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Carlos Pena? and my main man San Dog snapping pics of Sabean

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 13, 2010

Mychael Urban (seriously, what dude would willfully spell his first name that way?) was on the radio talking up the Giants pursuing Carlos Pena and now he’s writing about it at csnbayarea.com: http://tinyurl.com/2c44gbs

Urban assumes a lot as he expects Pena to get a deal in the neighborhood of 3 mil/1 year. I think he’ll get something much better than that. But, assuming we’re talking about another “Huff deal”, I like it. Pena plays fantastic defense. True, his offensive numbers have fallen over the last few years with a BA bottoming out at .198 in 2010. But this is a guy who does take walks and DOES have big power. Plus, if you look at his HR track sheet, he hits his bombs in all directions and he hits them DEEP, so I’m not worried about him losing anything at ATT (besides the few that everyone loses to triples alley). And as we’ve seen with many, many players, I think his BA and OPS would go up playing at ATT. I’m not saying replace Huff with him, but I do like the idea of signing both of them and sending Huff back to the outfield. Again, it has to be for a “Huff-like 2010 deal” which I’m suspicious we’d get him for. I also don’t know if he would want to take on the NL and a deeper park on a one-year deal since he’s probably looking for a park to rebound in and go for a big multi-year deal in 2012. But for the middle of November, it’s not a bad topic to throw out there……..

San Dog, just hanging out at the ballpark apparently, snapped this photo of Sabean this morning. He looks so pleased to have his picture taken, doesn’t he?

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  1. dirtnrocksnreno said, on November 13, 2010 at 7:36 am

    I’m really interested to see how SF’s offseason moves play out. Who will be interested in coming to this club?

  2. TedSpe said, on November 13, 2010 at 7:38 am

    How does one hit 28 dingers under the mendoza line?
    If nothing else, dude’s an anomoly

  3. Flavor said, on November 13, 2010 at 7:39 am

    Free agents HAVE to be aware of what Huff, Burrell and Uribe did here. Only an idiot would miss the reality of how you can turn your career around, as a hitter, at ATT park………

  4. Flavor said, on November 13, 2010 at 7:40 am

    He’s walking a fine line between McGwire and Rob Deer. Throw a little Kingman in there, too. But i really do think his BA would go up hitting at ATT……

  5. TedSpe said, on November 13, 2010 at 7:43 am

    It couldn’t possibly go down

  6. willied said, on November 13, 2010 at 7:51 am

    that’s what I’m saying, Ted. If he can’t hit better than .198, anywhere, he won’t even stay in the league. Mike’s argument the other day that “a hit is better than a walk” has found it’s poster child. Man, that’s a lot of outs in the middle of your LU.

  7. dirtnrocksnreno said, on November 13, 2010 at 8:01 am

    Pena is the bizzaro world of Sabean’s preferred hitters. Has pop, not such a good BA but good OBP. Could happen I guess.

    Bring back Huff, Uribe and Ross. De Rosa stays healthy and rebounds. Belt forces his was to The Show, Sandoval gets his head straight. Sign the SS out of Japan.

    Pie in the sky? Maybe.

  8. TedSpe said, on November 13, 2010 at 8:02 am

    .198? You’re flattering the mofo

  9. San Dog said, on November 13, 2010 at 8:08 am

    I’d throw 3 million for one year at Pena in a heartbeat.
    I’m here in the city looking down at what used to the Beale Street Bar and Grill—-now a huge pile of rubble.
    Got in late last night—-still looking for Orange and Black and World Series Champs banners. Will try to go over by the ballpark soon.

  10. JBat said, on November 13, 2010 at 8:40 am

    Zum said:

    “It’s amazing how finally winning the World Series re-invents all those other seasons. Now, I can enjoy the memories of that ’93 season more.”

    That is perfectly said, Zum. You wrote what I haven’t quite been able to put my finger on. I may finally be able to watch the tapes of the ’02 Series.

  11. twinfan said, on November 13, 2010 at 8:51 am

    .198 is scary. I like LaRoche better… as I posted before, adding a 1B and moving Huff to LF would allow one of the kid SS to play…Uribe appears to be a hot commodity, Dodgers and Cards mentioned prominently… I really think we have to keepp him, even if it means overpaying… or could they move Fruckie, pursue Uggla? Dan is 40-100 here…

  12. twinfan said, on November 13, 2010 at 9:07 am

    Craig, glad to hear that the speakers are working out, the ones that monitors come with really suck.

  13. Macdog said, on November 13, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Even for 3M, I dunno about Pena. He’s about .224 over the last 3 years, that’s just way too big a hole in the lineup for a power guy.

    And agree with Twin, must keep Uribe. His all-or-nothing approach can drive me nuts, but they’d have a hard time replacing all those clutch bombs.

  14. Rough Trade said, on November 13, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Uggla is also a FA in 2012. Can’t see that happening. He’ll want to test the waters.
    Maybe Culberson will be ready to take over 2nd in 2012.

    I also rather see Belt at 1b next yr over an idiot like Laroche, who didn’t even want to play here last yr.
    Some youth would be nice. Other than Posey, they don’t have a starter under 30 unless Pablo goes all Jenny Craig on them.

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on November 13, 2010 at 12:17 pm

      I like getting Uggla if for no other reason that he kills us.

  15. twinfan said, on November 13, 2010 at 9:56 am

    I’m sure we would all like to see Belt, another guy who could be back in the picture is Guzman, I don’t know if he made any progress defensively last year. He’s tearing the cover off the ball in Venezuela again…a Belt/Guzman platoon?

  16. Flavor said, on November 13, 2010 at 10:03 am

    I’m not sure what Guzman would have to do to get a shot—maybe get a shot with a shitty ballclub, which we are not. He’s just AAA filler and maybe a throw in to a small trade to an AL club…….

  17. TedSpe said, on November 13, 2010 at 10:21 am


  18. TedSpe said, on November 13, 2010 at 10:22 am

    I’m sorry.
    I misspelled that.

    • delmardennis said, on November 13, 2010 at 10:39 am

      ” I am particulary glad that these lovely children are here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed the courage little seen in this day and age. ”


  19. stixwiz said, on November 13, 2010 at 10:24 am

    In the same article Urban notes that the Giants have interest in Japanese middle infielder Tsuyoshi Nishioka. His opinion is that the team will likely not want the probable expense. Excellent BA. Steals bases. More of a 2B than a SS but can play that position. I think they should give him a long lookover.

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on November 13, 2010 at 12:15 pm

      no, because it is, I believe, like Dice K, where you have to pay a winning fee just to talk to him; crazy

  20. twinfan said, on November 13, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Just see him as possible DeRosa/Panda insurance ,really. I do think he’d hit here.

  21. dirtnrocksnreno said, on November 13, 2010 at 10:44 am

    I’ve seen Nishioka mentioned a lot and always with the disclaimer that he should play 2b. I don’t get that. If the dude can play SS in Japan I think he can man the position in The Show. Hiitting translating across the pacific is a legit question but if the dude can pick it he can pick it.

  22. alleykat said, on November 13, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Carlos Pena? Pass The guy strikeouts 1 every 3 AB’s.Not who you want in the heart of the order.Plus he’s never played in the NL,so more adjustments and more struggles.Look how much Pat Burrell struggled when he played in the AL.

  23. Craig said, on November 13, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Our main man on the scene just snapped a photo of sabean outside of AT&T park this morning (I’ll load it later). His text too me was short but it spoke volumes: “torres could eat an apple off his head”

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on November 13, 2010 at 12:13 pm

      because he’s related to William Tell? has a dent? hunh?

      • Craig said, on November 13, 2010 at 1:01 pm

        Because he’s short!

  24. Craig said, on November 13, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Btw, our main man is “San dog” I forgot to mention that

  25. alleykat said, on November 13, 2010 at 11:56 am

    As far as the SS from Japan Tsuyoshi Nishioka.I say you have to at least kick the tires and make a bid.Remember the bidding fee is only paid if you sign the player.So Sabean can figure out how much he is willing to spend on say,a three year deal,then subtract an amount for the fee from it,which you think may still leave enough to sign him.If he doesn’t sign you only lose time.It would be ridiculous to ignore the chance to gain talent.

  26. PawlieKokonuts said, on November 13, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    I think everyone agrees we can’t stand pat or live on the emotion of the victory and the parade — however much we will always love this 2010 TEAM. Branch Rickey was known for trading guys in their prime, to get more value. I honestly feel more confident than ever that Mr. Sabean, who bears a resemblance to my own brother, & Co. will combine intuition, data, and poker skills to make good deals. (Sitting at a mall Starbucks, w/ laptop, they’re playing “Simple Twist of Fate” by Dylan, and I am making mental notes that would be best not to divulge. Ah, to be 25 and single. “Latte, honey?” “Espresso?” “Sure.” Then we check out my stamp collection. Shite. Stamp collection?! Gives my feckin age away.)

  27. dirtnrocksnreno said, on November 13, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Yeah but did you hear about the “group” of people that won $129M on the lottery with a ticket purchased at a porn shop? The guy that was willing to come forward said there were more than 2 but less than 100 in the winning group.


    That is some hilarious shit.

    “Let’s see….I’ll take the naked twister 2010 deluxe addition. The combination front back ass dildo. Yeah, yeah. The ribbed one. A box of trojans (magnum of course). Hmmm….How about that Buxom Beauties DVD. Oh, can’t forget the gag ball and cuffs. Shit, I almost forgot. Throw in $100 worth of the lottery tickets. Did you hear? It’s up to $129M.

    Yeah, I know. I got a better chance of getting a gang bang together than winning that.”

    • TedSpe said, on November 13, 2010 at 2:31 pm

      For some reason, I think The Machine is involved in this somewhere

  28. Craig said, on November 13, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Dirt, that’s a fucking hilarious post

  29. zumarust said, on November 13, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Does anyone know if the Cal/Oregon game is being televised in Nor. Cal? And if so, what network is it on?

    • zumarust said, on November 13, 2010 at 2:24 pm

      I did look for it, but can’t find it.

    • TedSpe said, on November 13, 2010 at 2:28 pm

      On COMCAST, it’s on channel 81

    • TedSpe said, on November 13, 2010 at 2:29 pm

      The VERSUS Network

      • zumarust said, on November 13, 2010 at 2:38 pm

        Thanks, Ted! Channel 603 on Direct TV satellite.

  30. zumarust said, on November 13, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Man, I went on SFGate to post the same question about the Cal game, and I see that most of the people posting at the Cal blog site are people who DON’T like Cal. What is up with stupid internet trolls?! They can’t just pick a team to root for, and post THERE, they have to troll sites looking for stuff to hate. Stupid.

    • TedSpe said, on November 13, 2010 at 3:02 pm

      Shocking. It’s like, say if SFGate had, like a Giants blog or something and, like, 3/4 of the people who posted there were, like, assholes…

  31. zumarust said, on November 13, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Ah, you see, if I was into Horse Racing, I’d be more aware of the Versus network. On Direct TV, Versus (Channel 603) is next to a horse racing network (602.)

  32. Flavor said, on November 13, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    the cal game? they’re gonna lose by 40. The game to watch is the Cardinal/AZ St game. Stanford could easily lose this game. I’m a nervous wreck right now……

    • zumarust said, on November 13, 2010 at 3:29 pm

      I’m going to be clicking back and forth between the two games. Cal will just be trying to keep it somewhat reasonably close for a while.
      It’s cool that a West coast team is the #1 team in the nation. Another blow against East-coast sports media bias.

  33. zumarust said, on November 13, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    That photo of Sabean….does he walk with a walking stick? (Politically incorrect to use the word “cane” I’ve been told.)

  34. Flavor said, on November 13, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    it looks like it’s connected to to some sort of rolling suitcase/briefcase thing. But I see what you mean, it does look like a cane. San Dog also texted me this when I asked him if he engaged him: “I just said congrats and shook his hand. I wasn’t gonna suck him off too hard after all the shit I’ve said about him. He actually came off pretty cool”

  35. TedSpe said, on November 13, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    I wasn’t gonna suck him off too hard…. He actually came…

  36. Flavor said, on November 13, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    nobody likes getting sucked off too hard. San Diggity Dog is just one polite Giants fan, I’ll tell ya……

  37. twinfan said, on November 13, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    “Cane” is perfectly PC.. I have several. 4 prongs, twofers, walkers… Maybe I’ll post my cane gallery one day…
    I’m totaly off college football, hope they all lose every game. Ban it.

  38. Flavor said, on November 13, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Twin, your problem is that you’re only focusing on the Kiffin stories, the Newton stories, etc….Once you spend a little time down on The Farm your can’t help but be won over by the virtuous, honest, ethical teachings of Master Harbaugh. All college programs should be run by such a man…..

  39. Flavor said, on November 13, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    gearing up for this epic college football game, I am catching the AZ St feed on 686 and they just did a story on a one legged wrestler who not only competes, he kicks ass. How the fuck does a one-legged wrestler kick ass against his 2 legged wrestling opponents?

  40. twinfan said, on November 13, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    I probably just need to eat another 14 dinners and I’ll feel better…

  41. Flavor said, on November 13, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    as most of you know, in 1931 the rules changed in baseball and balls that bounced over the fence were no longer considered home runs. Since The Babe played until 1935 I was curious to know how many balls he bounced over the fence that got counted as home runs. Apparently, they didn’t keep track of that, but here’s an answer from someone that I found interesting, from a historical perspective……

    “About 22 or more But….

    The number of home runs that Babe Ruth hit that bounced over the wall, and counted as a home run will never be known because it was counted as such. It was estimated that players of that era hit about 2 home runs a year, that bounced over the wall. Counting from 1920 when Babe Ruth became a full time hitter for the Yankees until 1930. (1931 the rule was changed making a ball that bounced over the fence a ground rule double) Babe Ruth would have had about 22 (or more) ground rule doubles that were counted as home runs.
    But the Babe lost more home runs than gained because there was also a rule that the baseball that cleared the wall in fair territory, also had to land in fair territory to be counted as a home run. Further, the rules once stipulated that an over-the-fence home run in a sudden-victory situation would only count for as many bases as was necessary to “force” the winning run home. For example: In a tie game, a ball hit over the wall with a runner on first to end the game would only count as a triple. It was estimated that Babe Ruth would have hit 104 home runs in 1927 when he had 60 home runs counted, and lost between 50 -78 home runs overall, during his career because of these rules.”

  42. stixwiz said, on November 13, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Jeeze. Here i am politely attempting to lurk and here’s this talk about “canes”, walking-sticks and suchlike while i’m sposta be the goddam expert on the subject, probably having carved a good four-five dozen over the course of years. Not really talking canes, though, as they are just for the geezer trade and i’m not there yet. It’s more like staffs, both ornamental and practical as well as various lengths of walking-sticks, wands and whatnots ~ that’s totally aside from the sculptural stuff in Wizard Willow.

    You talking stix, gang, you talking to me. Michael, i prolly owe you one by now for all you have contributed to the blog and Craig, soons i get into the mood to take up that cudgel again, that One-Flap Down sculpture is yours. My carving is intuitive, instinctive and spermathemoment, so can’t just say it’s gonna be that one today and i mean to finish it before supper. It doesn’t work that way. So there are twenty-odd unfinished pieces around the house, nearly half of them not being strictly art/sculptural. Meanwhile, in various residencies of storage there are dozens of finished pieces.

    So Twin, what is your preferred length, strength and presumed fortitude of a Wizard Willow stick? I AM talking sticks so get your collective craniums outta the gutter. Tripods? There is a finished one on hand but it’s only about 3.5′ long, kinda hefty, though. Staffs? A few long, tall Sallies, ranging up to 7′ or more. Standard walking sticks? Generally in the 5-6′ range. Some have lottsa diamonds. Every one is singular, original, unique and one of a kind. Though found from Paris, to Maine , to various burgs around ManySnowta, my Wizard Willow sticks are collectively, sometimes individually, the best on the planet.

    Sabean probably deserves one too for bringing it all back home, but at present i got no way of getting in touch with the dude. Again, TF, let me know what you would prefer and you MAY get it by Xmas. Same with you, Flav, with the sculpture. Living almost exactly halfway between two reservations ~ Red Lake and White Earth ~ yours truly has this distressing to suburbanites habit of doing things in Indian Time. But ultimately it does happen.

    So get in touch, Stix is waiting. Wanna see digitals? stickman@gvtel.com

  43. Flavor said, on November 13, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    I encourage you all to check out Stix’s work, it’s amazing. Twin, you will really enjoy what he’s going to create for you. Stix, I can’t wait to see the oneflapdown piece.

  44. twinfan said, on November 13, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    I don’t really use any of them, Carstie. Sometimes to poke something but not for walking. Let’s get your PC going or replace it with something you can use. I’m concerned that you might have a rotten power source there… as I said in the EMail,see if your friend can reinstall Windows 7. If you still have issues, I’ll work something else out for you, maybe a few dozen tuna squeezers…

  45. Flavor said, on November 13, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Twin, you got any opinions about the Pat Tillman story? I’ve got no idea if you’ve even followed it. I guess the military lying about something isn’t a new story and there might not be an “opinion” per say, but I just thought you might have something to say about that.

  46. twinfan said, on November 13, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    I followed the Tillman saga for a bit but really, there’s so much more that goes back 40+ years for me … it’s too much to digest.

  47. xootsuit said, on November 13, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Qs to ask sabean. When did you know you needed ross to replace guillen

  48. stixwiz said, on November 13, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Flav: Since you broached the topic of Pat Tillma: Get ready. My take is that it was dirty, dirty, dirty and totally political. Having done time in the Iraq Invasion before being transferred to Afghanistan, Tillman started getting second thoughts about our “war efforts” and started going “off message” as the operative phrase goes these days. In other words, the tale on the street is that the hit was what people like John Le Carre (currently reading his ‘Tailor of Panama’) tend to call ‘wet work’ and that which other unnamed parties termed “termination with extreme prejudice”.

    It’s all a matter of symbology. People live and die by and for symbols. Tillman was embraced by the Powers that Be as the ideal Eagle Scout recombination of Pro Sports and Faux News military patriotism. When Tillman woke up to the reality of Imperial aggression he started going dangerously off-message. Thus, he was JFKed; RFKed; MLKed as a potentially powerful threat to the symbological normalcy of perception.

    An internet buddy who did four tours in the Nam as a member of Seal One and i have mutually discussed Tillman and similar personal tragedies on a sustained and ongoing basis. There are a few clear-eyed realists running around, even yet. We realize there is little or nothing we can do about current political realities beyond serve as sounding-boards for each other’s awareness. America may be suffering from a terminal case of cognitive dissonance. Most folks just don’t wanna know. A lot of self-anesthetization going on.

    Hope i didn’t ruin anybody’s evening. Just keep this in mind: The Giants are the reigning World Champs. Coins do not flip up ‘tails’ every single time.

  49. twinfan said, on November 13, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    Sabean brought up a very important issue when questioned about trading one of his starting pitchers… he knew he had no one after MadBum. That was it. The extra bat would not have made the diff, Zito would have been in the PS rotation…ugh.

  50. zumarust said, on November 13, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    I disagree with Stix about Tillman. I’m going to side with Jon Krakauer, whose exhaustively researched book about Tillman is the definitive word on what happened, IMO. Tillman was killed during a completely bungled operation. Tillman even has a little bit of the blame for rushing into a dangerous situation because he thought his brother was in trouble. Tillman ended up trying to hide behind a rock escarpment a foot high. Both U.S. groups thought the other group was the enemy. The whole thing was over in a few minutes. Young, scared, pumped up soldiers, in a confused situation, shooting at each other with high-powered automatic weapons. The bigger crime was the Bush administration’s decision to lie about everything and use Tillman’s death as propaganda for the war, and to help get Bush re-elected in ’04.

  51. xootsuit said, on November 13, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Sorry to lower the level of discourse, but Cal has played with some serious cojones tonight. I still expect Stanford to win next week, but you can be sure Harbaugh will be working hard this week so he can be sure.

    • zumarust said, on November 13, 2010 at 7:48 pm

      Great effort from Cal. What a close game. 15-13.

  52. Flavor said, on November 13, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Fuck Cal, I hate them more than ever right now. And that fucking shitty little kicker can suck my dick. Stupid fucking college kickers. They should all be burned at the stake……..
    ZOOM—-totally agree with your post about Tillman…..

    • zumarust said, on November 13, 2010 at 8:26 pm

      BF, I share the frustration about kickers, but I do think that the coach shares some blame for going conservative on that third down call, going with a running play, and basically settling for a fieldgoal for the one point lead. I think if you’re trying to beat the #1 team, you gotta throw that thing into the endzone on third down. But then again, he was feeling pretty confident at that point that his defense could hold a one point lead, with good reason.

  53. xootsuit said, on November 13, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    If Stanford had played Oregon with half the guts Cal showed tonight Stanford would be headed to the BCS championship right now. But they didn’t have the balls to match their talent, then. Question is, do they now? Stanford is notoriously wimpy when it counts.

    • JBat said, on November 14, 2010 at 12:35 pm

      Stanford is a tough team since Harbaugh took over, physically and in terms of talent. Flavor is correct, Autzen Stadium is one of the toughest places to play in the country. I think you’re off here xoot.

  54. Flavor said, on November 13, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    totally stupid, pointless, unprovable claim. Stanford playing at Oregon, vs Cal playing at home are two different, incomparable things. There’s no fucking way in a million years that Cal plays like that if it was in Oregon. Now, if Stanford comes to Cal and plays “wimpy”, I’ll eat those words………
    I still can’t get over what a dickless, sackless fuck that kicker for Cal is. FUCK HIM………

  55. twinfan said, on November 13, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    I’m guessing someone missed a kick?

  56. max808 said, on November 13, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    We’ll never know, but very likely Oregon wins the game anyway. They controlled the ball in the last 8 min and could easily have kicked a FG to win it 18-16.

    Isn’t it better Oregon wins out, so Stanford has a shot at the Rose Bowl?

  57. TedSpe said, on November 13, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    Say how about that Pacquiao, huh

  58. zumarust said, on November 13, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    I can’t remember if anyone posted a link to this montage:

    • TedSpe said, on November 13, 2010 at 10:47 pm

      I can’t remember either but it was still nice to see again

  59. PawlieKokonuts said, on November 14, 2010 at 8:19 am

    Zumie, I had not seen it. Terrific. Very well composed. I love it. Thanks.

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