Stick a fork in them……
The Dodgers are done, man. Their collapse really is astounding when you consider the talent they had on that team to start the year. But Kemp got Hollywood-on-the-brain and decided it was more fun to date Rihanna than it was to work on his game. The broken thump slowed down Ethier. And as I said a few weeks ago when I watched him warm up, Broxton is hurt (though they say he’s fine–curious when he’s lost 5 mph off his fastball)……Either way, watching them go down with Torre fanatically pulling strings that are attached to nothing is funny as hell…….
Big series begins for us today–they’re all big from here on out. For some reason I feel like we are going to hit just fine in Philly. If our pitching holds up we could easily win 2 and maybe all 3. Still, I’m taking the over in all three of these games no matter what the number……
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Anybody still think we’re gonna win the division by 5 games?
If someone else had brought this shit up, Mike, you’d be ripping them a new one . . .
Bozo. 86 you? For that? I’ll 86 you if you leave. The rules have been clearly stated by me: watch the tone and the frequency of the jabber. You are a valuable member of the blog, don’t forget that…
I mean really. Catchers put the mitt in the wrong place?
Here Matt, hang that 0-2 slider right here . . .
Every pitcher on the staf spoke glowingly of Posey when Bengie laft. The staff did fine for a month.
Are these guys tiring down the stretch? Naah. Couldn’t be. Must be Posey.
Another case of reverse racism . . .
uh, left . . .
and TWIN, the bullpen has gotten BETTER since Molina left. Who’s to blame for that? Loo?
Molina was total fair game for you guys on pitch selection, controlling a game, and overall defense. But now Buster isn’t? It’s “attack mode” to point up the record? Bullshit. He’s a great young hitter with a strong albeit of late erratic arm, whether he’s a good receiver is VERY much in doubt still.
only to you….it seems. Mr. Knocker.
They went 21-5 from 7/5 to 8/3 and couldn’t pass SD. They could be demoralized.
Lincecum sets the tone for the staff. When he wins, everybody is loose. When he doesn’t, they all feel the need to throw a no hitter. It’s really that simple.
I don’t have the stats in front of me, but how many times have we lost in the last 3 weeks after we took a lead in agame?
First half of the season, they never lost if they scored first. They are scoring first like tonight and the offense either doesn’t build that lead or the starters give it right up.
“If someone else had brought this shit up, Mike, you’d be ripping them a new one..”
Brought up what? That Buster isn’t really Jesus H. Christ? What a crock….
Bullpen guys pitch an nning or so at a time, apples and oranges. The starting pitching is derailing the season right now and AGAIN, motherfucks, it’s fair to look at all the possible reasons for their decline.
Giants boldly headed for a 2-4 roadie, at best. The division win is looking like the setting sun right now…
Twin, we certainly don’t know if Posey will be a hall of famer behind the dish. I think his arm is stronger than erratic. But he is also a rookie and he may easily be the best catcher in the NL by next year if not now.
But to say he is statistically worse is unprovable because there is no way of predicting how Molina would have done with obviously a tiring and less effective staff. He may have done worse and we know his offense would be a thid less than what Posey has done.
Plus the team caught on fire exactly when Molina was traded…no coincidence?
no, it’s totally fucking bullshit to look at CERA, as James said. Lincecum has a 92 mph fastball right now. That’s Buster’s fault? Zito and Dirrrrty are total fuck headcases, who knows why/when/how the fuck they are going to pitch well or not. Again, I’m not looking it up because your CERA stat is ridiculed by all (including you, funny enough), but the SP was nails for weeks after Buster hit the dish as a crisp, clean rookie catcher. NOW, all of a sudden, he doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing????
You hate Buster Posey, just admit it. There’s no reason for it other than you want to take the opposite side of whatever anyone says which everyone knows you love to do………
and let’s not forget for a fucking SECOND what Posey did for this offense. While Molina was sucking his own big titties, Buster came in and saved this offense with a huge jump start…….
Well, Zitfuck vs. Oswalt was a loss going in. Cain/Blanton should favor the Gs. Sanchez/Hamels actually favors Dirty…
If one compares the Texas starters since Molina has been there, are they better or worse? Seems like they have been less effective of late, but I don’t think that is on Molina either and their catchers sucked before he gpt there.
But does this questionable stat then prove Molina is worse than what they had previously?
It is not rocket science, mos
t pitchers tire after the all-star game and seems to be what our starters are doing.
Jints were 3-0 vs. Oswalt in 2010 before tonight.
I never disputed what he’s done for rthe offense, the team is definitly better OVERALL with Posey instead of Bengie. Don’t try to turn this around from the endless, repetitive, baseless ad hominem attacks on Molina for YEARS. I do not HATE Posey, I have touted him while Flavorette was talking about what a pussy he was at the plate, I wanted him here out of camp, I NAILED that Molina wouuld be moved and Posey take over, don’t even go that asswipe route.
I’ve explained why CERA is applicable now, when the innings are significant enough for BOTH catchers. That argument from you is idiotic. The reason CERA with WhiteTurd/Molina was irrelevant was becuse of WhiteButt’s small sample compared to Molina’s. That’s not the case here.
And the FACT is that his handling of the pitchers and questions about it are why he WASNT here out of camp.( Posey) It’s a real issue and you boys can’t make it go away by attacking me.
If we fall 5 games out tonight and behind in the wild card, I hate to say tomorrow is a must win game but pretty fucking close.
I think we are all getting tense with how the last couple of weeks have gone since that opening win in Colorado. We might be getting lucky catching St. Louis on a downswing.
Anyone have those matchups? We go Lincecum-Zito-Cain…
What Molina does with Texas starters who are new to him vs. what he did with 4 guys he’s caught for 2 and 3 years is absolutely irrelevant. Room Fuckwad for THAT idiocy…
“Jints were 3-0 vs. Oswalt in 2010 before tonight.”
Thanks, Loo. Yes, they were. Tim beat him 3 times with Big Titty in the squaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.
“while I was talking about what a pussy he was at the plate”? Are you just stupid or insane? I’m open to either as a possibility. You and I BOTH noticed his ground ball tendencies when he came up. Bur now I’m the guy who thought he was a pussy? When??
If this is how you are going to return after a day hiatus feel free to take 10 more….
Fucking Cubs just blew runners in the corners with one out bottom 8th…ugh, we need a break…
Posey might have something to do with it, but don’t you think Lincecum throwing 89 in the 3rd inning instead of low 90s has nothing to do with it? I think there are many more factors besides cERA that can explain the regression of the pitching staff. What can be said for sure though is that Posey is a better overall player than Molina. If he has any problem catching the staff, I think it is obvious he will improve as the seasons progress.
Molina’s stats catching new pitchers in Texas is not comparable to Posey catching a staff for the first time?
That is illogical! I think you are just fucking with us now. I really don’t think you think Molina would be handling this staff any more effectively than Posey has. I think it is fair game to raise the comparison, but without Posey, they never go 21-5 in July on Posey’s back.
Gh, I think it’s Bum Lincecum Zito vs Lohse? Carpenter Garcia
Cliff fucking lee got traded to molina’s team. Example a of why cera is a joke- something twin knows but wants to use against his year-long target, buster posey…..
Slides happen and this is a pretty bad time for one to hit, but what you guys gotta realize is our team won’t be this bad from here on out. Is this really our staff? Not a chance. We’re right in the thick of it boys. Buckle in and enjoy the ride.
max of course forgot about bum thanks. legit chance to win two of those games I think…but Lincecum has to make a statement…
Cal: I never said or insinuated that Posey was the only reason. I put the question out and backed it with some startling numbers. But Tim has had the velocity issue ALL year, even when he was blowing the league away in April. He’s regularly had outings where he was 92-95 early and 88-90 by the 4th or 5th inning. So it is a faior question when he was Cy caliber early and Wellmeyer now… with the same stuff.
At least Twin stirred the pot…I am never against that. Time to check out. 3-3 on this trip would be a big accomplishment…
Fucking Cubs..almost won it…
Who has performed more over his head this season than Jon Garland? Signed as a guy to fill out the rotation, he can’t be touched … maybe for the first time in his life.
I think it is a known fact that Tims velocity is down fromthe start of the year. He’s working through some demons out there on the mound. Zito was pitching above his ability. That’s another fact. Cain is more or less the same pitcher he has always been. Sanchez is up and down…story of his career. Bum is an awesome 5 starter. I’d say this stretch is extremely flukey. Especially after our July.
Here’s a question, does cERA take into account our defense has taken a hit due to some of the new offensive power?
GH: you did not talk about Molina going to Texas in relation to Posey here. But whatever, what’s happening now is that some are starting to lie about what I’ve posted. Posey’s newness OF COURSE could have something to do with it. But be careful, GHead: to say that you’d have to acknowledge that Buster might have SOMETHING to do with the decline of the starters since Molina left. It’s absolutely astounding that you guys can actually call the FACTS I’ve pointed up about Posey are “attacks”.
I will add that the fuck better to learn how to handle his receiving position ( referring to the interference the other day) or he ain’t going to be here long at all. Broken hands don’t heal well with catchers. He’s lucky he’s not on the 60-day.
Wow – CERA? Is this related to CHONE? This is just shitty baseball, nothing more, nothing less. All of these baseball stats are basically in place to support the positions of all of the ‘experts’. Coulda shoulda woulda – just win the fucking games and quit analyzing it through numbers which can support any position you take if you dig deep enough. Last I looked the stats said Huff was one of the worse defensive players in the game coming into the season.
Fucking A…
I will agree with one thing, posey’s defensive positions are atrocious. He flinches and back hands every thing in the dirt. Kruk called that weeks ago but he’s dead on and it hasn’t goten any better…..
Huff WAS a bad defensive player, he’s better this year than he’d been. Shut the fuck up, Gringo. The Splash is your milieu. AND DO NOT ATTACK MY POSTS, cocksucker. That’s been made clear to you. Do not address anything I say even by inference.
Giants offense needs to show they can also hit ‘good’ pitching. Take the Atl, SD series and tonights game, that’s 8 games– 18 runs. Add Jimenez before Atl and that’s 9 runs in 19 games.
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I think it’s possible there is something there with Posey and the starters.
This is of course complete conjecture on my part. And I’m not calling into question Buster’s ability, although as a rookie it seems fair he’s not going to be as savvy as Molina in calling a game.
But what about the possibility that the Starter’s themselves begin to question his ability to call the right pitches after they have been whacked around a little…Maybe in the back of their minds (we all know how superstitious ball players are) a little doubt creeps in and they start thinking he’s the reason and they begin shaking him off more, start losing focus worrying if the pitch and location is the right call….I dunno, slight loss of confidence in the catcher could be enough to throw them off their game..
J
Back to common sense: any discussion of a declining starting staff must include the catcher. It’s moronic to even suggest otherwise. That is NOT to say it’s all his fault, or 20 percent, 60 percent, none.. it simply has to be part of the discussion as solutions are sought. And when you’re talking about a guy with 135 games as a catcher before this year, it is extremely relevant. If I’m going to have to teach you people even those basics, I might have to have one of my goons take over first through third grades. I prefer handling the more advanced topics.
PG — that’s a fact, you are free (for now) to post here but do not address tf especially when it’s you starting it…
Twin I see where you r coming from on the cera I just think it gets muddled in what seems to be an unusual focus on busters fallacies. He’s one of best hitters, enjoy him….
When did I ever address the ‘Great TF’ in my post??? And why would I want to?
On April 5 Lincecum struck out the Astros catcher Towles with 91 and 92 mph two seam fastballs, to end the eighth inning.
Location locatioin location.
July 30 he was throwing 90 and 91 in the 6th and 7th innings against the Dodgers. Aug 5 his last fastball and last pitch was 93 MPH in the 7th. I can dig through all the game days, too. His velocity has been erratic all year.
And location has absolutely zip to do with the catcher. He’s holding his glove in a spot and it goes somewhere else. Apparently there was no problem with his skills when he first came up, the starters were lights out for 6 weeks. This is nothing more than a dog days of summer stretch. As I said, the bullpen had gotten infinitely better in the last 6 weeks, they now have the Best middle relief era in all of baseball. that’s funny. Buster? Molina’s legacy? Fuck that they got better pitchers and the ones they had started pitching better….
He’ll probably have to make a FAST transition to finesse pitcher or you guys are gonna be wondering why the fuck they didn’t trade him for Alex Rios. Bengie could probably get a little more out of a guy with suddenly hittable stuff, just from knowing him. But the most likely thing that’s happened is that wiry little bod just couldn’t hold up to the violent motion. He’s a big competitor though, as soon as he can handle he ego deflation, he’l probably make that transition.
Who is catching the middle Relievers? Buster or molina’s big titties he left behind as a memory? Molina is hitting .247 for Texas. Take out that kne torrid week and he’d be near the Mendoza line.
and you’re dead-on right there: his body started to flux a little, his ego deflated with all the runs……shit, this guy has never failed once in his life. He’s going through that now, there might be a period of adjustment, we’ll see if he can handle it. But his failures can’t be blamed solely on the catcher. He holds down fingers and sticks his glove out. The pitcher calls his own game anyway when he wants to. Buster’s failures are on his blocking techniques, they suck balls……..
Not sure how you can even compare Molina to Posey in any fashion at present. It’s a moot argument and there is no comparison – it’s all conjecture based on personal opinion and unless you are privy to the clubhouse, then you are just pontificating.
Anyone who thinks Posey has caused lower velocity, bad location, and everything else is nuts. They are professionals, and if they need ‘personal catchers’, hugs and kisses, and a fat ass behind the plate to call a game, then who the hell would want them on your team? Grow a pair and pitch the fucking ball over the plate as you’re paid MILLIONS of dollars to do.
Stop with comparing catching guys who are throwing an inning at a time with 4 starters who are in at least their third years here. It’s not the same and you’re also AGAIN saying it’s necessarily a question of blame. These guys basically had just Bengie for a couple hundred innings a year each, now they have a kid who had caught 135 minor league games. OF COURSE he has something to do with the decline. You’re off your normally decent form, it’s just silly to be denying a universal verity…
This to the board, not one poster in particular: it’s ALL fucking moot on a goddamn blog, asswipes. You think our fucking opinion on who should bat 5th ISN’T fucking moot?
Yeah, but 7th is fucking IMPERATIVE!!!
Ah, Ted, you say the sweetest things.. anyway, you guys probably enjoyed my brief hiatus as much as i did. I’ll probably take a couple more. Love reading Snarkk and Jed duel it out for ” I never met a game I enjoyed”..
Naw, twin. We miss you on your hiatussess. Partly because we all love you. But also because…we have no idea how to spell it
Yeah, they should never have ditched Molina. I miss him…
And Winn too. We might just be leading the division by 3 games.
Yes, Nurse Ratched, I’m ready for my pill now…
Little dab will do ya
I just had a sneeze that reminded me of today’s game. A…how do I put this gently…forget it… A hunk of fucking loogy dislodged itself on my leg the size of a bananna. slug.
Fortunatelly..I’m currently naked and can wipe off…prudently.
And that’s also how I feel about today’s game.
OK- you win the “Too Much Information” award.
Waittill I upload the photo!!
Back from Philly. I’ll catch up on the posts later. What a fucking embarrassment. At least my daughter had a good time. Not that it would’ve mattered, but why did they leave in Zito after the Werth double? Very, very discouraging game.
Discouraging? Eh…a little strong. Disappointing, certainly. But we’re still home, home on the range.
How’d the Padres do?
♫♪♫ Where Deer and Santangelo played ♫♪♫
Um … because the bullpen wanks?
The Padres won their usual 1-0 game.
Like they always do Ted ,They Win, 1-0 tonight.Plus they get these mail it in teams right now the Cubs and Brewers to easily pounce on.Giants now 5 back.
In the Dodger game, I saw Fowler and Eric Young, Jr. do a double steal. It took me back a few years, and made me nostalgic for that season they were on the Single-A Modesto Nuts together. They were a lot of fun to watch that season.
Frightening, gentlemen. Truly frightening.
Well…let us see, let us see.
We’ll chat manaja..manyana..maninnyajana…manahnna…man…
Goodnight, gentlemen (question mark)
“Giants now 5 back.”
“Giants now 5 back.”
“Giants now 5 back.”
“Giants now 5 back.”
“Giants now 5 back.”
We fall 5 motherfucking games back tonight of the goddamn San Diego Padres and the prevailing post-game subject is the pitching staff’s CERA post Bengie.
Denial.
6 in the loss column, but who’s counting.
I just did.
Denial? What denial? Pads are goin to collapse. We know it’s true. If we don’t keep believin’ that, we’ll regret it. Yes. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of our lives. We’ll always have ATT in September….
SD 71 47 —
SF 67 53 5
That shit should be tattooed onto Bochy’s and every goddamn players forehead before they went to sleep tonight.
Why? What difference would it make? The players are doing everything they can do, which is hack, and Bochy is doing everything he wants to do, which is nothing. Sometimes it works … just not often enough to fend off a roster built with 60% less money
I was working until about 5 mins ago; had the game on, on another laptop, via Kostaz, until it was 7-2. (SNARKK: I posted an obnoxious grammar lecture at 6:48 in reply to your “passive voice” post.) Doesn’t take a sociologist (pseudo-science?) to see that we snipe hard at each other as the Good Ship San Fran founders. But what would a social-pseudo-scientist conclude from my increasing assent to Twin’s posts? Who care. I’m as gloomy as Dennis, absent the colorful expletives (tired). Morose. I know it’s August, but I really like these guys and just a week ago saw them winning the division. Could happen, yeah. But right now I am Mr. Ohyeoflittlefaith. As a kid, I’d take up the beads during a tense game. We need the beads and water from Luordes.
Not seeing anything of yours at 6:48, Pawlie. Sure that is the right time? I expected you might be one to have a view on passive voice….
Hmm, it was there a minute ago; look under your original post about Russ Hodges vs. Jon Miller. No matter. Just a diversion from the dismal reality of the so-called game.
I found it. You are, of course, correct. It is past tense, where the additon of the “to be” verb form and “by” would typically indicate passive. I am ashamed. I will slink off now to my scotch and conjugate German verbs as self punishment. Yet, with past tense, Miller still mucks up the calls. Should I send him a letter on it, now that he’s in the HOF?….
August Stats: 12th in runs; 7th in ERA.
August Records:
SF 7-8
STL 7-6
SD 11-5
CIN 10-4
PHI 11-3
ATL 11-5
I wouldn’t want to talk about being 5 games back either.
See any good movies lately?
Hey the G’s were 13 1/2 games back to the bums in 51 on Aug 12.Then reeled off 16 straight wins.Going 37-7 down the stretch to ketch the bums and set up the Greatest HR in the history of Baseball.So what’s 5 games back? Giants comeback ketch the fever!
Snarkk: off to your conjugal chores; I mean, conjugational. Slap my hand for misspelling Lourdes. G’night, girls.
That’s right, Kat. 5 games back ain’t squat. We still have 7 remaining with SD, all we have to do is win 6 of 7 and there’s our 5 game deficit in the standings wiped clean.
“Win 6 of 7 from the Padres.”
“Win 6 of 7 from the Padres.”
“Win 6 of 7 from the Padres.”
“Win 6 of 7 from the Padres.”
“Win 6 of 7 from the Padres.”
“Win 6 of 7 from the Padres.”
Gotta go now, guys. I just hit the Pick 6.
“Win 6 of 7 from the Padres.”
If the two dumbest fucks here are going to try and “simplify”, at least get it right. The *offense* is better without Molina and I’ll add that once again I’m the only one to call that he would be moved. Whether the deterioration of the pitching can be attributed in part to his departure is a bigger questtion than I would ever expect to be handled maturely here. The evidence is still inconclusive. As to Winn, some more numbers might be instructive. Our right fielders are hitting a composite .236 with a .315 OBP and .708 OPS. Randy Winn LAST year was .262 .318 .671. I NEVER said he should have been retained, but factoring in his defense, they would be in AT LEAST as good a shape with Randy…
Dennis, what’s your fucking point with all your 5 game bullshit? Are you claiming credit for some doomer prediction? HAPPY about it? Why the fuck would you be pleased that right now they are struggling?
Here’s a novel idea for everyone: take your own one game hiatus. Sit down, turn on the game, watch it and root for your goddamn baseball team to win.