5, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Urban is right…I was listening to the broadcast, and from the call by Flemming, I thought Franchez hit it out…saw the replay of the catch, Milledge was in shock. The ball was hooking so late..

  41. Nipper said, on June 5, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    Yes, Lincecum is do for a strong game. I really pray he’s ready to do battle. Bochy has his challenges and getting Pablo and Timmy back being productive and feeling good is a skill he has within him. I believe in Bochy. I think he’s challenged daily by putting out productive lineups. You guys badmouthing our manager without fairness shows how stupid fans can be sitting behind a keyboard.

  42. bigflavor said, on June 5, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    This was probably the easiest loss I’ve tolerated in a long time. Amazing ending snatched away by the forces of luck and skill. I love the heart this team is showing these days……

  43. Michael said, on June 5, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Geren just walked Morneau intentionally in a tie game in the 9th-with nobody on, one out. Twins ran for Morneau with Hardy who just scored the go ahead run… Bochy wouldn’t get out of the stadium alive if he pulled that shit..

  44. mrmrbill said, on June 5, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Well that was lovely. Thought the notion of “5th Starter” is now standard op. procedure, wondering if we should be the vanguard to suggest “5th-Home/5th-Road” starter. Regarding the k-zone or even the mound itself, if it’s not at 3rd and King, then it’s not “Wellemeyer” … it’s “Wellemighbehere” … or not.

  45. mrmrbill said, on June 5, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    And if “5th Road Starter” uses up the BP too much … give ’em Nate. He does have an arm and couldn’t throw it any worse from mound to plate than “WelleImOntheroadstrikesmeybehere”.

  46. Michael said, on June 5, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Cute, Bill. But they’ll go the conventional route and bring a real pitcher up πŸ˜‰

  47. bigflavor said, on June 5, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    wow, did Geren really do that? Largely, I ignore A”s games because they are simply too boring but if Geren is going to keep doing that shit I’ll start watching. Good stuff. Geren will be the manager of that ignored team for as long as Beane rides his stairmaster…..

  48. Michael said, on June 5, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    Yep, and it was the winning run..

  49. bigflavor said, on June 5, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    twin, gonna send you an email.

  50. Michael said, on June 5, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    OK.

  51. mrmrbill said, on June 5, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    Thx, TF. If I recall correctly from earlier this year, you were hoping for an 11 pitch staff instead of 12 anyway. And we’ve had outfield crowding anyway, though some injuries have changed the structure a bit (sfgiants.com still has Huff at 1B on active roster?). And, it doesn’t change the 25/40 roster. So Nate’s a natural. And if you just really really hate the idea of Nate, but still the 5th home starter + 5th road starter makes sense, then … well, even my GF is better than Wellemstrikesmuybesomewhere. She’s in Poland, loves the Giants, can still hit the plate, and she can’t even pitch but you oughta see her box.

  52. mrmrbill said, on June 5, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    Hmmm … I meant that as verb, not a noun. oooof.

  53. DaddyO said, on June 5, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Dodgers just gave up 7 in the 7th. Still only 1 out with 1 on.

  54. DaddyO said, on June 5, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Oh, GIDP. Still 7 – 2, bottom of the 7th.

  55. stumillersgust said, on June 5, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    That 7th inning in LA is like Pepto Bismol for my stomach. The upside to the loss tonight is that it’ll probably be Wellemeyer’s last start on the road. They should try to give Bumgarner a start in Cincinnati where his bat will come in handy.

  56. mrmrbill said, on June 5, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    Dodgers will be a fart in a thunderstorm in 10 weeks. G’s biggest issues will be CO and that pesky “south of LA” team (?!)

  57. mrmrbill said, on June 5, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    Wellemykzone won’t get released before Jun 22.

  58. zumarust said, on June 5, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    Someone on KNBR (Urban or Lurie) made a pretty good case for the Giants bringing up Martinez for the next Wellemeyer start in Cincy, and then bring Bumgarner up for that spot in the rotation at home against Baltimore. It would give Bum a good way to start the season, at home against a weak team. And then Welle becomes a long relief guy.

  59. DaddyO said, on June 5, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    Not enough hitting for the Padres is starting to show up in the standings. They could be third or fourth place in a couple of weeks.

  60. zumarust said, on June 5, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Bum starting the season at home against Baltimore would also pump a lot on interest into that game, and help draw a bigger crowd, and turn it into a real high-interest event.

  61. mrmrbill said, on June 5, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    They’ll give him one more road chance to fuck up against CIN on Thu 10. He’ll then get another home start against … the Oriolemuycarambes?! Which should be like shooting fish in a barrel in a Thai strip joint. Then on 22, it will again be the Thai strip joint, because Houston is so past their sushi freshness, but the little park will play out against him. And about that time, MadBum will have gotten stuff under his belt just going into the AS break that we can try him out of a bit … keep ‘im, send back down, whatever….

  62. mrmrbill said, on June 5, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    And that, my friends is your LazyBoy armchair GM “Play of the Game”. When it’s time to make a change, let a few pre-AS games go by and … recline! Never call up today what you can tender on July 31. Your mileage may vary. Some assembly required. Offer valid in 34 US States except NY, FL, MS, KS, TX, AZ and some states who do not have baseball teams such as WY and NC. Action figures sold separately. Batteries not included. Please consult your doctor for an erection that last longer than four hours. Consult your nurse if longer than six.

  63. zumarust said, on June 5, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Wellemeyer cannot make that start, Mr. Bill. It can’t happen. It just can’t.

  64. zumarust said, on June 5, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    Someone mentioned that Fred had a big sac bunt to help Toronto win in extra innings today. That’s cool, but what got left out was that Fred was 0 for 6 in that game.

  65. mrmrbill said, on June 5, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    Which one, Zum? CIN, BAL, or HOU? I bet he makes two of three.

  66. stumillersgust said, on June 5, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    Starting Joe Martinez a couple of times makes sense. He’s putting up good numbers in Fresno, might as well see if he has any trade value or if he could replace someone in the rotation who does.

  67. Unca Chuck said, on June 5, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    Everyone wants to write the Pads off, but they are what the Giants are supposed to be, but just a little better. Their pitching has been outstanding, and they’ve hit enough to win games. Their BP is better than the G’s. Will it last? Who knows? But last year the Dodgers were supposed to fade because of their pitching, but it got them to the playoffs. Waiting for other teams to fade isn’t the best way to tryi and win the division.

    Point being, THIS team needs to be more consistent. Getting Timmy on track would play a big part of that. If Timmy has another poor start, it won’t bode well. And might expedite getting Bummie up here and moving Wellemeyer to the pen. If our number one guys is scuffling, the rest really need to step it up. And they have, for the most part, but Wellenhead’s Jeckyll/Hyde act home/road needs to be just laid to rest.

  68. Unca Chuck said, on June 5, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    Speaking of Posey, has he elevated anything? The hits I’ve seen seem to be grounders or liners. I don’t even recall any fly outs.

    Glad the guy’s hitting, but I’d love to see some more power. Looking at his hitting chart, he’s got 2 fly outs in 27 ABs. If they could teach Eugenio to hit like that, he’d be batting .320.

    I guess it’ll come with experience.

    Anyhow, long day. Daughter # 2 just graduated and is on her way to SF State soon . . . yikes . . .So, by the time September rolls around, both my daughters will be meeting up and going to games without me . . . that’s a drag . . .

  69. xootsuit said, on June 5, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    I thought the most encouraging thing about the nearly complete comeback was Freddy S’s role in it. He’s been hitting well, playing very good 2B and running the bases full tilt. Amid everyything else going on — Posey methodically, but mildly, spraying singles and doubles around, Pablo spraying nothing but spit around, Burrell’s call up, etc., etc. — it’s easy to overlook Freddy’s great play. I sure hope those knees hold out, because he’s pushing them hard.

    The Franchez drive to LF that ended the game was a blast; the play on it was amazing. I sure didn’t expect inspired play like that from Milledge. But the six run hole the Giants found themselves in after Wellemeyer’s work is the real story there. Anyone can dig a hole like that. He needs to be gone. With a decent starter on the hill, the Giants probably would’ve won this game.

  70. mrmrbill said, on June 5, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    Unca Chuck re: “…that’s a drag…” No, you can still meet up w/ them and hit some games. What will be drag is if they show up on this blog and start arguing LU’s, SP’s, Hit-Run plays, GM stuff, call ups, against you. Though I’m sure they’ll still be polite! πŸ™‚ But if they say something like “fuckwad”, it could just be that they’re getting into the spirit of the game. πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

  71. mrmrbill said, on June 5, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    And yes, Posey has been doing better than the reflection you have posited.

  72. Unca Chuck said, on June 5, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    Yeah, Bill, it’s still just strange watching them grow up and leave. 19 years seems like a long time, but, shit, it went by in a flash . . . They ARE dyed-in-the-wool Giants fans though, so I’m glad about that . . .

    I haven’t seen a lot of Posey, but I don’t recall anything really jumping off his bat.

  73. xootsuit said, on June 5, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    Posey’s popped out a time or two, I think. Otherwise, he hits grounders and low liners. So far. He’s very still in the box, very consistently precise. He seems to have an excellent eye for the SZ and, so far, he has been fooled by ony a few breaking balls, and those that he swung at were over the plate, but diving down, not low and outside stuff or back foot stuff. He’s something of a machine. A good one. But will he loosen up and use his strength, drive the ball when he gets the chance? Not to pound the same note over and over (of course, that’s exactly what I’m doing) watch Freddy at the plate. He has great bat control, fights off tough pitches, lays off bad ones, etc., but when he gets a fat one his swing is huge for such a small guy. I hope we see some cutting loose like that from Posey, eventually.

  74. eddacker415 said, on June 6, 2010 at 4:09 am

    waiting for the new posts, today’s game in 6 hours and then a monday off.


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