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Merry Christmas, Flapper Nation!

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 25, 2011

This isn’t a very Christmasy post, but it’s better than the one I had planned on writing. No polls, none of that stuff. Let me be clear about something: When I have banned someone, it wasn’t because I’m was on some power trip. I did it to protect the integrity of the blog. Having a different opinion is one thing, but when you cross the line and become a *sh!t disturber* there is no place for you at The Flap (or in The Nation πŸ™‚ )

I think I do a pretty good job of monitoring this place….

I’m not on a power trip…..

And I’m not banning anyone today. Look, the sh!t disturbers can get under my skin the same way they get under yours. I WILL do what Twin taught me to do: If I see a post that I think is a designed sh!t disturbing post from a known sh!t disturber, I will simply edit the message to something that makes you look stupid. So go ahead and take your time crafting the perfect sh!t disturbing message—I will ruin it with something clever of my own…..

Having different opinions is fine. Arguing with someone is fine. Even putting someone down or using curse words directed at someone, it’s ok if it’s in moderation……

But saying the same goddamn thing every goddamn day and getting the same goddamn reaction from your fellow bloggers, is something I won’t tolerate here at The Flap from today until I shut this bad boy down some time next Winter. Post 1000 will be almost cathartic for me, I think……

I hope you guys have a good day. Find something or someone to appreciate. I’ve been up pretty much all night keeping the dream alive. I am fairly certain this is the last Christmas I get with my little girl believing in Santa. She already figured out the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy earlier this year, mostly due to my carelessness, and she has been sketching hard on Santa. Her plan was to stay up all night and see if he did, in fact, come down the chimney. I did a lot of work to keep the legacy of the jolly fellow in tact. I think he got more sleep than I did πŸ™‚ But she still believes, at least for today, so my work here is done. And at the end of THIS day, that is the only thing that matters to me and the best present I could get. Yes, shockingly, even better than The Forecaster. πŸ™‚

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  1. Nipper said, on December 25, 2011 at 7:50 am

    Merry Christmas everyone! HO HO HO! And Santa doesn’t do chimneys anymore. 350 lbs doesn’t slid down them too good. HO HO HO! Anyway most of the parents are doing my work for me. HO HO HO!

  2. blade3colorado said, on December 25, 2011 at 8:16 am

    Merry Christmas Flappers . . . I haven’t been around too much in the last few weeks. I visited the SF bay area for a family pre-Christmas get together; and, am now preparing for my 2 month plus backpack trip in Panama, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Honduras, and possibly, Columbia in early January. I just purchased my first pc tablet (lighter than my MacPro laptop), so I’ll still be in contact here. Might forward some pictures of Latin Americans sporting Giants swag for Flav to post . . . Bozo, if you’re in South Carolina, then they have to be down in Central South America, right?

    Flav, again, thank you for the blog. Quite cool that Katie still believes in Santa Claus. In many ways, there are parallels to how WE BELIEVE IN THE GIANTS. Now, that is cool! πŸ™‚

    I guess after 1000 posts, it will be cathartic for you . . . and, perhaps, us too. Go Santa and Go Giants!

    • Flavor said, on December 25, 2011 at 8:18 am

      absolutely, definitely send some pics from your trip. And have fun!

    • Bozo said, on December 25, 2011 at 1:51 pm

      Blade, I’m in the North Eastern part of North Carolina, an area called the Outer Banks.
      Years ago, when I was fifty and single I started thinking about Costa Rica as a place to retire (it’s pretty inexpensive). So I started reading about ex pats who were doing just that. This one article asked a retiree what was the worse thing that happens to folks moving there and he said “Well, if they don’t have a hobby some have drank themselves to death”. Reading on, they talked about it not being uncommon for local woman hooking up with guys twice their age. So I thought to myself “The worse thing that could happen to me is drink myself to death with 25 YO Costa Rican lady” This became plan A for awhile.
      Have a safe trip man.

  3. Alleykat said, on December 25, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Merry Christmas!!!!!!!!To all Flappers,Flapperettes,Snarkkettes.Corvettes,Rockettts,Nipperettes,Cigarettes,Bladettes,
    Flavorettes,Twinette,Renoettes,Chuckyettes,Chickalettes,Chipowerettes,Wilcojoettes,Paulfrom Asiaettes,Delmarettes,Bbqbrikkets,Looettes,Giantheadettes,Tedspiettes,DicKy Betts,Zumieettes,Feratheadettes…From Alley and his band of Kate.ni uttes

  4. dirtnrocksnreno said, on December 25, 2011 at 8:45 am

    Funny, the wife and I were wrapping Santa’s gifts last night and wondering how long our little one would still believe. I figure reality will slap them in the face for the rest of their life and hope we’re able to make Santa last as long as you have Flavor. Good on you for keeping it going.

    The Flap nearing and end? I realize you probably put up with more crap than I can realize on the back end and developing daily posts is tough but I really enjoy this place and will miss it when the expiration date arrives. Shit, now I’m depressed. Nothing some home brewed stout can’t fix.

    Merry Christmas. I wish all of you a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year.

  5. willieD said, on December 25, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Interesting reports about A’s finally getting the OK to go to Jose. Heard Dolich talking with Ted Robinson the other night, and he said Giants might get a big payoff from the A’s to stop bitching about it. So, bottom line, factor in stadium costs just to get it built, A’s still have to fork out big bucks to make this happen. Does that mean Beane continues to dump off anybody making over minimum wage? Anyone you’d like to have from over there (besides Weeks)?

  6. twinfan1 said, on December 25, 2011 at 9:35 am

    As to the POTD, I haven’t met Denny, we’ve only talked. Edd, I didn’t realize I was I up for banning (again) and I’m glad to see Flavor’s not banning Denny, despite our differences. Anyway, I hope all of you have pleasant holidays, I’ll be napping off and on most of the day so I can catch some sports later. Mickey and Zeke seem to have no problem with that.

    • Flavor said, on December 25, 2011 at 10:08 am

      nobody’s getting banned. I will handle sh!t disturbers the same way you did when Hawk snuck his way back in here for an hour……

      • twinfan1 said, on December 25, 2011 at 10:26 am

        Clipping wings can be a risky procedure πŸ˜‰

  7. willieD said, on December 25, 2011 at 11:10 am

    might not see a better performance the entire year than the one from rajon rondo today. He’s the anti-Melo (and about everyone else in the league).

    • Flavor said, on December 25, 2011 at 11:12 am

      contrast that with Tyson Chandler He’s gotten 1 shot off and has 2 rebounds. Shit, he should have 10 rebounds just holding his hands in the air like he just don’t care……

    • blade3colorado said, on December 25, 2011 at 11:54 am

      willieD, what’s your impression of the King’s Jimmer Fredette? Do you think he is athletic enough to play point guard in the NBA or is he their version of Tim Tebow?

      • willieD said, on December 25, 2011 at 7:56 pm

        Well, the Kings have Tyreke Evans at point, plus Johnny salmons as a scoring small forward, plus DeMarcus Cousins…all these guys want the ball, and only T is going to give it up, most often to his buddies. fredette has to be able to make the most of his opps and learn to work without the ball. He can shoot and has enough moves to get himself open for a pull up J too.
        But forget about going inside, and as a rook he’ll get zero calls at either end. If he is smart enough, he’ll figure out what he has to do to be effective enough to stay on the floor…but I think it will be a learning exp at this level of speed and athleticism for him. We’ll see.

  8. snarkk said, on December 25, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Zum Flappers — Frohe Weihnachten und ein gluckliches, neues Jahr!

    Und naturlich, Auf Geht’s Giants in 2012!!!…

  9. Bozo said, on December 25, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Flav, what do you me there is no Santa? Great story about Katie, I hope you can keep it for another year or two..
    Merry Christmas to all and another World Champion Giant’s trophy of a New Year.

    • Bozo said, on December 25, 2011 at 2:03 pm

      that should read – keep it ‘going’ for another year or two.

      • blade3colorado said, on December 25, 2011 at 2:18 pm

        Bozo, apologize for mistaking S for N Carolina (I knew where you live, but I must have been remembering my fond memories of vacationing in Charleston, S. Carolina a few years ago).

        Laughed about what you said about Plan A . . . THAT’S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I AM GOING THERE DUDE! πŸ˜‰

        Seriously though, I am getting a bit tired of American women (e.g., obsession with their cell phones, material things . . . even shoes). Anywho, I am open minded to the possibilities you touched on.

        Feliz Navidad y Feliz AΓ±o Nuevo para ti y los tuyos.

  10. TedSpe said, on December 25, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Merry Christmas, Flappers !!

  11. stixwiz said, on December 25, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Joyeaux Noel et un Bon Anee’ pour mes Amis de le Flap. God Jul og Nyt Aar, ogsa. Okay, so we got now German, Spanish, French and Norwegian greetings of the day and season and, oh ya, Bon Voyage Aeriel for Blade and “Muchos Garcias” as some southeast Texans sometimes say in describing south Texas to Flav for his long-running labor of love in keeping this happening happening. No white Christmas up here in the far flung fringes of Minnesota’s Northwoods, but i guess they got em around Denver and Santa Fe. Go figure.

    Looking forward to a Giant 2012, making a matched set with 2010. Already champing at the bit to salute the Champs of the new year.

  12. paulinasia said, on December 25, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    I wished ya’ll Flappers a merry Christmas a couple of days ago when it was Christmas eve morning here but still just a “normal” evening on the 23rd for you all, but I’ll say it again, since it’s still Christmas for you. Safe travels to all during this holiday time (I’m heading to Cambodia for 10 days during lunar new year, 3 weeks from now) (where it’s also true that the local lovelies will be happy to share a cup of kindness, etc. with oldsters like myself). Hope health and happiness join all of you as we turn another calendar page next weekend.

  13. Del Mar Dennis said, on December 25, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    I just got a glimpse of Flap HQ and its wall. Here’s the Flap’s Top 10 Most Wanted Sh!t Disturber’s List:

    1. Dennis
    2. Denny
    3. Den
    4. Del
    5. Del Mar
    6. Del Mar Dennis
    7. That Doomer
    8. That Dunderhead
    9. That Asshole
    10. That Nattering Nabob of Negativism

    Thanks for not playing the role of Ebenezer Scrooge today. I really do appreciate it. Both my therapist and I thank you. Come to think of it, you couldn’t be Scrooge. I gave that designation to TF last year. I think he’s still pissed. πŸ˜€

    • Bozo said, on December 25, 2011 at 6:00 pm

      DMD, WTF? No Fuck you Bozo for the holidays? Damn dude, I miss that. Pretty sad huh?
      Cheers man.

      • Del Mar Dennis said, on December 25, 2011 at 6:41 pm

        As much as I’d love to expel a “FUCK YOU, BOZO!” from the depths of my lungs, even I can’t do that on Christmas. And that’s with people telling me that I have a heart that’s “two sizes two small.” πŸ˜€ I’ll get’cha next time.

        Merry Christmas.

      • unca_chuck said, on December 25, 2011 at 7:45 pm

        That was brain, not heart . . .

        hyuk.

        Merry Christmas guys (and Ferretthead?). Where’s she been?

    • philippinefan said, on December 26, 2011 at 2:38 am

      Dang I was hoping to cast a vote in favor of keeping the chief shit disturber around here. But no luck. Flav Dennis I only know through Chuck’s 49ers Forever and a fantasy football league we’re in. And we have a mutual friend in ‘Berger’.He’s a loyal guy, even to his own opinions (some of which are seriously waxed!) so I’m glad you have reconsidered banning my buddy. I know he cares about you and your relationship with him, your blog and the opportunity to participate here in the community you all have created. Same with Chuck’s blog. Dennis is a good man I believe from my experience.

      We 49er fans have every reason to be gracious and forgiving as the Giants fans recently did too. I’m grateful for your decision and believe Denny when he says above he is too.

      Blessings of the season to you

    • Del Mar Do or Die said, on December 26, 2011 at 9:03 am

      You forgot my favorite: horse hockey D

  14. Berger said, on December 26, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Happy December 26th to all!

  15. Berger said, on December 26, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Is Brett Pill going to get any love at 1st base this year? I’d go with him until he proves he isn’t the guy.

  16. twinfan1 said, on December 26, 2011 at 10:19 am

    He’s #3 on the depth chart.

  17. Berger said, on December 26, 2011 at 10:40 am

    TF- I’d put him #1. Of course that won’t happen with Huff getting about 11 million this year and Belt being the darling. But with the giants when does being able to hit have anything to do with starting?

  18. twinfan1 said, on December 26, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    He’s number three becuse he’s the third best option.

    • Berger said, on December 26, 2011 at 1:04 pm

      Not in my opinion. I do think he’ll win the position by August.

      • twinfan1 said, on December 26, 2011 at 1:28 pm

        I’m sure you’re right.

      • Berger said, on December 26, 2011 at 1:57 pm

        Please excuse me on this one, I’m biased. I hit off of his father in Pony/Colt league. Mike Pill, his dad, was the hardest thrower in the league. I had a conversation one day with Brett and we reminisced about Maverick Field in West Covina, CA where we both played.

      • twinfan1 said, on December 26, 2011 at 2:26 pm

        They’re talking like they’ll keep just the three starting OFers , giving Huff, Belt, and Pill spots. Bochy has been extremely high on Pill.

      • Berger said, on December 26, 2011 at 2:43 pm

        Huff and Belt can both play the outfield. Who do you think the 3 OFs would be? Pagan, Cabrerra and Nate?

      • twinfan1 said, on December 26, 2011 at 5:00 pm

        That seems to be the plan.

  19. zumie said, on December 26, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    The Warriors have a long way to go. The defense seemed a bit improved, but they still give up too many lay-ups. Miami looks like they’re on a mission to get it done this season. The NBA network had an ’87 playoff game on between the Lakers and Sonics. Watching Abdul-Jabbar make sky-hooks was a lot of fun. And it’s easy to forget how quick Magic Johnson was in his prime. We tend to remember the heavier, slower Magic of the end of his career, but he was lean and quick in his prime years.

  20. zumie said, on December 26, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    I thought Mullen did real well broadcasting. He and Van Gundy had good chemistry. Mullen seemed willing to say harsh truths.

  21. twinfan1 said, on December 26, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    Mark Jackson came in a lot like Hue did… big talk. Keith Smart got screwed in my opinion..

  22. unca chuck said, on December 26, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Funny what a talking head job can get you . . .

    • twinfan1 said, on December 26, 2011 at 4:16 pm

      Not being sarcastic- I know that must be funny, I just don’t get it it.

      • unca chuck said, on December 26, 2011 at 8:30 pm

        Just an observation, Mike.

      • unca chuck said, on December 26, 2011 at 8:44 pm

        My point is, a guy like Keith Smart can toil as an assistant coach for14 years, and bide his time for a head coaching job, while a guy like Mark Jackson, with no coaching experience whatsoever, gets a job based on his ability to read a teleprompter. I thought Smart got a raw deal.

    • twinfan1 said, on December 26, 2011 at 10:29 pm

      Glad you explained it. In other other words, we agree..

  23. DJLoo said, on December 26, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Is anybody else looking forward to the end of the “Lexus December to Remember”? I think their jingle has officially replaced “White Christmas”…

    • blade3colorado said, on December 26, 2011 at 6:09 pm

      Rock on Loo . . .

    • Nipper said, on December 26, 2011 at 6:23 pm

      Buick is mocking their ads with the stupid red bow.

    • unca chuck said, on December 26, 2011 at 8:35 pm

      Yeah, the one where we’re supposed ro understand what the music box is playing is especially annoying.

  24. blade3colorado said, on December 26, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Concur Chuck. That commercial is for the 1%, i.e., if you’re getting tired of the overbearing drumcirclers of the Occupy movement nothing brings you back around to their point of view quite like a steaming pile of one percenter consumerism.

    However I digress . . . Fuck you, Lexus. Nobody can afford your cars right now. The 99% will be lucky if they can afford a picture of a Lexus to email to somebody. Did you not notice that the whole world is sliding into a slow economic apocalypse? This is the spin you put on it? Play a music box and light up the faces of little tots with the candy cane dream of a car with heated leather seats and seatback LCDs? I’m glad the hedge fund managers and investment bankers living in your fantasy scenario are throwing around the kind of dough it takes to roll a Lexus off the lot, but isn’t there some channel just for rich people you can run these La La Land commercials on?

    • unca chuck said, on December 26, 2011 at 9:01 pm

      Yeah, ho hum, honey, Just bought you a $65,000 car for X-Mas.

  25. DJLoo said, on December 26, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Best Christmas present I ever got was a baseball uniform when I was 7.
    Still fits.

  26. paulinasia said, on December 26, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    Now THAT was funny, Loo… πŸ™‚

  27. zumie said, on December 26, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Well, OK, I criticized the Warriors, and tonight they’re delivering an epic beat-down on the Bulls.
    Face on me. (grin) I will say, though, it’ll be important to be CONSISTENT. The season is a grind, and we are hopeful they can play that kind of D on a nightly basis, and not just when pumped up against a high-profile opponent with a super fired-up homecrowd.
    Great job tonight, Warriors. Excellent performance.
    And the Kings got it done against the Lakers tonight. Hard to tell how good the Lakers are yet. Maybe not too good. Could be a ‘Kobe melt-down’ coming in a couple of weeks.

    • willieD said, on December 27, 2011 at 8:55 am

      Ws MO for past couple seasons, even last year. fight celtics and lakers to the death, lose to chump teams. I actually think short schedule is better in this way—get over last game and go play. Downside is bench and subs become more imp, because of wear and tear on vets, and quality of GS depth isn’t real good. gotta get more out of Rush and Udoh at both ends.
      Jeremy Lin lives…

  28. twinfan1 said, on December 26, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    Is it my imagination, or has Curry rolled that ankle 54 times since last year?

    • TedSpe said, on December 27, 2011 at 10:07 am

      Close. It’s been 53 times

    • ewisco said, on December 27, 2011 at 11:19 am

      I rolled my ankle really badly in high school. after that it was unstable as heck for years. If Curry/the warriors want it to heal properly, he’s going to have to do as little as possible for at least a year. I don’t see that happening

    • unca chuck said, on December 27, 2011 at 6:03 pm

      Try the Curry roll at Hunan Gardens on Battery.

      Most excellent . . .

  29. willieD said, on December 27, 2011 at 8:52 am

    CBS site reports story out of SD Union that Gruden is ready to get back into coaching next season. Hmmm…my godson from there reports Norv is toast even if they whip hated Raiders and knock them out of the playoffs. Wishful thinking on their part?

    • blade3colorado said, on December 27, 2011 at 12:28 pm

      If I’m Gruden I go to: A. Any team that is playoff (or near) caliber; and/or B. A sunny locale. I think San Diego meets both of those prerequisites, especially in that piss poor division. In short, he doesn’t want to ruin his “brand” going to some gulag destination like Buffalo or Cleveland.

  30. unca_chuck said, on December 27, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Was Gruden on some kind of desist-from coaching clause in his TB contract? I know Shanny had one (for one season) when he was let go by Denver.

    • TedSpe said, on December 27, 2011 at 2:19 pm

      Not that I’m aware of. I think he was just disillusioned for a while after being fired by the Bucs

    • blade3colorado said, on December 27, 2011 at 2:30 pm

      Chuck, at first I thought you were making a really good joke, i.e., you can argue that both Gruden and Shanahan got stupid really quick, when they both left Oakland and Denver, respectively. Yeah, you could argue that Gruden won a Superbowl immediately after his move, but some people will counter that he inherited a team that was ready for a Superbowl from Tony Dungy. Anywho, Gruden never really got better after reaching that apex and well, Shanahan hasn’t proven jack in Washington . . . Actually, his last 3 years in Denver were nothing to write home about either.

      Then I read your post again and remembered that Shanahan did have a clause in his contract not to coach (if he wanted to collect the money that the Broncos still owed him). So, in answer to your question – I have no idea if Tampa Bay put a clause in his contract not to coach. However, he sure does seem to enjoy the “talking head” gig that he probably could do with his tongue tied behind his back. Bottom line is that he is the closest thing to today’s John Madden of the airwaves.

      • unca chuck said, on December 27, 2011 at 5:49 pm

        Yeah, Shanny minus Elway, not so good. Gruden built the Raiders that Callahan took to the show, but Tampa was Dungy’s. Gruden had the advantage of knowing all the Raiders plays. Lynch was calling the plays Oakland was going to run before Oakland called them.

  31. St said, on December 27, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    I think he was just suffering from burn out. He was known as one of those guys who worked very hard. Just don’t think he had a special knack for the drafting part of it.

  32. DJLoo said, on December 27, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    DJLoo fact of the day: In the days leading up to Super Bowl IV the 13.5 point underdog Kansas City Chiefs were unable to contain their laughter while viewing Minnesota Viking game films.

  33. ewisco said, on December 27, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    flav, you’ve stopped making progress toward post 1000. that’s good news for the rest of us.

  34. zumie said, on December 28, 2011 at 8:48 am

    The 49ers place 8, count’em, 8 players on the Pro Bowl squad!

  35. St said, on December 28, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Will be interesting to see what happens with the A’s and their move to SJ. Comments from Magowan suggests Selig won’t be giving them the rights, but even if they do, a legal battle likely will ensue. Then they have to get SJ voters to approve a stadium. Chron suggests the economy works against that, but many economists think Silicon Valley is poised for a big turnaround in 2012.

    • blade3colorado said, on December 28, 2011 at 12:19 pm

      So do Lexus dealers πŸ˜‰

      • Nipper said, on December 28, 2011 at 12:30 pm

        I know a guy with three Lexus cars. He drives very little but they look good in the driveway. The Ravens shit on these cars so all is not lost.

  36. Nipper said, on December 28, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    I wonder if Dennis is still thirsty?

  37. Alleykat said, on December 28, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    49ers should have had 10 pro bowlers with Aldon Smith and Navarro Bowman.Being a rook and 2nd.year player probably cost them.Freakin politics.Bowman is much more deserving then Urlacher.

  38. Alleykat said, on December 28, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Actually im hoping No Niner goes to the dumbass Pro Bowl game cause their be preparing for the SUPER BOWL GAME BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  39. '49ers bandwagon buddy said, on December 28, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Silicon Valley should really be poised for a decent 2012. Technology drives business now and not investing in any improvements since 2009; can’t afford to fall behind.
    Hardware, security, private clouds, social media, unified communications, virtualisation.
    Start buying you prats!
    πŸ™‚

    go ‘niners

    • unca_chuck said, on December 28, 2011 at 6:51 pm

      It’s proles, not prats, skippy . . .

  40. blade3colorado said, on December 28, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Rest in Peace Cheetah (80 years old) . . . Hopefully, the Big Guy has a banana grove up there.

  41. twinfan1 said, on December 28, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Hope you all had a nice holiday.

    • ewisco said, on December 28, 2011 at 8:52 pm

      still having it! we get the week off between xmas and new years.

  42. St said, on December 28, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    Warriors sans Curry impressive win over the Knicks.

    • willieD said, on December 29, 2011 at 8:06 am

      Agreed, but Knicks Gs are not the type of players to take advantage of ellis and ish smith( who did OK in first half) off the dribble,. Rush was great, and ellis created off pick and roll for others. So far I’m impressed by their defensive rebounding. Chandler was awful again, Bricks have to wonder who they got. D’antoni got out coached imo, something else they have to wonder about.

    • Macdog said, on December 29, 2011 at 8:42 am

      Knicks announcers, one of whom is Walt Frazier, were very impressed with the Warriors’ D, especially McGuire on ‘Melo. The Knicks helped out a bit by taking a lot of quick shots, as they like do in D’Antoni’s offense. When they don’t make 3’s (4-21), they don’t win. It also was fun watching the Warriors slice up their suspect D in the 4th quarter. I don’t get to see Ellis much, but he was a completely different player in the 4th than he was the first three quarters. Is this always a problem with him?

      • willieD said, on December 29, 2011 at 10:00 am

        4th he commands the ball, part of the reason he and Steph don’t work well together. Last night he hit from everywhere in the 4th and got to the rim. He did have a couple TOs, something else he has a habit of doing in 4th Q…he’s not a true PG who looks for others first/set up your O type. But as you saw he can attack the basket and is a lot better at making the dish to uncovered big when help comes. tough guy, lot of pride in his game.

  43. Kevin said, on December 29, 2011 at 8:27 am

    Been busy, so I have not been here. Whoa, there is no Santa??? WTF, who said so?? That is what people said about the Giants never winning a world series!!! Don’t stop Believing. Santa give these people Coal in their stocking next year!!

  44. Alleykat said, on December 29, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Sure the Giants would let the A’s move to ALVISO Swamps with their Scrub team.

    • Nipper said, on December 29, 2011 at 10:12 am

      Alviso is just down the street. Perfect for the A’s. Boats stuck in the mud. A dreary little burb of SJ.

  45. zumie said, on December 29, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Some good “no Whitey” news:
    “Sanchez has hit proficiently during this offseason. He entered Wednesday batting .339 in 47 games for Tiburones de La Guaira, good for fifth in the Venezuelan Winter League. Sanchez also was tied for fifth in home runs (eight), fifth in RBIs (35) and second in OPS.”

  46. twinfan1 said, on December 29, 2011 at 11:46 am

    You can see how everybody has done in the winter leagues here:
    http://tinyurl.com/ykbc8b5

    • zumie said, on December 29, 2011 at 11:53 am

      Panik’s numbers really jump out.

  47. ChiPower said, on December 29, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Hey Flappers – It’s been a long time, and I would be lying if I said that I have never given thought of this site, or thought about many of you long-time Flappers (hey, I remember in the early days when Flavor posted the titties of the day)…some of you will remember those.

    Anyway…life if busy…girlfriend, trying to spend time with my grown kids, a new grand daughter (she is an absolute doll, and yes I am biased). One of my New Year’s resolutions is to get out here and interact with the best bunch of SF Giant bloggers in the Universe more frequently.

    I am glad to see the site is still active, and that many of you old timers Twin, Unca, Zumie, Blade, Kat, Paul, DJLoo…you know who you are…are still around.

    Looking forward to another year of Giant baseball. 51 days until pitchers and catchers report.

    You guys may have kicked this one to death…but curious as to your thoughts (because of the astute baseball minds that frequent here).

    Timmy is wanting 8 years/120 mil. Giants are offering 4/80 (supposedly sweetened over the past couple of days).

    Two choices (hypothetical):

    1 – Sign him.
    2 – Trade him.

    Just curious as to what you would do if you were the GM.

    With that…I hope you had a safe and happy Christmas. Wishing you all the best of health, happiness, and good fortune throughout 2012.

    Keep Flappin’!

    Blade – good luck on your trip. Keep the eyes in the back of your head open. My girlfriend had some nasty experiences when (when she was married) in Honduras. Be safe brother. Looking forward to the picts.

  48. ChiPower said, on December 29, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Flav – what’s up with the “until I shut this bad boy down some time next Winter” comment? That will be the saddest day in blog history….

  49. TedSpe said, on December 29, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    Nationals sign Mark DeRosa

  50. ewisco said, on December 29, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    officer, i’d like to report a missing Big Flavor.

    • Nipper said, on December 29, 2011 at 4:14 pm

      Blog is getting too soft and friendly…….too many good cheers! Blogs only work with feuds, fights, angst. Some of you guys are too happy and settled.

  51. eddacker said, on December 29, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Hey, Chi, happy season 2012
    trading Tim would bring the wrath of the gods down on phoneball park worse than trading away Willie Mays did.
    It just ain’t right

    4 years @ 80 sounds good, and 8 years sounds like a show of “you are giant” much like the last contract to BW did. I know personalities and loyalties don’t go far in today’s MLB, but the quality of SF fandom is strong.

    • Nipper said, on December 29, 2011 at 4:12 pm

      Get your checkbook out eddacker. I know you’ll come through.

  52. DJLoo said, on December 29, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    Welcome back, Chi. What’s a girlfriend?
    Wanna call Seattle about a Felix for Timmy package?

  53. Big flavor said, on December 29, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    Flappers—sorry, been out of town and forgot my laptop and there wasn’t any baseball news interesting enough to go through the hassle of putting up a new thread via the iPhone.
    Chi– great to see again I hope you check in more often. Once a day? Who among us doesn’t have a single time a day to check the Internet? πŸ™‚ and btw, the titties are still here, I put them on a page to the right.
    I’ll catch up on news over the next 24 hours ESP the rumor Chi noted about signing Big Time Timmy Jim to 4/80. On the surface that makes a lot of sense, will list the reasons tomorrow. Have a good one and sorry for leaving the thread up for so long– that’s easily a record.

  54. blade3colorado said, on December 29, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Chi, ditto what Flav said . . . Who amongst us, doesn’t have a single time a day to check the internet? Regardless, good to see you posting here. πŸ˜‰

    Regarding Central America, since you have military experience, you’ll be my point of contact for a kidnap negotiator should guerrilla rebel forces or narco drug runners kidnap me.

  55. chipower said, on December 29, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    I know fellas…I will check in regularly.

  56. chipower said, on December 29, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    On the signing/trading Timmy deal. I know the Giants don’t want to go 8. Hell, with a pitcher…what a risk. I think the Zito fiasco is fresh in their minds, too (not trying to compare Zits and Timmy). I love the four year deal. Buys out his last two years of arbitration eligibility and first two years of free agent eligibiltiy (Tim would be 31 at the end of the contract). Even if they sweeten the deal a bit over 80, I think it is a good deal. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

  57. blade3colorado said, on December 29, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    My understanding is that Tim is fine with a short term deal – either a one year or two year deal through his arbitration eligibility. Me? I am hoping that Sabean DOES NOT go beyond that. I don’t care if the pitcher is Cy Young or Walter Johnson. That being said, I’m very grateful for what Lincecum has done in the past (the “past” being the operative word).

    However, the Giants aren’t the Social Security Administration and they shouldn’t overpay for Lincecum. Like Milk, I suspect that Timmy will approach his “past due date” in 2 years, 3 years max. Let someone else be his benefactor. IMHO $80 million for 4 years is ridiculous and Timmy’s $120 million is a fucking joke (that isn’t funny, especially in lieu of Zito’s imbecilic deal).

  58. chipower said, on December 29, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    Blade – We can agree to disagree. Personally, I doubt he hits his “past due date” in two to three years. I think four years at 80 is a reasonable deal. He is projected to get around 20 if they go to arbitration this year. That will only increase the following year, and if he continues to pitch as he is…he’ll be in line for somewhere around 25 per. I think four years is a reasonable risk, when you consider the potential payoff. No way I go past four years, though. This would make Timmy a Giant through 2015 (he would be 31). Bum and Posey don’t hit their last year of AE until 2016. Pablo in 2015.

  59. unca chuck said, on December 29, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Hee hee. Too much driving. Visiting Knob Creek now. In a big way. Apparently my car wants to cripple my back.

    8 year deal for Timmy? Uh, no. 4/80 is better than the Bubbles or Rowie deal, but Timmy prob won’t take it.

  60. Nipper said, on December 30, 2011 at 8:33 am

    No team should go eight on anyone. Four max.


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