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How is this Team Going to Start Scoring Runs?

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on May 2, 2011

Friday night we get shutout by a journeyman pitcher, Saturday our lone offensive hit was an Eli Whiteside bomb, and yesterday we score 2 runs on a bloop that should have been caught. The talkshows are abuzz with what to do, how to fix this, etc. There really is only 2 viable plans that I can see:

1) Leave everything the way it is and hope the vets aren’t all collectively finished with their careers at the exact same time. Remember, we got to the playoffs last year with almost this exact same offense. Pablo and Renteria did very little to GET US to the playoffs. So we are really only missing Uribe and he alone couldn’t be responsible for making up for this this type of offensive failure.  If The Bat, Tejada, Huff etc… have anything left then they will hit their way out of this like all baseball players do.

The other option is to…….

2) Call up Belt and install him as the starting LF. This isn’t Burrell’s fault but he’s contributing to it and if he’s not going to even be hitting home runs then there’s zero reason to have him out there. Belt is crushing the ball in Fresno and is playing the outfield exclusively. It’s a bit of a risk because if he comes back up and hits .150 again, not only does that not help our impotent O but the kid is going to start dragging around a pretty big question mark on his back.

But Belt is the only new face that can impact this LU. There are some stop gap guys to throw in there for a day or so (Ford, Burriss, etc) but that’s going to fix nothing. Having Belt play LF, Torres back in CF and Burrell and Rowand to the bench would be the best way to infuse some  necessary newness to this rather stale 1-8 that we have been tolerating this year……

Or just leave it all the same and hope for the best……

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(Blade hunts Pawlie from 2nd place, GH takes another punch to the gut and Orbo says “F-this” and puts up a green number. Well done my man!)

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  1. Giant Head said, on May 2, 2011 at 6:52 am

    Pretty pathetic weekend series to be stuck watching this anemic series. Will send a pic tomorrow after my round of golf…without the Panda for 6 weeks, we will be lucky to stay at .500….

  2. Flavor said, on May 2, 2011 at 6:59 am

    a round of golf to kick off the work week? Livin’ well, my man…..
    I’ll close the POTW vote later today. If you read Edd’s entry using a British accent it’s a hands down winner, at least for my money. Edd’s is the #4 option though I didn’t include an actual number *4* in the widget to the right…….

  3. James said, on May 2, 2011 at 7:07 am

    Burrell has the highest OBP and SP of any of the starters now that Pablo is down. His swing looks fine, and he’s taking good ABs. Not sure why he should be the automatic choice to go to the bench, if Belt were to be called up today.

  4. Big Flavor said, on May 2, 2011 at 7:59 am

    well they aren’t going to sit Ross, at least not yet. Burrells spot is the only viable move

  5. James said, on May 2, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Huff and Burrell are the same age, and they put up very similar numbers for SF last year. Both had equally crappy 2009s. “Only viable” is a little too strong.

  6. willied said, on May 2, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Haven’t seen much of this series, but wasn’t a good weekend for a couple other NL west teams either…Ubaldo got lit up again and the Rox lost 2 of 3 at home to Pirates. Pads took 2 of 3 from LA too despite Ethier and his streak. Kuo was ineffective first time back off the DL, getting just one guy out and giving up 2 hits a walk and an HBP.
    Mets, btw, went 14 last night. And they don’t have Barajas any more. Getaway W today would provide some mo and road trip could still be a winner.

  7. Flavor said, on May 2, 2011 at 8:35 am

    Well, as usual, money will play into this. I don’t think they would sit Huff this early in the season as he has just started his 22 million dollar deal.

  8. willied said, on May 2, 2011 at 8:39 am

    I know this is out of place, but anyone surprised bin laden was killed and snuffed out in Pakistan, by us and not the Pakis? Chron reports we have spent $20 billion on the Paki military since 9/11..for fucking what?
    Btw these guys and Karzai, it’s hard to watch us throw so much fucking money away to these clowns and thieves, when infrastructure and quality of life here at home is in such dire straits.

    • stixwiz said, on May 2, 2011 at 8:51 am

      Willie: Smoke and Mirrors. It’s all about supporting the major investors who own the WarDefense industry. These people need a fourth yacht and a fifth vacation home. How can we mere peons deny them?

  9. ewisco said, on May 2, 2011 at 8:50 am

    screw smart bombs etc., bring back carpet bombing and have done with it. and not just for the giants!

  10. Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Losing 3 of 4 to the Nats would suck. But, good God, the hitting is atrocious. The Giants could very well be pulling an 0-fer 6 on this roadie.

    At this point in time, Burrell’s at least making solid contact. Sit Ross. Put in Belt.

    Some unnerving shit going on out there. Timmy and Matt losing control of their fastballs being one of them. Sanchez pulling his pouting act was real bad form when he didn’t cover 1st on the grounder to Posey. That easily could have cost them the game, but it was LaRoche running. The play before, Sanchez didn’t back up home on the base hit. Righetti was right to drag him down the tunnel and have a little chat. Bochy looked like he was going to pop him in the chin on his way into the dugout.

    Timmy and Matt will find their way back. Sanchez is STILL playing head games with himself out there. It’s one thing to walk guys and pitch like shit, but to lose focus on the game unfolding around you is single-A shit.

    I think the pitchers are pressing a little because there is no offense. I mean, criminy,in the last 2 weeks, the starters have 2 wins.

    All that being said, they are .500 on this road trip. A win today would be good news all around. I think the bats are waking up a little bit. Yesterday was a case of guys like Huff just not getting balls to drop. He mashed one to deep RC that could have been a 2 run double. There’s at least SOME solid contact going on out there. Posey is hitting. So, sure, the bats wake up, they win big today (7-2), and take 2 of 3 from the Mets for an epic 6-4 road trip.

    Getting through Panda’s absence will be tough as hell, but they got no choice. Either that, or they start trading relief pitchers to get some IF help.

  11. stixwiz said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Chuck: One of your better analyses overall. Without support the pitchers are starting to fray. Losing focus. Happens firstest and mostest with Sanchez. We all know the hitting will even out and hope it happens when facing low-end competition where Giants should be making hay. Like on the current road trip out East.

    Flav: Looking to Belt as the Savior may be a bit of a burden for the kid. About a year ago another poster and myself started noticing his progress at San Jose and soon began touting him. Pretty much everyone knows the identity of the other Belt booster. Most of us sense that Brandon is the real deal, but to expect him to come up and carry the team could mess with his psyche. Better to bring him up when SF starts hitting on something like five of eight cylinders when he can then provide the coup de grace.

  12. twinfan said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:15 am

    They’ve invested 22 million in Huff, 1 million in Burrell. You’re good with numbers, James: of the two, who would sit? Next..

  13. zumarust said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:19 am

    There’s no magical quick fix. Some guys are going to have to start performing like the back of their baseball cards. Fortunately, the Rockies are showing some cracks around the edges. The Giants need to keep scratching and clawing, and stay reasonably close until the Giants start to get things into gear.

    • DJLoo said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:44 am

      Can you throw in a cliche or two?

  14. willied said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:21 am

    I think Belt stays where he is until they are sure Torres is Ok. For right now, Rowand is really playing better than anyone else in the OF. I don’t see how you can sit the guy, even if Torres comes back on the homestand.

  15. snarkk said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:31 am

    They won’t hit this badly all year. Maybe this is the one team slump for the season, it just happened early and somewhat precipitated by end ST injuries. The disconcerting thing is that the team was thought to be somewhat finally immune to this depth of a slump with a lineup, on paper, the best in years. Still, they’re near .500 after playing badly, and the Rockies haven’t run away and hid yet. The outlook is still upbeat, the pitching depth hasn’t changed. But as for position players, Sabes will be earning his salary over the next 3 months before the trade deadline…

  16. stixwiz said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Rowand moves over to one of the cornerposts. Torres is the better centerfielder. So he doesn’t feel like he’s getting jacked around in spite of his recent production at the plate, maybe it would be a telling move to let Aaron bat third for awhile. He would see that as a major promotion, even if he had to move over in the OF. Huff can be dropped down to batting sixth or seventh, that is, if he doesn’t get to ride pine for a bit.

    If Rowand does happen to produce in the 3-hole it could, oddly enough, provide the booster shot this offense needs. Whatever the skill levels involved, baseball inevitably breaks down to psychological factors. After all the dissing he has taken, maybe Rowand would respond well to such a move.

  17. Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Rowand HAS to understand that he can’t pull anything and everything. His strength has always been hitting to the opposite field. If he doesn’t try to become a home run hitter if he moves down to the 3 hole, then he should continue his recent success.

  18. twinfan said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Astounding that I got shit for being honest about Rowand, and we have idiots who think he’s fucking changed. He’s the same guy.

  19. SanDawg said, on May 2, 2011 at 10:08 am

    I vote for sticking with the vets and banking on them to come out of this funk. Nothing lasts forever—-not even cold November rain.

  20. Flavor said, on May 2, 2011 at 10:17 am

    yes, fuck Rowand, he’s a stop gap guy at best. We are at the end of his contributions for a while, I think….

    • Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 10:56 am

      Stop gap guy at best. Right. As opposed to what? A rotting corpse out there? The thing is, Ross isn’t hitting his IQ, let alone his weight. Scheirholtz and Burrell are cold as dead fishes as well. Torres could come back on fire, or not. Belt? Same deal. Throw the offense on his back?

  21. SanDawg said, on May 2, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Jayson Werth is my favorite non Giant hands down. However, I must admit he disappointed me with the November Rain selection. I’m down with him teeing up a GnR song, but would have preferred something like Nighttrain or My Michelle. Maybe even a little Mr. Brownstone or Pretty Tied Up.
    True classics, all.
    Zumie…your thoughts? I’m guessing you don’t like those tunes any better than November Rain. You strike me as more of a Modest Mouse/Silversun Pickups kind of guy.

    • DJLoo said, on May 2, 2011 at 11:38 am

      “One In A Million” might get him a little PR…

    • James said, on May 2, 2011 at 12:33 pm

      GnR’s only true classic is the one the Skyliners covered.

  22. xootsuit said, on May 2, 2011 at 10:38 am

    What is this, tag Zumie day? My guess is Zumie would be just fine with the machine-gun-like solo section of Keep on Rockin (in the Free World) (electric version) as a walkup song. The only Giants I can imagine using it, however, are Wilson and Lincecum, which would sort of defeat the point.

  23. SanDawg said, on May 2, 2011 at 10:49 am

    That would be hilarious if Wilson somehow ended up batting and he had a walkup song. I wouldn’t put it past him.

  24. dirtnrocksnreno said, on May 2, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Even being shorthanded, players dropping like flies, the pitching staff struggling and the offense seriously sucking the Giants are 1 win from .500 and 3 back in the west. I’m cool with that. For now.

    I know our President is busy dealing with the state of Hawaii records office, tornado recovery efforts and killing terrorist masterminds but come on man where’s the love when the world champs roll into town?

    My 2012 vote teetering.

    • TedSpe said, on May 2, 2011 at 10:57 am

      I think I read the Giants *did* meet with him at the White House

  25. Big Flavor said, on May 2, 2011 at 11:05 am

    No, he was not at the white house this week. There are plans for him to meet the team sometime in july

    • TedSpe said, on May 2, 2011 at 12:11 pm

      Oh. Okay. Maybe that’s what I read. Thanks

    • snarkk said, on May 2, 2011 at 1:31 pm

      Yeah, the Giants were scheduled to meet Obama. But, when they hit the Oval Office and Flemm immediately asked Obama why his computer was on GoogleEarth’s 3D view of Abbotobad, they cancelled the meeting and shooed everybody out….

      • mrmrbill said, on May 2, 2011 at 2:42 pm

        next stop: Costellobad!

      • James said, on May 2, 2011 at 3:07 pm

        I see a New Yorker cover in the making.

  26. eddacker said, on May 2, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    13 – 14 and we have had dry humps for bats. Not exactly a huge hole we have dug for ourselves. the offensive play is a cold shower for even a die-hard polly like me; not one player has gone off the rails for production! (sorry Aaron and panda)
    However that 10 run game the team sure did.
    I would agree that after last season the pitchers have had enough of trying to win every game by themselves.
    for those not in the bay area the giants game is free on MLB-TV today.

  27. zumarust said, on May 2, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    SD, I like some of that early G n R. The band went down the toilet when Izzy left the band. He was the most crucial songwriter. “November Rain” is not without its good intentions. It was Axel’s tribute to the music of Elton John, who was a big influence on Axel going into music, from what Axel has said. It’s just the song turned into an overblown pretentious mess, IMO.
    Xoot, that part of Rockin’ In the Free World would be excellent walk-up music. Definitely!

  28. Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    “Overblown pretentious mess” . . . see Patience. Bleeeeeeech . . .

    November Rain is no Funeral for a Friend no matter how hard Axl tried . . .

    • zumarust said, on May 2, 2011 at 3:36 pm

      That’s the thing- Axel himself turned into an overblown pretentious mess. And rather quickly. Success came quick and huge to that band. Band’s are better off gradually building up in success.

      • Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 3:58 pm

        Some bands just blow their wad with their 1st record. See Boston.

        Shit, schools of thought say that Hendrix, the Doors, Van Halen, Santana, and Nirvana, among plenty of others, never again reached the creative heights of their debut albums. It doesn’t mean that their body of work was lousy, just that what they put together that 1st time seemed to transcend the abilities of their respective bands. Sure, there’s a ton of interpretation to this, but shit, the 1st Doors album? There’s nothing like it. Even they couldn’t live up to it. The 1st Hendrix album? Same deal. Although I like Electric Ladyland much better . . . Anyhow, just throwing this out there.

    • TedSpe said, on May 2, 2011 at 4:05 pm

      Though it’s not a rule (see The Beatles) it *is* very common. Especially, it seems, with pop-stars today who sucked right off the start. You see these assholes in the news all the time like they’re still relevant but it seems most haven’t had an actual success or a hit in 3 to 5 years (Amy Winehouse, Jessica Simpson, Rihanna, Chris Brown, etc. etc.)

      • Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 4:53 pm

        Yeah, bands like the Stones, the Who, Soudgarden, and AD/DC paid ther fair share of dues to get where they finally got to.

        Don’t forget Bobby Brown . . .

  29. Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    Aubrey Huff’s AB song should be “Why do I keep fucking up?” by Mr. Young . . .

  30. mrmrbill said, on May 2, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Hope Bummy can get that first ‘W’ under his belt tonight. He’s gotta be feeling an albatross around his neck these days.

    • Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 3:58 pm

      No shit. He’s Matt Cain Jr. in the bad luck department.

  31. mrmrbill said, on May 2, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    from the preview: “Bumgarner (0-4, 6.17 ERA) has felt the brunt of the weak Giants offense, getting a single run of support in his four losses combined.”

  32. SanDawg said, on May 2, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    The 6.17 era isn’t helping him out much either. Cain really got screwed cuz he pitched well in a lot of those games where he got no support.

  33. Big Flavor said, on May 2, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    So fucking sick of first inn bunting

  34. Del Mar Dennis said, on May 2, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    Piss-poor AB from Buster. Way to squandered the leadoff double from Rowand.

  35. Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Flav, I heard that in the car. My son said “bunting in the 1st?” I could hear Dennis’ scream from 150 miles away . . .

  36. SanDawg said, on May 2, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Did Burriss get a start during this series? Somebody else mentioned that he’d get a start in his hometown and I was sure that would be the case as well.
    Hell, it’s not like the line-up is hitting on all cylinders and they couldn’t make room to throw him a bone.

  37. Big Flavor said, on May 2, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    It’s idiotic to bunt in the first inning and give away an out. If franchez doesn’t think he can get a hit against this still then fucking retire already.

  38. Del Mar Dennis said, on May 2, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Schulman an Co. up in the press box wondered if Bochy gave the sac sign or if Franchez did it on his own. Conclusion was it wouldn’t be given under normal circumstances, but these aren’t “normal times” given the offensive woes. I guess they really wanted to get that first one on the the board. We’ll see what he has to say on the postgame…

  39. Big Flavor said, on May 2, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    I’m gonna guess that was all fruckie.

  40. mrmrbill said, on May 2, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    Can’t complain about Bum’s pitching.

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on May 2, 2011 at 5:37 pm

      I’ll assume Tejada’s fielding is fair game, however.

  41. SanDawg said, on May 2, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Flemming has made the point about 6 times that it was ridiculous that Tejada wasn’t charged with an error on that play.

  42. Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there’s your ballgame.

  43. Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    These should all be unearned runs . . .

  44. Del Mar Dennis said, on May 2, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    That was one helluva PHing performance from our last POTG. When NO Whitey is first off your bench in hopes of tying up the game w/ a homer in the 8th inning you deserve to lose.

  45. Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Gorze-fucking-lanny is 4-0 vs the Giants?

    32-39 vs everyone else . . .

  46. TedSpe said, on May 2, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    ooookay. Here we go

  47. Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……………………………………….

  48. Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    I really thought they’d wake up for this game. Might as well put in Burriss, Schierholtz, and Whitehead.

    Shake these fucking zombies up.

  49. Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Shut out 2x by the Nats? 1-3? Way to make your bones against the bottom-feeders of the east.

    They were lucky to get the one win . . .

    What a fucking blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah pile of shit.

  50. Del Mar Dennis said, on May 2, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    I don’t know what else to say, but hang with ’em and hope it turns around in NY.
    But I dunno, the entire middle of the order is in a collective funk. And as for our bench? NO Whitey, Shitholtz, Ford, Burriss and Rohlinger = Yuckadoo.

    • TedSpe said, on May 2, 2011 at 6:41 pm

      Well like Bochy said, slumps are contagious. Someone needs a vaccine.
      I think I’m getting nolstagic for the steroid years…well, not really

  51. James said, on May 2, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    They lost, but getting inside the mind of Giants closer Brian Wilson is gonna be so cool.

  52. Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    Yeah. Yippee. Pay no attention to the team on the field. Let’s take a tour through B0Weezy’s beard, or cut to The Franchise and see what kooky things are going on in teh clubhouse.

  53. snarkk said, on May 2, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    I’ve been peddling patience with Tejada, but tell me why I should give him much more. Nobody else available is the only excuse right now. But, if you ain’t hittin’, you better be fieldin’. If you ain’t fieldin’, you better be hittin’. If you ain’t doin’ either, then you ain’t playin’….

  54. SanDawg said, on May 2, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Roward’s double leading off the game was the only time we got a runner to second base? Did I hear that correctly? Ouch.

  55. snarkk said, on May 2, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Bum did not deserve earnies tonight, let alone a loss.
    I was listening to radio. Where is Miller again?…

    • snarkk said, on May 2, 2011 at 6:50 pm

      I heard on the post-game the scorer changed Tejada’s play to an error. No earnies for Bum, but a not-deserved loss….

      • twinfan said, on May 2, 2011 at 8:07 pm

        No run had to score after the error- Bum lost his composure again.

  56. SanDawg said, on May 2, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    He’s in Half Moon Bay starting at the sea. I read something about this the other day that his contract allows him to take off a road trip or two.
    He picked a good one to miss!

    • snarkk said, on May 2, 2011 at 6:38 pm

      OK, thanks for the info.
      Ah, just heard he’s joining up in NYC. Must be nice…

  57. macdog said, on May 2, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    Thank god I joined Flav’s fantasy league this year, the real kind is tough to stomach right now.

  58. Del Mar Dennis said, on May 2, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    Bochy: “We’re awful right now.” Also said Sanchez bunted on his own. And the Tejada play was rightfully changes to an error. Makes Bum’s runs unearned. Small consolation I’m sure.

  59. stixwiz said, on May 2, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Last season there was serious ownage of the Giants by the likes of Latos and Kershaw. This year it’s Gorzelanny and who was that stiff the other day? That’s my point, i guess. Not really a brainfart. Just can’t recall the guy’s name right off the top. Bumgarner did not deserve this. Shutout till the 7th, was it? Tejada contributed then, from how the posts seem to read. Giants are soon likely to make a serious search for a SS who can do SOMETHING right.

    A World Championship team should have taken three of four from the Nats. A half-decent team would have got a split. So it’s off to NYC ~ media central for the planet Earth. Great place to stretch the slump, eh? Between the injuries and the rotting timber this bunch right now makes the team of four and five years ago look pretty good. Yes, it will turn around, but right now i’m pretty satisfied that i didn’t get home from hauling wood and stopping by the neighborhood pub till the ‘festivities’ were already over.

    Thomas Paine said it: “These are the times that try men’s souls.” Wonder how long it will take for some of those Dodger trolls to start chirping again.
    Worse yet, imagine the scene around the Splash right about now. Probably more delighted Doomers than at a midnight Edgar Allen Poe memorial picnic.

    • zumarust said, on May 2, 2011 at 7:20 pm

      Thomas Paine died a bitter forgotten lonely poverty-stricken alcoholic. True story.

      • zumarust said, on May 2, 2011 at 7:23 pm

        Of course, if you’re talking about a Splasher being a bitter forgotten lonely poverty-stricken alcoholic, you have to get more specific.

      • Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 7:28 pm

        So did I.

        Oh, wait a minute . . .

  60. Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaalmost there . . .

  61. stixwiz said, on May 2, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    A large measure of Paine’s bitterness developed after he returned to the US from imprisonment under the Terror in Revolutionary France. He had been granted a house by a grateful US Congress, but discovered that because he had written “The Age of Reason” in which he essentially demolished the mythology of the Bible; he was persona non grata amongst many of his neighbors. This was in the early 1790’s and the religious terrorism ironically known as the “Great Awakening” had swept much of the country. The live and let live social attitudes of the Revolutionary period had been replaced by attitudes which are still common in places like Oklahoma and Alabama today. Many of the barely literate Americans of that era had read only one book and they tended to take it literally.

    Paine was harassed and hounded out of his home by the know-nothings of his age. Little wonder he died an embittered alcoholic. To this day most Europeans and other folks from civilized countries are amazed at the religious-based bellicosity of way too many Americans.

    • snarkk said, on May 2, 2011 at 7:40 pm

      I used to be amazed at it. No longer…

      • zumarust said, on May 2, 2011 at 7:48 pm

        I’m not saying you don’t have some valid points in there Stix, but it’s not all that simple. Great enlightenment leaders like Washington and Jefferson had slaves, and religious folks like Quakers were active in anti-slavery activity.

    • blade3colorado said, on May 2, 2011 at 8:08 pm

      Thomas Paine is a hero of mine. The irony is that he would be villified today, just as he was back then. One of my favorite quotes:

      “I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
      All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.”

      • James said, on May 2, 2011 at 8:39 pm

        “Turkish church” . . . a funny phrase.

      • blade3colorado said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:08 pm

        Actually James, the “Turkish Church” is more often referred to as The Seven Churches of the Apocalypse from The Revelation of St John the Divine and all lie in Aegean Turkey.

        At that time, ‘Church’ referred to the congregation rather than a particular building so don’t expect to find the buildings where those early Christians worshipped. It was a time when Christians were being persecuted so they had to keep a very low profile often just meeting in each others homes.

      • James said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:33 pm

        Hmmm, I would have thought he was referring to the Ottomans, not the early Christians.

  62. zumarust said, on May 2, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Btw- I think Pakistan ought to give the U.S. a $20 billion refund on the money we gave them to help us fight terrorism over the last ten years.

  63. stixwiz said, on May 2, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Zuma: There is religion and then there is RELIGION. Take Islam, for example. Wahabism, practiced in Saudi Arabia and exported via oil money to many other Moslem countries is as full of cracked pottery as American Dominionists and Christian Zionists. Wahabis in Pakistan have frequently been blowing up mosques and shrines belonging to Sufis. Sufism is the spiritual side of Islam, replete with poetry, dance and regard for fellow humans. Judaism and Hinduism too, have their by the book fanatics and droolers, while at the same time in those traditions there are great souls like Einstein and Gandhi.

    So my point of view on religion boils down to whether or not religious practices are based on love and compassion and other truly spiritual practices; or if a given religiosity is rife with judgementalism and a tendency to exclude the ‘other’. The etymological root of the word ‘religion’ comes from the Latin and is roughly translated as ‘to re-bind, or to re-connect’.
    A spiritually infused religious sensibility works toward the unity and oneness of all humanity and all life. By definition, then, religious practices which tend to exclude others are something other than true religion.

    • zumarust said, on May 2, 2011 at 8:13 pm

      Well said, Stix.

      • unca chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 10:09 pm

        Most religions are exclusionary by nature. The chosen few. Follow the path.

        If even 2 religions are right, all of us are going to hell.

        Organized religion, like all other profitable industries, breeds avarice, greed, and corruption.

  64. willied said, on May 2, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    A week or so ago, Twin said something to the affect that given regular PT rowand would produce normal career stats for him, .750 OPS 15/80 HRs/rbis. I didn’t think that was anywhere near possible, but I’m not so sure now.
    He’s hitting better than anyone else right now, with just as much pop, and can play any OF spot. I’ve dissed this guy as much as anyone, but he deserves the props for how he has rebounded from the hell of last year and beyond. there is no way you can sit the guy…gorz might have no hit the Giants without him.

    • twinfan said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:03 pm

      Those aren’t the numbers I cited. I think it was .265 15-65, the OPS might have been 750. But yeah, he has to play. Forgetting his offense right now, he’s a far better PLAYER than Burrell. If Belt doesn’t come up, it has to be Rowand/Torres/Ross for now. If he does get recalled, well… something has to give…

      • James said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:21 pm

        If Burrell comes close to last year’s production, which he still looks quite capable of, Rowand is not the better player. The previous season proved that. If Rowand plays instead of Burrell, no World Series. You earlier cited Burrell’s K ratio as evidence that he might be washed up. Fair enough. But he’s cut down on the Ks quite a bit recently, and has hit the ball well the last 3 games, despite having nothing to show for it.

  65. James said, on May 2, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    A 750 OPS this year will be a better number than it was even a year ago. I don’t think Rowand maintains this pace over a full season.

    • willied said, on May 2, 2011 at 8:40 pm

      He might not James, but I wouldn’t put it past him, and I hope nearly everyone else on the team doesn’t” maintain this pace.”

      • James said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:04 pm

        After 100 PAs last year, his OPS was 800. Not impossible, just unlikely. Eventually, they’ll start throwing him slop off the plate again, and he won’t adjust. After all, that’s not the way it works in the batting cages.

  66. Unca Chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Options being what they are, you rides him til he slows. At the expense of Burrell when Torres comes back.

  67. paulinasia said, on May 2, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    By the end of today’s game, the lineup is at .290, .264, .266, .226, .190, .211, .243, .189…. Wow. Hopefully it is indeed just a slump (team-wide though it might be). Perspective is always helpful; a couple of weeks ago, those numbers were much higher. We probably won’t see Pablo until July, but Torres’ return should provide a spark. The others are just going to have to step up.

  68. twinfan said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Didn’t Torres have two drag bunt hits the first week ? Made me look quite the fool. Things of beauty they were..UCSF for another Gamma treatment Thursday 7:00 A.M. Having more right side issues, broke a finger, almost tore the top off another- got them caught, don’t always know where the hand is. Isn’t there an adage about that? Don’t know if this will help or not.

    • blade3colorado said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:27 pm

      Not certain about the specific “adage or quote” you had in mind Mike, but Martin Luther said, “I have held many things in my hands, and I have lost them all; but whatever I have placed in God’s hands, that I still possess.”

      I hope your treatment on Thursday is successful and gives you some relief from the pain you’ve been having.

    • xootsuit said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:46 pm

      Take care. The smart and soulful part of your brain is obviously still kicking just fine.

    • EdGdsnInExile said, on May 2, 2011 at 10:25 pm

      Wishing you well, Twin.

  69. twinfan said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    After today Belt Is at .517, When Torres returns, so should Brandon.

    • paulinasia said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:37 pm

      Agreed, those two are needed. Good luck, Michael, hope it all helps; I don’t know how you do it…

  70. twinfan said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    What would be worse- being 15-18 or having Flavor right about it? The horror, the horror 😉
    Night all…

  71. unca chuck said, on May 2, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    Good luck and Godspeed, Mike.

  72. EdGdsnInExile said, on May 2, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    A late post from DC. Certainly not much good news to report. But it was a beautiful 70 degree night, with a nice wind blowing off the river. Nats Park, not particularly interesting in many ways, does have several sectional openings on the different levels that create a more open atmosphere. Anyway, agree with all of your posts about the hitting, and agree with Twin, MadBum lost focus and got the ball up for those two hitters. Like all of you, I’ve seen enough of Tejada–though I’d already seen enough of him when his acquisition was announced last year. One thing I will say is that the Nats are not the hapless bunch they were last year, when they kicked around the ball a lot. Actually saw one of their 4-A guys, Bernadina, get picked off 2nd by Mets Feliciano to end a game last July. I don’t say this to make our loss better, just that I think Nats will play close to .500 ball this year. One area they’ve improved is their bench: Hairston and Cora are solid vets who put the bat on the ball and do a lot of small things to help you win. I guess Bochy chose Eli over Burriss and Rohlinger because he’d had his big hit the other day, but I don’t think he’s got much of a pinch-hitter approach. Final note: didn’t get to the games Sat-Sun, but did run into Manny Burriss’ dad and one of Manny’s high school coaches tonight. His dad and mom are just really nice people; can only assume he is too. It’s a sign of how desperate is our hitting that Manny didn’t play for Sanchez or Fontenot.

  73. willied said, on May 2, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    “The previous season proved that.” Last year, it certainly did, but that is all it proved, that Burrell was much more dangerous at the plate. Who could have predicted what would happen in 2010 with Huff, FSanchez, Torres, or panda for that matter? All those guys had years vastly different than the year previous.
    there isn’t anyone who knows what Rowand or anyone else is going to do this season.


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