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Texas Wins this Series and The Carson Palmer Trade

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on October 19, 2011

I searched youtube for the Tony La Russa *dancing in tights” videos and only came up with “Tony La Russa–DUI videos”– some of those were a hoot, as was David Cassidy’s road side test. I feel a twinge of sympathy for celebrities who get pulled over. Once the cop finds out who they are they probably do anything they can to be able to bring them in. But that sympathy goes away when I remember that they are millionaires who should be able to afford a driver or, at worst, a cab ride home. Anyway….

I am rooting for Texas to win this series and I think they win it rather easily. Everyone talks about how poor, dumb Ron Washington can’t manage within the NL rules. Well, he’s made the World Series 2 straight years so he’s gotta be doing something right. And I suspect he, and his players, gleaned a lot from last year’s experience. I’ll say Rangers in 6 (and I almost said 5)….

The Raider Trade: It’s a trade they had to make. There wasn’t anyone on their roster or languishing on the WW who could step in and keep this thing going. Everyone is looking at Palmer’s last couple of years (saying his best years are behind him) but he had no deep threats on those teams and that’s the Raider’s specialty. I can’t wait to see how that  golden arm connects to the bullet trains that Oakland sends on all their “go” routes. I don’t follow Oakland enough to know how good their O-Line is so that could be a problem if they aren’t any good. But if he’s got any time at all this offense could turn into a high-flying machine. And they’ve got McFadden that the defense always has to stop. The *go* routes and the *post* routes are there for the taking if they want it…..

Plus, they DID technically draft a #1 QB in the supplemental draft this year (Pryor). That could have been the *type* of guy they would have drafted anyway in next year’s draft….

Of course they paid too much. But if it works and they go deep in the playoffs or to another Super Bowl and Palmer is re-born in Oakland, the price won’t matter a bit. Only the results. And although it’s a huge gamble, I can’t think of a better way to say “Just win, Baby”….



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  1. Giant Head said, on October 19, 2011 at 6:53 am

    Got to root for the Rangers…a cardsa victory would take away our glory because this Cards run has been completely improbable…plus I hate LaRussa…

  2. PawlieKokonuts said, on October 19, 2011 at 7:28 am

    Good morning. I was up late, mostly working. On “paper” Texas wins easily. And I picked them here a couple days ago. I hedge that now because if the Cards win Game 1, it will be like the Giants beating Cliff Lee last year and throwing the whole thing off the tracks. Also, the Cards have been riding this Cinderella carriage and playing out that story line.

    Wonder if Cruz and Freese stay hot, my friends.

    Anyway, I’ll sit back and enjoy. As my 14 yo daughter said during the playoffs, “Gee, Dad, it’s so relaxing compared to last year. I’m not nervous at all. It’s easy to watch.” And I thought I was mellow last year! Hahahahahahaha.

    Still basking!

  3. PawlieKokonuts said, on October 19, 2011 at 7:32 am

    STuuuuupid commentary on ESPN radio last night. Kincaid posing the question, is the pitching era over; now it’s all offense. (In his defense, he said this is hardly a sample time span for an ERA, and he was just provoking calls.)

    Sabes and Co. are right. Build on pitching. But have SOME batting. Kincaid posing the question: should the Phils have had all that pitching, when they needed hitting? I think that’s jumbles a lot of premises and mixes a lot of apples and tomatoes.

    Maybe that’s a separate thread, after the WS.

    • willieD said, on October 19, 2011 at 8:21 am

      You’re right…especially when you consider how they got by Philly, with Carps beating Doc 1-0. Sure he lost, but put Doc on any other team and see what happens to them. They had all the sticks last year, but SF pitching beat them and everyone esle.

  4. willieD said, on October 19, 2011 at 8:18 am

    Imagine how much more insufferable LaRussa would be if he won again. Wifi in the dugout…texting the pen and his 3b coach…”my printout shows that pitch was exactly 12 millimeters low and away…..”
    Campbell, given enough time, wasn’t doing half bad either. KInd of odd to wave good bye to th eguy. Pryor is useless this year and I don’t think would be near as high a pick as what they gave up. Their D is going to need help in the draft next year, and now they don’t have any picks, literally.

  5. big flavor said, on October 19, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Dilfer was on KNBR this morning saying basically everything I said about Palmer. There probably isn’t a better spot for him to waltz into. Opposing defenses never worried one whit about Campbell, they were too worried about stopping the running game. Now the Raiders have “Golden Arm Boy” back there? He’s gonna have 2 or 3 40+ yard passing plays a game….

    • Nipper said, on October 19, 2011 at 9:20 am

      Campbell will be quickly forgotten with this signing especially if Palmer has a big year. That’s sports! BLEEP!

    • Nipper said, on October 19, 2011 at 9:26 am

      And Saunders says Palmer plays Sunday if he’s breathing! Bollar stays on the bench! LOL

  6. Nipper said, on October 19, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Apparently the average age of the World Series audience now watching on TV is 55 plus. OUCH!

  7. unca_chuck said, on October 19, 2011 at 9:46 am

    How long it will take Palmer to get going is a big question. He didn’t go to camp this year, and hasn’t played football since last year. The Raiders O line isn’t exactly doing a bang-up job, so the likelihood of Palmer getting off to a slow start is fairly real. As is the chance that Palmer gets injured behind that porous line.

    If anything the trade got the Harbaugh handshake out of ESPN breathless bullshit rotation.

  8. twinfan1 said, on October 19, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Whether it’s been injury, his receivers, whatever..Palmer hasn’t been an elite QB for 5 years. It’s certainly a nice deal for the Bengals who are winning with defense while promising rookiue Dalton puts up the same numbers they’ve been getting from Palmer the last few years. We’ll see how it works out for the Raiders, certainly he’s better than Boller, but this is an early Christmas present for the Bengals.

  9. TedSpe said, on October 19, 2011 at 10:28 am

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on October 19, 2011 at 4:46 pm

      With my daughter a professional ballet dancer, I imagine I’ve seen The Nutcracker 15 times. After about 8 years, I started figuring out the story. It’s a family joke. You mean, it’s a dream?!

  10. twinfan1 said, on October 19, 2011 at 11:08 am

    As to the WS, I already picked Texas in 5. ESPN is saying that LaRussa had no choice but to go so long with his relievers. Really? He pulled Garcia one out short of going 5 with a 3 run lead. And he pulled Carpenter after 5 leading. Tony got this in his head as another way to show he’s a genius. As to Wash, he did mismanage his pen in the 2010 WS and he got away with a huge mistake in he Detroit seriers when he pulled the dominant Ogando for Mike Gonzales. When you have Ogando/Adams/Feliz you fucking forget match ups- those are your guys in crunch time, period. We’ll see if he’s learned. He’s a smart guy, I’d bet he has.

  11. Nipper said, on October 19, 2011 at 11:19 am

    There’s still time for you guys to come to your senses and get behind the CARDS! I just can’t believe anyone would be behind a TEXAS team. LaRussa playing in the ballet could out manage Texas. And besides who wants to agree with Chuck?

  12. Macdog said, on October 19, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Any chance for the loathsome Jerry Jones to get upstaged in Dallas is alright with me. First the Mavs, now hopefully, the Rangers in 6.

  13. twinfan1 said, on October 19, 2011 at 11:28 am

    As long as Wash doesn’t use Romo to close it out, the Rangers are in..

  14. twinfan1 said, on October 19, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Link to the right- Moms get their due, and about time…

  15. Giant Head said, on October 19, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Rangers in 6, maybe 5…

  16. twinfan1 said, on October 19, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Most years the World Series just isn’t baseball. We got lucky last year. But tonight is not baseball weather and will not be a true test. It seems to be the case most years. I haven’t researched October weather but there has to be a difference with the series starting a week later than it used to end ( Maz whupped the Yankees in Game 7 on October 13th)…

  17. unca_chuck said, on October 19, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Oct 17, 1989 was game 3, right?

  18. unca_chuck said, on October 19, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Yeah, it seems to me that baseball may end up going the football route and selecting a neutral site for the world series. Somewhere domed and climate-controlled.

    Oh yeah. Texas in 6.

  19. zumie said, on October 19, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    What a lot of us don’t like about LaRussa is this whole humorless persona he’s crafted, as if he’s under a heavy burden being weighed down by the obligations of his own genius. And he’s a notorious ump-baiter, who the Phillies and their fans believe very strongly got calls from an intimidated homeplate ump in one of the early games in that Phillies series. I could be wrong, but I think it was the same ump who blew that big call at home in the Pitts./Atlanta game. The game that seemed to derail the Pirates’ season. Am I remembering this all correct?

    • unca_chuck said, on October 19, 2011 at 5:15 pm

      Sounds good to me . . .

      Don’t let the truth detract from a good consipracy theory.

    • TedSpe said, on October 19, 2011 at 5:37 pm

      On the other hand, I don’t put a lot of weight with what the Phillies and their fans think.
      LaRussa’s just a pompous hypocrite

  20. twinfan1 said, on October 19, 2011 at 5:25 pm


    • That's *mr* mrbill to you! said, on October 19, 2011 at 5:47 pm

      Caption: “Len Dykstra calls me erratic!”

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on October 19, 2011 at 6:54 pm

      Sheesh! Oh gosh, where the heck did you find that from? Fox won’t be running that. Fair and balanced? You decide. The 1st Step is the hardest, Tony.

  21. zumie said, on October 19, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    And it gets tiresome hearing about the Cardinals’ 10 championships. 3 of them were ’42, ’44, and ’46. Gee they must be real proud of those 3 titles they won while MLB was completely depleted by the need to win the biggest war in human history.

  22. twinfan1 said, on October 19, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Nolan Ryan looks like he’s still pissed off about his shitty lawn..

  23. twinfan1 said, on October 19, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Ahhh, St. Louis, home of the St. Louis Blues And Jazz Hall Of Fame… and who do we get for the National Anthem? Scotty “Cornball’ McCreery…

  24. Big flavor said, on October 19, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    I watched that entire 10 min interview of la russa in jail getting interviewed. He didn’t seem that hammered to me. Of course, that was 2 hours after he was found asleep at the wheel at an intersection. Anyone here if he beat the rap? He told the cops he had 2 glasses of wine at dinner.

    • twinfan1 said, on October 19, 2011 at 6:47 pm

      Does everybody think they go straight to jail if they say they had THREE drinks? I mean, I understand not fessing up to nineteen but three seems reasonable enough and you might get credit for originality..

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on October 19, 2011 at 6:56 pm

      My niece, who is a flight attendant, saw La Russa once at a restaurant, quietly reading a book.

  25. twinfan1 said, on October 19, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    “Cardinals manager Tony La Russa pleaded guilty to a drunk driving charge in Florida on Wednesday, essentially resolving a case that began in March when he was arrested during Spring Training.

    According to multiple reports, La Russa will serve six months probation and perform 50 hours of community service, pay a fine and attend a DUI school. He was arrested March 22 in Jupiter, Fla., the Cardinals’ Spring Training home, when he was found asleep at the wheel of his sport-utility vehicle.”

    • Flavor said, on October 19, 2011 at 7:51 pm

      thanks, sounds like the standard penalty, tho 50 hours seems like a lot. But maybe the *sleeping a the wheel” thing was frowned upon by the judge who issued the sentence….

  26. PawlieKokonuts said, on October 19, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Did anyone catch the dig by La Russa at Ron Washington? When the Fox guy asked about celebrations, La Russa said it’s okay IF HE’S SINCERE.

  27. Nipper said, on October 19, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Tony is a great guy! Ask Mark McGuire.

  28. twinfan1 said, on October 19, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Well, I was wrong about this game not being a true test because of the weather, it’s been a darn good ballgame..

    • twinfan1 said, on October 19, 2011 at 7:56 pm

      Hard not to feel good for a guy like Arthur Rhodes. Texas pays part of his salary, the Cards kick in some, and Social Security chips in the rest.

  29. zumie said, on October 19, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Either really good relief pitching by the Cardinals in the 8th, or really bad hitting from the Rangers.

  30. macdog said, on October 19, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Was that the best the Rangers could send up there off the bench in the top of the 7th? Yikes.

  31. snarkk said, on October 19, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    I have almost no interest in this WS. Unlike last year where my interest level was on the moon. Normally, I’d at least want the NL rep to win. This year, I could give a hoot. I’ll pull a little for Texas, only because they’ve made it two years running, and that is damn hard to do, so they deserve some respect. But, I respect the Cards fanbase more than Texas — baseball in Texas is just something to ignore in between football seasons. Yet, there is the LaRussa factor. He and his steroid blinders. So, slight preference here to the Rangers to win their first. My interest level is so high on this WS that my younger one is watching an old Winnie the Pooh tape, and after a coupla glasses of Chard, I’m into it more than this game tonite…

    • Nipper said, on October 19, 2011 at 8:39 pm

      Winnie……ain’t he cute!

    • Big flavor said, on October 19, 2011 at 9:02 pm

      I couldn’t agree more with this analysis…

  32. twinfan1 said, on October 19, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    Well, it was a real good ballgame, so I enjoyed that. Night all- link to the right, tell us about Mommy..

  33. Nipper said, on October 19, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    Tony…..what a guy! ARF!

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