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Favorite Retro Role Player

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 9, 2010

1987, 1989, 1993 and 2002—- those are four of our most favorite years from Giants history (until this year). Of the guys listed, who was your favorite role player from each year?

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  1. Unca Chuck said, on November 9, 2010 at 8:05 am

    Riles had home run #10,000 for the NY/SF Giants.

    That alone pegs him . . .

  2. Unca Chuck said, on November 9, 2010 at 8:13 am

    Harry Splillman and Mike Benjamin are my all time faves. . .

  3. zumarust said, on November 9, 2010 at 8:19 am

    Ed Goodson.

  4. twinfan said, on November 9, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Role players,maybe not the heart but certainly the cat gut… I’ll just talk of this year’s guys because the Giants have never had a better group. Travis: if ever a dude might have been excused for a “fuck it, I’m outta here” attitude, it’s Ishi. Everyone but Amy G. got a shot at his job. Yet he got in the cage and changed his approach to become a top pinch hitter. And his slam off Ubaldo was one of the definng hits of the year…
    Nate: never a favorite but another young guy who thought he should start but didn’t become a distraction, played great defense, and some clutch hits down the stretch.
    The Gamer: I don’t expect he’d be as gracious were he around this year but the guy took his demotion like a man and although he contributed little, it all seemed big when it went down- “The Throw” was awesome…
    NO Whitey: Vera says he’s a fine boy and wife Amy reports that he even got the garbage out on the right day last week.
    Fontenot:not the impact as some but some key hits to start rallies.
    And, of course: Edgar…. a hero here at last and one in his country forever. Transcends baseball, from what everyone says: he defines what it is to be a pro. No greater tribute…

    • TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 9:24 am

      Nice recap

  5. stixwiz said, on November 9, 2010 at 8:46 am

    On another note: Japan Pacific Coast League middle infielder Tsuyoshi Nishioka of the Chiba Lotte Marines, league batting champ with a .342 avg. will apparently be open for ML bidding says MLBTR. Dude can play both second and short and also stole 22 bases. The bidding process with Japanese players can get expensive as the Red Sox discovered with Dice K. But a high BA guy who can play shortstop and has a good turn of speed may raise a few eyebrows.

  6. xootsuit said, on November 9, 2010 at 9:19 am

    shinjo’s little hop and catch was ok; his arm was fucking amazing. But 2002 had a bunch of important back-bench guys. Maybe mundane to go with a backup C, but I kind of liked Yorvit, back when he was a more humble kid.

  7. TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 9:30 am

    I hadda go with Riles. For some reason his tenure just seemed more memorable. But it was a kick to see a ball hit to left field with runners on, Bonds would grab it and then lob to Shinjo to go for the runner(s)

    • xootsuit said, on November 9, 2010 at 10:18 am

      Yeah, like that happened a lot. Shinjo did run really fast, however — out to CF, into the dugout afterward, or after an out.

    • TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 10:22 am

      It happened more times than with anyone else I’ve ever seen

  8. delmardennis said, on November 9, 2010 at 9:49 am

    OK, either I have to plead ignorance or blame it on the onset of early senility [probably a little of both] but I don’t recall Eddie Milner at all. CF, played for the Reds? He could have been the 1987 Giants bat boy for all I know. From ’87 I’ll go with Joel Youngblood. On the downside, but still good for a pinch hit or two.

  9. Unca Chuck said, on November 9, 2010 at 10:02 am

    I thought Eddie Milner was Malloy in Adam-12 . . .

    • TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 10:05 am

      Martin! Martin!

  10. SanDog said, on November 9, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Favorite Retro Role Player? Oustanding poll question. I went with Riles—who I believe is who we received when we traded Hac-Man. Loved that team and I seem to remember him making a solid contribution.

    I couldn’t stand Shinjo. Like Fred Lewis later, he was a talented guy, but he always seemed to suck whenever I watched him play. He was also such a pretty boy with the dyed hair and tight pants.

    Favorite retro role player not in the poll? Would Dan Gladden qualify???

    • TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 10:15 am

      That would be not in the poll *and* not in those years. So if we’re jst throwing out arbitrary role players:
      Elisha Cook Jr.

  11. James said, on November 9, 2010 at 11:11 am

    With 400 PAs, Shinjo qualifies as an abomination.

    • xootsuit said, on November 9, 2010 at 11:14 am

      Ted thinks he was good at soft toss.

      • TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 11:40 am

        I-AM-SAY-ING-HE-HAD A-GOOD-ARM. I-EN-JOYED-WATCH-ING-HIM-PLAY-CEN-TER-FIELD.THIS-IS-ALL-I-AM-SAY-ING.
        Whatever happened to him anyway? Did he retire or go back to Japan?

      • xootsuit said, on November 9, 2010 at 12:34 pm

        Uh huh. Shinjo’s gun and Elisha Cook Jr.’s gunsel, is that your story?

      • TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 12:45 pm

        Had I thought of it, yeah. That’s my story

  12. twinfan said, on November 9, 2010 at 11:22 am

    I’ve always had a special place for the role players-going all the way back to the O’Brien boys with the Bucs, who became the first twins in major league history to play for the same team in the same game… they would be 80 now.

  13. eddacker415 said, on November 9, 2010 at 11:48 am

    this post is so it isn’t the last one on the earlier thread (or two) just my thoughts and I hit the Earnest Riles vote, too!

    quote from Paulie:
    I am embarrassed by the moronic and not at all defensible one-word reply of “ditto,” with its intimations of FatRush Limbo. Abject apologies for abandoning verbal-artisan standards here.

    and let that be a lesson to you, my man.

    Nice Article: did anyone see the espn piece? Probablyold news here http://tinyurl.com/sfg-pitchers

    I came here for a little reading and I am getting
    shopping for WS gear
    BBQ marinade
    Jealous over little dolls
    just a bit of ‘I knew it’ which is cool, because I love baseball.

    I think Sabean should re-sign Uribe (mandatory), but only becasue of the deal they slid by him this season. Do not jinx our team.

    I was all for signing Jason Werth, last spring training when it was too improbable. This year? NOT

    BTW, if we were the Yankies we’d sign that Elvis dude and SS would be solved

  14. alleykat said, on November 9, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Mark Carreon. Many clutch hits on that 93 team.

  15. xootsuit said, on November 9, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Purely subjective, I know, but I don’t like that long-armed swing of Werth’s. I think he has peaked and the bat speed will just slow down month by month, from here on. He now avgs one SO per 4.5 PAs (or so). That ratio will get worse. (Cf. Huff — one SO per 7.5 PAs. Or so.)

  16. Unca Chuck said, on November 9, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Werth seems to be one of those guys that always seems to kick our ass.

    He’s shit agaisnt the rest of the league, but he’s Lou fricking Gehrig vs us . . .

  17. Unca Chuck said, on November 9, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp . . .

    • TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 1:56 pm

      Some folks gotta eat lunch, chuck

    • Rough trade said, on November 9, 2010 at 2:05 pm

      Surprisingly, Werth hit just .227 w/0 hrs last yr during the reg season.

      In the playoffs, .235 1 hr.

    • xootsuit said, on November 9, 2010 at 3:25 pm

      what? my tattered copy of the chronicle from the last day of the season says he hit 27 hrs, .296 BA with an OPS over .900. Oh, wait, the chron didn’t list OPS. But, still. Do you mean at China Basin?

  18. rough trade said, on November 9, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Werth might do well in a place like Bsn or Cinn, but he’s clearly benefitted from hitting in a great lineup and in a hitter’s park. If you’re going to go hog wild, maybe Crawford, who gives them a much needed lefthanded bat. But bad FA mkt means most of the good FA’s will again be ridiculously overpaid.

    • TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 2:25 pm

      One positive thing about Werth. He gives hope DeRosa can recover from *his* wrist surgery

  19. TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Anyone else just get a “thank you fans” email from Bowtie?

    • alleykat said, on November 9, 2010 at 2:28 pm

      Yeah i got one Ted…Real cool of Bowtie to acknowledge the Fan Base and what he says moving forward “The Giants Way”

    • TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 2:34 pm

      Yeah, it was a nice gesture.

  20. alleykat said, on November 9, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Here are your Gold Glove winners AL: C Joe Mauer 1B Mark Teixeira 2B Robinson Cano SS Derek Freakin Jeter? OF Ichiro Suzuki OF Carl Crawford OF Franklin Gutierrez P Mark Buehrle

    I suppose good argument can be made for are against most of these guys,but I don’t see how anyone can call Derek Jeter the best defensive SS in the AL. Even the heartiest Jeter backers have given up vouching his defense in recent years.This is an “Inertia” award,voted on by people who care less about actually honoring good defense then in honoring tenure and popularity.

    • TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 2:28 pm

      Jeter? What a joke. Ramirez and Elvis got screwed

  21. twinfan said, on November 9, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Ok, as I intimated, Im going to do some mini-contests to get us to ST. E-Mail me your pick for yes or no on Huff and yearly dollar amount. I need 5 entrants. Prize is modest, this one will be a 40GB external USB drive: pocket size, pefect for backing up photos and such…
    twinfan1@hotmail.com
    Futures will include a printer, headset, stuff like that.. if you know your way around inside the case, some coolerupgrades might be available.

  22. TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Ok, as I intimated, Im going to do some mini-contests …
    ———————————————————————
    I didn’t know twin did intimations. Okay, do Burt Lancaster or, or, Jimmy Cagney

  23. Sportdude said, on November 9, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    No way on Werth.
    Too much $$ for a guy in a hitters lineup in a hitters Park as RT stated.

    Didn’t we already overspend for a gamer who hit in a hitters park with a dream line up?

    If we are going to spend that much than go for C Crawford. I know it won’t happen, but I can dream…

  24. Decap said, on November 9, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Giants World Series Champions (just because I haven’t gotten a chance to type it here yet) feels good….

  25. Decap said, on November 9, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    My first experience having a professional sport I follow winning a championship, and I am sick as a dog for a week…. shitty…. but fucking awesome as hell……

    We are already rosterbating? I guess its never too early…..

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on November 9, 2010 at 6:59 pm

      rosterbating gets my vote for NOTY (neologism of the year)

  26. Craig said, on November 9, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    what would u guys say is a fair offer for Crawford? 5 yes 60 mil? Maybe 3 yrs 45? What’s this dude gonna get? I don’t mind the dough as much as I mind the yrs. I’m loath to give anyone more than 3 years.

  27. Decap said, on November 9, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Don’t you think the Red Sox, Angels, or even the Yankees are going to approach Mark Teixeria money for him??
    The Angels gave Torri Hunter 5 years 90 Mil 3 years ago when he was 32…… Is Crawford better? In some ways maybe… he definitely is younger…

    I bet its 6 or 7 years… around 120-130 mil…….

  28. TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    We are talking about Carl Crawford, right? Okay, obviously I need some help in understanding the intangibles I’m not seeing. The guy’s *almost* a lifetime .300 hitter. Okay. Hits a lot of triples and steals a lot of bases. Granted. But he’s got averae pop, an above average but not awe inspiring OBP, a good outfileder but this is his first GG.
    And you guys are talking $15-20 million a year?? Are they still paying that kind of money of your name isn’t Pujols?

  29. Craig said, on November 9, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    The market isnt the same as it was Pre 2009. We shall see, I guess. I can’t imagine Crawford getting more than 15 mil a yr but maybe I’m wrong. Fatboy fielder wants 200 mil. Good luck with that

  30. TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    There was an uproar (at least here on the Flap) when Holliday got $17 million 7/8 year contract but this guy at least average 30 Hrs, 100+ RBIs and hits a bit over .300. I don’t know. Maybe I’m not realistic. But if I were a general manager, I wouldn’t offer Crawford a higher salary then Pujols is making. And I’d use Pujols as an example as why I wouldn’t.

  31. Unca Chuck said, on November 9, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    $200 million for the Fat Prince of Milwaukee? Fuck that with bells on . . .

    We already know the blueprint. Crawford will get a ton as he’s the cream of the shit-crop FA market. The Giants will look for mid-tier players. No big splash. No crazy trades.

    Still don’t see why Werth gets all the hate. The dude can hit. He’s a good-enough fielder, and has a great arm. If Burrell showed anything, it’s that a RH hitter can have success here. As long as he can drive the ball to left.

    • TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 5:45 pm

      Werth ain’t werth it either.
      Werewolf

  32. Flavor said, on November 9, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Crawford is the cream of this crop so I guess he gets overpaid. I stopped reading mlbtraderumors.com about a year ago. Not cause I didn’t like the site, I did. But they tricked out the website with so much bullshit it takes forever to load—some IT guy got a hold of that and basically jizzed all over it–totally fucking it up in the process. Anyway, I’m assuming Dierkes has been talking about what Crawford will be offered but I haven’t read it cause I don’t go there anymore (and he’s really the only one I would trust, the dude knows who to talk to to get the best info)….
    Anyway, i’d give Crawford 3 years, 45 mil and if someone doubles that they can go fuck themselves, Crawford isn’t worth that. Same with Jason Werth, fuck that dude. He’s more worried about shaving his beard, growing his hair and banging the hotties who concern themselves with that shit than playing baseball. Same with Matt Kemp, by the way………

    • TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 6:02 pm

      I just checked and Crawford made $10 mill this year so, yeah, at his age, someone will probably overpay him

  33. Flavor said, on November 9, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    So Twin sends me a custom built computer that completely rocks and then today I find a brand new set of speakers that arrived at my house to complete this total package. You dude, are THE MAN………

  34. PawlieKokonuts said, on November 9, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Randy Elliott.

  35. PawlieKokonuts said, on November 9, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    I am cautiously optimistic, but only cautiously so, that Brian Sabean & SFG management will influence the whole free-agent market to the point of sanity. By that I mean, have GMs take a sober look at what is out there and sensibly realize that throwing big money is not the golden elixir — ain’t necessarily so. Naw. Hit the backspace button on that. Delete it. How naive. BUT. BUT, that works in our favor (or Flavor). Let’s the Yanks and others overspend on Cliff Lee (we beat him twice i the WS, Hal) and Drek Jeter. Be our guests.

    I just went to a wonderful dinner for our XC runners, including my daughter. Great event for an inner-city school. wish the suburbanites could see how rich and rewarding urban life is. But I digress. Lots of Yankees fans, of course. I held out my hand and DEMANDED feckin congrats from Yanks fans. You know, they are the worst. So feckin narrow-minded; such a narrow spectrum. But, to a person, they were rooting for the Giants. I told them, bring it on. We’ll be glad to play you in the Series next year and avenge 1962. I got me some swagger now. Just like hottie Fergie sings about.

  36. PawlieKokonuts said, on November 9, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    that was not an intentional, albeit a funny, typo: Derek

  37. twinfan said, on November 9, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    I’ve told the story of when my Mom dumped her soda on the Yankee fans behind us at the 7th game of the ’60 series. It was as Maz crossed the plate, “it slipped”… and they were wonderful, they laughed and hugged us both, spun me in the air…

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on November 9, 2010 at 7:05 pm

      Twin, that is a grand story, but less likely in 2010 than 1960, I suggest. Man, you were at some game! My friend Dan Valenti, in his estimable book “Clout,” puts Maz’s HR just after Bobby Thomson’s. (Dan and I worked at The (Syracuse) Post-Standard in 1978. He got fired because, a loyal Red Sox fan, he was “sick” the day Bucky Dent hit his homer — and went on to change a career and write a dozen or so baseball books.)

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on November 9, 2010 at 7:08 pm

      …and the men wore fedoras and topcoats

    • Unca Chuck said, on November 9, 2010 at 7:36 pm

      . . .and you were 17 at the time?

      • twinfan said, on November 9, 2010 at 7:53 pm

        Huh? Who are you talking to, Chuck? I was 13.

      • Unca Chuck said, on November 9, 2010 at 8:16 pm

        Grown men were throwing you around?

        Just creating a mental picture here. . .

  38. twinfan said, on November 9, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    Mom was young and pretty, I suspect that had something to do with their good humor…

  39. twinfan said, on November 9, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Goat night fucked Chuckles more than it did the goats…

  40. twinfan said, on November 9, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    How’s the TV Box working for your daughter, BTW?

    • Unca Chuck said, on November 9, 2010 at 8:15 pm

      She hasn’t been back to get it yet . . .

      • twinfan said, on November 9, 2010 at 9:17 pm

        She’ll need to figger it out herself. Unless she’s 18…

  41. willied said, on November 9, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    “Downtown” Ollie Brown. Killer arm from RF, with power.
    Also, Mateo Alou….small and skinny, FS would look like Sando next to him, but a great bunter. All my buddies used to imitate his brother Jesus (who was a puro hacker) and his neck rolls at the plate.

  42. Craig said, on November 9, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    I’m hittin the sack early. Sick. Tired. But still basking my ass off….

  43. TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Youse guys are beginning to bores me.
    Whaddya got??!! Huh??!!\Gowan, gowan..tellit to duh Marines
    (Billy Halop lives forever)

  44. San Dog said, on November 9, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    For not wanting anything to do with Werth, you guys sure post about him a helluva lot. I’m still down with OPP for making him #1 on the off-season wish list.

    Willied—-love the Jesus Alou neck roll reference!!!!!

  45. James said, on November 9, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    Adan Dunn is a better player than Carl Crawford. Awesome stats year after year, He’d compensate nicely for Burrell. I’d love to see a decrease in team speed as the offense becomes even more productive.

  46. TedSpe said, on November 9, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    Little bastard shot me in the ass

  47. twinfan said, on November 10, 2010 at 1:17 am

    Can’t sleep. Or maybe it was “Adam Dunn is a better player than Carl Crawford”… something made me bolt… I think James meant “better roofer”.
    I know this is controversial but OBP is the most overrated stat iin baseball for middle of the order hitters. Andres Torres, Fruckie, the 3: those guys need to get on:the Huffs, Burrells, Posey: drive ’em in. Adam Dunn is worth TEN MILLION DOLLARS LESS than Andres Torres or Huff.. he’s worth THE SAME as Juan Uribe… FIFTEEN MILLION less than Carl Crawford… he’s worth, in short: what I’m worth 😉


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