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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on October 26, 2011

After reading and re-reading LaRussa’s bizarre, unbelievable explanations for how the names “Rzepczynski”, “Lynn” and “Motte” get mixed up, I have to believe he is covering for someone. Either Duncan or Lilliquest. Hell, maybe Motte was in the bathroom or something. Who knows. But nothing about what he’s saying happened could have actually happened. And if he is covering for someone, what is the point? If someone else is responsible, why can’t they man up and field the tough questions? I understand WHY Tony is choosing to cover I just don’t understand why the guy responsible isn’t wanting to own any of this. Maybe he doesn’t want to be “Bartman-ized”. Actually, that makes some sense.

But that makes this just about one man. What about the team? The city and fans that want this so badly? If a plausible answer came to light, this would all blow over (except for the one guy who would eat it). As it stands today, there are still more questions than answers. LaRussa just made all this worse than it needed to be (assuming he’s covering up the real story). The Cardinals need to regain their focus and it’s pretty hard to do with this hanging over their collective head…..

A win tonight would fix everything. A loss? LaRussa will go from “baseball genius” to “baseball joke” over night. He’s just not a smart person if he thinks anyone believes the bullshit answers that he’s feeding the media right now……

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  1. Giant Head said, on October 26, 2011 at 7:08 am

    This has played out brilliantly for Giant fans. LaRussa, whom we all hate, tries to play up his geniusness. What happened on Monday night is the most bizarre thing I have ever seen in World Series history.

    If it happened one time that the pen sent the wroong guy out, dont you think if I am LaRussa, I am sending someone personally down to the bullpen to make sure I have the guy I want up and there is no way I am having my lefty face Napoli if he was sent in incorrectly. I tell him to throw one pitch and grab his side and act like he pulled a muscle.

    The whole world series may come down to that at-bat and LaRussa is going to do the “right” thing and stick wiith him????

    The only thing that could have been better is if the Giants were in the playoffs. But the Philllies go down, the Brewers (whom we have made more of a rivalry with recently than with the Caridnals) go down and then hopefully the Cardinals go down. People will look back and say, “Wow the Giants really beat this champion Rangers team pretty handidly!”

  2. Bozo said, on October 26, 2011 at 8:01 am

    I was kinda thinking that maybe Tony screwed up somehow and everyone else is covering for him. Maybe that’s just how I want it to play out.

  3. unca_chuck said, on October 26, 2011 at 8:31 am

    So, we’re putting the game 2 and game 5 losses squarely on Tony La Russa, supergenius?

    Works for me.

  4. twinfan1 said, on October 26, 2011 at 9:22 am

    I can’t think of one thing about LaRussa that indicates he’d cover for anyone. His vow not to throw anyone under the bus for the 7th inning hit and run “mix up” lasted all of one day.

  5. Nipper said, on October 26, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Remember animal rescue! ARF! Of course the story is bogus but so what? The Cards have to improve their RISP numbers or they lose. Another big night or two by Albert and everyone gets happy in St. Louis.

  6. unca_chuck said, on October 26, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Barry Larkin said he was given the ‘right’ to call hit-and-runs when he played in all the talk after the game. Be that as it may, Pooholes calls it and then doesn’t swing? Doh! Ozzie Guillen (who sounds a lot like Tony Montana) couldn’t keep from taking all this bullshit at face value. No matter how many times the story gets recanted and revised.

    As far as the stories coming out of the phone problems (can’t see the bullpen, the phone is tucked into the corner, can’t hear it ring, the crowd’s too loud, etc.) shouldn’t someone be paying attention to this shit? It’s the World Series for God’s sake.

    I think Tony had a senior moment, and didn’t remember who he told to get up. Twice.

  7. twinfan1 said, on October 26, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Ferchrissakes, listen to LaRussa. He makes Belichick sound like James Earl Jones. The most frequently heard word on the bullpen phone is “Huh?”…
    Lynn? Motte?…Everything Tony says sounds like “Rzepczynski”…

    • big flavor said, on October 26, 2011 at 11:53 am

      that’s a great point, one that I hadn’t considered. I noticed not being able to really understand him in a press conference when he’s miked up. Hearing him on a phone with crowd noise all around is probably impossible. But, if it were that hard to understand him then you would think it would happen a lot more often, which it doesn’t. Also, if it were difficult to hear what he was saying don’t you think Lilliquist would say something like, “Can you repeat that?” Or “Did you say Lynn? I thought we weren’t using him today.”

      • twinfan1 said, on October 26, 2011 at 12:47 pm

        Well, I was sort of joking but… it’s a good point about why Lilliquist or whoever wouldn’t just fess up to the mistake. But actually, IMO, that’s what makes it unlikely that LaRussa is covering for anyone. “I misheard” is hardly a hangable offense, I don’t see a guy not admitting to that kind of mistake- but maybe you nailed it when you said something aboout Motte being in the can- perhaps with a bucket of wings, a Pabst, and “World of Warcraft” 😉

      • unca_chuck said, on October 26, 2011 at 12:47 pm

        Again, you’d think there would be a little more due diligence on the part of the pen coach and La Russa.

        Or Tony spaced out.

        It’s game 5 of the goddamn World Series for God’s sake.



        “Get someone up.”


        You know. Lynnemotte.”

        “Lynne or Motte?”



        “You know, Rumplestilskin.”

        “OK. Gotcha.”

  8. twinfan1 said, on October 26, 2011 at 10:10 am

    And now pitching for the St. Louis Cardinals…

    • shaman138 said, on October 26, 2011 at 12:30 pm

      Unca-chuck can sing?? Who knew?

      • unca_chuck said, on October 26, 2011 at 12:51 pm

        Bored with trolling the Insider, Sham?

        Oh. That’s right. There’s nothing to troll about.

        How’s that Palmer trade looking?

        Ouch . . .

      • unca_chuck said, on October 26, 2011 at 1:43 pm

        Lo and behold, you ARE still trolling on the Insider. Good for you, skippy.

        KC skunked you guys? Ooooh. Not good.

        Missing the draft next year isn’t very good either.

        They have a whopping 2 picks (5th and 6th rounders, no less) in the 2012 draft. Day One of the draft will be resting time for the Undead Raiders. They will lose their #2 pick in 2013.

        They have to reach the AFC Championship game in order to make that a #1, so it’s safe to say that they lose their #2 pick in 2013 . . . .

  9. Bozo said, on October 26, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Brian Wilson had the number to the visiting pen and was bored, so he called it in. While cameras showed Tony looking confused, Brian was heard to say “Got heeem” at his TV.

    I’m pretty sure that’s how the whole thing went down

    • big flavor said, on October 26, 2011 at 11:55 am

      ha, I couldn’t cut and paste that POTD up any quicker….
      How was dial-a-shot? Did the bar call you?

      • Bozo said, on October 26, 2011 at 12:13 pm

        No I had to call them. If they hadn’t been busy I was going to try and conference in a bar in New Orleans as well. That would have been fun.

        A bunch of us wanted to take dial a shot online and create a drinking network. Maybe call it Faced Book. Just think Flav, nobody would ever have to drink alone. People all over the world could always find someone ready for a belt.

      • snarkk said, on October 26, 2011 at 2:15 pm

        It’s always Happy Hour somewhere in the world. But, I don’t have to make an international phone call to justify a pop on the West Coast before Happy Hour local time…

      • Bozo said, on October 26, 2011 at 6:21 pm

        It’s funny Snarkk, for some reason I can’t envision you being happy about anything, let alone an hour.

  10. snarkk said, on October 26, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    I heard on the radio some national guy says LaRussa doesn’t call the Pen; Duncan and LaRussa talk about the pitching move, then Duncan makes the phone call. Whatever. Somebody F’d up royal, and like Chuck says, this is the friggin WS. You don’t F this up NOW. If you F it up, F it up on a Tuesday night game in Houston in May. Meanwhile, MLB via Joe Torre is making noises about banning beer in clubhouses, appropos of the Red Sox debacle. Sure, ban BEER, but not steroids or HGH. BTW, how could a guy named Bud be the (former) owner of a Brewers team in “Miller” Park?. Anyway, with a beer ban, if Belt make the squad next ST and cries again, Bochy will tell him: “Ah, go grab uh, uh, a chocolate malt !”…

  11. snarkk said, on October 26, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Check this out from the Splash today. A national sports art award winner. Nice…

  12. twinfan1 said, on October 26, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    I think what is most unbelievable is that the phone fuck up occurred twice. But maybe it didn’t. Remember that the order was Murphy/Napoli/Moreland. Rzepczynski could very well have been left in because Moreland was due after Napoli. Tony then changed his mind after the Napoli hit, and then the Lynn/Motte mix up occurred. Lynn says he was never told he wouldn’t be available, BTW.
    I dunno, maybe this makes less sense than Tony’s explanations.. but it’s definitely weird when the best explanation may be that Motte was toking in the can..

  13. PawlieKokonuts said, on October 26, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    It is bizarre. As some guys on ESPN Radio were saying last night, why does LaRussa get a pass (e.g., from Aaron Boone) on this? Can you imagine how they’d all skewer anyone else, especially, say, Ron Washington?

    It’s kind of inexplicable.

    Why is it not credible that LaRussa is the sole villain?

    Hey, maybe he was SLURRING his words?

    Texas wins tonight. Big night from Josh. With contributions from Napoli, Young, and Cruz.

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on October 26, 2011 at 5:19 pm

      Texas wins tonight? Boy, I’m up-to-date. It’s postponed, I just discovered.

  14. PawlieKokonuts said, on October 26, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    I’m sure it’s been said, by many, but I do not ever recall in any game at any level a pitcher throwing an IBB and exiting. Great theater. Comedy, that is.

    Story on Roger Maris by local columnist:


  15. twinfan1 said, on October 26, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Pawlie, I posted that about Washington- there would have been demands that he be fired before Game 6. And I see no reason that Lilliquist or whoever might have made a mistake would not admit it. Again, “I misheard” is not a hangable offense. I find it more likely that LaRussa’s troops are covering for his “senior moment(s)” as someone else put it. But who knows, nothing really makes a lot of sense, and that could be the clue. Tony got confused.

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on October 26, 2011 at 5:18 pm

      This helps to clarify and pinpoint my prob w/ LaRussa: he inspires fierce loyalty, sure, but it seems to be a culture of fear. Just compare the culture of the two dugouts. Granted, sometimes it bothers me that Wash is too much one of the boys, but that’s who he is. I still think more should’ve been made of LaRussa’s snotty “if he’s sincere” snide comment to Fox regarding Washington’s spirited demonstrations. How condescending. This also makes me like Bruce Bochy even more. The more I observe him, the more I admire him, especially in his post-game pressers. He is balanced, tough, self-deprecating, smart, humble, and protective of his players. I really feel that. But, hey, I’m still basking. Arrived yesterday: black “roster” 2010 World Series celebration t-shirt.

  16. unca_chuck said, on October 26, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    I just bought a WS hat, Pawlie. I’ll never get enough. When we were in Annapolis last weekend, (old ratty Giant sweatshirt on. 2010 playoff hat as well), a guy (around 35?) stopped me and said said, hey nice hat. He was wearing the Cininnati version of the 2010 playoff hat, He said his mom was at game 7 in 62. She cried her eyes out that day. I said yeah, I was too young for that, but 5 outs in 2002 used to be my bane until last year.

    Met the mom and dad (both native San Franciscans) and they were both still basking in the glory of it all. Her excruciating recollection of that game were all the more spectacular with 2010 fresh in mind. We had a quick beer with them befiore heading back to DC. Very cool.

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on October 26, 2011 at 5:52 pm

      Chuck, great story! I love it! As Magnus has noted, I am a sucker for “hat” stories. Anywhere. Anytime. Sometimes even embarrassing. I even call Mr. Blogger up! Giants Nation.

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on October 26, 2011 at 7:11 pm

      My WS hat differs from the one worn on the field for last year’s Renteria-induced victory celebration. I liked the design of the one I bought. Last year, at Lids, they sold the few standard WS hats, the “field” ones. Almost bought one. But I got into a tiff with the thuggish Yankees-fan mgr of the store because he had a front-of-store display of “rivalries,” Well, it was stupid. The douche had an Orioles hat up there, “because I liked the colors.” Wait a minute. Do you know who just won the MF World Series? Anyway, he was a surly dude who’d just as soon kick my ass cuz I instructed him on how ignorant he is. And you wonder why i don’t drink.

      Just today my wife tells me that y’day my 14yo daughter spotted a guy in the grocery store with a 1935 [I guess] Giants hat. “Mom, didn’t you know that?” I admit to being slightly disappointed to learn she, or they, did not strike up a conversation as I surely would have.

  17. twinfan1 said, on October 26, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Posts like that one are your best, Chuck. Well, unless you’d met a goat on your trip..

  18. blade3colorado said, on October 26, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    I see that the game is canceled tonight. This is a perfect example of why the season is way too long and Selig is a complete fool even discussing more playoff games. In fact, with St. Louis getting an extra day off, they will likely start Carpenter, which perhaps, changes the entire dynamic of this World Series. Unadulterated bull shit. Per the AP article I read, “The postponement came after a travel day for the teams. This two-day gap is the longest at the World Series since 1989, when the Bay Area earthquake left the Athletics and Giants idle for 11 days.”

    Side note . . . If the Rockies were in the World Series and the game was being played here, they would have to play in about 6 inches of snow, since it snowed last night and today.

    • Flavor said, on October 26, 2011 at 8:17 pm

      great post. It is totally idiotic to be playing baseball this late into October. Last year it was 11/1 when we won it. But the weather is also dicey in early April. If you’re gonna have 162 games, there really isn’t any other way to do this.
      Go back to 154. It’ll never happen in a million years…….

      • unca_chuck said, on October 26, 2011 at 9:20 pm

        6 double headers a season. Like they used to. That’s a week anyway ….

      • unca_chuck said, on October 26, 2011 at 9:20 pm

        Adding a fucking ‘play-in’ WC spot only makes it worse.

  19. unca_chuck said, on October 26, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    Funny, when they tried to push the season back, they had snow-outs in Denver.

    Thing is, bring back one double header a month, and that shortens the season a week. Cut down on the down time between playoff series, that saves a few more days. It ain’t fricking rocket science. But Bud’s an owner at heart, so it’ll never happen.

    Last year’s WS ended 11/1/10. Fucking nuts . . .

    • blade3colorado said, on October 26, 2011 at 9:06 pm

      Agree with your suggestion Chuck, but similar to what Flav said, “It’ll never happen in a million years . . . ”

      I know I am aging myself here, but does anyone else remember that not only doubleheaders were common, but you also could see a double feature at the matinee? In fact, if you wanted to stay there all day and most of the night, you could do that. I recall seeing Goldfinger and Thunderball in a double feature at the downtown Sunnyvale theater in the mid-1960s, I watched both movies 2 times each in one sitting. Similarly, you could always go to the drive-in theater and see two movies.

      • blade3colorado said, on October 26, 2011 at 9:12 pm

        This is cracked me up . . . “I’m not even sure why they canceled it,” Cardinals outfielder Lance Berkman said. “This is better than the weather for Game 1. I guess I’m going to lie back on the couch like a big, fat pig and watch a movie.”

      • unca_chuck said, on October 26, 2011 at 9:18 pm

        Shit, all the theatres in San Mateo . . . . Fox on 3rd, the Manor, the Hillsdale, The Hyatt, the Palm (which prophetically became a porno theatre). Then there’s the Fox Burlingame, the Fox Redwood City, The Belmont, the Laurel, 2 drive-ins (Burlingame, RC). Ahhh . . . This was before they sliced and diced them all into multiplexes. Millbrae and Palo Alto/Menlo Park were too far to ride the bikes . . .

        Saw the last movie ever shown at the Fox on 3rd Ave. Play Misty For Me. At least they saved the Fox RC. All the rest are gone. Except for the Hyatt?

      • blade3colorado said, on October 26, 2011 at 9:41 pm

        “Too far to ride the bikes . . .” Damn, now you are bringing back memories Chuck. I remember when Sunnyvale opened a store called White Front on El Camino Real. Back then, this store was the Walmart of the 1960s. My brother, a couple of friends and I would hop on our Schwinn sting rays (or Huffys . . . lower class ride back in the day. Ha.) and take off on these epic journeys (ok, ok, maybe 7-10 miles). I recall once going all the way to the construction site of Highway 280 . . . This was our bike motocross/BMX track . . . lol. Amazing what fun we had back then.

  20. ewisco said, on October 26, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    154 AND some double headers. make them day night if you need the revenue but they need to shorten the season. don’t get me started on hockey or basketball. ridiculous.

  21. twinfan1 said, on October 26, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Since I’ll always remember October 13- I’ll remember that that was the day Maz beat the Yanks in game 7- now the series *starts* then. The owners are never going for a shorter season- they’re making record profits. The WS could be as the Ice Bowl and they wouldn’t give a shit. Maybe a week of postponements would make them rethink it, but I doubt it.

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