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Roy Oswalt? Why Not?

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on January 16, 2012

OK, I have to get back to something baseball related though my brain is still buzzing with all things football these days……

I see that Roy Oswalt still doesn’t have a team and there are consistent reports that he’s now looking at a 1-year deal for about 8 million. This makes little sense to me with all the pitching starved teams out there– I would think all you’d need is two teams competing for him to get him something better than 1y/8m.

But if that’s the case, I still don’t understand why they Giants don’t do a deal like that with Oswalt. They handed Voggy 8 million when they said the bank was tapped and I still don’t understand why they did that. They certainly didn’t have to give him a 2 year deal and they probably couldn’t have gotten away with giving him HALF that on a 2 year deal anyway. But whatever, he’s signed through 2013. I’m fine with that, I was one of the few people who believed in him early on last year.

My point is, if they’re going to be paying Voggy more than twice what they had to pay him, why not pick up Oswalt at an absolute bargain on a single year deal? No one anywhere outside of Barry Zito’s fantasy world believes he’s going to be able to help us in 2012. And Oswalt would probably LOVE to come here knowing how pitcher friendly our park is— put together a nice year and then hit the free agent market for one more contract—probably 2 years/20 mil if he has a good year for SF………

Now, how about those Niners, eh?


Retro Action:

It’s Opening Day! Tuesday, April 9th, 1985. The 100 loss season! Bring it!

We won one of our very few on this day, 4-3. Probably won’t spend much time on ’85. David Green! Ack!

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  1. Giant Head said, on January 16, 2012 at 7:08 am

    Wasn’t Voggy arb eligible? With the year he had, couldn’t he got that $4 mill in arbitration? I think this is good karma taking care of him.

    What I have seen of Oswalt, I think he may be done as an effective starter. And I bet he is waiting for the Rangers to make a deal for Yu Darvish, the window of which closes on Wednesday. My guess is that if the Rangers don’t sign Darvish, they will quickly sign Oswalt…go Niners. A home game, who would have thunk? I want Bellichek, Brady and the Patriots in the Super Bowl!!!

  2. willieD said, on January 16, 2012 at 7:33 am

    How many more years do we still owe Z? My other ? would be how many runs SF is going to have to score with him in the rotation (and a drop off to 4.00 ERA from Vogs, who might be lucky to see that third year option) for them to get back on top and win 90 games?
    wow…not two days after Loo posts HR numbers for Freddy Lynn, the retro game has Attlee as the SP.

  3. Alleykat said, on January 16, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Willie D…..Zits has 2 more years at 36 mil yikes!!

    • Big flavor said, on January 16, 2012 at 8:24 am

      What about the team option? Think they’ll exercise that bad boy? Baha. Only a 7 million dollar buy out of that thing. Hysterical.

    • Nipper said, on January 16, 2012 at 10:01 am

      Cut him and hold your nose.

      • Nipper said, on January 16, 2012 at 10:02 am

        And no statue for Peter Magowan!

  4. St said, on January 16, 2012 at 7:58 am

    Vogelsong gets 3m this yr, about what they had estimated it would take and already factored in the $130m budget. So, it’s not like they found an extra pile of cash lying around or went over their est budget. Same goes for Tim and the other arb guys. Those costs have already been factored in. Once they get everyone in the fold and see exactly where they are budget wise, they can maybe add a piece. But if there’s much wiggle room left, it would probably be used for a mid-season acquisition.

    As for Oswalt, he’s got that chronic back problem. At his age, probably not going to get better, so I doubt he’s looking to pitch here, where the weather stays on the cool side.

  5. twinfan1 said, on January 16, 2012 at 8:55 am

    Vogelsong was arb eligible and probably would have received his 3 million but there was no reason for the extra years. Fuck Karma. Torres was one of the MVPs of the league in 2010 , and far more valuable than Voggy was last year-and he got one year and 2.2 mill- and we see how that worked out. This is a guy who couldn’t get hitters out at ANY LEVEL before last year. I think he could have lived with the insult of a 3 million dollar deal while he showed that last year not a fluke..

    • Nipper said, on January 16, 2012 at 9:35 am

      Sobering thoughts.

  6. willieD said, on January 16, 2012 at 9:01 am

    If the Giants get the 2010 Z line of 4.15 ERA and Vogs reverts to a 4.00 ERA, they would give up at least 20 more runs than either of 2010 and 2011, if you assume there is no drop off from the Big 3. According to B-R, each of last two seasons SF has given up 578 and 583 runs. 2010, of course Sanchez and Bum had ERA in the neighborhood of 3.00. I just doubt Vogs is as good as either of them were, and Z would not be any better; and if he is as bad as last year, SF had better score as much as 2010 to win 90 plus.
    2010 Posey and FS each accounted for 100 runs produced (scored and driven in minus HRs). Torres had his monster year of 16 bombs and 130 runs produced. Think anyone who plays CF produces like that this year? Maybe Belt makes up the difference.
    2010 SF scored 697, middle of the pack NL numbers; 2011 of course 570 runs and we know what that led to. I’m just not sure SF did enough to improve the O for what I suspect might be a drop off in SP numbers from what we have seen last couple years.

  7. zumie said, on January 16, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Regarding retro-game….Garry Templeton was one of my favorite Giants opponents to watch from that era. In his prime, he was as good as it gets at shortstop.

    • zumie said, on January 16, 2012 at 9:39 am

      If I remember correctly, his prime didn’t last all that many years because of a knee injury.

  8. St said, on January 16, 2012 at 9:42 am

    I would tend to agree about the 2nd yr for Vogel. But pitching is so overpriced and they don’t have much in the minors. And Vogelsong will be a FA in 2012. So, if he did have another solid yr, he might be tough to re-sign at 1 yr 5 m. They are rolling the dice, but at 5m, not a huge loss if he drops off.

    • St said, on January 16, 2012 at 9:47 am

      Not 100% now, but I think he would have been a FA in 2013 if he had signed for just one yr.

  9. Nipper said, on January 16, 2012 at 10:03 am

    “I want WINNERS!”

  10. Bozo said, on January 16, 2012 at 11:11 am

    I’ve been hoping all winter that I’d read something about Zito developing a knuckle ball. Now that is some sad ass shit, 1) that I think Zits needs to learn that pitch and 2) that I’m such a sick bastard for even thinking about the dude.

  11. twinfan1 said, on January 16, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    You know, fans have every right to be jumping on the bandwagon- that’s how exitement is built, as more and more are drawn to a team ( or player) exceeding expectations. But I don’t wanna hear even ONE local media type on the Smith bandwagon unless the first words of the story are “I’m a dumbfuck for not listening to legandary blog commenter Twinfan1…”

    • twinfan1 said, on January 16, 2012 at 1:13 pm

      Kawakami, a noted Smith hater, removed my post noting that last week on Comcast he declared that he’d take Tebow over Smith. I’m sure that there are more idiots with the same opinion but own up to it, pal..

      • blade3colorado said, on January 16, 2012 at 5:28 pm

        He is a fucking idiot and should kiss your ass Twin.

        Big prediction for Tebow: He won’t start next year for the entire year, much less half the year. Alternative prediction: He will incur a major injury next year if he plays more than 6 games (likely a concussion).

    • blade3colorado said, on January 16, 2012 at 1:42 pm

      Since I have no idea how to use the flapperoo search engine, you can add my name to those who have always spoken highly of Alex and has blamed his delay to football Valhalla to idiot head coaches and the merry carousel of offensive coordinators. In short, you won’t find a negative post from me about him, only positive ones.

  12. Big flavor said, on January 16, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Kawakami (and particularly Monte Poole) have been pretty bad in terms of not believing in what the Niners were doing. It’s fine to write an anti-niner article but u better be right about it. Poole looked like quite the fool after his “Niners aren’t ready for prime time” article that was written the fucking day of the game!

    • twinfan1 said, on January 16, 2012 at 2:40 pm

      Check out Poole after the game- Unless I missed it, when he talks about Smith silencing the doubters, he doesn’t count himself among them.
      Dwight Clark had the gall to say he always believed in Alex!
      These guys must think we forget everything they written or said. To be fair, at least one Smith hater came clean- Cohn:
      “The Santa Rosa Press Democrat just posted my Sunday column from the Niners-Saints game, my column about Alex Smith which gives Smith his due. I was down on Smith for a long time and so were lots of you. But fair is fair. He won the game not once, but twice for the Niners on Saturday, and he has developed into much more than a game manager quarterback. He is, in fact, one heck of a quarterback. “

  13. DJLoo said, on January 16, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    MLB Network is doing 1993 & 1982 tonight on their Baseball’s Seasons series. Much easier to re-live since 11/01/10. Check your local listings for start times…

    • Big flavor said, on January 16, 2012 at 1:48 pm

      Loo why the hell are you planning on watching something not from the 60’s?

      • DJLoo said, on January 16, 2012 at 1:59 pm

        I’m going through an ’80’s phase, Flav. Lately, I’ve been wearing my hair like Nikki Sixx…

      • Flavor said, on January 16, 2012 at 2:23 pm

        that’s probably an outstanding look for you.

      • DJLoo said, on January 16, 2012 at 2:57 pm

        It’s drawing a lot of attention. Unfortunately the only women that seem to like it are over 70. I was hoping the 40-somethings would dig it.

      • Flavor said, on January 16, 2012 at 3:04 pm

        you’re just not hitting the right spots. “Motley Crew Reunion tour” –Cinderella, White Snake, Poison—that kind of shit. You’d be a big hit!

  14. snarkk said, on January 16, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    This Zito situation continues to be an anvil around the Giants neck, and it shouldn’t be. They just need to cut his ass lose. Case closed, move on. If you have a bad cow that gives no milk, the cow heads to the slaughterhouse, you don’t keep it around just for sentiment, especially if she never game much milk ever since you stupidly bought her when everybody else said don’t. I said months ago that the Gyros should go after Oswalt. If he can be picked up on a one year deal, they should hit that — yesterday. Yeah, you have to wonder if he’s lost something, he probably has, but this guy knows what he’s doing on the mound. Put him at ATT, he’s good for 3-4 more wins compared to somewhere else. It is insanity for them to rely on Zito as the #5, he is going to flame out and burn the Pen. The options they have after Zito crashes have to be limited to Surkamp to scrap heapers from other squads on the order of Wellemeyer, etc….

  15. Flavor said, on January 16, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    I think most teams, even the competitive ones, have #5’s who you could say “counting on him would be insanity”. I don’t have time to look through each team’s #5 right now. I just quickly looked at Arizona and they have Barry Enright and Iron Head Joe Martinez (back from South Korea) dueling it out to be the #5.
    When Zito flames out in early May after 5 shitty starts I’m guess that Sabes will just pick an *Enright* or an *Iron Head* off the scrap heap and go with that…
    Although as you say, signing Oswalt to a 1 yr deal (if his back checks out) makes the most sense.

  16. Flavor said, on January 16, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    I thought Iron Head went to South Korea for a year but it’s not listed in his stats.
    Maybe I’m thinking of Ryan Garko…

  17. PawlieKokonuts said, on January 16, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Atlee Hammaker, forever ruined by Whitey Herzog, in the All-Star game. Still, led the league in ERA at one point and great name, but not the LONGEST. That was William Van Landingham.

  18. Alleykat said, on January 16, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Pawlie….Not to be out done by Jarrod Saltalamacchia.Former Texas Ranger Catcher now with Boston.

  19. willieD said, on January 16, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Bozo, have you given a how do you like me now shout out to your nola buddies?
    Last night I’m half asleep watching Australia open tennis on espn2, and they cut away from a first round match to chris fowler interviewing some USA young guy playing there named Harrison (I think). His hometown is Shreveport, so fowler gives him a how do you feel about the Niners game, then mentions LSU meltdown. The guy says, “Well thanks for reminding me of that”, about half derisively and half not. Rough week down there, I guess.

    • Flavor said, on January 16, 2012 at 8:01 pm

      I’m still trying to figure out how LSU can be #1 in the country at the end of the regular season and yet they play Alabama for 8 quarters plus an over time and don’t score a single touchdown. I’m sorry, unless this is the best defense in the history of the world, I don’t get that at all….

      • Nipper said, on January 16, 2012 at 8:44 pm

        College football don’t mean a thing……

  20. Flavor said, on January 16, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    Ludwick just got signed by the Reds for a couple million/1yr. I don’t yearn for him or anything but he IS a right handed hitter with pop, something we have a dearth of . I don’t know, it seems to me there are a shit load of very valuable, cheap players who we could sign for peanuts and are failing to do so.
    Who would you rather have as a 4th/5th outfielder?
    right handed Justin Christian?
    right handed Ryan Ludwick?

  21. Flavor said, on January 16, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    oh fuck it, I’m done. I sound like a whiny girl. I know the answer of why we didn’t sign Ludwick. And I actually like Christian (at his price) as a late inning guy…..
    Still, unless you’re big Pill Fans, we have next to nothing coming off the bench from the right side….

    • Nipper said, on January 16, 2012 at 8:43 pm

      Take a Pill and hit the sack.

    • twinfan1 said, on January 16, 2012 at 9:48 pm

      Well, they say they might carry only 3 “regular” OFers, due to Belt, Huff, and even Burriss being able to play there.

  22. Alleykat said, on January 16, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Rather of had Seth Smith then Ludwick,though he doesnt bat LH he has more upside then Ludwick IMO

    • twinfan1 said, on January 16, 2012 at 9:52 pm

      Don’t think Smith was getting traded in the division.Now he’s where good hitters go to die. Welcome to Oakland..

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