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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 14, 2011

DJLoo said, on December 12, 2011 at 5:51 pm (Edit)

How about (just for the off-season) try discussing all things non-baseball? The best and worst of anything. Great bosses, shitty jobs, best girlfriends, worst dates, a memorable stranger, a crazy neighbor, a good vacuum cleaner recommendation, anything!….No one can discuss Giant baseball incessantly…..

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Retro Game of the Day! (baby)

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June 22nd, 1980. The team is going nowhere and Steve Carlton is facing Vida Blue and the Phillies would beat us 4-3 today. With Jim Wohlford batting clean up I was surprised it wasn’t worse. Seriously, take a look at the LU after Clark—that’s goddamn near 6 automatic outs in a row. Carlton threw a complete game and ran his record to 13-2.

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  1. SanDawg said, on December 14, 2011 at 7:12 am

    I knew they had some bad line-ups in those days, but Wohlford batting clean-up is worse than I ever could have imagined. I thought Joe Strain was gonna be the real deal. I always liked bad-ass black outfielders when I was a kid and Lonnie Smith certainly fit that mold.

    • willieD said, on December 14, 2011 at 7:32 am

      AKA “Skates” for his adventures in the OF.

  2. Flavor said, on December 14, 2011 at 7:27 am

    San-Dawg with an early am post. Nice!

  3. willieD said, on December 14, 2011 at 7:47 am

    Ok non baseball coaching: guy I played for in HS used to run a rebounding drill as follows. 3 guys in the lane back to basket, 3 guys in front of them, coach is shooting from about FT line, everyone goes for the ball. You rebound, you get back in line. Kicker was, he had these pair of ladies undies that were white with red hearts and huge, and if you were the one stuck on d the most without a board, you wore those over your shorts for the whole rest of practice.
    Oh man, talk about motivational tool…guys would kill each other over a loose ball. This being HS, guys would f with you for days after wards, and coach would yuk it up right along with them, and give little nods and reminders to those who were on borderline.
    He used to run the standard defensive slide drill, where he is front of the team and pointing the direction you move your feet on his whistle, keeping front hand above shoulder. Years later when I started coaching, I asked him how long you did this for…30 seconds, minute.? He shrugged his shoulders and said, “til it hurts.”

  4. James said, on December 14, 2011 at 7:58 am

    My brother and I had bleacher seats at this game. Paintsville’s Johnnie Lee hit a drive off of Carlton caught at the 365 sign. Pretty thrilling stuff.

    • Flavor said, on December 14, 2011 at 8:39 am

      that’s awesome. I should bring back the “were you there/not there” poll……

  5. willieD said, on December 14, 2011 at 8:25 am

    I’m going to take James’ side in the discussion last night on Beltran. Yes, he struggled in august when SF needed him (or anyone) to get it going, his D was sub par, and he did get hurt and miss significant time. I didn’t get the feel others did that he was coasting or didn’t care or was somehow an indifferent clubhouse cancer type.
    But there is nothing deceptive about hitting .323—he lit up september, with power and OB, when SF was trying to climb back in it, and over all had .960 OPS. bottom line, there isn’t one OF on entire roster likely to do near that, just like 2011. Look at the OF we have, and tell me one of them is a better hitter than Beltran. Stick him in middle of LU with Pablo and Posey. and with SF pitching they challenge any team in this league or any other.

  6. Sarge said, on December 14, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Worst date, my wife and I were on our first wedding anniversary. We were broke kids, (Got married @20) so we decided to do a tourist day at fisherman’s wharf /pier 39 and she was about 3 months pregnant. She puked on every other corner. We had finally had enough of the puking and decided to head home. We hailed a cab and got about three blocks before the tranny fell out of the cab. While waiting for another cab the clouds opened up and we got drenched in a downpour. It was awesome.

    • Sarge said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:12 am

      And by tranny I mean transmission.

      • Nipper said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:19 am

        Duh!

      • twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:20 am

        The story was really getting interesting when the tranny fell out.

  7. twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:15 am

    I’ve tried Loo’s idea in B. Maybe it’s too much trouble to go there, maybe it’s because I’m the host, maybe my topics are boring- but it’s never worked..
    As to Beltran, it can’t be denied that his performance in August was dreadful and helped cost the pennant. As to “anyone” gettting it going, Pablo had a good month in August, some help from the three hitter would have been nice ( and they never pitched around Beltran). I’ve still been for his return but it’s fiction to pretend he didn’t fail when most needed. As to James’ remark about reversing his month’s production and we’d still find fault. No shit, his August was unacceptable whatever the month. He did show he can hit here, though, and re-signing made sense if only to get some return on the trade.

    • Nipper said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:21 am

      Down with expensive older ballplayers! BOO HISS!

    • James said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:27 am

      Beltran’s August was a relatively brief stretch where he hit a slump. That’s pretty normal, even in an excellent season. Hey, if Pablo hadn’t had that shitty, injury plagued June, the Giants would have won it!

      • twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:37 am

        They traded their best pitching prospect for a Big Dog to bark for *two* months. You can go back and blame all the hitters, obviously, had they performed as expected, they wouldn’t have needed Beltran. Without the 20% of missed time due to injury by the OD line up they wouldn’t have needed him, either. But they did- expectations are big for guns for hire. That’s that’s the way it is. He failed.

      • James said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:12 pm

        If Beltran had put up an 875 OPS in each of August and September, would the Giants have been better off? Of course not. Was your expectation that he raise his season OPS by 50 points with the Giants (he was at 904 for the Mets) in order for the trade to successful? As it is, he hit better for the Giants than he did for the Mets. He did not fail.

    • zumie said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:31 am

      No offence, TF, but the last time I posted in Room B, I got my face torn off. The Penn St. topic got pretty rough in Room B.

      • twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:39 am

        I said it might be me. I do know I stood up for our rule of law, a lot of folks didn’t like that.

  8. Sarge said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Well some might have thought a transvestite fell out of the cab. That may have been a more interesting story to you guys if that was the case.

    • Sarge said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:24 am

      Or a transsexual

  9. twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:27 am

    She she fall or was she pushed? Who didn’t want her? There are many questions.

    • Sarge said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:36 am

      It was colonel mustard in the study with the candlestick.

  10. zumie said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:36 am

    My point about Beltran was that GMs might think he’s not so clutch.

    • James said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:18 pm

      Yes, the old problem of losing your “clutchiness” from one season or one month to the next.

  11. Flavor said, on December 14, 2011 at 10:05 am

    I thought Room B had some rule about not referencing another posters post, or something like that. What happened to that?

    • twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 10:15 am

      The rule was not to attack another poster.Zumie was not attacked.

      • twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 10:17 am

        The rough stuff was here, not on “B”.

  12. unca_chuck said, on December 14, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Yeah, the GMs out there must be thinking that Beltran was the piece that was supposed to drive the Giants to the playoffs. When it didn’t happen, the blame (rightly) falls to him. He’s 34, fair to poor defensively, and will likely end up in the AL. Which means Boston or NY. 5 year deal? Probably not, but I ain’t the one throwing the money around. I don’t think ANY NL team would even come close to that kind of deal.

  13. unca_chuck said, on December 14, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Is the Sandusky/Room B thread back for any particluar reason?

    • twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 10:14 am

      To show that Zumie misremembers, he was not attacked. Snarkk had some inapproprite remarks removed.

      • snarkk said, on December 14, 2011 at 12:07 pm

        Bullshit. YOU thought they were inappropriate, so folks that didn’t see them before you erased them couldn’t decide for themselves. They were not inappropriate whatsoever. That’s why I’ll not participate in your Room B little fiefdom, and likely why others also choose not to…

      • twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 12:45 pm

        Well, you should be punished for not understanding the law, if nothing else. An employer may not punish an employee for legal activities, including speech, conducted outside the workplace …

      • snarkk said, on December 14, 2011 at 1:40 pm

        You’ve unilaterally removed other of my comments there as well, for being “inappropriate”, in your opinion. Meaning it conflicts with yours, including your learned legal opinions. It’s total crap to tell others that a comment was removed as inappropriate without letting others see it and decide that for themselves. Since those are the ground rules in your egomaniacal little charade of a Room B, I choose not to participate any longer in it. I remember photos of an interesting tailpipe and a dog being cut open for research in your “room”. Quite interesting what you feel is “appropriate”, and what is not…

      • twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 2:26 pm

        Actually, it was not discernable as being a dog unless one were experienced in dissecting dogs. Do attorneys do that in their work ?
        Anyway, that was Room B many incarnations ago. I’ve now tried to have a page free from the kind of inciteful remarks that were removed. As we speak, some pleasant comments about baseball memories are being exchanged.

  14. unca_chuck said, on December 14, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Dennis Littlejohn and Joe Strain . . . Dear God.

    Jim Wohlford doesn’t even ring any bells, and he was claen-up?

  15. Bozo said, on December 14, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Luke Scott was non-tendered, would anyone take a flyer on that guy? I’m still not sold on Nate and whatever INF has an OF glove as the everyday RF/LF.

  16. zumie said, on December 14, 2011 at 10:26 am

    I just re-read the Room B posts. I guess I was under the wrong assumption about Room B. I thought Room B was a non-debate room. You just post, and no one really challenges it, even with sarcasm.

    • twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 10:36 am

      You just said you got your head torn off. That is patently untrue. The rule for “B” is actually explained on the page.
      “If you’re going to participate in Room B discussions, you’re not to post remarks intended to incite others. I very clearly explained that to all.”

      • zumie said, on December 14, 2011 at 10:56 am

        I didn’t like the sarcasm. Sarcasm, in general, is a rhetorical device in which someone’s point is reframed in a way to make the person feel like an idiot. I misunderstood Room B. I thought it was a “safe zone” from all that.

    • twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 10:58 am

      If it was as you thought, you violated the rule by sarcastically responding to my post about Franco Harris being fired.

      • zumie said, on December 14, 2011 at 11:03 am

        Really? Can I see my quote again? I’m curious to see what I said. (I can’t remember.)

      • twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 11:11 am

        The post has now been permantly deleted, sorry. I do remember that you inferred that because he worked in a casino, it’s was less than a real job. But anyway, since I can’t pull it up anymore, you can falsely claim that I “tore your head off”..

      • zumie said, on December 14, 2011 at 11:21 am

        I sort of vaguely remember my point being that he had only worked there a couple of months, so like a lot of jobs, still in a “probationary stage,” where a person can be let go quite easily. And since his job was totally public relations, he was stepping into a controversy that could affect his job status.

  17. twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 10:26 am

    I’ve given Z enough time to review the thread. I’m taking it back down, he was never attacked there.

  18. twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 10:41 am

    It’s back down- there was no rough stuff. Certainly almost ladie’s tea party compared to most discusson on this volatile subject.

  19. zumie said, on December 14, 2011 at 11:25 am

    “tore your head off”..

    I said just the face, not the whole head. (grin)
    Maybe I was a little thin-skinned that day. I like Room B when it stays away from controversy. Like when we share baseball memories and things like that.

  20. twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Me too. I wish I’d never posted about the Penn State situation. It’s not as if there wasn’t enought discussion here.

  21. twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Zumie, you asked for it ! Link to the right for your single greatest baseball memory..

  22. snarkk said, on December 14, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Yeah, BF, that 1980 squad sucked and had lots of automatic outs.
    And, a case can be made that the 1980 squad paired with the 2011 pitching staff might have beaten the Dbacks for the 2011 division win…

    1980 Giants vs. 2011 Giants

    OPS .651 vs. .671
    Runs 573 vs. 570
    SLG 342 vs. .368
    BA .244 vs. .242
    OBP .308 vs. .303
    Walks 509 vs. 448
    SB 100 vs. 85
    Nastu pitched games 6 vs. 0

    • twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 1:06 pm

      Yes, a poor case could be made.

  23. DJLoo said, on December 14, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    Lousy as they were, the 1980 Giants were actually still in it well into August I think. Is Wohlford hitting clean-up that much worse than Fontenot hitting third?

    • Flavor said, on December 14, 2011 at 2:23 pm

      yes.

      • twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 2:31 pm

        Well, why didn’t Bristol put Evans or Clark there? They were in the LU.

      • Flavor said, on December 14, 2011 at 3:00 pm

        Dunno. His OPS in 1980 was .692. Clark’s was .900. Evans was close to .800. maybe Bristol was just a fucking dumbass, who knows.

  24. Kevin said, on December 14, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    For non-Baseball, my sons Basketball coach in elementary school use to ref tournament games too. and if any of you have ever been to a 5th, or 6th grade basketball game you know parents can be brutal to the refs!! plus when they are that age almost every play has a foul, walk, or whatever in it. Well anyway one parent was giving the ref crap about a missed call and the ref stops and looks at him and says “I missed that call?” and the guy says yes and the ref looks at him and says yeah, I am probably going to miss a few more.

  25. zumie said, on December 14, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Interesting documentary on one of the ESPN channels about Todd Marinovich.

    • blade3colorado said, on December 14, 2011 at 3:29 pm

      Colin Cowherd interviewed him today on the radio . . . I want to see this documentary. Marinovich had way too many unreasonable expectations placed upon him. Couple that with an overbearing father, it’s no wonder that he turned to drugs. He has completely turned his life around, has a wonderful wife and children, and is an accomplished artist. Only wish him the best going forward.

    • Nipper said, on December 14, 2011 at 5:14 pm

      Yeah that’s when TV can deliver the goods. Good effort.

    • SanDawg said, on December 14, 2011 at 5:15 pm

      I saw that the other night and really enjoyed it. Kind of goes along with an article in Esquire on him that someone posted the link for here? or maybe one of my friends sent me. Good stuff both. If you watch the documentary, keep an eye out for his brother’s ridiculous ‘stache.
      Zumie—I literally damn near spit out my Arnold Palmer at work when I read your “tore my face off” line. For some reason that really cracked me up and, even though I missed the epic Room B exchange it was tied to, I love that it had something to do with Franco Harris working as a casino greeter.
      I also appreciated your post referencing Manny Trillo shoving an outfielder on the field and want to suggest the book “Zim” to you about the life of Don Zimmer in baseball.

      • zumie said, on December 14, 2011 at 5:24 pm

        I’ll look for that book. I’m making a trip to the library next week.

  26. PawlieKokonuts said, on December 14, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    Am I the only baseball fan of this stripe? When I was 10-11 years old, in the off-season probably the first sports news I checked for in the daily newspaper, The Stamford Advocate, delivered by a paperboy in the afternoon, was the agate showing transactions. If there was an actual story of a trade, even better. Winter meetings in December? Big, tense excitement.

    My scrapbook has pasted-in Sporting News articles on the Giants landing pitcher Jack Sanford.

    • snarkk said, on December 14, 2011 at 5:04 pm

      Pawlie, ya shoulda’ been a GM…

    • Nipper said, on December 14, 2011 at 5:13 pm

      Sanford pitched a gem in the 62 Series if my memory isn’t completely shot.

    • SanDawg said, on December 14, 2011 at 5:26 pm

      When I was that age, and even into my high school years I’d also check the transactions often. During the season I would study the box score from every game to see who hit home runs and how many earned runs each pitcher had given up in how many innings. In high school my buddy and I took both Physics and Chemistry together and were both completely lost in both classes. During lectures we’d play a game where one guy would pick a letter of the alphabet and we’d go back and forth listing current and future players with last names that ended with that letter. “Billy Williams” “Denny Walling” “Harry Walker” “Leon Wagner.” We’d go back and forth until someone was stumped and the other guy “won” that letter. I would take a test in that class and get like 17 out of 100. The teacher would have me write me write summaries of “Scientific American” for extra credit and would float me a C in the class. I’m playing golf in Mexico with this same buddy after Christmas. Ironically, we’re now both high school teachers.

      • PawlieKokonuts said, on December 14, 2011 at 5:44 pm

        Dawg,
        If that ain’t the POTD, what is? Your post reads like a mini-Jean Shepherd story. (Loo, did you listen to him on WOR the way my brother and I did: transistor radios hidden in our beds?) I don’t play golf, but now I see what MagnusFlavoris means about his round of golf with you. Great stuff. You somehow reminded me: in fifth and sixth grade sometimes we’d get free time to draw or otherwise screw around: I’d take my pencil on a big piece of white paper and design a baseball stadium. I did not become an architect (well, yes, a verbal architect), but I was a HS teacher for five years. (Twin, I posted this stuff here ’cause I’m too abysmally lazy to click over at Room B.)

  27. zumie said, on December 14, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Speaking of Lonnie Smith, is he the one that is called a goat by some for a so-called baserunning mistake, playing for the Atlanta Braves in the World Series against Minnesota. Got deked by an infielder, lost where the ball was, didn’t get to third, and didn’t score. That was the game the Twins won 1-0 in extra-innings. The Jack Morris/John Schmoltz duel?

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on December 14, 2011 at 5:50 pm

      I think you are right. That was truly one of the great WS games (1991?). Morris went the distance. We’ll likely never see that again sort of thing happen again. And, no, I have not bought the Playboy issue. THAT one. [ADHD kicked in for a sec.]

  28. SanDawg said, on December 14, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Yep, that’s him. He had his flaws, but he could spray line drives all over the place.

  29. PawlieKokonuts said, on December 14, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    MLBTradeRumors just tweeted Giants nearing deal with El Presidente. Why, pray tell? (He has his ring and his thanks from us.)

  30. DJLoo said, on December 14, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    I think you mean the Smoltz/Schmorris duel…

  31. DJLoo said, on December 14, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Someone just told me Mota’s coming back..

    • macdog said, on December 14, 2011 at 6:29 pm

      1Y/$1M.

      • DJLoo said, on December 14, 2011 at 6:34 pm

        He called you, too?

  32. twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    If Eli makes the team I’m diving off Denny’s ledge..

  33. twinfan1 said, on December 14, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    On second thought, they need him to pinch run for Buster on occasion..

  34. PawlieKokonuts said, on December 14, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Tweet @SFGiantsFans Bochy gets a text every week of Huff with his shirt off. Huff wants Bochy to know how much he’s working out this offseason.

    • blade3colorado said, on December 14, 2011 at 7:49 pm

      I’ll worry when he starts sending a pic of him taking his pants off.

      • Big flavor said, on December 14, 2011 at 7:53 pm

        Or take a “Greg odom” pic and send that too him.

  35. Big flavor said, on December 14, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    San dawg, the above is absolutely potd when I get to it later. I did something non-Giants related tonight– my kid has been begging me to watch the Sound of Music for a month (I’ve never seen it, she watched it with her grandma last Summer and she’s been singing the songs ever since). Anyway, we watched it. Long ass movie. I can hear her down the hallway in the shower bellowing one of the tunes out right now. I wish she liked baseball. She’s actually got an outstanding voice….Loo, is this what I’m supposed to do instead of talk about giants baseball incessantly??? 🙂

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on December 14, 2011 at 8:01 pm

      I took my girlfriend to see The Sound of Music in a movie theater in Manhattan. Was I in HS or college? This was when it was a big deal to go to an old-fashioned, ornate movie theater . . . all the better in The City. Ushers with white gloves and flashlights. Ticket bought from a box office. We took a train. I was nervous as heck. I took this same gal to the prom. Many years later, I learned she was a lesbian. It makes for a funny gag line, but it’s not really funny. How would I have known at that age? I was a seminarian! I saw her about 10 years ago. She’s fine. Me too. Is that non-baseball enough? “The hills are alive . . . “

  36. PawlieKokonuts said, on December 14, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    G’night, girls.

    • Big flavor said, on December 14, 2011 at 8:09 pm

      G’night Paige. I mean, pawlie. Stupid auto-correct…:)

  37. SanDawg said, on December 14, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    The Sound of Music kicks ass. I watched it with my kids a few years ago and we were all entertained. My oldest found the guitar chords to Edelweiss somewhere and to this day can bust out a nice little version on his acoustic.

    • zumie said, on December 14, 2011 at 8:57 pm

      I’ll say boldly and without irony that I like The Sound of Music. And Edelweiss is indeed a beautiful song. I liked the song even before I knew what the heck it was about. The Austrian national flower or something like that.

  38. snarkk said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    Years ago, when we lived on the East Coast, I took my girlfriend and my mother up to New England for a driving Fall Foliage trip (yes, it was ok). I booked us into the Sound of Music local theater show in Stowe, Vermont, home of the Von Trapp Family resort. It was in “downtown” Stowe, and the show was quite good, for a regional theater kind of thing. We enjoyed it immensely. And, I forget where it was, but we attended a Fall foliage chicken and dumplings group dinner thing in a small town in Vermont given by a local church — a lot of churches in small towns in New England do this in the fall for fund raising — and it was great. My mother enjoyed it, and so did we. We even were dragging our German Shepherd along on the trip — she had a great time, too. Not many things much better than Fall foliage time in New England…

  39. DJLoo said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    The first movie I ever saw in a theatre was West Side Story. My mother didn’t even know what it was about – she just took me there for the air conditioning. Big mistake – I came out of there a different kid. That Christmas I asked Santa for switchblade.

    • Nipper said, on December 14, 2011 at 11:05 pm

      Just think if your mother was like Ma Barker.

  40. James said, on December 14, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    The other day, on Netflix I saw “Bloody Mama” for the first time in many years. It has a couple of singalongs led by Shelley Winters, but it also features a performance by Robert DeNiro that he self-plagiarized a couple years later in “Bang the Drum Slowly.”


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