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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 28, 2011

This trade is epic in the history of the SF era. Ellis Burks? Negative. Burks got a little better when he got to SF, at least that season. He was a bronze or a silver medal when he was acquired. Beltran is a gold medal. He was the main offensive player available on the current market. And Sabean went out and got him, sending Atlanta, Texas and Philly scurrying for whatever might be lurking in Room B. And he basically got him for free, only having to pay 2 million or so on the rest of the deal. I don’t sweat the cost for a second. Wheeler is a guy who *might* be our 4th or 5th starter in 2013. He’s no Alderson but he’s not guaranteed to be a Bumgarner either….

If people haven’t figured it out yet, the Giants are a level below the Red Sox and the Yankees in terms of the money they can spend. They’re above everyone else. The World Series win has taken the financial handcuffs off. If they have to buy an expensive #3 or #4 in 2013 they will do it without blinking. Meanwhile, we have just taken dead aim on defending our crown…….

This pick up will have direct, positive implication on several batters. Torres idolizes this dude. Huff and Sandoval no longer have to feel like they have to be THE GUY—a much better role for both of them. Not to mention the effect it will have on Beltran. Dude, you just went from a me-first clubhouse to the best player clubhouse in all of baseball. He’s going to thrive, we’re going to thrive, and if I had a hat on I would doff it with great deference to Brian Sabean for pulling off a deal I didn’t think he had in him………

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  1. twinfan1 said, on July 28, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Going into tonight he was hitting .,255 w/.632 OPS with two strikes. With RISP he’s .318 with .804 OPS
    Last year he hit .138 with two strikes, .419 OPS.
    With RISP he was .260 .737. In particular w/2 strikes, that’s a huge improvement. Last year he got nothing but the backfoot slider with 2 strikes.

  2. ewisco said, on July 28, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    and he’s still getting it. just not swinging at it as often. rowand is a sucker for that pitch too.

  3. stixwiz said, on July 28, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Keppinger may be trying too hard. Tried to ride that horsehide but couldn’t get enough pull to it. Long, noisy out.

  4. snarkk said, on July 28, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    WTF was that not a strike, yet called ball four? Ridiculous…

  5. ewisco said, on July 28, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    the phils gotta be feeling some pressure. lead off walk but they’ve GOT to get something. down 2-0 and that scintillating and FRESH bullpen waiting. the door is cracked but if timmie slams it back shut they’ve got to feel like they’re in trouble.

  6. ewisco said, on July 28, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    timmiie!

  7. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 28, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    I want Wheeler back.

  8. twinfan1 said, on July 28, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Why,it’s, it’s…. Car-Ko!!!
    😉

  9. zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    Nice hit and run. Very cool.

  10. zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Oh man!

  11. twinfan1 said, on July 28, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Hey, both catchers over the Mendoza Line, who needs another?

    • zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 6:14 pm

      The Giants have to make their decision on the probability of getting to the World Series with those two guys. If they get to the World Series, then it’s not as big a deal. They can bat one of them ninth in the AL park.

  12. snarkk said, on July 28, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Gamer is smart.
    He figured he’d hit his patented DP ball to 3rd, but the 3rd basemen would screw it up and turn it into a 2 run play for the Giants. Brilliant….

  13. stixwiz said, on July 28, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    With that error as an indicator, the Phils may have lost their edge a bit. Can happen readily when you face a one-two punch of the Horse and the Freak. Sports section of the May 27 New York Times listed what they felt to be the ten top One-Two combos in the game, starting with the Halliday-Lee pair as #1. Curiously, this WAR based chart did not include Matt and Timmy. Statistics may not lie, but sometimes they may get WARped a bit.

  14. zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    I saw Mayberry hit a homerun vs. the Stockton Ports in Single-A a few years ago.

  15. TedSpe said, on July 28, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Huh. For some reason I kinda forgot about Ramon Ramirez. Has he not pitched in a while or am I just kind of duhyee?

  16. zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    You just never know what’s going to happen when one of the Giants pitchers makes a fielding play.

  17. zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Wow- on the replay….Ramirez completely took his eye off the ball to watch the guy running to first for a moment.

  18. zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Affeldt! Nicely done.

  19. twinfan1 said, on July 28, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Rowand did have a pretty fair record as a PH…they could use comparable from the left side.

  20. zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Whew. That ball looked like it was going to be outta here.

  21. twinfan1 said, on July 28, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    I must say that there’s a feeling of great calm when a ball is hit toward any of our guys out there. Think of how it started this year with Pat and Huff at the corners…

  22. zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    I wonder if the ump will let Wilson wear his shirt open, and that t-shirt open. A batter could complain if they wanted to.

    • zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 6:59 pm

      t-shirt showing, I meant. Seems like it would be distracting.

      • zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 7:05 pm

        Ha! It doesn’t matter, his beard actually closes the shirt between pitches when he bends down!
        The one and only Wilson!

  23. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 28, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    Got Heem! Take that Phillies. Just a little reminder of who’s still boss.

  24. zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Although I’m curious what the t-shirt said. It had big shiny white letters across the top.

  25. Bozo said, on July 28, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    That’s what I’m talking about.

  26. Flavor said, on July 28, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    I wish there were some Philly fans near me right now so I could tell them to go fuck themselves……

    • Nipper said, on July 28, 2011 at 7:32 pm

      BLEEP!

  27. zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    This is a HUGE win. The Giants continue to play well against the Phils, overall, as they’ve done for several years now.

  28. Rough Trade said, on July 28, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    Making it look easy. No reason they can’t go oh…99-63.

  29. stixwiz said, on July 28, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    That was nice. Down em two games to one in their own playpen. Though we did not see Halliday, Lee or Oswalt, Cain and Lincecum topped Hamels and Kendrick. Their pitchers are pretty damned good. Ours are better. Though Timmy wasn’t at his sharpest, sponsoring something like three innings where they had a pair of baserunners; he did pitch his way outta those jams.

    Great to see the Panda get us on the board, becoming the first Giant to hit double figures in dingers. Though Beltran did not contribute tonight, his presence had to have an impact on the team’s approach at the plate. Perhaps a nice flow will get established in Cincinnati with Keppinger and Beltran integrating their contributions into the general weave of the team.

    Again, the bullpen was outstanding. But what’s with Wilson? Don’t spose the “Drama Queen” thing has been called to his attention and he has been slurping smoothies lately to show everyone he can do that too.

    • zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 7:18 pm

      Beltran made a nice play in the outfield, on a sliding catch. It was a lot of hustle. And then compare it to the lack of hustle from Howard on that play that Rowand hit.

      • PawlieKokonuts said, on July 28, 2011 at 8:14 pm

        Some catch. Bochy and Sabes got a few extra gray hairs on that one.

  30. twinfan1 said, on July 28, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    It’s certainly interesting that they’re backing off on Zito starting Sunday while saying he’s healthy. Could it be over?

    • Nipper said, on July 28, 2011 at 7:31 pm

      Lets pray it’s over. We all need a divorce from this player.

  31. ewisco said, on July 28, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    taking 2 of 3 in their place. after taking 2 of 4 in their place when, you know, it counted. what ho phillie fans? still a mistake?

  32. Flavor said, on July 28, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    no reason for it to be *over* for Zito. Give him a hangnail and let him go back to the pen to work with Raggs on his *smellocity*. It would be fun to watch Surkamp pitch. Why the fuck not?

    • twinfan1 said, on July 28, 2011 at 8:37 pm

      I think everyone would ike to see Surkamp. But unless they move some folks, Zits is going to take a spot from a much better reliever.. …and Dirty is of course coming back. Who are you releasing for Zito?

  33. PawlieKokonuts said, on July 28, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    In the Methinks Thou Doth Protest Too Much Department, Charlie Manuel was quoted as saying, “We can beat them. They’re not in our head.” Righto.

  34. PawlieKokonuts said, on July 28, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Watched the game at Tully’s sports bar, Syracuse. (I think SU hoops player Brandon Triche was at a nearby table with his buddies; pleasant-enough fellow.) The table in front of me, next to the screen, had a guy w/ a fruity SF hat. Gray and white. One of those faux-threadbare caps. He was there w/ three other dudes. They hardly watched the game at all. Showed no interest. No inkling of even seeing my SF Giants cap. Obviously, I did not do my usual: start an animated baskingitacious conversation. Fuckem. Fraud.

    Giants win!

    We send a message!

    And the message is this:

    We’ve still got our bask on.

  35. stixwiz said, on July 28, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    “We can beat them. I know we can. They’re not in our heads.” -Charlie Manuel
    ~~~uh huh.

  36. zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Bob Costas: “How do you like being with the Giants?”
    Beltran: “It’s been great since Day One.”

  37. zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    Saw this in an article. It’s Ryan Howard’s contract. Interesting.
    “The 30-year-old Howard will make $20 million each in 2012 and 2013 and $25 million annually from 2014-16. The Phillies have a $23 million club option for 2017 with a $10 million buyout.”

    • Nipper said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:18 pm

      Hot and cold player.

  38. twinfan1 said, on July 28, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    Big outing for Runzler- 5 IP 2 H 0 R 1 BB 9 K

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:08 pm

      Terrific. Now let’s trade ’em to Cincy for Ramon Hernandez.

      • twinfan1 said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:41 pm

        Maybe you are right, Ramon might be available- but not for Runzler. Too much.

  39. TedSpe said, on July 28, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    Flav, the caption for POTG??!!
    Too fucking funny.
    Yeah, dude’s just trying to fit in on the onset. God bless’m

  40. twinfan1 said, on July 28, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Funny shit from the Philly article:
    “If anything, the Giants held a mirror up to the Phillies and showed them their most glaring blemish – the need for another productive bat in the lineup, preferably from the right side.”

  41. twinfan1 said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    To paraphrase something or another:
    We hit theirin’ bettter than they hit ourin’

  42. snarkk said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Props to Timmeh.
    He shut em out for 6, and with a few defensive hiccups thrown in to make it interesting, plus a walk that should have been a called strike 3.
    I think we’ll keep him…

  43. zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    I didn’t do an exhaustive search on this, but I think Wilson probably violates this rule, though the umps and the opposing players don’t seem to care. Wilson may be the only player in MLB these days that leaves that second button unbuttoned. The rule says the undershirt has to be in a team’s primary color, or gray. Is the Giants primary color orange? Wilson’s t-shirt tonight looked like it was black with white lettering:
    http://www.uniformviolation.com/ViolationDetails-MLB.php?vid=5&ln=Jones

    • Nipper said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:13 pm

      Whatever…..

      • zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:15 pm

        It’s no big deal, but I had the thought that if a batter wanted to get into Wilson’s head a bit, he could complain about it.

      • zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:16 pm

        I should say, if a batter wanted to TRY to get into WIlson’s head. I don’t think it would bug Wilson one bit if the ump made him button that button.

    • zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:13 pm

      Maybe the Giants’ primary color is black.

      • twinfan1 said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:38 pm

        Good catch,I don’t think Wilson loses too many head games.

      • zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:52 pm

        Yeah, Wilson had fun with the whole thing about his shoes. Using the black marker on his shoes was classic. So, I guess the Giants primary color IS black, according to the whole thing about his shoes.

  44. snarkk said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Gotta luv the Philly blogs.
    Some say the Giants still suck and can’t believe the losses, some say they have no hope against the Giants, some say they gotta get Pence or they can’t get to the WS. Too funny.
    Most of the Philly media seems to think the Phills are ready to give away the store to get Pence, and beat the Braves to the punch. After sucking against Cain and Timmy the last two games, they may be right. Manuel is probably yelling that he needs another hitter, now that SF got Beltran. Like I said, gotta luv all of that…

    • Nipper said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:14 pm

      Yeah!

  45. twinfan1 said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    Supposedly Philly already made a big offer for Pence but were turned down..
    Houston must be loving it. either Philly or Atlanta look like they really will give away the farm for him..

    • twinfan1 said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:27 pm

      Obviously, Pence will be much more expensive than Beltran,He’s just 28 and isn’t a FA until 2014.

  46. snarkk said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    On that Martinez error on Gamer’s DP ball, Howard did not seem to run too hard to go after the overthrow. And his throw to home, though on the money, barely missed Stewart sliding in. A little more Howard hustle would have made the difference. Howard is grossly overpaid…

    • twinfan1 said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:32 pm

      K and K noted that at the time. Doubt that Flannery sends Stewart if Howard hustles for the ball.

  47. Rough Trade said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    One of many.

  48. Rough Trade said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    We’ve certainly had our share of the grossly overpaid.

    But that was then. Now under Neuk’s watch, we will draft well and not trade away promising prospects for short term solutions.

    Let’s hope the Beltran deal doesn’t end up boinking us down the road..leading to OVERPAYING for a pitcher.

    • zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:57 pm

      “and not trade away promising prospects for short term solutions. ”
      The Giants just did that, didn’t they? It shows that not everything can be written in stone, in regards to a team’s philosophy. The opportunity to get back to the World Series this season is a very real opportunity.

    • zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 10:03 pm

      Ha! That’s alright. It’s all good.

      • unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2011 at 10:34 pm

        Javier Lopez as Jimmy Fallon . . . funny shit . . .

  49. Rough Trade said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    Meant to delete the last line. No worries here really. They had to go for it.

  50. TedSpe said, on July 28, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    Nipper, if you could go one…ONE day without posting BLEEP!!!…
    I would be eternally grateful

    So, how many Giants pitchers now have ERA’s below 3.00?
    Fucking extraordinary.
    Goodnight, gentlemen (questionus marcus)

    • unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2011 at 10:35 pm

      CHOMP!!

      Sorry, sorry.

      Couldn’t help myself.

  51. zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Alright, I wonder which reporter asked Bochy at the press conference: “Can one player make a difference in a playoff race?”
    Has that reporter never heard of the ’93 season, and a fellow named Fred McGriff?

    • unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2011 at 10:33 pm

      It was a young reporter. What did they call it? The last true pennant race?

      102 and out?

      Don’t remind me . . .

      • zumie said, on July 28, 2011 at 10:37 pm

        103 and out, actually. Sorry to remind you. (grin)

      • unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2011 at 10:45 pm

        NUCK THE FUMBERS . . .

        Goddamn, it has been too long of a day.

        zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  52. Orbofwisdom said, on July 28, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    So, does anyone think Beltran may be the candle under Huff’s ahole? Better snatch him of the FA list now!

  53. eddacker said, on July 28, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    stop using my login Orbo


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