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Figuring Out How to Score A Run….

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on May 30, 2011

Because of how bad they’ve been lately, it’s hard to see it but yesterday was just “one of those games.” The Brewers got a lot of those bleeder bloopy bulls-hit(s) and the Giants hit the ball hard many times getting nothing for it. That’s just baseball, some games you get the breaks some games you don’t….

But there is a larger issue that needs to get dealt with and there aren’t too many options to solve the problem. Last year the Giants had MANY players to turn to for offensive help. Any number of the following guys provided huge hits to help win games (in order of studly-ness): Uribe, Huff, Burrell, Torres, Posey and Ross and Renteria in the playoffs)…..

This year there is maybe one guy on that list still producing and that’s Torres. And he’s pretty far off last year’s numbers but I at least have some faith in him that he’ll get back to them. The other guys? Huff is proving he might really be a one year on/one year off guy. Posey is done for the year. Uribe and Renteria are gone. Burrell is completely done. And Ross, as I wrote about last Winter, isn’t going to give you what he gave you during the playoff run–he’s a streaky guy who got hot at the perfect time. But that’s who he is and it’s probably why Florida released him and no one put in a bid on him except us. Think about it…..Then you’ve got the “Anti-List” guys like Tejada and Rowand and Whiteside who didn’t help us win games consistently (or at all) last year but who clog up this year’s LU with 0-4’s and double plays……

So with The 2010 Stud List pretty much crossed off, who will step up and do it this year? Obviously, getting the Panda back will be huge. He didn’t make last year’s *list* but he was #1 on the 2011 List before he went down. How he will do when he comes back is anybody’s guess since he’s going to be coming back with a ton of expectations and we all know what his swing looks like when he’s pressing.  There’s also the slim possibility that Belt will step up and be the guy. That’s a bit of a long shot with all the pressure that will be on the young man to be one of THE GUY’S but I could see it happen…….

After that there really isn’t a guy on the squad that I could see stepping up  consistently the way the guy’s from last year’s list did (except Torres)….

So that leaves Sabean with the task of signing someone who’s been DFA’d or a trade. Again, hitting on guys like Ross and Burrell is like nailing 35 black back to back. But it could happen. The Angels just signed Russell Branyan after the D-backs discarded him. He was having an awful year but he was *ok* last year. The Rockies just DFA’d Lopez and Amezaga. I wouldn’t want either of them but that’s an idea of what’s out there for free…..

Trades. Probably a fresh round of “Reyes to SF” talk will get going again. I don’t see it and I also don’t like it. Bad fit. For starters he’s producing at his peak right now, he’s headed for a downturn at some point. He’s also an ass.  He’s also not a guy who drives in runs which is what we need.

To be honest, I’m not really following who else is available. It’s too early for most teams to give up and start shedding payroll. But make no mistake, despite having an ok record and playing in a totally winnable division, we are in a desperate situation right now. Bochy is stuck with a bunch of pieces that don’t add up to much……

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  1. blade3colorado said, on May 30, 2011 at 6:54 am

    Reyes is not the answer. He is a table setter and as you pointed out Flav, who is going to drive him in? Uhh huh, I thought so. Besides, this guy lacks something that is so important on our team, right up there with the pitching, defense and timely hitting which gave us the World Series last year. Of course I am talking about CHEMISTRY. Personally, I don’t want to go back to the Bonds years where the rest of the team is walking on egg shells. Oh, you say, “what about our 2002 World Series appearance with Bonds? I say ANOMALY.

    Chemistry is a big part of what got us to the dance last year. Wilson’s beard and his “dittohead” Romo, Tim’s long hair and hippy ways, Huff’s rally thong, music again being played in the clubhouse, etc., etc. Reyes can’t even spell the word. He is a “Me” guy and will always be that way. Disturb our chemistry and we might as well pack it in.

    Remember, we’re in 1st place (ok, ok, percentage points behind AZ) even though we are misfiring on a couple of cylinders, e.g., hitting, driving in runs, occasional defensive lapses. Do we really want to mess with our chemistry and bring in a head case like Reyes?

    • Rough Trade said, on May 30, 2011 at 7:31 am

      Purely hypothetically, as it’s not going to happen, but short term chemistry would be fine, as Reyes is playing all out for that big contract. The FA market in general is weak, but SS is downright depressing.

  2. Rough Trade said, on May 30, 2011 at 7:39 am

    Been out of the country for a couple of weeks and only seen parts of games thanks to a friends Ipad. But statistically, they now rank below the A’s in avg and runs scored. They may need Reyes AND a run producer. It was bad with Buster in the lineup. Expecting Pablo to be the answer is hanging a lot on a guy with a mending hand, that could trouble him the rest of the yr.

  3. eddacker said, on May 30, 2011 at 7:49 am

    I am mostly surprised at Huff and Ross. Between the two of them couldn’t they find some of last years mojo? While there were better options out there Tejada _seemed_ a decent trade until the reality of this years play. I never counted on Derosa, Burrell, rowand, but I am enthused to see Nate working it. If the rest of the offense was going he would be a lock in right giving his improved (for him) hitting.
    So, yeah, getting to the playoffs looks easy enough, but there will be some ‘together we are Giant’ magic needed.
    Panda comes back, Belt figures it out, Huff or Ross start being hot, Torres stays Torres. I’m just saying…

  4. James said, on May 30, 2011 at 8:03 am

    “This year there is maybe one guy on that list still producing and that’s Torres”

    Just like last year’s total season numbers, as of today Torres’s stats are pretty much identical to Burrell’s. Andres is even whiffing in slightly more than 25% of his PAs. Presumably, if Pat produced the equivalent of a 469 SP this year he’d drive in his fair share of runs.

    “And he’s pretty far off last year’s numbers but I at least have some faith in him that he’ll get back to them.”

    I agree, but what is it about Andres that gives you that bit of faith? The fact he’s only 33? He has 46 fewer PAs than Burrell?

    BTW, here is the BP projection for Andres:

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=TORRES19780126A

    Other projections are more generous, as they are for Burrell, too.

  5. willied said, on May 30, 2011 at 8:05 am

    some of us have to work today…road trips to the midwest I miss most of the action. When I was a kid we always had the game on the radio during dinner…now, no radio/internet/cell phone, no clue.
    Oh, and Dennis if Bochy calls for your LU, put him on hold OK? The kids didn’t show anything yesterday, Burriss makes another error, Nate 0-4 with a GIDP. And the “pressure” on Belt is to hit well enough that he can move someone out of a position and play regularly. Otherwise he gets to enjoy summer in fresno and high desert.

  6. mrmrbill said, on May 30, 2011 at 8:32 am

    In the “Cheer up, it’s not so bad” department, going into today’s game: errr… we’ve lost 3 in a row only twice this season; clearly today is our day?(!)?

  7. blade3colorado said, on May 30, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Exactly mrmrbill . . . Umm, let’s see here – I count approximately 27-28 other teams that would love to be in our current position.*

    *Waiting patiently for the anti-take on “. . . current position.”

  8. iant Head said, on May 30, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Flav, your point about Reyes not helping this team is well stated, but the reason you go after Reyes, so be it if it is as a free agent, is that what he brings to the table, speed and defensive ability and offensive production in not something we are well stocked in.

    Torres is not likely to be a dangerous leadoff threat in two years. Crawford hitting a grand slam is awesome, but he did not move up through the minor leagues because of his bat. Reyes can arguably be the most dangerous leadoff hitter in the NL for the next 4-5 years and playing in ATT could be ideally suited to his offensive ability.

    Having Crawford may be a nice chip to add to a deal for Reyes. Crawford, Runzler and Ford for Reyes is a winner for me…

    • Rough Trade said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:24 am

      Maybe a winner for you but Sandy just said call me when you’re serious.

  9. Macdog said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:09 am

    It was just over a year ago that the Giants were swept by the A’s after scoring a grand total of one run, so we’ve been down this road before. Not long after Buster came up to inject some life into the offense, and hopefully Pablo can be that guy this year. Burrell also came a couple weeks later. They could go that route again, but as Flav suggested they were awfully lucky with their “hit” on The Bat.

    As for the trade route, I’ve got mixed feelings on Reyes. The guy’s an incredible talent, but he’s also a knucklehead. One of the many things about Reyes that bugs me is that if he gets on first late in a tight game, he rarely uses that great speed to try and steal a base. That said, I’m with GH, bring in Reyes and they have an All-Star SS the rest of the year (barring injury).

    I’m also with Blade and still like our position, though these next 4 in St. Lou will be tough. Must be last week’s Time cover story on optimism rubbing off on me. Recommended reading for Dennis: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2074067,00.html

  10. twinfan said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:18 am

    I corrected you on Burrell yesterday, James.You should go back and read it. It hardly matters, though. He’s unlikely to be here long. Let’s look at their WARP ( Wins Over Replacement Player). Andres, once again is the team MVP at 2.1 thus far ,Pat is 0.6
    Last year:
    MVP Torres 5.3
    Burrell 2.7
    The numbers are from BP.
    I’ll discuss some of the others as the day goes on. But here’s a clue. What the LU should be when Pablo returns:

    Torres CF
    Fruckie 2B
    Panda 3B
    Huff 1B
    Ross RF
    Belt LF
    New Catcher
    Crawford SS

    • James said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:28 am

      The argument I am making is a little narrower, so I’m not sure you’ve “corrected” me. Pat Burrell is not having a terrible year so far, unlike Tejada and Huff.

      You asked me the other day about defensive stats. I replied that they are less certain indicators of performance than a stat like OPS. What was unstated, of course, is that there is also a fair bit ambivalence about what WAR tells us, since it relies on those defensive stats.

      • twinfan said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:46 am

        If you want to ignore other values that show overall performance, that’s your deal, go for it.

      • James said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:55 am

        Again, the response was purely about the offensive stats. When BF and others declare Burrell “done,” the criticism has largely been couched in terms of his offense. His numbers so far do not prove that he is “done” as a hitter, and among the old guys his stats show a greater likelihood that he would reach something like last year’s performance.

    • Flavor said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:49 am

      agreed.

  11. twinfan said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Torres was doubted by every site last year, as well. For the same reason Craig doubted him. His breakout WAS unusual. There are still some nimrods here who under value him.

    • Nipper said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:30 pm

      Grand Slam, baby!

  12. James said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:39 am

    “MVP Torres 5.3
    Burrell 2.7”

    Let me put it another way: I do not believe Darren Ford is worth 2.6 WAR.

  13. twinfan said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:50 am

    You used BP to dismiss Torres, these are their figures. You wanna try FanGraphs? It won’t go well for you there or anywhere else.

    • James said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:57 am

      I have not dismissed Torres.

  14. Rough Trade said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Zach Wheeler turns 21 today. Struck out 12 last night, but he’s been a little inconsistent. I wonder how the G’s view his development and his value at this point. Is he another Cain or another Ainsworth?

    Either way, gotta think the Mets have him on their list in any talks for Reyes.

    • Rough Trade said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:52 am

      Excuse me. “Zack”.

  15. Flavor said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:51 am

    come on, how do you quantify Ford? Shit, he could win 10 games all by himself this year and appear in only 30. Ford’s value is not something measurable if you ask me….

    • James said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:59 am

      The point was, if Ford played CF all year, his defense would not yield 2.6 wins above a replacement. Good defensive CFers are not uncommon.

      • twinfan said, on May 30, 2011 at 10:09 am

        The point is, James discounts anything that doesn’t make Pat Fucking Burrell a HOFer

      • James said, on May 30, 2011 at 10:16 am

        Pat Burrell has been a good ballplayer who may still have some utility on a team that’s struggling to score runs, if given a chance to play regularly. His presence on the team is pretty unlikely to make or break them this year. The level of general criticism he’s received so far is, well, nimrodic.

      • twinfan said, on May 30, 2011 at 10:28 am

        BP projects .232 14 HR 41 RBI in 362 PA. Slugging Percentage down over 100 points from last year. For a slow runner inthe middle of the order, THAT is the significant stat.

      • James said, on May 30, 2011 at 11:30 am

        BP’s projection is, as I pointed out, the least favorable to Burrell and Torres alike. The SP projection is down 50 points from his season total last year, which I’ve been using as a more realistic benchmark than his SF stats alone. Coupled with the general downturn in league offense, which BP may have factored in, the number is not as bad as it looks, even with their doomer perspective on The Bat. Burrell’s career runs scored totals have been ok for his OBP and typical position in the batting order. I’m guessing he’s at least as “smart” a base runner as Bengie was.

      • twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 11:47 am

        “which I’ve been using as a more realistic benchmark than his SF stats alone. ”
        That’s an indefensible position. And you don’t understand at all the value of OBP-you have essentially asserted that the value of Burrell’s OBP is the same as that of Torres. Molina is a red herring…

      • James said, on May 30, 2011 at 12:10 pm

        Indefensible in which way? I’m just acknowledging that the poorer overall numbers (817 OPS) he put up for the entire season are a better reflection of what he might still be capable of over 500 PAs this year. That 794 OPS Bill James projected Burrell at would make him a net positive in our line up this year, despite his lack of speed. I have not equated Torres value on the bases with Burrell’s. Yes, the Bengie reference was a red herring, sorta.

      • twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 12:39 pm

        Well, I think we’ve both established our positions. There are experts who can effectively argue either position, mine being that the value of OBP is less for a slow running middle of the order hitter than for that of a speedy lead off man.

  16. Del Mar Dennis said, on May 30, 2011 at 10:10 am

    And you guys wonder why I’m a pessimist. Look at this shit:

    Torres cf
    Tejada 3b
    Sanchez 2b
    Huff 1b
    Ross rf
    Rowand lf
    Crawford ss
    Whiteside c
    Bumgarner p

    • Nipper said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:32 pm

      Get drunk Dennis. Being serious is a waste of your talents.

  17. Del Mar Dennis said, on May 30, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Seriously, Rowand > Belt vs a right-hander? Some would call that another “unusual” move by Bochy.
    And, yes, I know Tejada has great numbers vs McClellan. But given his current state of affairs, it don’t mean dick now.

    • twinfan said, on May 30, 2011 at 10:18 am

      He tried your LU yesterday, Doomin’ Denny.

    • Rough Trade said, on May 30, 2011 at 12:24 pm

      I don’t understand Rowand over Belt unless they are not wild about Brandon’s OF abilities at this point.

      • mrmrbill said, on May 30, 2011 at 12:28 pm

        Schulman asked Boch’ about it. The grammar is a little awkward but I think it deciphers to, he knows its a lower odds situation but he wants to get Rowand some potentially slump-breaking ABs. Schulman: “Bochy said McClellan splits actually tougher v LHPs in citing Rowand over Belt. Wants to get Row going.”

  18. Del Mar Dennis said, on May 30, 2011 at 10:29 am

    We arrive in St. Louis just in time for Holliday’s return. And what the hell is Flav doing batting 2nd for the Cards?

    Theriot SS, Craig 2B, Pujols 1B, Holliday LF, Berkman RF, Rasmus CF, Molina C, Descalso 3B, McClellan P

  19. twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Matheny talks about the Cousins/Posey play on the Splash, BTW.

  20. EdGdsnInExile said, on May 30, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    We are all so focused on our team we forget that others are having the same difficulties. Take Atlanta, like us, doing well despite its problems, at 30-24 going into today, based on their pitching. They’ve been most of the season without Chipper and their ROY-candidate Heyward, and 9-million-dollar man Dan Uggla, whom many of us were eyeing last year, has a .178/.246/.322 line. You read that right. His May has been even worse. And yet he’s played every game. So we will have to grit on teeth, and be thankful there are 162 games. And despite all this, do NOT rush Panda before his time.

    • EdGdsnInExile said, on May 30, 2011 at 1:08 pm

      ‘our’…

  21. Flavor said, on May 30, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    interesting. I’ve heard a couple of other guys talking about the difference between was it legal/was it necessary. I said at the time, Cousins HAD to know the ball was going to get there before he did. That hit was to shallow right field to probably the best arm in LF. Maybe he was hoping for an errant throw but come on, it was NATE. I think he had every intention (when he took off) of slamming into Posey as hard as he could. Was it necessary? Well, he would have been out if he hadn’t done that so it was necessary for him to do it if he was still trying to score the run. I think I’d even be cool with a rule change that allowed the runner to try to knock the ball out of the catchers glove as long as he was going for the glove and not the face/neck/shoulders (which is what Cousins clearly tried to do)……

  22. Macdog said, on May 30, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Cody! A HR!

  23. Del Mar Dennis said, on May 30, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    I think Cody got all of that one. Nice way to end an 0 fer skid.

  24. twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    The Ross bashing is pretty silly. He has a little more in his resume than the 2010 postseason. Last year was actually a down year, he appears to be a legit 20-80 .775 ( you can figger out getting to Baseball Reference on your own.)

  25. Del Mar Dennis said, on May 30, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Bum’s getting strike 1 on every hitter. I love that kid’s moxie. He’s not afraid of the big bad Cardinals lineup.
    And he can hit a little, too…

  26. Del Mar Dennis said, on May 30, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    Bunting w/ Gomez with NO Whitey outs in the 2nd inning vs the Cardinals?
    Not Bochy’s brightest move. If Gomez did that on his own, he can hang with Fruckie.

    • Macdog said, on May 30, 2011 at 1:49 pm

      At least they got the run.

      • Del Mar Dennis said, on May 30, 2011 at 1:51 pm

        Nice job by Tejada after getting the quick 0-2. I’m sure I’m not the only one who thought it was gonna be 0-3.

  27. James said, on May 30, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    It seems pretty unusual to have the primary camera in 180 degree alignment with home plate.

    • eddacker said, on May 30, 2011 at 1:56 pm

      everyone’s a director, well spotted sir james

  28. twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    They’re scoring like zero fucking runs and you’re bitching about that? You really do just live to bitch.

    • twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 1:56 pm

      That was for Doomin’ Denny.

      • Del Mar Dennis said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:01 pm

        Bunting in that situation was WRONG. It wasn’t a bitch, it was an insightful and correct observation on my part.

        Jesus Holy Christ. That’s a foul ball. We got screwed.

      • Del Mar Dennis said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:03 pm

        Make that royally screwed now. Shit.

    • Nipper said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:34 pm

      bitch, bitch, bitch!

  29. Macdog said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Miggy’s right, that was foul.

  30. Macdog said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    Cards ‘cast just showed an ISO of Holliday on that groundout, man, he can barely run.

  31. twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    And, unfortunately, MadBum lost his cool again after the missed call.

    • Macdog said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:15 pm

      The RBI single by Pujols? Hell, I’m just glad MadBum kept him in the park.

      • twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:21 pm

        Yeah,that was a better outcome than expected.

  32. eddacker said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    A day game in SL after 4 in Mil I’m thing the bio-rhythms, body clock, jet lag is all comfused for every visiting team player out there. luckily it’s a ball field. they should recognize that.

  33. twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    He calls a good game, though.

  34. Del Mar Dennis said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    GOMEZ!!!

  35. Macdog said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Grand Andres!

  36. stixwiz said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    And it all started with a lil ol walk to Cody. When Bumgarner drew a walk, the table was not only set, but groaning. Torres has just gotten warmed up. The Doom and Gloom are lifting already with guys like Crawford and Rowand coming through. Even Tejada. From here on in Bumgarner is the first Giants starter in ages who does not have to pitch ultra fine in a close contest.

    It ain’t over yet, as Yogi would remind us, but whodda expected a laugher after that most recent whupping in Sudsville.

  37. twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    Well, he’d better fucking buck up here.

  38. twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    There actually has been talk of Andres batting in the middle of the order. He probably would hit 25 or so there-but he’d probably K close to 200 times. He’s probably an ideal 6, if they had a Reyes…

  39. blade3colorado said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Actually Ed, it probably has more to do with circadian cycles/rhythms which are physical, mental and behavioral changes that follow a roughly 24-hour cycle, responding primarily to light and darkness in an organism’s environment. They are found in most living things, including animals, plants and many tiny microbes. The study of circadian rhythms is called chronobiology. Dealt with it quite a bit when I was an OSH director, e.g., air traffic controllers, firefighters, employees that travel a lot, shift workers, etc.

  40. PawlieKokonuts said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    Maybe Crawford can make the jump successfully. Who’s to say? Pablo went from Double A — but to jump from Single A? I’m a-hoping.

    • twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 3:10 pm

      He’s played two seasons in AA- he was only in A for injury rehab.

  41. Del Mar Dennis said, on May 30, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Rowand got hurt on that pickoff attempt? Just heard the report from Jon Miller: rt. hip contusion.

  42. stixwiz said, on May 30, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    With his 1-6 record betraying a monumental lack of run support early-season; bucked-up Bumgarner, of all the Giants starters, most deserves to have five fat runs stuffing his belly ~ one of the most comfortable lead-margins a Giants starter has had this year.

    • twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 3:12 pm

      He’s contributed to his own demise with the big innings he surrendered. He seems to be getting past that.

      • twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 3:14 pm

        On performance the 5 goes like this:
        Lincecum
        Vogelsong
        Sanchez
        Cain
        MadBum

  43. zumarust said, on May 30, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Yadier Molina gets the award for “catcher fake hustle.” All those stupid throws to try to pick off the runner going back to the base. Maybe it impresses the people who vote on the award. I think a catcher should do it once in a great while, but he’s ridiculous about it.

  44. Del Mar Dennis said, on May 30, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Who is this Jabroni coming outta the pen for the Cards? He just looks like a career useless pole smoker.

  45. zumarust said, on May 30, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    K&K praised all the white and red shirts in the crowd, or what I call “Midwestern conformist fascist fan attire,” like seen at Nebraska Cornhusker football games. No one gets off on conformity like Midwesterners. They celebrate it like a dog getting a doggie treat.

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on May 30, 2011 at 3:28 pm

      That take that shit seriously down there. It’s more important than religion. Hell, that is their religion.
      They’ve had consecutive sellouts at Memorial Stadium from the early ’60’s. They even fill up that joint for spring practice.

  46. stixwiz said, on May 30, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Whodda thunk it that SF would be the team causing Kyle M. to revert to form, with his four I.P. being well and away his shortest outing of the year and his most runs allowed. His ERA ballooned from a nifty 3.11 to a more robust 3.86.

    As for the ‘Midwest’ thing, it’s primarily ethnic. Only part of Minnesota where that claditude is pretty strong is in heavily German Stearns County. Pawlie could probably fill us in a bit more on that area as he did some time at St. Johns University in Collegeville. It has been said that when the Bishop sneezes in St. Cloud the entire county comes down with double pneumonia.

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on May 30, 2011 at 4:34 pm

      Fuzzy memories of Saint Cloud: cold, cold, and hitchhiking 12 miles just to get a copy of banned Playboy. You do what you gotta do.

  47. Macdog said, on May 30, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    Fuckin’ LaRussa, down 7-3 with 1 out and no one on in the 9th, and he’s changing pitchers. I hope Huff crushes one.

  48. stixwiz said, on May 30, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Mac: Cardinals BP has been run out quite a bit lately. LaRussa felt a need to atone for it the other day against the Rox where he hung Garcia, i think it was, out to dry while getting schtomped a bunch. Today’s run-out of their pen may tell somewhat over the next three days.

  49. DJLoo said, on May 30, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    I don’t think anyone commented on my suggestion yesterday that Torres hit third. Anybody like it better now?

  50. James said, on May 30, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    If Romo threw a little harder, I’d be tempted to compare him to Eckersley.

  51. Macdog said, on May 30, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    Well, 7-3 W, it’s all good. Great start to the series, with three more shots to get one more in St. Lou.

  52. stixwiz said, on May 30, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Refreshing win. Though Giants batters reverted to form against the St.L. bullpen, this time they bunched those hits and walks against McClellan where they counted.

    None of the three upcoming starter matches look dire for the Giants. Gutsy, Timmy and Dirty stand a decent chance to pitch deep. With the Cardinals BP a bit worked lately, Giants strategy over the rest of the set may be to be really selective and picky at the plate, working up those pitch counts ~ unless they see an irresistible fatty.

    Chances look very good now that the worst they should do on this teller of a trip is 3-4. Odds are probably not any worse than 45-55 that they win a pair of the next three. That would make for a bubbly flight home Thursday evening.

    Kudos to the Undertaker for an outing worthy of a starter for the World Champs.

    • zumarust said, on May 30, 2011 at 4:27 pm

      This is what will get the Giants the division title. Putting a quality starter out there everyday. No other team in the division can do that.

  53. Rough Trade said, on May 30, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    Don’t know if this has been discussed, but Bumgarner is again much better this yr on the road than at home.

  54. twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    Who would lead off, Loo? “Anybody” doesn’t count and James already has Burell..
    Speaking of: I know better than anyone that one day does not a season make… but was fine day to discuss the merits of Mr. Torres vs. The Little Bat That Couldn’t

    • DJLoo said, on May 30, 2011 at 5:07 pm

      Freddy’s the logical choice:

      http://tinyurl.com/3fsm2eq

      How about “anybody” for second?

    • James said, on May 30, 2011 at 5:30 pm

      Yep, poor Pat sure couldn’t since he was on the bench, while a below par hacker who should not be taking up a roster spot any more got the playing time.

      If in your mind you felt I was slighting Andres, please enjoy. I also assume you know that Torres is the kind of player I tend to favor. Unlike today’s starting LFer.

      • twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 7:05 pm

        I can’t beliee how seriously many of you take things. Anyone should be able to figger out that on a day when Torres hits a slam and Pat Ks, the discussion of their value went rather well from my view. In other words: I found it humorously serendipitous…as I said, one day doesn’t mean shit.

  55. DJLoo said, on May 30, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    Joes Reyes placed on the bereavement list for 3-7 days due to the death of his grandmother in the DR. Things have sure changed. A few years back they would have told him to send a card and get the hell out in the field.

  56. DJLoo said, on May 30, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    I remember Vince Coleman getting crucified for not knowing who Jackie Robinson was. I wonder if Jose Reyes knows who Curt Flood was?

  57. DJLoo said, on May 30, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    This is just to keep my streak going…

  58. Flavor said, on May 30, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    I’d be fine with Torres batting down the order, shit I’d bat him forth with this crew (should we have someone who could actually lead off and don’t say Rowand). Torres has pop and I suspect he’d really rather try for more bombs. Besides having the biggest bat around I remember reading a Baggs blog entry at the start of the year where he detailed to Baggs how he’s changed his swing to encourage more power. What the hell, why not, the dude might end up being our best power hitter right now.
    Hey Loo, who’s leading our team in HR’s right now? I can’t remember, it seems to change daily……

  59. blade3colorado said, on May 30, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    Some piker named Sandoval . . . missing in action awhile, but rumor has it he said,

    “I’ll be back . . . ” (The governator would be proud).

  60. Del Mar Dennis said, on May 30, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Snakes putting the beat down on the Fish. 11-4 in the 6th. Well on their way to their 7th straight win.
    1st place on Memorial Day. 1st place on the Fourth of July. 1st place…

    • twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 7:30 pm

      Typical: empty prediction without accountability.Doom up to the betting cage..

  61. twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    OK- I’ll try to make this clear: I was one of the most enthusiastic about signing Burrell, I love his contribution last year. Not so this year.In Room B, I make fun of his party guy rep. Live with it. Maybe tomorrow I’ll do “Juan’s Whores”…or “Who’s Gay”?

  62. Del Mar Dennis said, on May 30, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Barbara B. has yielded ELEVEN hits (+ 2W) thru 7 vs the Rockies but only one run.
    It’s not the Rockies year. The Chinese better revise their calendar. It says 2011 is the year of the rabbit, but you coulda fooled me.

    • DJLoo said, on May 30, 2011 at 7:48 pm

      Who’s your favorite “rabbit”, Dennis? Hedevar?

      • Del Mar Dennis said, on May 30, 2011 at 8:16 pm

        He’s probably the most famous one, Loo. The connections of Damascus really did stick it to the great Dr. Fager — twice. But without Hedevar, we know who proved best.

    • twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 8:05 pm

      You never thought the Rockies were uncatchable, DD?

  63. willied said, on May 30, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    Hey bobby bonds used to hit lead off for the Giants, and almost went 40/40 in the AL. Leave him where he is and let Andres go for it. Nice thing about him having that kind of pop is that OF guys can’t cheat in and take away the bloop hits. so when they are playing back, they also have in the back of their heads they can’t dive and not come up with one hit in front of them and have it roll by them.
    Didn’t the Mets try reyes batting third? with what results?

  64. willied said, on May 30, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    The issue of who is the third OF guy often boils down to who Bochy likes to hit LHP. Burrell so far is much better vs. RHP, and is a better slugger and higher OB than Nate. Nate has run into a few tho, and his OPS is way up over last year, and an OF of torres ross nate is pretty solid defensively.
    Bochy obviously is not yet sold on going all in with anyone, including Belt. I’m interested to see what he could do vs. LHP; Huff as I recall isn’t handling RHP too well so far either. Avg. dropped again today, so maybe Belt can steal some ABs there too.
    I predicted winning road trip..we are already back to .500.

  65. twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Well, I think Ford stays when he’s off the DL. IMO it’s Belt back down or Burrell released.

    • DJLoo said, on May 30, 2011 at 8:49 pm

      Well if he stays, should he get some regular playing time or do you just keep him in reserve for the occasional late game heroics? Remember the spark Rajai Davis provided a few years ago? Although I’m not sure it translated into victories…

      • twinfan1 said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:13 pm

        He’s hardly looked overmatched in his few plate appearances. But that’s a tough call- it’s sorta nice that he’s available to run for anybody. I think I’d give him spot starts and go from there.When he just runs for someone, he’s essentially batting a thousand..

  66. ewisco said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    you all are so caught up in your underwear. it’s late may. real men put their hands up during a roller coaster ride.

  67. Del Mar Dennis said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Huff has to sit tomorrow. I best see Belt at 1B. The Bat has 4 HRs (21 ABs) off of Carpenter. Let’s throw James a bone and start the Machine. He’s bound to run into one eventually. Won’t be a baseball, but a 24-year-old blonde who’s bound, gagged and ready to go.

  68. TedSpe said, on May 30, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Who’s Curt Flood?

  69. TedSpe said, on May 30, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Great fucking win tonight
    HOOO-RAHH


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