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Good Bye Uribe. Now Who is Our SS for 2011?

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 30, 2010

With my post preceding the Uribe announcement by about 6 hours yesterday, I am feeling pretty good about my predictions these days. I’m taking Jeter and Reyes off the table because that’s just stupid-talk. We are now left with a lot of underwhelming question marks. Whether we sign them, trade for them or just insert them into the LU, who do you think our SS in 2011 is going to be?



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  1. twinfan said, on November 30, 2010 at 7:54 am

    I went with Tejada. And he should like it here, his power is mostly to LF-175 of his 300. I’d think he’d do bettter than he did in San Diego. As much as we love Juan, Tejada is a better player. I should say WAS, but remember that Uribe hardly looked ready for the numbers he put up here. He was coming off 3 consecutive sub-.700 OPS years in Chicago. Miggy is older but if they could get him on a 1 year, he won’t cost players like the others and none are safer bets, IMO…
    With all that blather out of the way, I’d still make a first baseman the priority since Travis will not get a real shot. The more I look at his numbers as he moved up, and his winter stats, the more I think Belt is Snow-Lite. Looks to be a .280 15 HR guy to me…
    Looking at the FA market and the Giants’ needs, I’d be interested in Barajas or Olivo, and Pena, LaRoche, Dunn…in that order for the first basemen.

  2. zumarust said, on November 30, 2010 at 8:29 am

    Coletti was interviewed on MLB network. Somehow I had missed the fact that Russell Martin’s injury last season was a broken hip, speaking of broken hips.
    Coletti sounded unsure about Martin’s status longterm. I don’t know what their catcher Plan B is.

  3. zumarust said, on November 30, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Funny moment in the Niner game last night, when the broadcasters puzzled over why Brian Westbrook had gotten only 10 touches in the first 10 games. I think the Niners’ lack of imagination left them flummoxed.

  4. stixwiz said, on November 30, 2010 at 8:43 am

    TF: Projecting Belt as Snow-lite is a bit of a snap decision IMHO. True, his numbers declined moderately (particularly SB’s) as he climbed the ladder up the divisions. But this decline, as it were, took place in a mere matter of weeks and not over many months or even years. His HR numbers are moderate, but with that frame (reminding me somewhat of Dave Kingman) and his youth, i would expect those figures to gradually rise into the 25 range over the next three or four seasons.

    Belt made quick adjustments as he ascended the ladder, facing tougher and tougher pitching and better defense. My thought is that the relative decline had as much to do with adjustment time as anything else. There is a pretty good chance that in his first ML season Belt’s stats will be in the Snow-lite and 7 Dwarfs range. But long-term? I think he projects as a .300 hitter with 40 doubles, ten triples and 25 dingers. Book it.

    • twinfan said, on November 30, 2010 at 9:14 am

      You can book a stay in “B” for a spell, Carstie…

      • stixwiz said, on November 30, 2010 at 9:45 am

        Twin: Only you can make such an ex-cathedra pronouncement without a single bit of backup explanation. You own Room B and you can keep it to yourself unless you would prefer to present a countering analysis of why Belt could only be Snow-lite at best over the course of an ML career. Sometimes you shoot from the hip before lining up your target or even correctly ascertaining the identity of the target.

        There was absofuckinglutely nothing “Room B” about my statement. Now tell us why Belt’s meteoric surge through three levels of the minor leagues and his performance in the Arizona previews condemns him to the long-term status of Snow-lite and the 7 Dwarfs. Maybe you do have the instincts of a great talent scout. But you do gotta share those insights. I won’t be put off, or put down, by a few dismissive words. You have more baseball knowledge than myself or anyone else on the blog. All you gotta do is share.

      • twinfan said, on November 30, 2010 at 10:20 am

        His numbers at Fresno and the AFL support my statement. You’ll enjoy B, don’t get snippy about it. Elyse may even stop by…

      • stixwiz said, on November 30, 2010 at 10:43 am

        Michael: There you go again. Unsupported blather. How long was Belt at Fresno? As for AFL, the power numbers were not there, but otherwise, Belt was there. You need to counter substantive arguments with equally, if not more so, substantive ripostes. Your original statement on Belt was quite flippant and i called you on it, but not in a disrespectful manner. Respect IS a two-way street.

      • twinfan said, on November 30, 2010 at 11:10 am

        So projecting .300 40 doubles 10 triples 25 HR is a “substantive” argument ?
        Sorry, Carstie, you earned an extra night in B…
        Look, I’d love to be wrong, I was the first to even notice the kid tearing up A ball. But he just does not project as a power hitter, certainly not at ATT.. with power bats elsewhere, Snow-Lite could be OK. Now settle down, I’ve asked Elyse to stop in at B this evening..

      • stixwiz said, on November 30, 2010 at 11:40 am

        My projections, Michael, were based on Belt’s minor league achievements this year ~ his FIRST year in organized baseball. Granted, the 25 HR projection runs a bit higher than current stats would suggest, but with his age and his rangy body type, such a direction would not be at all out of line with his prospects. As you well know, i follow SF’s minor league standouts nearly as closely as you, Michael, and began watching Belt as soon as he started putting up the numbers. Granted, it is a bit of a jump to presume that Belt will be a power hitter. Its quite equally a matter of presumption to insist he will not be.

        Sorry, i’m not suitable for Room B, never have been and am not currently likely to become so. Place me there and you can go enjoy the ministrations of Hilda in Room C.

  5. stixwiz said, on November 30, 2010 at 9:00 am

    The pins are falling fast in free-agent alley. The best SP options, save Lee and Pavano, have already been swept up. There is little available in middle I.F.s. OFs like Crawford and Werth will get some team/s digging deep and going long. Looks like the Anaheim chilies will be big players in those sweepstakes. Quite a few OFs of less than stellar quality and quite a raft of relievers available.

    Looking from the perspectives of other teams towards the World Champs, the mantra now has swung over to starting pitching. There is a great hunger. Sabean will get many approaches and possibly some offers at the Winter Meetings. Realistically, he will not cede Lincecum, Cain or Bumgarner. Sanchez is a possibility but the cost would be high and could even be linked to a team also taking on Zito and say, half his salary.

    Hear me out. The linkage trade would necessitate a front-line SS and a serviceable #4 starter (3.75 to 4.25 level ERA) to replace Zito, essentially.
    Team most fitting the projection? Mets. Sanchez and Zito for Reyes and Pelfrey. Mets would get a second ace to go with Santana, making them NL East contenders. Burriss could be tossed in to give them a middle infield option. Giants would still have 3 aces and an average #4. Someone like Runzler would have to become fifth starter. Though an injury hazard, Reyes would bring speed to the top of the lineup and good defense.

    Would either team go for it? Hell if i know. But it would make for a fascinating trade, particularly on the part of the reigning World Champs.

  6. zumarust said, on November 30, 2010 at 9:11 am

    I’m not into trading J. Sanchez. We have our big 4, and I think we need to just hang onto it. I was watching a MLB network show last night that did a segment on the Orioles big 4 that each won 20 games one season- Palmer, McNally, Dobson, and Cuellar. I’m not saying that our big 4 is like their big 4 necessarily, but I’d like to see how our big 4 keeps developing as a unit. Zito’s the number 5. He’s OK for a number 5.
    I’d like to see the Giants sign Tejada for a season, and give the young shortstops another season to develop in the minors. Maybe one of them will emerge eventually.

  7. Unca Chuck said, on November 30, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Yeah, I don;t think Sabean changes course at this point and trades any of his starting pitching.

    The offer would have to be pretty damn good to even trade Drrrty.

    Zito? Highly unlikely . . . He gets pushed down to the 5 hole, where expectations are tiny, and maybe he can become a .500 pitcher.

  8. Unca Chuck said, on November 30, 2010 at 9:18 am

    40-57 is about in line with a #5 guy . . . .

    $126 million be damned . . .

  9. twinfan said, on November 30, 2010 at 9:21 am

    Astounding that anyone persists with the idea that Zito can be traded without the Giants picking up the majority of the $ left or absorbing an equally odious contract in return ( if there is such an animal)…

  10. TedSpe said, on November 30, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Well , you can take Jeter out of the mix. But the Giants *are* talking to his agent. Maybe it’s just a formality, but…

  11. Big Flavor said, on November 30, 2010 at 9:58 am

    on youtube searching for that cialis commercial that busted me up so good last night. Can’t find it but there are some pretty hysterical videos related to cialis.

  12. stixwiz said, on November 30, 2010 at 10:02 am

    My point on bringing up Sanchez is that he is the only possible starter Sabean would consider trading, and that, as others have pointed out, is quite unlikely. By adding Zito to the equation, my impulse was to try and place myself in Brian’s shoes. Currently, he owns the game. He’s in the driver’s seat. “Wanna talk starting pitching with me? Fine. The discussion begins with Sanchez and ends with Zito. Unless you bowl me over by an offer for Drrrty, he is immovably linked with Zito. Won’t even talk about the other three.”

    Sabean owns the Winter Meetings this go-round and he knows it. He probably also knows that successful teams do not simply stand on their laurels and that successful GMs are always willing to talk. Standing on top of the mountain, however, Sabean is now in the position where the offers must come from the other guys. He can pretty much play hardball.

    “Sure, we’ll trade Drrrty. He’s got a buddy named Zito. Who will you give us for the pair of em?” Such an approach would either shut em up or get em thinking.

    Giants set, or more likely, reestablished the standard for post-season success: Starting pitching and plenty of it. Top quality only, please. No team with PS aspirations will go past the Break without at least a pair of dominant aces to make their run. Giants set the norm at three and probably four. Other organizations, hungry for a title, now realize they must have a set of top-line starters to compete. Being hungry like that may make them a bit willing to go a bit over the line ~ like taking on half of Zito’s salary.

  13. Big Flavor said, on November 30, 2010 at 10:04 am

    and please, don’t give me any shit for poking a little fun at the ED commercials. As I found out today, there about a million ED spoofs on youtube. And many of them are hysterical….
    Kinda surprised Theriot isn’t getting any love in the poll. The Dodgers could easily get rid of him now and Sabean could give a shit about OBP guys. He could be a Giant next year……

  14. Big Flavor said, on November 30, 2010 at 10:04 am

    twin, did I miss an MRI result post?

    • twinfan said, on November 30, 2010 at 10:24 am

      Still waiting, Craig…

  15. snarkk said, on November 30, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Why would Sabes pay a declining Jeter $45M for three years, but not Uribe less than 1/2 that for the same time? Because Sabes drafted him an ice age ago? Because the Zito and Rohand contracts aren’t horrible enough that we need one more? Uribe is younger, has more pop, and had an established clubhouse leadership role. Talking to Jeter’s agent must be about where to have lunch in New York — I see some window dressing going on…

    • stixwiz said, on November 30, 2010 at 10:53 am

      Maybe Sabean misses all that NY drama. I mean he CAN’T be serious about Jeter and his declining stats and thoroughly NY attitude. He’d be a pure poison pill for SF and i’m sure Neukom and the boys are quite on top of that. Your “window dressing” assessment has to be pretty close to the mark.

      Maybe Brian feels he’s a ‘player’ now at last and simply has to stay in the limelight. As he is not likely to make any major moves at the Winter Meetings, Jeter is as good an excuse as any for this kinda dumpster diving. And maybe he is being a bit of a rogue and looks to get the Steinbrenners to part with some more of that huge revenue flow by getting Jeter to believe he’s in demand and thereby extending his holdout for ridiculous sums.

  16. Bozo said, on November 30, 2010 at 10:19 am

    OK, this thought may get me banned from Room B even. But, before setting the torches ablaze and sending me off with dear Elyse, hear me out.
    How about Pete Happy? I don’t think he’s going to get many starting third base offers so he’s probably already thinking of moving into a utility role. He played SS coming up and played a few games in the majors. Has soft hands and can give you some production from that position. Can fill in at third, first and the OF if needed. If he’s healthy (I think he may have had some back issues) and if he’s OK going back to the Giants. I think a one year deal with a team option might work for all and not break the bank.
    OK, off to find my dear Elyse.

    • Rough Trade said, on November 30, 2010 at 10:38 am

      That’s a pretty ‘odious’ proposal.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 30, 2010 at 3:06 pm

      Bozo, who is Pete Happy???? Is he a real person?

  17. Big Flavor said, on November 30, 2010 at 10:25 am

    I just never liked Feliz. Maybe it was the unrealized potential, maybe it was the unrealistic expectations I had for him, maybe it was the “Rowand-like” ground balls to third base….Maybe it was all three of those things. Or none of them.
    Guys his age move FROM SS to 3rd, they don’t go the other way….

    • Bozo said, on November 30, 2010 at 10:51 am

      “Guys his age move FROM SS to 3rd, they don’t go the other way….”

      So you don’t want Tejada?

      I do know what you mean by Feliz and those fucking ground outs and swinging at outside shit in the dirt, fucking dude used to drive me nuts. But, he is a smooth fielder that I think could handle the duties at short (with Burriss in the mix) and add some infield flexibility that we lost with Uribe.

  18. TedSpe said, on November 30, 2010 at 10:26 am

    and please, don’t give me any shit for poking a little fun at the ED commercials.
    Not this crowd. That would be like admitting something

  19. Rough Trade said, on November 30, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Theriot and Fontenot ARE said to be buddies? Gets a neg -Rtot, however.

    I think they want a strong defensive presence at SS and will sacrifice offense. But not someone as punchless as Burriss. He’s only on my team if they are hit with injuries.
    I think Tejada will get a bigger contract elsewhere, so I’m going with Hardy or Bartlett in that order. Either one should be avail for mid level prospect (s).

  20. zumarust said, on November 30, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Chuck is not off his rocker. That NFC West is winnable. Even with a 7-9 record. I’m on the bandwagon! Yeah, the bandwagon has wobbly wheels, and it’s slogging through mud, and it’s moving at glacial speed; but the other teams in the division are just as bad! Why not SF? Check out the comparative schedules. No one’s probably going to be winning games out of the division the rest of the way.

    • delmardennis said, on November 30, 2010 at 11:31 am

      Winning the division at 7-9 would be a goddamn joke. You cannot be seriously rooting for that to happen. It is wrong for so many reasons. Chief among them being a complete and utter embarrassment. I’ll be god damned if my 49ers, the five-time World Champion 49ers become the butt of every joke in America. Not to mention winning the division at 7-9 *could* keep Singletary’s job. I doubt it, but it *could*. That alone is reason enough to root against it.

  21. twinfan said, on November 30, 2010 at 11:35 am

    I know that 7-9 could win it… just don’t think it will.

  22. Big Flavor said, on November 30, 2010 at 11:35 am

    why not root for them to get into the playoffs? 7-9? 8-8? Who gives a shit. Playoff football is awesome and we would start with a home game at Candlestick. I’m WAY past expecting ownership to make a sound football decision so rooting for them to win the shit division they are in is really all that’s left to root for. I still don’t think they’re going to win the division but I sure as hell want to see it happen…..

    • Kevin said, on November 30, 2010 at 11:49 am

      That is the best reason I have heard to root for the Niners to get in, fuck management and coaching they don’t know what they are doing so lets just root for the team!! Dennis you should even be able to get behind that!!

      • delmardennis said, on November 30, 2010 at 12:23 pm

        I am not and will not get behind that shit. Just watching Singletary’s press conf confirms my stance even more staunchly. The man is a complete and utter idiot.

  23. Rough Trade said, on November 30, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Gruden went on a rant about how the Commish should step in and disallow a 7-9 division winner from going to the playoffs.
    I guess he’s not lobbying to replace Sing.

    • TedSpe said, on November 30, 2010 at 12:01 pm

      That’ll never happen. If it’s just by W-L records alone you wouldn’t have divisions

  24. twinfan said, on November 30, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Chuckie Gee may or may not be a good coach but he’s a fucking idiot in the booth. There’s a difference between being critical and just being negative, Gruden doesn’t understand that.
    Poor Tirico, who’s pretty good. He deserves a better partner(s)…

  25. Rough Trade said, on November 30, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    The 49er’s would go into the playoffs not having beat one team over .500.

    Doesn’t look that hard. IF 49er’s can beat Stl, Sea and Az…

    and Stl loses to NO, KC and/or Sea.

    and Sea loses to Tampa , Atlanta and/or STL.

  26. Big Flavor said, on November 30, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    I rather enjoyed Gruden last night. I liked his analysis of the snap count and how the defense was shouting out words that sounded like the snap call in order to get the offense to jump off sides. I never thought of that, I found that interesting. And when he called out Anderson for yucking it up on the sidelines with his team getting killed, I liked that too.

  27. Big Flavor said, on November 30, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    “jump off sides”. I meant “move early”

  28. Big Flavor said, on November 30, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    And as Giants fans we should all be applauding the Rockies for locking Tulo up through 2020. How fucking stupid was that? In today’s game it makes NO SENSE to lock up one guy for that amount of $ for that much time. That’s a friggin 1/4 of their payroll. All he’s gotta do is get hurt of begin a production decline (a virtual certainty between now and 2020) and the Rockies are fucked……

  29. Big Flavor said, on November 30, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    put your money into scouting and player development—never give out a deal longer than 5 years and try to keep it to 3 years— that’s how to be successful in today’s league. Don’t throw all your dough on one dude, that’s just idiotic….

  30. delmardennis said, on November 30, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Gruden is fanfuckintastic. If he decides to never coach again he has a permanent place in the MNF booth.

    Westbrook goes for 136 last night and Singletary has already announced they’ll have to be “smart” and limit his touches because of his past history of concussions. What a fucking crock of total shit. If you’re cleared to play for one down, you’re cleared to play them all. He ran the ball 23 times last night, were was the concern then? Westbrook has a great game, albeit against a horrendous Cardinals team, and now the plan is to hold him back more. Brilliant.

  31. Kevin said, on November 30, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Yes and the Giants proved that with Bonds and Zits. I am thankful that Sabean learned a lesson from that. I wished he had learned it before Zito but at least he has learned. That put your money into scouting and Developement is the way to go in todays baseball. At least until the next untraceable Steroid comes around!!

    • Rough Trade said, on November 30, 2010 at 12:53 pm

      I think the G’s profited very nicely from the Bonds signing. Especially the original SIX yr deal.

  32. delmardennis said, on November 30, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    “The Niners are just a game out of it.” I swear to fucking Christ if I hear that one more time I’ll lose it.

    Yes, they are one game out. They are one game out of last place.

  33. twinfan said, on November 30, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Calling out Anderson was utter bullshit… he had zero way of knowing what was going down. Guys laugh from embarassment, they laugh insteadof crying, whatever. If you watched later, it’s fucking obvious that Anderson was hardly laughing off a poor performance. Even the ESPN studio guys took Anderson’s side on this.
    Gruden is a fucking asshole.

  34. twinfan said, on November 30, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    As far as winning the division, I don’t give a shit if they won it at 4-12… they’ve been totally competitive against 3 likely playoff teams.. but therein lies the problem. Troy Smith was not the QB against NO, Atlanta, and Philly…

    • delmardennis said, on November 30, 2010 at 1:00 pm

      You just couldn’t avoid sneaking in “if only they had Alex” line could you?

      And being “totally competitive” against 3 likely playoff teams don’t mean shit. Good teams find ways to win games, and bad ones find ways to lose them. The 49ers are a bad team.

      • Kevin said, on November 30, 2010 at 1:03 pm

        Well that is where I disagree, Bad coaching, play calling, management yes, bad or not talented players I disagree!!

      • twinfan said, on November 30, 2010 at 1:11 pm

        What it means is that I disagree that they would embarass themselves. And Kevin is right, they do have the talent.

      • Rough Trade said, on November 30, 2010 at 1:16 pm

        We’ll see how they do against Rodgers this week. Or Rivers in a couple of weeks. They had help last night because Anderson is arguably the worst QB in all of football.

  35. delmardennis said, on November 30, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Was it bad coaching, bad play calling or bad management that caused Nate Clements to run after his INT only to fumble late in the Atl gm that almost assuredly would have locked up the win?

    Seemed like a bad player move to me.

    • Unca Chuck said, on November 30, 2010 at 1:35 pm

      Yeah, and the defense failed in the NO and Atl games. Why? Schemes.

      Fucking soft coverage that gave up the middle of the field and allowed both teams to march down the field in little time to kick the GW FGs. Even Alex’s debacle vs Philly, there was a chance at the end.

      Yeah, it pisses me off to no end. But, like the Giants the last couple years, if they are in the race, they are in the race. yeah, I’m probably get my hopes crushed yet again, but what the fuck? Root for them to lose?

      Sorry, still can’t go there yet.

  36. delmardennis said, on November 30, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    No, Kevin is not right. They don’t have the talent. They don’t have a QB. Until then, they don’t have enough talent.

    • Kevin said, on November 30, 2010 at 1:45 pm

      Shit Dennis the Niners have had a revolving door at the QB position. You can not expect to have a quality QB who plays 3- 4 games and then coaching changes and he is benched for another one. IMO Alex has talent so does Troy. Who is better?? who the fuck knows when one game you are handing it off to the RB and the next it is all on the QB to get it down the field. IMO no QB could have made it in the 49er organization over the last 4-5 years, Manning no, Brady no, Rothlesburger no, none of them and those guys have talent. And that falls on Management and coaching to develope players. Alex will probably never be a good QB due to the way he was coached!!

  37. Unca Chuck said, on November 30, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Fucking B Gay isn’t that good. They have NO running game to speak of. They are beatable. By the Niners? It may not even matter.

    It comes down the the same shit as always. Will Singletary let the offense go downfield?

    Will they sustain any kind of pass rush?

    These are the 2 biggest keys. GB doesn’t run well, or much, so they’ll abandon that early. Rodgers likes to hold the ball too long. Get in his face. Hit him early.

    The Niners, for the most part yesterday, didn’t commit stupid penalties. They avoided the killer turnover.

    They got a lead and kept the pressure on.

    These are things they’ve refused to do all year.

    Does it mean they win? Fuck no.

    Singletary’s track record in big games is worse than dried dog shit on toast.

    Can he win ONE biog game before he gets fired?

  38. twinfan said, on November 30, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Dennis said the same shit about the Giants until he was forced to eat it. Fucking ignore him-Born to Doom…

  39. alleykat said, on November 30, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Scratch Theriot off the SS poll..Dodgers traded him to StLouis for RHP Blake Hawksworth.

  40. Kevin said, on November 30, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    This is my wallpaper on my work computer


  41. twinfan said, on November 30, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Cool, Kevin. I think the ’91 Twins were the first WS team to be on the Wheatie’s box…

  42. Kevin said, on November 30, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Oh wow I didn’t even think of it as the Wheaties box. I just liked all the players and stuff on it

  43. stixwiz said, on November 30, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    John Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal over at Fox Sports hold it that the Giants are in hot pursuit of Jason Bartlett. They noted that the Rays are short of relievers and speculated that Ray and Ramirez, having AL experience, may be under consideration in the propounded deal.

    Personally, Bartlett would be about my third option after Hardy and Tejada, but it appears the Rays are motivated movers and if the price is a readily replaced reliever along with a bullpen prospect not named Edlefsen, the price may not be exorbitant for what might work out to a year’s rental. Anybody got insights beyond the doability of the deal, why Sabean & Co would go the Bartlett route?

    • delmardennis said, on November 30, 2010 at 2:32 pm

      Here’s the link to the article: http://tinyurl.com/2dz5cej

      Bartlett is termed a better “small ball” player. That’s not the way we like to roll. I think Hardy and his power is the better fit as well.

  44. twinfan said, on November 30, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    There’s been so much Bartlett talk, I tend to think there is a lot to it. I wouldn’t freak on that, he’s “acceptable”. Don’t want to be on the opposite side from Stix again, but I’m not as high on Edlefsen as he is. Low 90’s, middling control… I see a 7th inning guy there… Ray and Ramirez sounds about right…

  45. stixwiz said, on November 30, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Edlefsen as a 7th inning guy would be fine by me. Ray and Ramirez each cost a bunch more, so if the kid is up for that, he’d make a fine replacement at an affordable price.

    Bartlett is not without punch. He has some speed. His defense appears to be his weaker suit. So maybe Crawford gets the early up to be the late innings guy?

  46. delmardennis said, on November 30, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Coming to a light pole near you…http://twitpic.com/3bpzc0/full

    • TedSpe said, on November 30, 2010 at 3:00 pm

      Cool dennis. Do you kinow where that was taken?

      • delmardennis said, on November 30, 2010 at 4:24 pm

        No clue. Just thought it was a pretty neat pic I found from Twitter.

  47. alleykat said, on November 30, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    I wouldn’t mind the Giants taking a look at Jed Lowrie as well.Had a nice season in limited amount of playing time…171 AB’s .287 avg .387 OBP .527 SLG .907 OPS 9HR’S 14 2B’s 31 runs scored 24 Rbi’s.

    Don’t know what package it would take or if the Redsox’s would be willing to trade him,but he would smoke Bartlett in power numbers and OBP if given 550 AB’s .

  48. zumarust said, on November 30, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    “We’ll see how they do against Rodgers this week. Or Rivers in a couple of weeks.”

    Well, yeah, they’ll probably lose those games. No one’s questioning that. But wins against the division opponents could get them the division title.
    Then, heck, we get to host a playoff game. That’d be a kick.

  49. zumarust said, on November 30, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Gruden is OK on the football knowledge part of broadcasting, but he does come across as sounding arrogant. Like he’s in love with the sound of his own voice. Guys like that end up annoying people. It’s the Joe Buck syndrome.

  50. blade3colorado said, on November 30, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Regarding the Tulo signing for 7-yr/134M . . . As Flav pointed out, this is a very STUPID move by the Rockies, especially considering that the Rockies have made this same mistake 4 times (by my count) with Hampton, Neagle, Helton, and now Tulowitski. Only good thing that comes from this is that my cousin will probably score more freebies (tickets, swag, etc.) from Tulo’s dad, whom he is becoming fast friends with.

  51. twinfan said, on November 30, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    Medical news in Room B…

  52. Flavor said, on November 30, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    My problem with Gruden isn’t his voice, it’s that absurdly gay parted-down-the-middle hair *hairdo* that he’s got right now. He looks like Keith Urban, in a bad way……

    • TedSpe said, on November 30, 2010 at 5:04 pm

      You have to admit. It was pretty damn funny when Gruden said “You stupid bitch! You filthy slut! I’ll teach you to fuck with me!”

  53. Flavor said, on November 30, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    regarding DerekAndersonGate: So fucking what if the cameras caught him laughing with a teammate for like 2 seconds on the sidelines. I don’t condone Anderson’s TV tirade but I think it’s lame to condemn a guy for laughing on the sidelines during a blowout. We have no idea what was said or why he was laughing. If Anderson was caught guffawin’ it up over and over again on the sidelines all game long, yeah, I could see why he should take some shit. But fuck this automatic condemnation over a few seconds of film……

  54. delmardennis said, on November 30, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Giants sign NO Miggy for 1 yr 6.5

  55. delmardennis said, on November 30, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    Tejada has led the NL in GIDPs in five of the last seven years.

    Who needs Orson now.

  56. TedSpe said, on November 30, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Okay, well fine. At least the guessing game’s over. If you’re going to do it, 1 year’s about right

  57. Billy said, on November 30, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Dang. Inked Miggy for 6.5? did anyone think he’d get that much?

  58. delmardennis said, on November 30, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    I’d be OK with it if not for the sole reason that he’s 136 yrs old.

  59. twinfan said, on November 30, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    6.5, 5.5, 2.5.. hardly fucking matters. One year is the key, good job Sabes..

  60. snarkk said, on November 30, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    I’m cool with Miggy at one year. He should be better than Rent and his elbow. Plus, can’t the Giants deduct from his salary his social security benefits?…

  61. Billy said, on November 30, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Whatever the money, its not coming from my wallet. He’s a very good fit for this team.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 30, 2010 at 5:39 pm

      Exactly Billy. Not my money either. Besides, we won the frickin’ World Series . . . Anything after this year is GRAVY . . . and more basking.

  62. blade3colorado said, on November 30, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Mike, I sent you an email. No hurry either (at your convenience). Read your medical news. Hopefully, more clarification and good news on Thursday or Friday regarding the results.

  63. xootsuit said, on November 30, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Good deal. I’m impressed w the giants way. They’re far from done this winter.

  64. TedSpe said, on November 30, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    So what’s this I read Uribe asked the Giants for 3/$25, Giants counter offered with 3/$20 so he took the Dodgers 3/$21. If true, I guess there *was* slightly something personal in the decision to go to L.A. When you’re talking that much money, a mill here or there shouldn’t have too much bearing on a purely financial decision.

  65. twinfan said, on November 30, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    He might not have forgotten how they frucked around with Sanchezes status to get Juan for less $..
    But the coolest part now is that the Dodgers are paying him for helping the Giants win the World Series…

  66. TedSpe said, on November 30, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    Could be. When you’ve played with an organization for 2 years, win the motherfucking WORLD SERIES with them, for chrissake, they offer a big pay raise on a multi year deal and you turn them down over a million?
    Yeah, it has the appearence of bad blood. Too bad.

    • TedSpe said, on November 30, 2010 at 6:27 pm

      Oh, plus you go the the fucking Dodgers??!! Uribe may not have any personal bad blood with L.A. but the man’s not an idiot. He knows how it looks

      • Rough Trade said, on November 30, 2010 at 6:59 pm

        Maybe he just likes a warmer climate for his chronically tight hamstrings. I also don’t think the Giants wanted to give him the guaranteed 3rd yr. Either way, this works out fine. G’s continue to be pro active and spend when they have a need. Full sail ahead.

  67. stixwiz said, on November 30, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    We can live with Tejada. His range may not be great, but he is steady. He does not have Uribe’s power, but will garner 170 or so hits, 40-50 of which will go for extra bases, mostly doubles. No speed left, but does not strike out a whole bunch. Doesn’t draw many walks either, though. At a listed 5’9″ and 200+, he should help Panda keep the left side of that infield from blowing away if the winds get strong.

    Checked out the comments on the deal over at MLBTR and noted that a number of the bloggers, including a bunch of Giants fans, figure that Sabes is not done reinforcing the infield and will trade for Bartlett, Hardy or Scutaro, meaning Miggy replaces Panda or goes super-sub. Don’t think that will happen, particularly with a $6.5M pricetag. Much more likely Crawford or Burriss will be moved up to learn at the upper level and play some late-inning D. That formula worked out pretty well for Bochy this year.

    Giants will turn now to a backup catcher. There are some decent choices out there. My thought on first base is that they are looking to segue Huff into Belt by mid-season or so, with Thong-Man moving to L.F. However, if there is some decent 1B still hanging around in another 3-5 weeks Sabes might strike. Another possibility is a speedy young outfielder, possibly with little or no MLB experience coming in a trade.

    Primary gaping hole for SF is now filled. Sabean can go to the Winter Meetings without looking to be hungry or sniffing the stale bread. Bossing the World Champs does have a certain cachet. He will hear some offers, proposals and see some trial balloons. Brian will be paying attention but is quite unlikely to do anything rash. He does not need to.

  68. PawlieKokonuts said, on November 30, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Yeah, I just don’t like the Johnny Damon-ish taste of the Uribe exit; hope it is not as sour as it looks. But, hey, it’s not my problem. I’m not crazy about the Miggy deal but I’ll keep an open mind. I’m confident the story is not over regarding personnel moves. As someone who sent a handwritten thank-you note to both Sabes and to BowTie, I will trust them to build on success breeding success.

  69. San Dog said, on November 30, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    I hope that not’s true that Uribe left for a million bucks spread over 3 years.

    @Dennis-I’ve been getting some good mileage out of your classic “Next, Colletti is gonna go after the turkey sandwich on Sabean’s desk” line with my Dogger fan friends. Hilarious.

    Tejada for a year at 6.5 mill gets two thumbs up from me.


    I can dig that line-up.

  70. alleykat said, on November 30, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    I guess Sabean really believes that Tejada’s 2011 performance will be 6 MM better then Rohlinger’s would be.That’s not terribly crazy,but his reluctance to roll the dice on young players drives me nuts.And that’s 6 million we could use to sign Jamie Moyer in 2012!

    I assume now Sabean will resign Renteria now as our “young” backup SS to Tejada as well.

    • Rough Trade said, on November 30, 2010 at 7:06 pm

      They can have Rohlinger as a backup rather than Burriss. Anything but Burris. The guy is the weakest hitter I’ve seen since Lemaster.

    • twinfan said, on November 30, 2010 at 7:22 pm

      Everytime I begin to have hope for you, you come up with one of these,Kat. Rohlinger has done nothing to merit “rolling the dice”. The doomer notion that they know nothing about a kid unless they play himin the bigs every day is reeeeeaaaaaaly, uh, not smart thinking. But the good news: Stix has company in B tonight. Head on over, the custodian will check you in.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 30, 2010 at 7:39 pm

      Good one Kat . . . still chuckling.

  71. zumarust said, on November 30, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    I like the Tejada signing. He’ll be a nice fit for the ’11 season.

  72. macdog said, on November 30, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    It’s such an underwhelming bunch of shortstops, I guess Tejada is the best option. And Sabean has certainly struck gold with the 1-year stopgap vets approach. My biggest fear is how much they’ll miss Uribe’s clutchiness factor. That aspect of his game will not be easily replaced.

  73. Unca Chuck said, on November 30, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    Why would Uribe be pissed at our front office? A dfference that minimal isn’t an insult. All I heard was that the Giants wouldn’t offer a 3rd year.

    Oh well. Come on down, Miggy . . .

  74. Flavor said, on November 30, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    tomorrow’s thread comes early……

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