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Gut Check Time

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 6, 2011

When you look at the losses and you want to rant about them it’s actually pretty difficult to do. There isn’t ONE guy to focus your rage on. Even if you say *the offense* that isn’t enough to get a slow burn going since we’ve become numb to it this year. If you bang your toe with a hammer ever day, after a while it stops hurting. That’s how I feel about this offense right now…

As much as I dislike El Presidente for his mounting failures, I have to say that his fighter-bounce-bounce thing in front of the plate was awesome. Victorino wanted NO PART of Whitey or Ramirez. And hitting him on purpose, which was obvious, was absolutely the right move. Maybe it lights a fire under them…….

By the way, a buddy of mine is doing some work for the Giants–sound system/video stuff. He could care less about baseball. The Giants gave him a dvd on Willie Mays that he gave to me. It’s called “Inside the Clubhouse: the Say Hey Kid”–22 minutes long. It’s brilliant. I’m a Mays fan just because I’m a Giants fan. But for those of you who really dig him (Pawlie comes to mind)  I’d be happy to send it to you as long as you promise to send it on to the next person who wants to see it. Either that, or just send it back to me and i’ll send it along. You might have already seen it, it was something that was produced in the off season and it looks like it was made for airing at some point in the season. It centered around his 80th birthday party with lots of great interviews and behind the scene stuff. I had always heard Willie was sort of an ass but when you listen to the interviews from all these different people it seems that I couldn’t have been worse informed. Anyway, Pawlie if you haven’t seen it and would like to check it out just email me. Anyone else, email me to and I’ll put you on the list….bigflavor77@gmail.com

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  1. DJLoo said, on August 6, 2011 at 7:53 am

    Come on Eli, light my……………FIIIIIRRRRREEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!! YEEEAAAA!!!!!!!!

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on August 6, 2011 at 8:06 am

      Eli couldn’t light a Kingsford Match Light BBQ with a kerosene blowtorch.

      Hey, you got anything for the big day at the Spa?

  2. willieD said, on August 6, 2011 at 8:06 am

    Another forgettable night at the plate from Nate, but….Beltran does not appear to have near the typical gun most RFs have, including Nate. I don’t think the phils would have run on Nate the way they have on Beltran.
    I don’t have a problem with James defense of Burrell, but he just didn’t look like the same hitter as last year before his “injury.” He was much less aggressive, taking too many strikes and getting himself behind in the count early, as if he was waiting for the perfect cookie pitch to take into the coke bottle. His OPS remains high because of the OB, but his slugging is down 90 points from last year, and he still Ks an awful lot. More rbis from LF middle order guys would mean more to the team than a few walks, imo.

    • James said, on August 6, 2011 at 9:10 am

      You can dissect Burrell’s OPS and approach any way you want, but he’s basically produced as many runs for the team as Posey did in a similar number of PAs and with the same OPS (consider that he’s lost at least a couple of runs scored via the pinch running.) His hitting w/ RISP has been poor, but as has been pointed out repeatedly, that stat evens out over a whole season. I guarantee you that if Burrell had taken say all of Huff’s ABs this year, the Giants would have a higher runs scored total, for all of Burrell’s flaws. OPS correlates to run production, no matter where you hit in the order. There are many good offenses that do not have aggressive hitters in the middle of the line up. See Philadelphia. Just because the Giants offense is lousy, and Burrell is no Ryan Howard doesn’t mean that his 760 OPS would hurt the Giants relative to their other options for the middle of the order.

      • big flavor said, on August 6, 2011 at 9:14 am

        James, you are nothing if not rock-solid consistent. Do you roll out of bed in the morning talkin’ “OPS”?

      • James said, on August 6, 2011 at 10:04 am

        I got the Talkin’ Paranoid OPS Blues . . .

  3. stixwiz said, on August 6, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Not looking good, gang. This Worley kid may be the real deal. So far he is. Now it looks like they have the heavy five-man rotation and Giants have a question mark at #5. Anyone got info or ideas on what really is it with Drrrty? Is it physical? Mental? Both? Two more starts for him and maybe the team will give some strong thought to Surhoff.

    Something just ain’t clicking with this bunch. Like Flavor says, it’s hard to point to one or two guys and say that’s where the offense is throttled. Snakes seem stymied right now too so the Division may still be a go. But an October repeat looks like Doomerville unless Giants catch a spark like July of last year when Posey emerged as the everyday catcher and the team started making waves. The only possible bright light on the horizon is Belt and he has been jacked around so much that the kid would have to have an armor-plated constitution if he gets the call again, has a brilliant game-winning performance and then rides the pine the next day and for most of his stay. Point here is that Bochy may be the best bullpen man in the game, but he loves his vets much, much; while Sabean and the ownership circle threw all those dollars over two years at Huff and Aubrey’s flailing while Belt rides the Fresnobus. At least he’s playing regular, which is what he needs. Meanwhile, Freddy Freeman had a sour early Spring for Atlanta, but got regular playing time and ultimately worked his way out of it and is now a force.

    So the team needs a good, swift kick in the ass. Where’s it gonna come from? Cain could pick it up today and be nails and the team could take their frustrations out on Hamels. If that doesn’t happen though, October may not be resplendent again in Halloween colors. Both the Horse and the Freak are gonna need to be on top of their games AND get the support they deserve or the Phillies are gonna laugh their way outta the Bay.

  4. raymond said, on August 6, 2011 at 9:25 am

    tough games to watch…Nate needs to switch with Beltran ASAP! Beltran reminds me o the way bonds would approach the ball and throw(not a whole lot of action/speed)…I agree too, phils don’t run on Nate on those plays or if they do, they’re hosed at the plate!! we need pop in the line-up on threat off the bench, meaning pat the bat needs to be activated. maybe boch/sabe are waiting for de rosa to pull up lame again and then activate him!
    also, I think I had this same feeling in the pit of my stomach last year and that there was no hope…maybe history will repeat, but I want to see some fire from our guys…NOW please!

  5. Nipper said, on August 6, 2011 at 10:44 am

    I remember Mays playing like it was yesterday. The way he hit and his fielding in CF and his base running are unforgettable. He covered lots of ground at the STICK. His fellow LF players were mostly statues out there in comparison.

  6. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Hitting w/RISP does not even out over a season as much as a career, James. Don’t challenge me on that, as with the Nate bullshit, I never lose these…you could check Panda with RISP last year and this for an example..
    Beltran made a strong throw to the plate last night,, Whitey might have had the runner with a decent tag effort-
    But the issue is no longer where Beltran should play, it’s that Nate should start at all. If there was a mistake sending Belt down, it was that he should be getting Grok’s starts. It’s time to return Nate to the forest..
    Dirty gave up 2 HRs, both on pretty good pitches, not the BP shit we’ve seen from some other starters. The double standard becomes more glaring all the time. Some troll last night puts the loss totally on Sanchez- all of a sudden lack of run support is only an excuse for the white guys, not the “Latin Boy”.Dirty wasn’t good but first start after his DL stint and he’s back under the bus?
    If Nate doesn’t pick it up I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Belt back when the ten days is up-this time for good. Torres continues to give hope one day, and crash the next. Belt or Huff/Rowand/ Ross/Beltran may be as good as it gets in the OF if Nate or Torres don’t step back up-NOW..

    • James said, on August 6, 2011 at 11:14 am

      But the RISP performance over 200 PAs says nothing about what the next 200 bring. It’s arbitrary. The more PAs, the closer the RISP figure will trend to overall BA.

      Sanchez threw strikes last night, and the Phils were on. He did drop in velocity again, though, after the first couple of innings. That has me bummed. Maybe contrary to popular perception, Dirty is my favorite G-Man.

      • twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 11:48 am

        Most of the time. “Big Money” really was Big Money for two years here, batting wayyyyy above his regular BA, with RISP. Anyway, a player OFTEN will bat significantly higher or lower than his regular BA with RISP, over the course of a season..

  7. DJLoo said, on August 6, 2011 at 10:57 am

    I wonder if Sabean is done dealing. Can’t shake that Marlon Byrd feeling and the Reds catcher…

  8. Del Mar Dennis said, on August 6, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Our OF sucks, has sucked and will continue to suck until more OFers like Beltran are added.
    You know, outside help!

    • twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 11:12 am

      You bailed on Beltran the second day, Doomer.

      • twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 11:18 am

        And although he’s hit SOME, he’s also had some of the most egregious RISP failures. 2 RBI in 9 games, 2 for 9 RISP, 0 for 4 3 K 2 outs RISP. Basically, he’s pretty much sucked so far, .270 BA .695 OPS.

  9. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 11:11 am

    And fucking knock it off on the fiction about Huff”s hitting- it may be a “light” .333 BA over the last couple weeks but you’d all be in fits of orgasmic bliss if Nate or Belt was doing it. As I said above, it’s time to disband the cult. Nate is killing them more than anybody else- awful the last 4 weeks, putrid the last two, and abominable the last week.
    Huff’s light two weeks: 39 AB 13 H 4 R 1 HR 2 RBI .819 OPS
    Mr. MVP: 36 AB 4 H 2 R 0 HR 2 RBI .302 OPS ( OPS the last week-.154)
    That’s 13 hits vs. 4 . Can I remind you that if you get on, there’s at least a chance someone will drive you in. Yes, even on this team.
    Lest I be accused of being biased, Torres has been nearly as bad as Nate: .179 BA 0 RBI .448 OPS last two weeks.

  10. eddacker said, on August 6, 2011 at 11:17 am

    I think the stat that counts is Huff so far 2011 and huff at this point 2010.
    The last two weeks are great and I think he can keep going.

  11. snarkk said, on August 6, 2011 at 11:22 am

    If the Giants meet the Phills in the post season, the SFers better be hot hitting, or better at situational hitting and generating a few HRs by then. They won’t beat the Phils unless the pitching is absolutely lights out, better than last season. Comparing squads, if I had to pick players for a team off last nights starters I would only take Panda and Beltran from the Giants. The rest would be Phills. And, Polanco didn’t play in the NLCS last year, BTW. This Phills team is better right now than last year – no Joe Blanton, Lee instead. And Pence looks like he’s going to really bolster their hitting for the long term, he’s been made a better hitter from now having better, non-Astro hitters around him….

    • blade3colorado said, on August 6, 2011 at 12:00 pm

      Rollins is also someone who has been key for the Phillies . . . Last year he was injured (leg) and he had a mediocre season. This year he’s been outstanding, especially July, where he was white hot. Rumors of his demise have been greatly exaggerated.

      • snarkk said, on August 6, 2011 at 12:13 pm

        Good point Blade. Shows how having a productive leadoff hitter is a key to offensive success. The Torres/Rohand/Ross leadoff team hasn’t gotten it done all year. I would even try Torres batting LH against LHPs for a game or two. We know he sucks right handed hitting (BA .140 or so) against LHPs, can he be worse hitting LHed against LHPs? SF energy is so much better when he is on base, I’d try it…

  12. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 11:35 am

    The Phils would be the obvious favorites, they are also favored to beat any AL team, so let’s not go overboard dissing SF. But of course we can beat them,

  13. snarkk said, on August 6, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Huff is doing so well that Boch put him in the 7 hole today vs. Hamels. That’s where he should be regardless of the opposing pitcher until/if he starts hitting with some pop consistently. After 400 ABs, and 3 of 10 HRs in one game, I’m not holding my breath for a Huff power surge. He was signed to be a top half hitter with pop at 1b — a premier power and RBI position. It hasn’t happened. He’s a huge disappointment so far…

  14. DJLoo said, on August 6, 2011 at 11:54 am

    An MLB note:

    Bochy said deciding who plays center and left — with Beltran entrenched in right — is his toughest daily decision, with Aaron Rowand, Andres Torres, Nate Schierholtz and Cody Ross all capable players. Bochy said he likely will start Rowand and Ross on Saturday because of their career numbers against Hamels. Ross is hitting .281 (9-for-32) with four home runs against the lefty, while Rowand is a .211 (4-for-19) hitter with two triples. Beltran also has had success against Hamels, hitting .278 (10-for-36) with three homers.

    • twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 11:57 am

      Both of those guys( Ross, Rowand) have been starting against all left handers of late. What a fucking surprise.

  15. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 11:54 am

    The pernt was that he’s been better of late than your Cave Boy. No one is arguing that he hasn’t been a disappointment. I detailed that he would be before the fucking season started. The problem is that they don’t have better, despite the fairy tales to the contrary.

  16. DJLoo said, on August 6, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Dennis: In the Whitney, I’m using Giant Oak & Apart. I haven’t been going all that well.

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on August 6, 2011 at 12:36 pm

      OK, I like Rail Trip. He was my first “Heeeeee!” horse back on Flavor’s horse racing blog on the Gate.
      I had him in his debut romp, and I’ve been a fan ever since…

  17. Del Mar Dennis said, on August 6, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Pablo is getting pulverized (to use a boxing term) on KNBR by Marty Lurie and Co. for his “roundhouse” punch last night. The word “coward” was thrown out there…

    CF Rowand, 2B Keppinger, RF Beltran, 3B Sandoval, SS Cabrera, LF Ross, 1B Huff, C Whiteside, P Cain.

  18. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    So has Marty said that to Pablo? And who are the “and Co.?” So let’s see- he throws a punch while surrounded by a couple dozen Phils. Did then run away to Mommy? Where does coward come in?

  19. DJLoo said, on August 6, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    I foresee a big day for my main man Keppinger today. A homer, a single and a walk…

  20. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    One of Denny’s favorites, Tony Bruno, said this:
    “”gutless #!@%*# Giants. Bochy is a coward for having his illegal alien pitcher hit a guy”. It seems that the “Kruegerrands are out in force..

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on August 6, 2011 at 12:22 pm

      Nice try, but this shark ain’t biting on that shitty bait. Enjoy your day of fishing…

      And the “and Co.” would be Patrick Connor. “P-Con” as he’s known on KNBR.

  21. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    OK, pitching coaches can be quite valuable. From Henry:
    “Best part of brawl was Timmy trying 2 jump in pile and Righetti pulling him out. “

  22. eddacker said, on August 6, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    I am looking forward to seeing a SF – Sillies rivalry for the next few years, with brawls, pitching duels and Howard standing at the plate after strike 3

  23. eddacker said, on August 6, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Whiteside is IN on espn web gems, if he’d made the out (throw) to Kep @ first? HOF

  24. snarkk said, on August 6, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Saving Timmeh from the brawl pile was Righetti’s best move of the season…

  25. snarkk said, on August 6, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    I can’t really see whether Panda threw a punch in that mess. If the powers that be see it, he’ll get suspended for a few games. And, that won’t be good. But, if Whiteside gets suspended for a handful of games for his open field tackle, at least we get to see Hector for a bit. The over/under on his ABs — probably 2…

  26. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Don’t know if it’s been covered, some with decent success against Hamels:

    Ross 4 HR 10-35
    Beltran 3 HR 10-36
    Pablo 1 HR 4-13
    Kepp 3 RBI 4-8
    Huff 1 HR 3-14

  27. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    Why the PCL numbers are mocked:
    compable to Belt’s numbers: 31 YO career minor leaguer Justin Christian
    132 AB .341 BA 6 HR 26 RBI .440 OBP 1.031 OPS

  28. snarkk said, on August 6, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Cain better not pitch up much today, or throw his occasional brainless 0-2 heater down the middle. Phills are raking these days…

  29. Del Mar Dennis said, on August 6, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    I guess Pablo punched himself out tired last night. Catch the fucking ball!

  30. snarkk said, on August 6, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Call the NL league office. Can we have Whiteside suspended immediately?…

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on August 6, 2011 at 1:25 pm

      Don’t worry, he will. And so will his cohort in baseball crime, Pablo. Karma is a bitch…

  31. Del Mar Dennis said, on August 6, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    And now Eli’s “rope-a-dope” strategy from last night has come back to haunt us.

    We look like shit warmed over…

  32. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Panda made a rare error- Eli is fucking up daily. How long can they tolerate a catcher who can’t catch or throw?

    • snarkk said, on August 6, 2011 at 1:32 pm

      Apparently, quite a while…

  33. Del Mar Dennis said, on August 6, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    Smart play by J-Roll to let that ball bounce and setup the DP. It’s obvious which team is playing with their thinking caps on and which one is has a fantasy baseball team in Room B named “Dunderheads R Us.”

  34. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    There was not a stupid play by the Giants. There were a couple of physical errors.

  35. Del Mar Dennis said, on August 6, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    OK, “Handicapped R Us.” Better?

    • twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 2:03 pm

      No. Why a supposed fan would trash his team 24/7 is pathetic. They’re having a rough time now. That seems to delight you.

  36. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    The Doomer is correct in that outside help is needed for the catcher position. Hector is at .270 with 0 HR and .667 OPS at Fresno.Max Ramirez appears to be a guy who might hit a lttle, biut he’s said to be deficient behind the plate. Tommy Joseph is a long term prospect, Johnny Monell in Richmond has decent numbers, I know little about him. It’s bleak.For now, I don’t see how they don’t go with Stewart. Can’t hit a lick but he’s saved mucho runs with his defense.

  37. snarkk said, on August 6, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Radio guys just gave me a stat that did hit me over the head like a piece of Rebar. Giants have apparently not hit an HR with a man on base in a month? If I heard that right, it is astounding…

  38. unca chuck said, on August 6, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    Beltran with a chance here. DO SOMETHING

  39. unca chuck said, on August 6, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    Wow. This is fucking just awful.

  40. Del Mar Dennis said, on August 6, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    We traded for that ? And just like that, Joe Frazier hits into the DP.
    “Down goes Frazier! down goes Frazier!”

    • twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 2:18 pm

      I don’t wanna hear one peep out of you about Pablo.They’re looking up at the Pads without him.

      • Del Mar Dennis said, on August 6, 2011 at 2:31 pm

        We might be two games closer to SD thanks Terry Malloy for his impending suspension.
        “I coulda been a contender.”

  41. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    Can we stop hearing how Beltran has helped with shit? At least Panda put wood on the ball. Beltran’s AB was sub-Whitey level.

  42. unca chuck said, on August 6, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    I haven’t read any of this, but, anyone feel like Utley should be drilled for trying to lean into the curve ball last night?

    If I was Affeldt, I would have done him the favor and drilled him between the shoulderblades.

  43. snarkk said, on August 6, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    Seeya. I’m out into the weekend sunshine.
    This unfortunately has all the looks of another 4-1 type beatdown…

  44. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Only hitter who has stepped up after the trade is Panda. With any help at all from the “big dog”, they’d have at least a couple more wins.,

  45. Del Mar Dennis said, on August 6, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Sure, blame it on the “big dog.” This team, as you’ve said countless times yourself, is all about the pitching.
    Now you want to blame it on the team’s offense since the big dog’s arrival? You are droll. Droll. Droll. Droll…

  46. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    The “big dog” has not produced so far. He was acquired to do so, you stupid asshole. Remember- that outside help you lobbied so long and hard for?

  47. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Only a brain dead asshole can scream for Car-Ko for weeks and then say, “well, who expected him to help?”

  48. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Sugesting that we shouldn’t be expecting more than what Car-Ko has delivered thus far is easily Denny’s dumbest work- and there’s plenty of competition.

  49. Del Mar Dennis said, on August 6, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Now one “big dog” is supposed to make a difference?

    1927 Yankees lineup

    CF Combs
    SS Koenig
    RF Ruth
    1B Gehrig
    LF Meusel
    2B Lazzeri
    3B Dugan
    .C Collins

    2011 Giants lineup

    CF Shit
    2B Shit
    RF Beltran
    3B Sandoval
    1B Shit
    RF Shit
    SS Shit
    .C Shit

    One less shit in a lineup ain’t gonna make a shit of difference.

    • twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 3:11 pm

      You said he would, wet brain. I think you need a re-scooping procedure.

  50. unca chuck said, on August 6, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    This team is damn near unwatchable. . . . 2x the hits as the Phillies.0 runs. Down by 2. . . .

    Oh well. Just like the Phillie fans were atwitter after losing 2 of 3 to the Giants, the best outlook the G’s have is 1-3 vs them. Dog days. Blah blaah blah. This team is sleepwalking.

  51. Del Mar Dennis said, on August 6, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Somebody needs to give Pablo a new glove. That 16oz Everlast looks a little too heavy. I’d suggest a lighter 12 oz variety.
    That should help with his reflexes…

  52. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Trashing the team inning after inning, at bat by at bat, is truly concern troll shit. You’re the same piece of crap as your tranny friend.
    Dumb shit screams for Beltran than says no reason to expect he’d help.

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on August 6, 2011 at 3:31 pm

      Keep egging me on and you’ll have Flav deleting posts here again in a minute. I’m in no mood for your shit today. I’m having a (another) bad at the track. You know you’re having a bad day at the track when…you call TVG to make another deposit and after all the credit info you give the operator she asks you if there’s anything else she can do and you reply…”you could wish me good luck?” And her response is, “thank you and goodbye.”

      Fuck you you goddamn bitch of a motherfucking whore!

      • twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 3:42 pm

        Only a worthless piece of shit spends the entrire game trashing his own team. I could care fucking less if posts get deleted or I get banned. I have no intention of tolerating bullshit from an alcoholic birther, tea bagger, and traitor to the country that good men and women have defended.

      • Del Mar Dennis said, on August 6, 2011 at 4:26 pm

        You could care less about getting banned here? Ha! The Flap and the Splash comprise 99.9% of your social interactions. You ca only throw Zeke the tennis ball so many times before he gets tired of chasing the ball — and you.

        You’re getting pretty personal, slanderous, not to mention erroneous in your latest comments. I don’t know how many times I’ve told ya, ” I don’t know nothin’ ’bout birthin’ babies. And the only tea affiliation I have is with Capt. Jean-Luc Picard — Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.”

    • twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 4:44 pm

      Dennis, I’m going to let this go here, You’ll remember, I HAVE spoken to you and and corresponded. I know of what you’ve done to yourself. Good luck.

  53. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Chance for Car-Ko to begin making the difference that Wet Brain said he would.

  54. unca chuck said, on August 6, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Good to see the ump giving Hamels help those last 2 innings.

  55. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    I guess the wind wasn’t blowing out to right for Car-Ko…. meanwhile Denny is pissing all over himself, hoping the DBacks win and take over first.

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on August 6, 2011 at 3:38 pm

      You’re really trying me aren’t you? Listen, so as not to bother the rest of the Flappers (and guys, believe me, that’s not my intention) why don’t you mosey on along over to Chuck’s blog and I’ll give you my latest rendition on the 49ers QB. You know the one. The one who impersonates himself as 12-year-old girl on the rag for the first time. Sound familiar?

      • Nipper said, on August 6, 2011 at 6:42 pm

        Dennis sinking that low? I don’t believe it.

  56. DJLoo said, on August 6, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Beltran is too good for this to continue. Good numbers vs. Oswalt (10-27 .370 HR). At worst, he’ll get going against the garbage they’ll be facing later in the month.

  57. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    I’m sure he will get better. He could hardly help less.

  58. That's *mr* mrbill to you! said, on August 6, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    Pretty amazing how quickly Zito’s foot injury recurrence has healed — he’s already getting a rehab start in SJ tomorrow. At this rate, he’ll log more rehab starts than Amy Winehouse!

  59. Octom said, on August 6, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Don’t think Eli tackled anyone – maybe “in the grasp”.

  60. snarkk said, on August 6, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Hamels was dealin’ today, but so was Cain. He gives up 1 earnie, fewer hits, still loses. Its time for some serious lineup movements to get this team to string hits together since they can’t hit HRs, can’t/won’t bunt, can’t move runners over, and have no speed unless Torres plays and happens to get on. Bochy needs to get off his ass and do something radical when you’re 3 for the last 11 and looking dead in the water. Ya gotta sit Huff; I’d even put Mr. Wrist at first to shake things up. It’ll be different, at least, to see outs hit to the right side by a right hander. BTW, I said Beltran wouldn’t help much…

  61. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    OK- you’ve got DeRosa at first. What are the rest of the rad moves?

  62. paulinasia said, on August 6, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    It’s always an interesting dynamic when new players join a team this late in the season. Not sure what kind of statistical analyses have been done on a) the player’s stats with his new team in the first few weeks compared to his historical stats and/or b) the new team’s record the first few weeks compared to earlier in the season. It appears Pence has hit the ground running with Philly, while Beltran hasn’t helped much yet. The team’s record sucks since the new guys came over, but I don’t think anyone can blame the new guys for the suckitude; it’s not Beltran’s fault the team is losing, but it is his fault he hasn’t helped them win yet. Hmmm. We know he will.. just hasn’t yet.

    Biggest concern, IMO, is catcher. Apparently there just wasn’t a good alternative via trade. If Stew and Eli are really the only options, not sure I agree with Bochy’s statement yesterday that Eli is the main guy “because he’s been here longer.” I love Bochy and never second-guess his in-game decisions. I’m guessing that was just a throw-away comment because there wasn’t much else to say about the situation. But have to agree with Michael — having a catcher who can’t catch or throw is debilitating. Stewart should be the main guy (gulp), not Eli, for chrissakes… until they find help elsewhere. On a better overall team, it wouldn’t matter as much, but it does on this one.

  63. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    Settle in, enjoy it, remember- it’s supposed to hurt..

  64. paulinasia said, on August 6, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Well then, everything is going as planned…. 🙂

  65. EdGdsnInExile said, on August 6, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    Hey Paul, It seems to me you’ve got to consider the lineup into which the hitter is inserted. Pence went into a lineup with patient, veteran, productive hitters, where all he has to do is be himself. Beltran was inserted into a lineup with–outside of Pablo–mediocre or severely underperforming hitters where he’s the difference between them getting back to the Series or not. Lot easier to produce in Pence’s situation I think. I always thought it was interesting that our Bill Mueller, a career .290 AVG/.340 OBA hitter (how we’d love that help!), hit .325 in his full year in the brutal BoSox lineup.

    In news of other ex-Giants, anyone see Jesus Guzman is at .343/.384/.600 for the Pads? 26 RBIs on 36 hits…

    I went up to Camden Yards Friday night; O’s looked pretty flat in falling to Jays. Bautista’s bat crackles; reminds me of Alfonso Soriano’s 2006 of 40/40/40. I had Boog Powell’s bbq, although he wasn’t out greeting people as he sometimes does. If you haven’t visited, it’s a great park. Nice change from Nats Park, where every third person is staring at their smartphone.

    • zumie said, on August 6, 2011 at 9:45 pm

      The Giants were pretty horrified at Guzman’s defensive “skills.” You know, as bad as Huff is hitting, he’s playing some very good defense at firstbase. He picked a few throws out of the dirt today. Maybe Guzman’s defense has improved, but the Giants felt they had to turn the page on him, and it’s worked out good for Guzman, although the Padres overall aren’t doing all that well.

  66. zumie said, on August 6, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    It is pretty amazing the turnover for the Giants one season after winning the World Series. Out of the 8 main starting position players in the playoffs, only two of them were starting today. Compare that to the Phillies, who have basically their entire team intact, with Pence basically the equivalent of Werth. Sandoval is having a good season for the Giants, obviously, and Beltran and Keppinger are good players, so there is still enough to win with, if Huff, Ross, and Torres can raise their production. Those three did so much to help the Giants win it all last season.
    I was at the game today. (I said “game,” not “ballgame” because you all know the game is played with a ball.) Beautiful weather, and even though a lackluster game, it was still a nice day at the ballpark. The fans did what they could. They cheered hard for the team. They bought extraordinary amounts of food, drink, and swag. They’re trying to will this team onto victory. There’s just so many hitters struggling at the same time, though. It’s one of the biggest hitting funks I’ve ever seen a Giants team in. There’s not much Bochy can do. As the game drifted along, I started day-dreaming about next season. Ideally the Giants could make a big bold move on offense. The two best options out there in the free agent market will be Pujols and Fielder. I think the Giants should enter into those sweepstakes. I’m not sure how they would pull it off financially. DeRosa’s $6 million comes off the books, and it might mean saying goodbye to Affeldt, and that would still mean raising the payroll $15-$20 million probably. But…..with all these sell-outs, and the Giants fans buying so much swag…..

    • zumie said, on August 6, 2011 at 9:40 pm

      Tejada’s $6 million comes off the books, too, so that helps. And maybe Affeldt can be signed at a big pay cut. I’m not sure what his value will be on the open market.

  67. zumie said, on August 6, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    There were several companies giving away free beverages along the Bay walk to the ballpark. Iced tea, sports drinks, vitamin water. Very cool thing.

  68. twinfan1 said, on August 6, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    Guzman came up the first time on a Friday. A ground ball was hit to Frandsen, who threw to Guzman. Jesus looked like he got the shit scared out of him seeing a thrown ball headed his way. It clanked off his glove. Frandsen sneered into the dugout as if he was saying “See, I told you..”.. The Guzman Era was over and the Ishi era resumed..


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