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Tonight is a Very Interesting Match Up….

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 23, 2010

Last Winter we spent at least half a thread discussing who was going to have the better year, Dirrrrrty or Edwina Jackson. I was firmly entrenched in the “Dirrrrrty Camp” and if you look at their stats it’s obvious that he’s out-pitching Edwina.

7W/6W

109K/97K

3.42 ERA/4.96 ERA

1.27WHIP/1.47WHIP

opponent BA–.215/opponent BA–.268

I still love that AZ gave up their best pitching prospect for him. A dude who is, arguably, having a better year right now, not to mention all the years from here on out. But I digress…..

There’s a MERC story out there saying the Giants are going to be limiting Bumgarner’s innings. No surprise at all, everyone is doing it. Toronto just moved Morrow back a week trying to accomplish the same thing. It’s not even arguable, this is the right move. I just don’t want to see Wellemeyer be the guy who *spells* him. I really don’t care who it it as long as it’s not him. “ABW”……

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  1. TedSpe said, on July 23, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Eddie Cicotte

  2. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    They’ll probably let him go to 175-180 IP, that’s about another 60 innings or 9 starts. It’s hardly as if they have to alternate with Wellemeyer. We’re talking about giving Todd 2or 3 starts,ferchrissakes.

  3. delmardennis said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    And as we all know, that’s 2 or 3 too many.

  4. dirtnrocksnreno said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Twin, if the club has an eye towards the PS don’t you think they would increase that ratio.

  5. irishman5574 said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Well, listening to the way Kruk talked about Bum, the guy is pretty good size in the chest and shoulders. So why limit his innings. and Zum, you are right about some guys in those era’s not being able to pitch like a Marichal or a Koufax et al. but those are your throw away guys. If Bum is truly just a 5th starter and management does not see him say taking Zito’s place and moving him up in the rotation. then why not use him up now get the best out of him while he is young. There are all kinds of arguments for limiting him or not.

    • JBat said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:26 pm

      And Koufax’s arm near fell off and he was done at 30.

      • irishman5574 said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:44 pm

        There was no such thing as relief pitchers in those days, starting pitcher could be losing 8 – 0 in the 3rd inning and he pitched till the 8th, what is your point? Koufax and company, 20 Complete game winners. Not just 2 or 3 a year, that was every year.

      • JBat said, on July 23, 2010 at 2:08 pm

        My point is that Koufax generated tremendous torque on his arm and he threw a lot of innings in his career, with a high of 335 in 1965. And there were no relief pitchers in that era? You may want to double check your facts

        As for CG’s, you are right, he had 27 in each of his last two years. And like I said he badly damaged his arm to the point where his elbow was deformed. You don’t put a reliever in when you have a once-in-a-generation talent on the hill.

  6. alleykat said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Give the 2-3 starts to Martinez and use only Wellemeyer in blowout losses in relief.

  7. max808 said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    I get the feeling this is a debate that will continue well into next yr depending on the results. If Wells gets lit up at home or Bum’s arm falls off, it’s a subj ripe for second guessing.

  8. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Bumgarner pitching in the post season is NOT an issue now and should not be an issue now. And if you think they are considering bumping Zitboy for MadBum , you are fucking Pickled.
    The team has not been in the PS since, what,2003? And we have people worrying about how they’ll do if/when they get there? Having Bummgarner available to be pitching in September in a drive for the PS is the issue.

  9. dirtnrocksnreno said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    I’m not suggesting Zito take his place. Maybe just skip or sub for more that 2 or 3 starts. I agree that you want him available in September for a PS push.

  10. max808 said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Wouldn’t want a tired Buster in Sept either :). I would guess he needs a mental break as much as a physical one.

  11. alleykat said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    In an odd bit of news,Brian Sabean has been given the green light to acquire David DeJesus by the Giants medical staff even though they not received any medical records regarding the players recently injured thumb.

  12. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Everytime a guy sits for a game, we have fucks acting like it’s the Dawn of the Dead. I’m just praying for a LU that’s fucking hated tonight. They’re the only ones guaranteed to fucking WIN..

    • TedSpe said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:30 pm

      Good reference

  13. delmardennis said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    What’s the object of this year? Make the post-season.
    How do you make the post-season? Win more games.
    How do you win more games? Start your best pitchers.
    Who we gonna start? Wellemeyer.
    Oops.

  14. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    In an odd bit of news, a player in the major leagues was injured last week and no reference was made on the Flap to the Giants’ medical staff…

  15. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Dennis, how do you have time for your Obama assassination plans if you’re posting here?

    • delmardennis said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:39 pm

      Subcontractor

  16. 3bagger said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    For those that are (or at least were) interested in DeJesus, Baggerly was on the radio earlier saying that the Royals were asking for more than a Sanchez or even Bumgardner.

  17. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    “There are all kinds of arguments for limiting him or not. Not one *argument* has been presented as to not limiting him. Young pitchers are watched more closely now than they were oin the 50s or 60s because we nopw know that arms DID and do wear out. Astounding that the same fucks who were ALL OVER Bumgarner’s reduced velocity last September are arguing to repeat it.

  18. delmardennis said, on July 23, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    OF David DeJesus out for the year with a complete ligament tear in his right thumb. Surgery set for Monday.

    He’ll be in a Giants uniform by Tuesday.

  19. zumarust said, on July 23, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Dirt, there’s been a lot of great baseball books published. I highly recommend “The First Fall Classic,” a book about the 1912 World Series, which is considered by a lot of folks to be the first great World Series. The Giants lost to the Red Sox in that Series. Mathewson was one of many interesting characters from that season. It’s cool to see the many ways that the game was very similar to now, but of course, there are differences, also. But also cool to read how baseball impacted the culture. There was a time when baseball was the #1 favorite spectator sport in the U.S. Those days are gone now.
    Also would recommend the Willie Mays biography. It’s full of interesting stuff about Mays and the Giants, and baseball in general.
    The book I alluded to a lot, “1921” is full of interesting stuff, although the authors’ writing style is a little dry.
    I’m very fond of David Halberstam’s book about the 1949 season. He was a terrific writer, who died in a car wreck in the Bay Area a few years ago.
    And a must for all baseball fans is Bouk’s “Ball Four.” It’s probably the best baseball book that an ex-player will ever write.
    Well, there’ve been a lot of great baseball books over the years. Many that I haven’t gotten to yet!

  20. alleykat said, on July 23, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    I would now offer Mark Derosa for David DeJesus. One flopping tendon wrist for one ligament tear thumb.Both ready to go next year.Sounds faur enough.

  21. JBat said, on July 23, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Zum, Ball Four kicks ass. I couldn’t put that one down. And I think it was Jim Bouton who penned it.

    • zumarust said, on July 23, 2010 at 2:28 pm

      Bouton, right! Where did I come up with Bouk? Must have combined his name with Ralph Houk, who died yesterday.

  22. JBat said, on July 23, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Has anyone noticed how some of the posts are going up out of time order? Weird.

  23. Unca Chuck said, on July 23, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Worrying about the 5th starter, Dennis, is just looking for a reason to be pissy.

    Fucking Wellemeyer is BETTER than a ton of 5th starters out there. 2 starts by him won’t kill their chances.

    Stop bending your biscuits over stupid shit.

    They haven’t announced tonight’s lineup yet.

  24. Unca Chuck said, on July 23, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Wow, Dennis, you went back in time.

  25. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    With their record 7-1 over the last 8 with Rent in, 7-1 with Rowand in, gotta go with both tonight, dumbalayas.

  26. dirtnrocksnreno said, on July 23, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    DeJesus for more than Bumgarner or Sanchez? Give me a fucking break. These teams (Royals, Brewers, Nats, etc) are dying for arms and in the weak position. Sabean needs to and likely will wait them out.

    I realize that position players on the farm are on the upswing but Sabean has boxed himself in with his stockpiling of arms approach. I agree that arms are of more value for horse trading and one of Sabean’s strengths is identifying and developing arms but he has gotten over on enough teams by dealing prospect or emerging arms through the years that many GMs are weary of taking anything but established MLB level arms from him.

    SF should fortify their pen for a couple of position prospects. Maybe throw in Ishikawa or one of the Bowler gang if they’re fool enough. If Belt is still mashing call him up in Sept along with another high OBP fleet footed player.

    • vrrbrcrrr said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:21 pm

      Been thinking for awhile that the Giants have been showcasing Ishi for a possible trade… throw in Nate and a prospect.

  27. Unca Chuck said, on July 23, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    “Good luck Striker. We’re all coutning on you . . .”

  28. dirtnrocksnreno said, on July 23, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Dennis, I think your Flux Capacitor is malfunctioning.

  29. delmardennis said, on July 23, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    I think it was that sailing trip I took the other day. Threw me for a loop. “Gonna need a (new) bigger boat.”

    http://tinyurl.com/2dn86n7

  30. wswinb4igo said, on July 23, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Interesting, Andres Torres middle name is Vungo. To me, a combination of the legendary Van Lingle Mungo… I like it, in a Nuschler sort of way. Go Vungo!

  31. zumarust said, on July 23, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Dennis’s post from 11:08 is moving forward in time, haunting us like a prophetic warning….like a giant masturbating raven.
    (stole that last part from Hunter Thompson)

  32. max808 said, on July 23, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    No matter what, he’s going to have the last word.

  33. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Torres CF, F. Sanchez 2B, Huff LF, Sandoval 3B, Ishikawa 1B, Renteria SS, Schierholtz RF, Whiteside C, Sanchez P

  34. 3bagger said, on July 23, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    What, no Rowand? Do I get to play GOD now?

  35. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    No, just be your dick self. I’m God.

  36. wswinb4igo said, on July 23, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    I guess they’re a lock now ’cause that LU is weak huh…

  37. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    If you fucks like it, they’re doomed.

    • wswinb4igo said, on July 23, 2010 at 3:40 pm

      they’ll all hate it….I’m betting them!

  38. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    I’ve never proposed that Rowand should start everyday, 3Bagsoshit, so don’t go there.

    • 3bagger said, on July 23, 2010 at 3:53 pm

      twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 2:17 pm With their record 7-1 over the last 8 with Rent in, 7-1 with Rowand in, gotta go with both tonight, dumbalayas.

      • twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:16 pm

        Tjhe pernt, nimrod, was YOUR idiocy objecting to Rowand. You don’t get anything, do you? It is YOU who needs to cry for Aaron and Edgar. God, most of your IQ are eliminated fiorst time outa the crib. Trucks, whatever…

  39. delmardennis said, on July 23, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    I guess if Buster gets called upon to pinch hit late, he damn well better get a hit. Be a damn shame to lose the 16-game hitting streak in that fashion. But ya know what? Tough shit, Buster. Get a goddamn hit when called upon.

    As for tonight’s lineup? Most important name is the same one as it each and every other night—the starting pitcher. If Sanchez does his job, the rest should take care of itself. Throw strikes Jonathan.

  40. James said, on July 23, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    DeJesus, lifetime OPS of 787. Fred Lewis, 781. What did we get for Lewis again? Of course, if Sabes had packaged one of the arms for Uggla or another useful player instead of small ball Freddy Sanchez,, there’d be no need for another bat.

  41. dirtnrocksnreno said, on July 23, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    How is Mr Electric doing these days anyway?

    • James said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:12 pm

      800 OPS, pretty nice season so far.

      • wswinb4igo said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:34 pm

        even tho his obp is dropping for the 4th straight year…

  42. max808 said, on July 23, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    And no bitching about Eli’s incompetence as a hitter. We know that. It’s incumbent upon 1-7 to get it done.

  43. max808 said, on July 23, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Rowand goes against Lefties.

  44. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Eli is a fine son to Vern and Vera, an upstanding citizen, and good provider.

  45. max808 said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Why don’t they go with Holm? Is he that bad defensively?

  46. Craig said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    3bagger. Stop responding to twin about the rowand subject….
    Couldn’t make it out of town today so I go tomorrow early. Wish the game looked bettable but we’re only -108 and I’m not giving the adjusted line of -1.5 for 130

  47. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    He STARTS it, he’s not fucking responding, Flavoro.

  48. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    What I have very motherfucking patiently pointed out is ONLY that the fucking line ups are working. And that IN FACT, those with Edgar and Aaron are 7-1 over their last 8 starts.

  49. Craig said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Poor choice of words on my part. I know, I’ve read the blog today. I should have uses the word “discuss”. I’m done reading about it though and I’m letting 3bag know that it’s time to drop it…

    • 3bagger said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:40 pm

      It’s your blog flav, and it’s the best Giansts blog out there. I won’t provoke TF, but it sucks that anytime anyone disagrees with him, he resorts to slander and insult. There should be no place for that here…or at least much less of it. I mean, we’re all Giants fans.

      • twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:54 pm

        Not “anyone”-just the idiots.

  50. Craig said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Part of me thinks the play tonight is the under (9)

  51. alleykat said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Here’s one for Room B if it ever returns:Twin you can be the doctor

    A Doctor at an insane asylum decided to take his patients to a ballgame.For weeks in advance,he coached his patients to respond to his commands.When the of the game arrived,everything seemed to be going well.As the National Anthem started…the doctor yelled,”UP NUTS” and all the patients complied by standing Up.

    After the Anthem he yelled,”DOWN NUTS”and they all set back down in their seats.

    After a Home run was hit,the doctor yelled,”CHEER NUTS”.They all broke out into applause and cheered.

    When the umpire made a particularly bad call against the star of the home team,the doctor yelled,”‘BOOOOO NUTS” and they all started booing and cat calling.

    Thinking things were going very well the doctor decided to go get a beer and hot dog,leaving the Assistant in charge.When he returned there was a RIOT in progress.

    Finding his Assistant, the doctor asked,’What in the world happened?”

    The Assistant replied,”Well everything was going just fine till a Vendor passed by and yelled PEANUTS!”

    • TedSpe said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:30 pm

      God that’s awful

  52. Craig said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Panda batting 4th. Wow, isn’t that just a total shot in the dark by bochy? He’s missing hit-me fastballs by a mile right now.

    • TedSpe said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:34 pm

      No real history between Sandoval against Jackson. 2 ABs, 1 hit, 2 RBIs. Maybe a hunch based on Jackson’s style (whatever that is)

      • twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 5:26 pm

        Well ,that and except for last night being the best hitter in baseball at Chase…

  53. zumarust said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Hopefully Panda runs into a couple of pitches tonight.

  54. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Admittedly, it’s hard to be sarcastic on a blog even talking to the “brained”…
    Room B is always here, Kat.

    • TedSpe said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:38 pm

      That’s why they invented the faggy ass smiley face

  55. Craig said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    He could run into a few but the decision to bat him 4th can’t be based off anything he’s seen panda do over the last 2 games

  56. Unca Chuck said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Well, that means Panda has a big night tonight.

    Uh, no DPs???

    Screw it. He gioes yard 2x tonight. He’s due.

    Book it . . . .

    • TedSpe said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:48 pm

      …Dano

  57. 3bagger said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    It was reported that Panda got off to a hot start in the 2nd half by analyzing video of his first half and making corrections. I really hope he looked at his Ks last night. Swinging at the high hard one sure looked like what he was doing May-June.

  58. Craig said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    If u subscribe to the belief that a strikeout pitcher will beat a team that strikes out a lot, then you’ve got to like our chances tonight. No clue on how we do against Edwina, he will probably throw ok against us. That’s why the under ia temping my fancy. And now that I’m stuck at home,missing tonight’s tournament, I need some action 🙂 🙂 😦

  59. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Even funnier than the LU bashing is the LU ORDER bashing..
    “Hey, why the fuck is he batt8ing 4th??!! He’s 1 for 20!!”
    “Hey, you’re right. We’ll bat him 6th”..

  60. 3bagger said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Bet the under.

  61. Craig said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Batting panda 4th lends credence to your deleted post about “picking line ups out of a hat”….

  62. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Whatfuckingever. You fucks have been wrong all week, if you hate it, it must be good.

  63. delmardennis said, on July 23, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    I like Sky Chant (10-1) coming up in the 3rd at Del Mar. I better start hating that sucker quick.
    Post time in two. One time Joe Talamo!

  64. alleykat said, on July 23, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Hey any team dumb enough to hire AJ Hinch and follow it up with Kirk Gibson deserve to lose all their games.Giants win big tonight 7-2.

  65. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    They’re 13-4. If that fuckwad Bochy had a clue, they’d be 17-0.

  66. delmardennis said, on July 23, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Does the name Will Ohman put any lead in your pencil? We (Sabean) can do better than that.
    Seems like a LOOGY (Lefty One Out Guy) as Kruk puts it. We need more than that.

  67. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    Many of the LH relievers are “loogys”. But good, let’s fucking bitch about something else they may or may not do…

  68. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    That’s a good Splasher thread, endless bitching at Sabean for a trade HENRY suggests COULD happen IF…

  69. delmardennis said, on July 23, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Amateurs bitch after things happen; pros bitch prior. I miss my putts on the high side I’ll have you know.

  70. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    I know your type, Dennis. They never threaten the cup, pal…
    When Bochy’s line-ups work out, Flavor thinks it unfair to point it out. When they don’t, we get an AB by AB accounting of the whipping boy failures.
    “pros bitch prior… What, just in case?
    “Fucking Sabean! Ohman sucks!”
    ” He doesn’t pich for us!”
    ‘Yeah, well if he ever does…”
    Man, you are infected. Bad.

  71. alleykat said, on July 23, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    I would much rather have Scott Downs over Will Ohman anyday of the week .He’s much more of a control pitcher with a better WHIP and alot less walks and Batting avg against

    Downs-39 IP 32 Hits allowed 11 ER 8 BB’s 30 K’s 2.52 ERA 1.02 WHIP .222 BAA

    Ohman- 28 IP 27 Hits allowed 8 ER 16 BB’s 28 K’s 2.59 ERA 1.54 WHIP .262 BAA

  72. twinfan said, on July 23, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Well, they seem to be looking for a “Loogy”. In that regard, toss a coin, career wise. LHers are .203 BA against Ohman, .229 Downs. .634 OPS against Ohman, .648 Downs. Either one would be fine, depending on what they’d have to give up.

  73. bigflavor said, on July 23, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    New thread for the game just…..because..

  74. Billy said, on July 23, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    Velez looks like he’s starting to turn himself into a quality bunter, something he’s needed to add to his game for a while with those wheels.


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