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What the Astros Move to the American League Will Mean for Baseball

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 17, 2011

It looks like this is a done deal with mlb making the sale to Crane contingent on the ‘stros moving to the American League (in 2013). If I was a fan of their team I’d be bummed because most longtime NL fans don’t like the AL game and vice versa. It usually just comes down to the designated hitter rule which I’ll get to in a moment…

With the Astros moving to the AL West we would have a balanced 15/15 in each league. And while I’m not sure why, this would apparently mean we would have inter league  games year round instead of just the customary blocks of the season that we usually get.

And I think all of this is leading to a fairly significant rule change in the next few years: the uniformity of the designated hitter rule in both leagues. First of all, it is kind of stupid that there is such a major rule difference in each league. When the AFC plays the NFC in the Super Bowl there isn’t any fundamental major differences between the way the two teams are forced to play the game during the regular season. In the NBA championship, it’s not like the Western Conference shoots from a different 3 point distance than the Eastern Conference does.

But in the World Series, one team is at a significant disadvantage in every game. Either the AL has to sit there DH player or the NL is forced to play with one, something they don’t have to do at any point in the season (besides the few interleague games they might have played in an AL park). This is stupid. Why wouldn’t you want the season’s most important games to be played under the same circumstances that the teams played in for almost 162+ games? Wouldn’t that be the best way to determine who is the better team?

And I don’t want to hear about “baseball purity.” We’ve had so many changes to the game over the last 30 years that it’s impossible to defend keeping baseball the way it once was. Simply put, the way it once was isn’t that way anymore. Besides, the DH rule has only been around since 1973, it’s not like we’ve had 100 years of these imbalanced World Series match ups…….

I really don’t care if they change to all-DH or No-DH. But the players union would never go for ditching the DH so that really leaves only one option–make it all-DH in both leagues. While I think it would take a little while to get used to, I’m certain all the NL fans would get over it soon enough. And then we would have a fair match up in the World Series, something that just makes sense……..

Below is a new off season feature–the “Retro Game of the Day”. I’m starting in ’78 and will cherry pick games from this year going forward until Spring Training. I’d put the entire box score in but I haven’t figured out how to shrink it to fit in this space so for right now you just get starting line ups and a quick blurb by me as a summary. Kinda fun to go back to the good ‘ol days and this is about as  far back as my good ‘ol days go as ’78 was the first team I remember really getting into as a young fan……

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Retro Game of the Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6/21/1978–A night game at the ‘Stick, Haliki pitched a complete game 3-0 shut out. The Giants did all their damage in the bottom of the 4th when Metzger doubled in McCovey and Clark. Dwyer scored later that inning on a Marc Hill FC. Giants ran their record to 42-23……

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  1. Nipper said, on November 17, 2011 at 6:25 am

    Adopt the DH for sure. The role of pitchers as complete game participants is as dated as the extinct dodo bird. Specialization for pitchers is complete! Making them hit is foolish. They have enough on their plate.

  2. Giant Head said, on November 17, 2011 at 7:16 am

    Fuck the DH! That aint baseball…but I agree with you that there should be a uniform policy on the DH, which is noi fucking DH.

    I hve put my Giant Head realignment plan before you all a couple of times, so won’t go into detail.

    But the way you get the union to agree to eliminating the DH in the AL is to expand baseball by two teams. Union buys off on it because you create 50 new big league players, easily absorbing the 14 and now 15 DH hitters in the AL.

    I would then have my two leagues with 16 teams each and 4 divisions in each league with 4 teams in each division. Houston can stay in the AL in my new AL SW division with Texas, KC and Mexico City as the other 3 teams.

    The plan is beautifully sound. A draft of one player from each existing 30 teams with the 15 DHs in play creates 45 of the 50 needed position players. Add in a second round of a draft where the new teams can draft one minor leaguer in each organization (top picks can be protected), and that adds in a pool of 75 players to round out enough spots to make up two major league rosters. Then there would be no bastardization DH in the game…

  3. willieD said, on November 17, 2011 at 7:25 am

    Absolutely not, Nip. Playing the field and making pitching changes depending on when and where a pitcher hits is part of the game. You are talking about 15 jobs…give the players an extra one on each roster (which would mean 30) and send this misguided idea back into oblivion once and for all, pls.
    Cool box score, Flav!…great idea, lot of cool players there that night. Foster used to hammer the Giants when he came back here; I remember watching him whack frozen ropes on a hop off the OF wall for the Reds. I dug the big red machine and Sparky, aka Captain Hook. Concepcion, who usuallly hit 8th when Bench was at C, was an idol to many latins, including Vizquel, Halicki outduels tom terrific…and we all know what an interesting affair night games at the Stick, even in June, can be.

    • zumie said, on November 17, 2011 at 8:37 am

      So….”interesting affair” is the new euphemism for “Arctic cold”? (grin)

      • willieD said, on November 17, 2011 at 8:56 am

        yeah man..failure to prepare…is preparing to freeze your ass off.

  4. willieD said, on November 17, 2011 at 7:36 am

    I also shudder to think about the trickle down affect full time 100% DH in both leagues would have on kids and LL baseball. You are telling them, no you don’t have to run or throw or catch the ball (or even bring a glove to the park) in order to play the whole game through…complete and utter FUBAR.

    • Giant Head said, on November 17, 2011 at 10:17 am

      great point

  5. xootsuit said, on November 17, 2011 at 7:48 am

    The beauty of NL baseball was one terrific facet of the Giants’ victory over the Rangers in 2010. Home field advantage for the WS probably made that possible. NL LUs have a built-in rhythm as natural and organic to the game as the length of innings or the varying effects of high sun or afternoon shadows or dusk or stadium lights on the ball. The bottom of each NL LU is a natural lull, with suprises lurking. Why give that up? Football and basketball have no analogs; they’re bad comparisons. Not only is there no good reason to follow their lead, there’s every reason to ensure that baseball retains the character that makes it different than the clock-driven winter games. Those other sports, at the professional level anyway, aim to entertain a wide swath of spectators with sheer spectacle. You don’t have to appreciate the elements of a draw play at the line of scrimmage to be able jump up with 100,000 other people cheering over a TD 80 yards away. The DH twisted baseball in that direction, to pump up offense — HRs in particular. It was something like the addition of the 3-point arc. And it was just one mistake among many mlb made at that time, including plastic grass and bad hermetically sealed domes. Those “innovations” have vanished (well, except in Tampa). Pop ups no longer bounce off the roof in Seattle or Minnesota. Roofs open to allow grass to grow even on closeable fields (generally speaking). It turned out that paving over the past wasn’t so wonderful after all.

    The DH sucks. It’ll never go away, but it shouldn’t take over in the name of uniformity. That’s no more convincing than a “purity” argument. Baseball is unique — in part because of the clear-cut difference between the AL and the NL

    • Nipper said, on November 17, 2011 at 7:54 am

      Baseball is like other sports and specialization has occurred in your lifetime whether you approved or not.

  6. Nipper said, on November 17, 2011 at 7:52 am

    The DH is practiced at every level of baseball except the National League. You guys may as well spit into the wind. Complete games by pitchers are history and this occurred without a whimper from any of you.

    • unca_chuck said, on November 17, 2011 at 10:30 am

      Oh shut up . . . so is pitching both ends of a double hearder. I’ll explain what one of those is later . . .

      Baseball will be a little bit more boring without pitchers hitting. End of story. Purist schmurist. The game loses a certain amount of strategy when you use the DH.

      • Nipper said, on November 17, 2011 at 12:52 pm

        Such rudeness! BLEEP YOU!

  7. Bozo said, on November 17, 2011 at 9:02 am

    I hate the DH rule. If you are going to adopt beer league softball rules, why not go all the way and let players smoke and drink beers while they’re on the field?
    I understand that having an odd amount of teams in each league will create a need for more Interleague games (which I also hate), that’s why they should have left it at 28 major league teams (14 in each league). I know, I know, it’s all about the money. Well fuck that, you are the Comish Bud at least pretend you care about the fans and baseball in general. Oh, but interleague play lets the fans get to see players from the other league. Well fuck that too, that’s what the AS game and WS are for. Oh yeah, free agency might have made that argument a bit weak as well.
    If you have to continue with Interleague play, then at least get rid of the false rivalries. Each NL Division team should play the same number of games with whatever AL teams they play.

    • Nipper said, on November 17, 2011 at 12:52 pm

      Bozo against something is proof positive that it has merit!

  8. stixwiz said, on November 17, 2011 at 9:05 am

    In contrast to other so-called ‘major league’ sports baseball is timeless. It is time for the A.L. to drop the stupid experiment and get on with the game.

    • Nipper said, on November 17, 2011 at 12:54 pm

      Timelessness is a Roger Angel bit of whimsy. Everything is timed in this hurry up world.

  9. Macdog said, on November 17, 2011 at 10:02 am

    An emphatic NO to the DH in the NL. EVER!

    • Nipper said, on November 17, 2011 at 12:55 pm

      YES!

  10. twinfan1 said, on November 17, 2011 at 10:16 am

    I’m against the DL but have no doubt that it will eventually be adopted by the NL.

    • Nipper said, on November 17, 2011 at 12:56 pm

      Twin has brains! The rest just have emotion.

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on November 17, 2011 at 3:45 pm

      Your uber-tough, making players play while injured!

  11. Kevin said, on November 17, 2011 at 10:32 am

    IMO, all the DH does is extend the life of a good hitter who can no longer play the field. The question is would the Giants then sign some 40 year (B.Bonds) to a huge contract just to get some offense. That is what I worry about with the Giants. It does not even have to be Bonds. Just some over weight dude who can hit only! plenty of those out there

  12. unca_chuck said, on November 17, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Baseball will be a little bit more boring without pitchers hitting. End of story. Purist schmurist. The game loses a certain amount of strategy when you use the DH.

    Never liked it, never will. If the NL adopts it, and goes to a full interleague schedule, well, it’ll lose more ground than it already has. All it does is double the amout of worthless games that teams will play.

    Oh, I know. To balance the schedule, they’ll start playing 180 games a year, and let 14 teams into the playoffs. Baseball will start in March, and go til late November

    • Nipper said, on November 17, 2011 at 12:56 pm

      Get back to Football! That’s where timing is everything.

  13. twinfan1 said, on November 17, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Well, I’m one hoping they settle the NBA situation just in time to get in a 24 game season 😉

    • Nipper said, on November 17, 2011 at 1:07 pm

      Still too many games. Just have the playoffs. The players can play poker to see who gets in.

  14. ewisco said, on November 17, 2011 at 10:45 am

    If the DH is so great, why are there so many shitty ones? I can’t remember the specifics but I distinctly remember seeing some stats on various DH’s the last couple of years and some of those guys were pathetic. Then you see someone like voggy who can handle a bat and cain isn’t the worst hitter.

    .

  15. Sierra Nevada said, on November 17, 2011 at 10:54 am

    I don’t dislike the DH rule, but since the Giants have always been the team I have followed, I am just more accustomed to the NL game. Bearing in mind that it is a just a rationalization for a preference for the way my team plays the game, my preference for NL ball is based on who I like to see under pressure. The NL game puts more of a premium on the performance of guys at the top of the order, who need to find a way to get it done each time through. It also puts more pressure on managers when making pitching changes and making lineups and lineup changes. The AL game puts more pressure on the pitcher.

    I tend to agree that the DH to the NL is probably inevitable.

    • Nipper said, on November 17, 2011 at 1:02 pm

      So is a Sierra Nevada beer!

  16. Macdog said, on November 17, 2011 at 11:04 am

    With a DH, we would have been denied the improbable, exhilarating sight of Jonathan Sanchez hitting a triple to start a 2-run rally and send the Giants on the way to the NL West title over the Padres. It’s always fun whenever your team’s pitcher gets a hit, and it’s equally infuriating watching the other team’s pitcher get a hit. And that’s part of what makes this game so great. I’ll gladly live with 4-7 WS games switching between the DH/pitcher if it means not having 162 Giants’ games despoiled by that accursed novelty.

    • twinfan1 said, on November 17, 2011 at 11:07 am

      I’d really miss seeing Timmy hit..

      • twinfan1 said, on November 17, 2011 at 11:08 am

        Darn, forgot that smiley face..

  17. zumie said, on November 17, 2011 at 11:51 am

    I’m guessing the DH is also one of the factors in AL games being longer than NL games. AL games tend to be slower-paced, and just drag on.

  18. Giant Head said, on November 17, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Thta is also a great poitn Zumie…to me, there is nothing exciting about a 4 hour 10-6 game…there is nothing better than a 2-0 Giants win in 2 hours and 30 minutes…

  19. St said, on November 17, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Yahks and Red Sox are interminable. Think they hold the record for longest 9 inning game. One reason is both teams get hitter’s who can work the count.

  20. Giant Head said, on November 17, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Looks like we are going to get stuck with the extra wild card teams..from CBS Sports:

    “Commissioner Bud Selig said owners also approved two additional wild-card teams for the postseason, meaning 10 of the 30 teams make the playoffs. Selig said he hopes the expanded playoffs can start next year, but he said the specifics are being worked out. The players association favors the move.

    “You do things for a long period of time. The addition will really help us in the long run,” Selig said.

    Owners also approved longtime San Francisco Giants executive Larry Baer to replace Bill Neukom as the team’s controlling owner.”

    Knowing these knuckleheads, being led by the Grand Poobah Knucklehead Bud Selig, they will have just the one game wild card round. So a team like the Giants could win 95 games, lose the West by juts a game and then get forced into a one game playoff with maybe a team that wins just 85 games, I am thinking Marlins here, since they have twice screwed us in the playoffs…

  21. unca_chuck said, on November 17, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Bud gets to move his team to the NL, and then force the ‘Stros to move to the AL 13 years later? Gee, nice work, Bud.

    So, ESPN was talking about a full integrated schedule in 2013? Christ, what a joke. Are they going to expand NL rosters one guy so they can carry a DH in all those AL games?

    Plus the extra playoff game? ALL the ESPN wonks say all these changes are “good for the game.” Of course that is foollowed by “everyone will get used to it.”

    Guess what? We don’t have a fucking choice. Like I said, all this does is clutter the schedule with more meaningless games. For teams like KC it’s a boon to get teams like StL and Chicago into their stadiums. Do you think teams like Pittsburgh are just dying for a chance to see the A’s and Angels?

  22. snarkk said, on November 17, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    All these moves are based on making more money. For MLB, for TV networks, the players. No surprise there…

  23. Kevin said, on November 17, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    Ah interleague play, it was fun to have the Yankess, Boston come out here, but the novelty has worn off. Get rid of Interleague play and get rid of the DH. back to the way the Babe, Lou, Mantle, Mays, and McCovey played it.

  24. Alleykat said, on November 17, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    DH sucks! !!! The First DH ever Joe the “FLAKE”Charboneau. The one year wonder boy was more famous for opening his beer with his eye socket (actually that is pretty impressive) then drinking it through a straw up his nose.

  25. snarkk said, on November 17, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    I don’t understand why the 15/15 set up now requires season long interleague play. Whatever. That does not bother me much. The NFL has two conferences, and everybody eventually plays everybody over time regardless of the conference set-up, and nobody even shrugs about that. Frankly, I don’t mind seeing other non-NL and non-divisional teams play my team once in a while. 18 games a year with the Padres and Dbacks and Rocks gets boring, IMO. I would expect Houston fans are POd, however. Instead of Cards and Cubs and Brewers, now they get a steady diet of Oakland, Seattle and the Angels? They already play the Rangers some in the rivalry series, so this is a bad deal for ‘Stros fans….

  26. unca_chuck said, on November 17, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    Well, there weren’t glaring differences between the AFL and NFL back then. Plus, the AFL was what? 11 years old when they were folded in? The AAFC was 4 years old when they got folded into the NFL.

    Baseball’s 120 years old. The NL and AL have been separate and distinct for all that time.

    Pretty soon baseball will be much like basketball. 16 out of 30 teams reach the playoffs, and the playoffs last forever. The playoffs will be played at neutral domes sites, or Bud will order all stadiums to have retractable roofs.

    Sure, I’ll still follow the game, but it’ll give the game less meaning. DH? Why not? Let’s give the players aluminum bats while we’re at it. That’ll jack up the scoring. Hey, no more exploding maple bats! But it’ll come at the cost of a few pitchers’ lives. . .

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on November 17, 2011 at 3:47 pm

      I’m with ya. Baseball’s resistance to the Zeitgeist and its stodgy old conservatism is appealing. To me.

  27. ewisco said, on November 17, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    If there’s 15 teams why not play the other 14 11 times for 154 total. than you’ve got the time for more playoff games!

  28. twinfan1 said, on November 17, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    can’t get NFL Network here. I’ve forgotten where those games are usually available on line. Any help?

    • macdog said, on November 17, 2011 at 5:16 pm

      NFL.com shows part of the Thursday games interspersed with studio commentary.

  29. PawlieKokonuts said, on November 17, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    I’m against all of it. Just because.

  30. snarkk said, on November 17, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    This is outta the blue, but you guys are all sports nutz, so you’ll have an opinion or insight. Chuck, you must have a view on this.
    In NFL and college football, is there a rule requiring the holder to spot the ball 7 yards back of the line of scrimmage? I think No. But, that’s the way it’s done since I’ve been watching football.
    I have always wondered why this is so. Is it some kind of tradition? Some magic, geometrical triangulation like 90 foot bases that makes the opposition player running in from the side just barely miss/make the block?
    Seems to me that where the kick is not long, and every inch of distance on the kick is not needed (PATs certainly and nowadays probably up to 45 yards), why not spot the ball 8 yards, not 7, back from the line of scrimmage? So, the ball will be higher in flight when it sails over the scrimmage line, and less susceptible to blocks by some 6′ 7″ dude with big paws? The split second it takes for the ball to travel from the snapper to the holder one more yard should not give the potential side blocker or even line blocker THAT much more time to get nearer the kicker and negate the extra yard and extra height of the kick…

    • ewisco said, on November 17, 2011 at 9:14 pm

      the only question here would be how much of a challenge is it for the snapper to have to vary his distance? I’m thinking that it might be hard to practice the various timings involved with different snap distances.

      but this is the pro’s so maybe that should/could be expected.

  31. zumie said, on November 17, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    Seeing that lineup card BF posted, the thing that stands out the most to me on it is Cincy’s disaster in trying to replace Tony Perez with Dan Driessen. Just didn’t work out.

  32. SanDawg said, on November 17, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    I’m guessing football coaches would fear that moving the holder back 8 yards would mess up the timing of the play. I want to say though that in the past I’ve seen real long kicks where they bring the holder in a bit closer to cut down the distance a yard or two. Might just me my imagination, but I think I’ve seen that. If true, wouldn’t that mess up the timing of the kick as well? Remember how Ray Wersching wouldn’t look at the goalpost while prepping for a kick and he would be continually tapping the shoulder of the holder like a blind man as they got oriented on the field?
    I remember being in Mazatlan in the 80’s on spring break and at the end of a drunken night kicking some bottles in a dark alley with my buddies when one of us started doing the Ray Wershing tap-tap thing before laying into one. We all that was incredibly hilarious. What a bunch of douchebags we were.

  33. Big flavor said, on November 17, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    You spent a spring break in Mexico kicking bottles around in the dark with a bunch of dudes? That is pretty douch-baggy my man, good call…
    The poll has spoken. Almost all of you are against the NL adopting the DH. Bad news: it’s coming. Newsflash: you’ll get over it by middle of May of the first year they do it…

  34. unca_chuck said, on November 17, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    Shit, I have no idea. I’d think anything closer than 7 yards would make the kick very easy to block.

    As far as timing goes, the kicker is looking at the holder so, I don’t think the timing is thrown off by the distance.

  35. SanDawg said, on November 17, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    I also must comment on the retro game. A good neighborhood buddy and his dad were huge Reds fans who used to live in Ohio. That could be tough to endure as the Reds were always kicking ass and the Giants seemed to always be 15 games back. His dad would often take us to Giants-Reds games. They had a big-ass Lincoln Continental and his dad would chain smoke all the way from Woodland to SF while we sat in the back, but we didn’t mind. Funny thing is, the Giants would always seem to win the games we went to–even when the Reds had that awesome group of hitters and would have their ace on the mound. We would go and someone like Allen Ripley would throw a great game and the Giants would win. Just like this game where Ho-Ho beat Tom Terrfic. By the way, I heard on NPR that Seaver turned 67 today.

    Trivia Time: What current NFL receiver attended the same university as Halicki?

    • macdog said, on November 17, 2011 at 7:02 pm

      Miles Austin.

      • SanDawg said, on November 17, 2011 at 7:10 pm

        Nicely done M-Dog!

      • macdog said, on November 17, 2011 at 7:59 pm

        That wasn’t fair. I work about 10 miles from the school. 🙂

    • blade3colorado said, on November 17, 2011 at 7:30 pm

      I would have beat him SD, except my Google search engine was slower than his 😉

  36. Flavor said, on November 17, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    I have no idea who the hell Miles Austin is…….

    • blade3colorado said, on November 17, 2011 at 7:39 pm

      You’re pulling my leg Mr “Flav All Knowledge Sportsman,” right? You’re no longer my hero . . .

      Miles Austin – The guy who plays wide receiver for the Cowboys.

      • Big flavor said, on November 17, 2011 at 8:19 pm

        Ha! I don’t play fantasy football and can’t name more than a handful of players on each team, at best. Tony romo and….um… That’s all I got– I don’t watch or follow the cowboys ever at any time. Hate em.

  37. SanDawg said, on November 17, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    On that same Mazatlan trip we were in a 3 or 4 story disco one night (El Cid I believe it was called) and it had this firepole where you could go from the top all the way to the bottom–or hop off on a floor in between. (You gotta love Mexico) I was with a buddy on the top floor and there was this chick with a great ass on one of the middle floors standing right next to the chute so everyone above could check her out (so we thought). She was wearing these tight leopard pants like she was straight out of a Ratt video. My friend talked me into going down the pole and pausing to give her a little pinch on the butt along the way—which I did. As I got to the bottom I sat down right away and tried to act naturally in case she followed me down—which she did. She started heading in my direction and I had 2 options: make a run for it or casually look away to see if I could trick her into thinking it wasn’t me. I went for the latter option and tried to look off the free safety. Charlie Waters wasn’t fooled and she started yelling at me in Spanish and hauled back and gave me one helluva slap to the face and stormed off.

    • Big flavor said, on November 17, 2011 at 8:14 pm

      I’m reading this on my phone while my kid does homework in her room. This post is tempting me to get up and go to the office and make this the potd.

    • EdGdsnInExile said, on November 17, 2011 at 8:23 pm

      Oh, that’s classic: ‘straight out of a Ratt video’!

  38. EdGdsnInExile said, on November 17, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Late to the show, but Flav, you’re Retro Game addition makes the Flap ia hot stove worthy of the name!

    • Big flavor said, on November 17, 2011 at 8:17 pm

      Thanks Ed. It’ll be fun for me, passes the time. Forewarn you though: I had a pretty sick obsession with the early 80’s teams so there is gonna be some ass handed to our giants, many times, this Winter…
      And then there’s always some late January Haiku to look forward to….

      • EdGdsnInExile said, on November 17, 2011 at 8:21 pm

        The trick for us will be being honest with our memories that we were at those games, heard/saw them broadcast, or they seem like one we attended. Good stuff!

        Speaking of the 80s, I saw Mike Aldrete got a coaching promotion in the Cards’ system…

  39. EdGdsnInExile said, on November 17, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    As for the DH, I just don’t understand what’s so wrong with having differences between the leagues. Why the need for uniformity? Anyway, you all made good points on strategy, pitching contests vs. lengthy softball bashers, etc. I heard Jason Stark on the radio the other day say that inter-league play will occur throughout the year, but no one has explained why. I don’t like it, again preferring the leagues differentiate themselves. How doesn’t it take away from the inherent interest of the All-Star Game and World Series? Finally, I can’t name one thing Selig has done well; chief among my complaints is his complete pandering to trends and overall lack of vision.

  40. unca chuck said, on November 17, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    How many interleague games are they talking? 81?

  41. unca chuck said, on November 17, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    18 interleague games a year to 32? More? This is seriously fucked up.

  42. EdGdsnInExile said, on November 17, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    I haven’t heard a number, Chuck. Just throughout the year. Like I said, I haven’t heard a rationale either.

  43. EdGdsnInExile said, on November 17, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Apropos of today’s Retro Game lineup, I don’t think I’ve previously mentioned that I assisted at a high school baseball clinic at RFK stadium a few years that featured MLB veterans. Can’t recall all the names now, some of whom even that day were hard to recall. But there were a couple big-time players, first among them to me George Foster. He looked to be in good shape, still had that intimidating bearing, like he could rifle one out of the park still. I’ll try to find a photo to send to Flav for posting…

  44. James said, on November 17, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    “Cincy’s disaster in trying to replace Tony Perez with Dan Driessen.”

    I’ll be pretty happy if our 1B next season has a year as good as Driessen did in 77 (or any of a half a dozen of his other years).

    • zumie said, on November 17, 2011 at 10:33 pm

      Wow, a Dan Driessen defender. There aren’t many of those around.

  45. ewisco said, on November 17, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    regarding the sandawg comment above, i didn’t get to many giant’s games as a kid. we were on the poor side and my parents weren’t into sports. but every single f ing game i did go to was a reds game. and the f ing reds killed the giants. sure i got to see mays and mcovey et al but as far as i could tell, they were getting beat like red-headed step children. I’m very glad to hear that someone had the alternate experience.

    I surely do hate me some reds and some cards. i learned to dislike the bums later.

    • James said, on November 17, 2011 at 9:56 pm

      I remember hearing Rose give some props to the Count on the post game radio interview after the Reds beat him one night at the Stick, and the acknowledgment felt like a victory. Sad. The Red who pissed me off more than any other was of a more recent vintage. Chris Sabo’s seemingly endless string of extra base hits against SF was just fucking infuriating.

  46. Nipper said, on November 17, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    And remember you Flapper farts…….the DH is coming…..coming …..coming…..and you will be pissed off!

    • zumie said, on November 17, 2011 at 11:38 pm

      6:30 AM to 11:30 PM. That’s impressive.

  47. twinfan1 said, on November 17, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    “Wow, a Dan Driessen defender. There aren’t many of those around.”
    Actually, it’s nearly impossible to imagine why anyone would select Dan Driessen to trash.

    • zumie said, on November 18, 2011 at 12:04 am

      I don’t know that I was “trashing” him. He was a mediocre player, replacing a real good player. He just kind of suffers in comparison. And the Reds began a decline during those years. Losing Don Gullet was a big loss, too. The Reds didn’t want to spend the money needed to retain all of those players, during the early years of free agency.

      • zumie said, on November 18, 2011 at 12:13 am

        Hey, I just Googled Dan Driessen. Did y’all know he was the first NL Designated Hitter?! In the ’76 World Series. Ah, it was just meant to be that I mentioned Dan Driessen on a day we were talking about the DH coming to the NL someday.

  48. willieD said, on November 18, 2011 at 6:18 am

    I dug the BRM, but at some point it had to fall apart. Replacing tony perez was going to be a tall order, along with usual suspects Morgan, bench, rose, griffey sr., and sparky.


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