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Posey Needs to Start Catching Soon

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on March 7, 2012

Word out of Bochy is that Posey is going to be starting Friday. Hopefully, that date doesn’t get pushed out. Catching is a unique job with different conditioning requirements than the other position players. You’ve got to be able to squat on and off for 2-3 hours and you’ve also got to be able to get into and out of the squat approximately 180-200 times a game. Stop reading this post and go put yourself in a catcher’s stance for a 6 or 7 seconds……Ok, that’s ONNNNEEEE…..Not easy, is it? Time for a trip to the mound before your back goes out……..

Let’s rewind to last season and remember what happened to the great Joe Mauer. He had a terrible year. And it started off with the team *easing* him back into his role as catcher. Mauer had surgery in December of 2010 and the team decided to give him a light work load with the hopes that it would ease him back into the grind of a season’s worth of squatting. He played in only 8 spring training games last year.

Whoops….

About 2 weeks into the season he was diagnosed with something called “bilateral leg weakness”. Owning him in a fairly high end fantasy league at the time, my diagnosis was “huge pussy”. But looking back on it, clearly he wasn’t ready for the rigors of every day catching…….

Here is what the Twins head trainer, Rick McWane,  had to say about it at the time: “He hasn’t had the repetitions for catching…Once the season started, he began to wear down….He wasn’t strong enough to handle the every day catching….He had weakness and soreness in his body just from catching….”  (Those quotes were compiled from a single ESPN article, that’s why they seem a little disjointed.)

So it’s good to hear that Posey is going to start catching on Friday. If he played in the rest of the ST games that would be 13 games. I highly doubt they play Posey in every spring training game once he’s set to go on Friday. So what’s he gonna get? 10 games? Everyone’s body is different and just because Mauer only played in 8 ST games and developed bilateral leg weakness doesn’t mean Posey will suffer the same problem. But Buster hasn’t played since last May. He is WAY further away from his last catching day than Mauer was when he went out and got diagnosed with bilateral leg weakness 2 weeks into the season. As of today, Posey’s conditioning as a catcher is simply not there.

I actually don’t have super high hopes for Buster this season. I think, at best, he starts off slowly and really gets going by June (or maybe even the 2nd half of the season). At worst, he re-injures the ankle and he has to hit the DL. Look at the going on 2 years running rehab that Kendry Morales has undergone in his ongoing attempt to come back from his leg injury. Consider the absurd number of recurring ailments that Steph Curry has dealt with this year on his foot….

I just think it’s foolish to think that a guy who suffered a horrific ankle injury will just hit the ground running both mentally and physically after 10 (or so) games in Spring Training in the most physically demanding position on the diamond. It’s a huge concern that’s exacerbated when you see that El Presidente and The VP are on the roster. I’m telling you, when push comes to shove and it’s time for Bochy to pull the 2nd catcher trigger I will be shocked if he’s able to do anything other than offer up a long, warm embrace for good ‘ol reliable *Whitey*. Texting him daily and taking him on several off season fishing trips just won’t be the same. Whitey ain’t goin’ anywhere…….

And if you think this is no big deal and I’m worrying about nothing, take a peek at Mauer’s 2010/2011 seasons:

Posey really wasn’t having that good of a year when he went down last May. It certainly was respectable for a catcher but his OPS was off more than 100 points from the year before (.862 > .756). Mauer dropped about 150 OPS points off his 2010. Could we really tolerate a Posey season if he dropped 150 OPS off what he was doing last year?

Not likely…….

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  1. snarkk said, on March 7, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Yep, the Posey thing is troubling. He’s only started this week to run bases, and not very hard, per reports. You can’t have another season with a catcher playing 60 games or more hitting around the Mendoza line. And, there’s no way you can predict right now that Buster will play catcher more than 100 games. Stewie and Whitey just doesn’t cut it. I’d go with Sanchez to make the 25 — if he craters, he’s got options; and Stewie is only a phone call to Fresno away…

    • Nipper said, on March 7, 2012 at 7:11 pm

      Snarkk is troubled!

  2. twinfan1 said, on March 7, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    I’ve also posted what Craig has about Buster- they should be happy to just get him fully healthy and let the production come as it will. If that means he doesn’t return to full form until next year, so be it. And the recent feature on our young catchers was timely, we have at least three who just might be good enough to move Buster out of the crouch ( Sanchez, Joseph, Susac ) in a year or two….and look, if the plan is to go with one of the dilwad back up catchers for a few weeks while Hector polishes his defensive skills- OK. Anything more that and they just don’t give a shit about winning. When MadBum or Vogelsong pitch, he will be best hitter in the 7/8/9 spot…

    • Nipper said, on March 7, 2012 at 7:16 pm

      BE HAPPY!

  3. Flavor said, on March 7, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    5 reasons why the NIners don’t even try to sign Manning:

    1)Harbaugh develops QB’s, he doesn’t sign expensive washed up injured QB’s
    2)Manning’s nerve damage hasn’t improved. He can’t throw the ball the way he used to
    3)He’s had 4 neck surgeries. His head could literally be detached from a big hit faster and cleaner than Freddy’s arm might do the same on a throw to first base. And there are few things that could snap off faster than that…
    4)We don’t need him. We’ve got one of the better QB’s in the league right now (assuming we sign him which I’m positive we will)…..
    5) Dan Snyder is going to trip over people to sign him. That dude’s decisions should be *George Costanza’d*—go opposite every time…
    My prediction (and yes, fucking book it): Manning will never again put up a season like Alex Smith’s 2011 season in any of the years he plays from here on out. Don’t be a dumbass and bet on the back of someone’s football card. Manning is done…..
    Harbaugh and TB know all of this, I’m not worried about them signing him for a second. But the dumbdumb KNBR call in guys got me going about this today…….

    • Nipper said, on March 7, 2012 at 7:17 pm

      No worries by me.

  4. twinfan1 said, on March 7, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    And Manning runs his own offense, there is no fucking way Jim Harbaugh says “Here ya go Peyton, it’s all yours”
    Chances that Manning could go 13-3 and come within a scrub’s botched punt return to the Super Bowl- zero…
    They could still screw up Smith’s signing, though. It seems they want to get miserly with the years. And even with all the love- they did try to get Hasselbeck (SP?). Don’t fuck this up or Alex will be taking a different West team to the playoffs this year. And we’ll be 6-10 with Kappy…

  5. Flavor said, on March 7, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Actually, I think he’d do ok with Kappy. But I’d prefer he get another year under him….
    Here’s a thought: what would Payton have done with Crabtree and the rotten apples he would have had to throw to last year? How many times would he have broken into tiny small pieces if his old ass body had to endure what Alex did last year (in terms of hits, pressures, sacks, etc…)?
    And how will he do throwing to the new receivers (there will be many) with an arm he can’t feel his fingers in?
    And we pay 30 million (or whatever) guaranteed money for that shit? Fuck that.
    Twin, I had never paired your dislike for Whitey with Bochy’s great love for him. That’s a type of polarization that is so jarring I couldn’t even comprehend it. I apologize for recently saying you blindly support everything that Bochy does. That was wrong and misguided for me to say………

    • Nipper said, on March 7, 2012 at 7:20 pm

      You’re forgiven! Now 10 Hail Marys and a donation to the Father’s good time fund.

    • twinfan1 said, on March 7, 2012 at 7:34 pm

      I exaggerated how poorly they’d do under Kappy, I really have no idea. But if we remember that knock on Smith, that he was useless in an offense until he really knew it- his performance in 2011 bodes quite well for his second year, when he could very well make good on the elite QB status that Harbaugh put on him.
      And I’d posit that his playoff performance with exactly one receiver to go to was epic…
      I just don’t want them to screw this up over the length of his deal. He and Harbaugh have a good thing going but I doubt he has much love for the organization. He’ll have a few more options this year…
      As to Whitey, the last thing I want to hear after a guy has sucked all year is that he was hurt. Fuck that, Eli sucks healthy. If it was true, he screwed the team, there isn’t a catcher in the organization who couldn’t put up the shit he did.I mean NONE- they could bring up the #3 catcher from Augusta to equal Whitey’s contribution..

  6. Flavor said, on March 7, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    I’ve never agreed more forcefully with so many words you’ve written in a single post…..
    The *injury news* is nothing more than the ground work being laid down for El Presidente’s fantastic next term. Consider that his version of campaigning for the primary. Soon he will be re-elected by a city population of: 1.
    I’m nearly giddy as I consider being wrong about this but I’m likely correct…..

  7. twinfan1 said, on March 7, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Well, I’d better to bed while the gettins good..GNight all..

  8. Del Mar Dennis said, on March 7, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    I’m respecting Flavor’s request: I’m keeping my 49er comments exclusively for Chuck’s blog.
    But I will say this, you guys make me laugh. Remember that TV game show, “Make Me Laugh?”
    I believe Saget, Shandling and Howie Mandel used that show as a springboard…

    • twinfan1 said, on March 7, 2012 at 11:16 pm

      Then laugh about them having zero interst in Manning and having an offer to Alex on the table. Or rather than laugh, maybe you can threaten to kill him again…

  9. Alleykat said, on March 7, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    BF…..I wouldn’t fret about Posey as much as your high.draft choice Mauer.Geez he’s a Full time “MASH PATIENT”
    Here’s his injury track record and it’s far more then Buster has endured…
    2004…Surgery to repair a torn medial meniscus in left knee.
    2007…Stress reaction in left fibula.
    2008..Inflammation in the Sacrolliac joint(Back)
    2010…Bruised left heel,right shoulder tendinitis,tissue inflammation in left knee,off season arthoscopic sugery on left knee.
    2011…Bilateral leg weakness, soreness in hips,elbow,shoulder.
    It hurts just to look at that!
    Hope he holds up for you,but with that track record I Doubt it.I would take Posey holding up more.IMO.

    • Big flavor said, on March 7, 2012 at 9:00 pm

      Mauer is a 2 time batting champ as a catcher. And I got him in the 6th round. Mauer is a risk but not NEARLY the risk Posey is right now. Shit Mauer is playing baseball and feeling fine. Posey hasn’t played in a year and is scared shitless about what’s gonna happen next. It’s pure poppycock fan bullshit to say you’re certain that Posey is going to have a big year….

  10. unca_chuck said, on March 7, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Frankly, I think Smith gets signed last. Around the 11th or 12th. But it’ll be before free agency starts.

    It looks like they are going to let Rogers go. Or at least see what gets thrown at him in FA. Jerry Jerk-off will be all over him and overpay like a motherfucker.

    • twinfan1 said, on March 7, 2012 at 11:33 pm

      There’s an offer on the table now for Alex.As I’ve thought, the years are a sticking point. Unlike last year, he has all the leverage and while he and Harbaugh may have a good thing going he undoubtably detests the Yorks and the rest of the organization. If I’m Smith I don’t take less than the money they stole from him and minimum 3 years. If he’s with Seattle last year, they’re in the playloffs and we have the 8-8 record that was going to make the fans all cuddly and warm with a new QB- any new QB…

      • twinfan1 said, on March 7, 2012 at 11:44 pm

        Although Jason La Canfora has reported it could be along the lines of the Kolb deal-5 or 6 years at 60 million but with a “bust out” clause if he tanks…have to love the thought of that one as there would be a terrible mess in Denny’s room..

    • twinfan1 said, on March 8, 2012 at 12:39 am

      Rogers got fried in the playoffs , I found it amazing that so many were down on Goldson, and ready to let him go. Goldson will be an All-Pro for years. they got the best out of Rogers, it would have been a huge mistake to offer him major money…

      • Flavor said, on March 8, 2012 at 6:13 am

        I tend to agree with you about this (again). Hey, new day and all your posts are still making perfect sense to me.

  11. Flavor said, on March 8, 2012 at 6:26 am

    And this is today’s thread so at some point I’d like to hear all of your concerns about Posey and The Back Up Plan….
    But before that, I’ve got a bet to offer Dennis: I’m willing to retract my claim that Manning will never play again. I forgot about Namath playing for the Rams on two knees he could hardly walk on. Man, that was sad. So I guess there’s a possibility that Manning could stubbornly go out there and try to fling the ball around with an arm he can’t feel his fingers in. I’m positive it won’t be for the Niners, and am thankful for that. I genuinely hope it’s for Arizona because we would benefit from that. It’ll probably be Miami or Washington.
    But let’s say that Manning and Smith are both starting next season. Here’s my bet I’m offering to Dennis: Who will have the higher number (TD – INT’s), Manning or Smith? It’s for the entire year and if one of them (see: Manning, Peyton) gets knocked out in Week 3 or 8 or 12, so be it. We just look at their end-of-season total. I take Smith, you take Peyton and his arm that feels like it belongs to someone else. And of course, if Peyton never plays again and Smith does and ends the year with a plus td-int number, I win. If he ends it with a minus td -int number, you would win since that would be worse than the *0* Peyton put up by not playing a single play…
    If you win, I let you post anything you want at my blog about Alex Smith for 100 days (within reason on the number, we’ll say no more than 5 a day). If I win, you don’t post at my blog for 100 days. The 100 days for either of us starts when the final day of the regular football season ends.
    So what do you say? Bet on?

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on March 8, 2012 at 9:11 am

      Re-read my bet offer: “If Manning starts Week 1…” I don’t make KY Derby future wagers. I’m not even that big of a sucker. But if both horses reach the starting gate for Week 1 of the 2012 NFL season; most TDs, better TD/INT ratio, highest QBR or whatever. Any personal performance bet between the two, you can count me in. I’m game.

      • Big Flavor said, on March 8, 2012 at 10:01 am

        so you’re saying if he starts Week 1 then the bet is on or are you just wanting to bet on their Week 1 performances?

      • twinfan1 said, on March 8, 2012 at 10:22 am

        Why nothing about team record? Dennis and his fellow travelers have always put the onus for the 49er losing record totally on Smith. Until 2011, when suddenly winning was a team thing. In their warped little liquor sodden brains, Alex has a record of 19-31 and the Niners have a record of 14-4….

      • Del Mar Dennis said, on March 8, 2012 at 11:14 am

        If Manning is healthy enough to start Week 1, then the bet(s) are on for the entire season.
        Why don’t we just revisit this the Saturday prior to Week 1 and hammer out the details if necessary.

      • big flavor said, on March 8, 2012 at 12:36 pm

        done

  12. dirtnrocksnreno said, on March 8, 2012 at 6:47 am

    Sign Pudge and carry Hanchez as the backup.

  13. willieD said, on March 8, 2012 at 7:45 am

    rice’s comments on smith/ peyton and SF red zone/3rd down stuff were a low blow. I wish he would just STFU and accept retirement gracefully, but I guess that will never happen. Honestly, from his golf debacle to dancing with stars, he’s still enamored of himself on camera and in the spotlight.
    I don’t worry about posey, really. He wants to be a full time catcher and the PS loves him. He’s gonna go all out to reclaim his health and his rightful spot Even if it takes him all year to get fully back into it, he is a damn sight better than most in the NL and as we all know light years ahead of stew/whitey.
    Nothing wrong with keeping Hector as a back up and easing Posey into reg season catching 3-4 games a week as opposed to 5-6. But no first base–a day off is a full day off, and he can help hector btw innings from the bench.
    And remember the famous words of Mose Allison: “I don’t worry bout a thing/cause I know nothing’s going to be alright.”

  14. willieD said, on March 8, 2012 at 8:41 am

    in the cbs online story i just read, unid source (lol) said pm favs are washington miami and denver, and he goes wherever the most money is. Denver??? would elway really do that? Can you imagine the land mine that would set off with god squad, with T reduced to carrying manning’s equipment bag around?

    • big flavor said, on March 8, 2012 at 8:48 am

      T would still get tons of playing time…..

    • twinfan1 said, on March 8, 2012 at 8:54 am

      I posted about Manning to Denver months ago- it’s one of the few deals that would get Elway out from under the T-Blow fanatics. I don’t think even those whackos could bitch about Manning taking over. Then trade T-Blow to a red state team, Jacksonville would be perfect…
      Remember how many of our own SF grown whackos wanted Kolb instead of Alex- AZ is already set to pay him off to try for Manning..

      • willieD said, on March 8, 2012 at 9:13 am

        yeah that’s kind of funny–they couldn’t bitch about comparing the two. But, it better work or they’d be all over elway for ruining the magic by benching their boy and blowing up the salary cap in the process. And I don’t see pm being the mentor to a kid he probably figures he could outplay with his left arm.

  15. Del Mar Dennis said, on March 8, 2012 at 9:50 am

    Peyton Manning odds. Where does he land?

    Miami Dolphins+125Arizona Cardinals+350Kansas City Chiefs+600Field (Any Other Team)+700New York Jets+800Seattle Seahawks+800San Francisco 49ers+1000Denver Broncos+1000Washington Redskins+1000Tennessee Titans+1500No Team (Doesnt throw a pass in 2012/2013 Regular Season)+1500Houston Texans+2000

    15-1 he doesn’t throw a pass this year? People rooting and betting against a particular QB to fail.
    For shame.

  16. twinfan1 said, on March 8, 2012 at 9:55 am

    “People rooting and betting against a particular QB to fail.
    For shame.”
    Gosh, who would do such a thing?

  17. Del Mar Dennis said, on March 8, 2012 at 11:19 am

    The Miami Dolphins are currently 15-1 (down from 50-1) with the anticipation of signing Manning to win the SB.
    The Niners remain at 20-1. If the Niners signed Manning they’d fall to at least 7-1. But we don’t want or need Manning.

    • big flavor said, on March 8, 2012 at 12:07 pm

      well than you should just go ahead and place your bet on the Dolphins thus ensuring it to be a losing bet……..

      • Del Mar Dennis said, on March 8, 2012 at 12:11 pm

        Jay Trotter: [dramatically crosses out the six horse on his racing form] You got a brother?
        Looney: In Cleveland.
        Jay Trotter: Call him up, ask him who he likes. I figure it’s in the blood!

    • twinfan1 said, on March 8, 2012 at 12:35 pm

      Forgetting Smith vs. Manning, you’re fucking delusional if you think Harbaugh’s ego would ever allow what he’d have to do-turn the offense over to Manning.

  18. Kevin said, on March 8, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Ah, I am late with the Manning report, Billick states that Peyton will go to a AFC team, he does not want to face Eli in the playoffs. The Niners are not going to sign an aging QB whose numbers have been declining over the last 3 years. and Billick states that the Niners HC and GM are two of the best football minds in the league right now. Manning is never going to be a Niner

    • TedSpe said, on March 8, 2012 at 12:32 pm

      His numbers were pretty steady *last* year

  19. DJLoo said, on March 8, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    I loved Billick. Wonder why him and Fassel can’t get jobs….

  20. twinfan1 said, on March 8, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    I’m starting to wish they did sign Manning so they can get the 8-8 record everyone prayed for this year…

  21. Alleykat said, on March 8, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Flav….If you take a poll on who plays more games this year,Posey or Mauer,i would bank on Posey,and that’s with Mauer’s extra luxury of DH.
    Like your pick of Upton,expect a big.year.
    Another guy i don’t know what round he was drafted and i predict a Monster year is Mike Stanton he has unreal power to all fields.I predict 45 HR’ 115-120 RBI’s.

    • big flavor said, on March 8, 2012 at 1:02 pm

      he’s going late round 2 and that’s too early. Jay Bruce will give you similar numbers and he’s going 2 rounds later. And I had both of them last year so I’m quite familiar with them

    • snarkk said, on March 8, 2012 at 2:05 pm

      Stanton is a beast. If the Giants had that guy, the Giants could no doubt reserve a playoff parking space right now…

      • twinfan1 said, on March 8, 2012 at 2:23 pm

        Stanton is indeed a beast- .262 BA/.356 OBP/.893 OPS/wOBA .358
        Almost as beastly as Pablo…
        Sandoval .315 BA/.357 OBP/.909 OPS/wOBA .379

      • big flavor said, on March 8, 2012 at 2:52 pm

        Stanton hits home runs a mile. BUt he doesn’t hit for average or steal bases. He’s not worth a 2nd round pick, in my opinion

      • snarkk said, on March 8, 2012 at 3:04 pm

        He’ll go nuts in that new Miami ballpark this year. Probably hit 40+ HRs. Giants could use his power int he lineup. My comment was certainly not assuming he’d replace Panda, if that’s the point being made. He’d be a welcome power addition to the OF…

      • twinfan1 said, on March 8, 2012 at 3:16 pm

        The only point was that we have a guy who is consistently overlooked even here. I seriously doubt that it was known that our beast outhit Stanton in every category except HRs, and that’s pretty darn close based on HR per AB.

      • twinfan1 said, on March 8, 2012 at 4:28 pm

        Zumie actually thought that Panda put up his 2009 numbers in Fresno…fact is, with Pablo about to become a Gold Glove defender this year, it’s a fucking joke that Posey or anybody else is considered more valuable to the team. If he’s not considered the face of the franchise, Baer and whoever else pushes the concept, better learn that brown faces qualify…

      • Flavor said, on March 8, 2012 at 4:58 pm

        Posey and Panda are equally valuable to the franchise, in my opinion. And based off the number of Panda hats they peddle every game I think they’ve got the *market Pablo* thing going too……..

      • twinfan1 said, on March 8, 2012 at 5:19 pm

        I don’t see how Buster can be just as valuable until he puts up the numbers to justify it. The Posey who helped lead them to the WS was obviously more valuable than the Panda who had the poor year, but now it’s Pablo who is the man.

  22. DJLoo said, on March 8, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Reds are gonna make BIG noise this year. Mark it down.

    • big flavor said, on March 8, 2012 at 2:53 pm

      nothing controversial about that, I could see them having a big year, too…

  23. Flavor said, on March 8, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    And Snarkk, Stanton hardly needs a new park to *go nuts* in. He hits tape measure hr’s all the time. I could see either Bruce or Stanton leading the NL in HR’s this year. For my money, I’d probably bet on Bruce just cause he’s entering his peak performance years now while Stanton is still just a baby. Plus, I think Stanton has a lot more hype fueling his fame due to how big some of those hr’s are.
    Somewhere in last year’s threads early before the season started or right around opening day I predicted that either Bruce or Stanton would win the NL HR crown. They were near the top all year and ended up 5th and 8th, respectively. WIth Pujols and Fielder gone, either could win it this year…….

  24. Flavor said, on March 8, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    if anyone’s interested, here were the 2011 position player WAR leaders
    Kemp: 10
    Braun: 7.7
    Votto: 6.5
    Pablo: 6.1
    Tulo: 5.8
    Reyes: 5.8
    Stanton: 5.7
    McCutchen: 5.4
    Pujols: 5.2
    Fielder: 5.2

    I think if he stays healthy it would be a perfectly acceptable expectation that The Panda competes for the NL MVP this year……

  25. snarkk said, on March 8, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    I missed an earlier report by Baggs in early Feb that said Pill had a stress fracture in his hip discovered last September. Had no clue about that, I don’t remember Giants saying anything over the winter. That’s why he didn’t play any winter ball. Apparently OK now…

  26. Bozo said, on March 8, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Could you imagine the Panda. Posey and McCutchen in the same line up with our pitching? That would have been worth the price of admission in my book. The Pirates may have over paid for McCutchen (only time will tell) but damn, I’d love to have that guy on the team.

    • Flavor said, on March 8, 2012 at 5:34 pm

      they didn’t overpay at all, they just bought out his arbitration years….

  27. Alleykat said, on March 8, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Stanton’s first 2yr HR total crushes Bruce 56 to 42 Bruce has an even 100 after his 4th year,Stanton will have that many after 3.No wayBruce keeps up with him in power and RBI production.It’s the baby bull Stanton who will dominate the league for years to come.He is really gonna smoke in that new park.Book It!

  28. Flavor said, on March 8, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    Alley— very few people think Stanton ISN’T going to be a huge HR guy for years to come. You aren’t predicting shit. The dude talking about Stanton was ME last year, when I drafted him in round 7…..All I’m saying is that I think Stanton in round 2 is a waste and, if I had to take an HR/no BA/no speed guy I’d probably go Bruce in 4.
    Though Pablo in 4 (which is where I took him in the draft I posted) will outperform both of them (at least across the 5 batting metrics measured)………

  29. Flavor said, on March 8, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    To be clear, I think Stanton is going to have a huge year. I predicted the same thing BEFORE last season when many casual fans didn’t even know who he was.
    I was speaking strictly from a drafting point of view. Bruce and Stanton are basically the same guy and I wouldn’t take *the same guy* in round two when I could get the other *same guy* in round 4. Could Stanton hit more HRs than Bruce this year? Sure. I could see them going 35-40 either way…
    But as I said, i passed on both and took Panda in round 4 (he’s been going in 6)…..
    Big power always gets overrated in drafts and those guys get taken too early when they given you nothing but HR’s and RBI’s. Their runs can be found elsewhere later in a draft and their batting average and stolen bases are drags on your team……….
    And don’t get tricked into thinking the Marlins new park is going to favor hitters. I think it’s going to favor pitchers and be very much like AT&T….
    Not that this will affect Stanton much, his bombs go out in any park…….

  30. twinfan1 said, on March 8, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    I had no idea that Stanton’s real name was Giancarlo Cruz Mike Stanton…

  31. Alleykat said, on March 8, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Flav, I can see your point.Your fantasy lfeagur combines all categorys right?Avg,HR,RBI,SB,Runs etc..
    So i could see where you would want more flexiblity in your picks.
    I was in one league, where it was all offense.You pick like 10 HR hitters Al or NL plus 3 reserves thatcould only be added at AS break.Top 10 BA guys,Plus reserves,RBI etc.You could all pick Lets say Frank Thomas,but only in one category HR’s,BA,are RBI’s.
    Pitching was just total wins top 10 guys and reserves,Strikeouts Top 10and reserves.Gets tricky cause you have lets say Randy Johnson in his prime Strikeout a zillion batters,but could also get you a 20 win season in the win category.It’s really all about your own hunch of a hitter or pitcher who might explode that no one else takes that decided the league i was in.

  32. zumie said, on March 8, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    “Zumie actually thought that Panda put up his 2009 numbers in Fresno”

    That’s not true. It’s more a case of the 2010 season kind of wiping his 2009 numbers from my memory, at the moment that I wrote about it, which might have been when I was real tired.
    Regardless of what TF thinks, I like Pablo a lot. And I don’t dig TF trying to turn it into a racial issue. That’s completely bogus.

    • snarkk said, on March 8, 2012 at 11:38 pm

      Yeah, I noticed that, too. I don’t bite on that stuff anymore…

  33. blade3colorado said, on March 8, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Flav, speaking of Fantasy League, when does the draft start for the Flap? Also, when are you going to send out the notification for acceptance into the league. Count me in . . .

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on March 8, 2012 at 10:31 pm

      Blade, if you promise not to inundate me and the others with a gazillion trade offers throughout this year I’ll give you the rights to my 1st rd draft pick in our upcoming Flap Fantasy Draft. Deal? Good. That was mighty white of me. Oh wait, I just remembered: I’m NO Whitey.

  34. Alleykat said, on March 8, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    My favorite league was the total points for the season.That was a regular draft with my friends,all day cigar and drinking event.
    That was where every category was important,runs,hits,RBI’s,SB etc
    Pitching was a huge plus to your point total,for example…Here was a pitchers breakdown 5 pts for a win,5pts for shutout,3 pts for CG.Then you add up points 9 innings pitched against hits let say 3,another 6pts,K’s against walks,let.s say a dominating performance 14 K’s 1 walk another 13 pts Plus 9innings against runs allowed in this case 9 more cause no runs allowed and you just got your self 41 points in that start.Of course it was probably Johnson or Clemens you drafted early that made that cigar taste better.


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