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When a Spring Training Batting Average is Something to Worry About

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on March 23, 2012

Yes, spring training batting averages are mostly meaningless. I don’t hold *bad ones* against a player if that player has proven that he can hit major league pitching. And if he’s too young or inexperienced, that’s another reason to give a hitter a free pass on their Arizona batting averages.

A lingering injury can also be a decent enough excuse (see: Schierholtz, Nate).

But at some point in a spring, you have to say to yourself, “if this guy can’t hit those guys I don’t want to see what they would do at the mlb level….”

We’ve got 5 guys in camp right now who are teetering on the brink of *spring batting average incompetence*……..

1) Brett Pill. Everyone seems to love themselves some Pill because of this *right handed power stick off the bench* that we need so badly. Well, he’s hitting .267 this spring. That’s right around his career minor league average (.279). At some point it might start becoming painfully obvious why this guy vanished on the prospect chart. But we’re desperate for his perceived bat off the bench so……

2) Coner Gillaspe. He’s hitting .207 this spring and while no one considers him a short or long term option at third base he is still a good reminder of what’s behind Pablo Sandoval should he get hurt. Yikes…….

3) Number 3 is sort of a hybrid of futility. Stew/Whitey have a combined OPS this spring of .1186. That’s still short of the .1266 OPS that Hector’s put up all by his lonesome……

4) Justin Christian. He’s hitting .214. I know he had a decent year in the minors last year and got a quick look in SF last September, but if this dude is anything more than AAA outfield depth, we are in trouble….

What’s scary about this list of 5 guys is that 2 of them will almost certainly be on the roster on Opening Day. Since NONE of them can hit, even 40% of this futility is something to worry about……….

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  1. Bozo said, on March 23, 2012 at 6:35 am

    With the Franchez health question and the Crawfish bat question I expect to see Font and Burriss added to the roster. Pill has options so I imagine he’ll be doing the Fresno bounce.

    Snarkk- We went over Font’s contract quite a bit back in January. It is NOT guaranteed. Like Theriot it is only guaranteed if they are still on the team after 3/29. Here is an update to the link you provided last night.

    • blade3colorado said, on March 23, 2012 at 7:44 am

      Good analysis Bozo. Additionally, I thought the same thing about Font’s contract too (I think PaulinAsia said something similar last night).

  2. Alleykat said, on March 23, 2012 at 7:19 am

    Only 1 of these 5 should make the team and that’s Pill.He still batted .300 when called up,with power and production.2 bombs,doubles,9 RBI.s in 50 AB for a nice impressive 1 in less then 6 AB’s.He can handle ML pitching IMO.
    The rest of these “Banjo” hitters cannot.Gilliapie is just a wasted draft pick and a.terrible fielder.Scouts thought he would be another Robin Ventura type player,yeah right,he couldn’t hold his jock in talent.
    Theriot should be on this list now.He is nowhere near the scrappy player that Fontenot is.And he can only play 2B,where Fonts and now Burris will man multiple postions on the infield.

    • twinfan1 said, on March 23, 2012 at 8:15 am

      See Bowker just for starters. Why you and others persist in makinng a BFD over 50 AB is ridiculous- as I’ve said, he might get a chance, just long enough to prove what I said couple years ago-he’s not a prospect.

  3. willieD said, on March 23, 2012 at 7:22 am

    Jenkins had an article last week about the home grown Giants and the potential for an entire home grown team, PS and more imp position players. I’ll believe it when I see it, or when they can perform at mlb level competence. What I see now is Pablo Posey and Belt –plus the strictly average Nate and a bunch of others at replacement level, if that. Every other starter was brought in or cost us someone in a deal, not to mention Beltran, who cost us someone and is not here.

  4. twinfan1 said, on March 23, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Christian and Gillaspie aren’t going to be on the team, and weren’t going to be..
    And none of these batting averages are anything to worry about- in fact, they’re encouraging because they’re not tempting anyone into making a terrible mistake by keeping them- they are not major leaguers. The only exceptions are Alponse and Gaston ,it doesn’t matter what they hit- one, IMO Stewart, will make the team until Hector is deemed ready (it will be soon) but the Stew/Whitey batting figures are of no corncern at all- and would’t mean anything if they were good, either. They can’t hit, they won’t hit ( they have about two decades of futility to prove it), and Bochy knows they won’t hit…
    Pavlovic says “who is really getting better and better in workouts as the spring goes on? Conor Gillaspie, that’s who.”
    Great, he’s a good worker outer..

  5. St said, on March 23, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Assumed Pablo’s weight was no longer an issue, so surprised to read this from Henry today.

    “Bochy had an interesting comment after the game, noting that the Panda might be fatigued when the games start after all the conditioning work the training staff is putting him through “trying to get him where we want him to be.” Just one more sign that that club wants to see him lose more weight before the season begins.

    Bochy said Sandoval is “real close.”

  6. willieD said, on March 23, 2012 at 9:01 am

    Again, looking at what we have today, you have to give credit to Sabes for bringing in all the guys that helped win it in 2010: F Sanchez, Huff, Uribe, Rent, Burrell, Ross , Torres and Affledt Lopez Ramirez Mota in the pen. He gathered all these guys from different orgs,, a lot of whom were not highly thought of at the time and very available to any GM in baseball.
    He gets a lot of heat, not undeserved, but he did build a winner primarily off sound pitching draft and development and bringing in players to fill holes when the system could not. I still see some holes out there, so we’ll see how he approaches it.
    F-G had an article about the effect of adding a WC, gist of it being moves in off season would be more imp, b/c with more teams in the hunt for more spots, mid-season deal would be harder to pull off. Less teams dumping off, less guys available, bigger fight for who is out there.

  7. twinfan1 said, on March 23, 2012 at 9:22 am

    I’m unclear on what he gets this deserved heat for. Last year? Unless they miss the playoffs again ( they won’t), there’s not much to bitch about unless one was still reliving the Nathan trade.

  8. Nipper said, on March 23, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Be Happy!

  9. Nipper said, on March 23, 2012 at 9:34 am

    ST batting averages mean little.

    • twinfan1 said, on March 23, 2012 at 10:04 am

      If they’re bad ( ST numbers) and you don’t like the guy to begin with, they are extremely meaningful. If they’re good and you don’t like the guy, they are utterly meaningless…

      • Nipper said, on March 23, 2012 at 10:38 am


      • shaman138 said, on March 23, 2012 at 1:43 pm

        If you’re soph/ninerjim1 any bad performance by any player on the Giants is an immediate sign of the end of the world….any good performance and Jim is MIA, probably passed out on his trailer’s porch from too much Steel Reserve.

  10. St said, on March 23, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    All ye Rowand haters can rejoice. He’s at .121/.194/.152 respectively. Yeow! I don’t know how Ozzie can spin those kind of numbers.

    • Flavor said, on March 23, 2012 at 12:23 pm

      here’s what Guillen said when they asked him about Rowand’s *track record* :
      “The past is the past. If you go by the past, I should still be playing. For whatever we need for the ballclub, we’re going to pick the right guys who we think should be on the club.”
      that’s actually pretty funny.

      • blade3colorado said, on March 23, 2012 at 12:40 pm

        I love Ozzie. You know what he said about Ramirez, when he was complaining about Reyes taking his job as short stop?

        “Hey, Reyes is a great short stop . . . Don’t get upset. Get pissed if you find out that I am taking over the position of short stop, not Reyes.”

    • twinfan1 said, on March 23, 2012 at 2:32 pm

      He’s down to .108. Ozzie is sure giving him every chance, with 37 AB. Cousins is one of his rivals, Cousins is at .147 in 34 AB, with zero RBI and15 strike outs (Rowand has 8 Ks, 2 RBI).
      It’s a Battle Royale..

  11. eddacker said, on March 23, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Boone, an analysis on baseball tonight, whose wife is a documentary actress, says, “the Giants need to be bold and run Belt out there everyday; see what he does with 500 abs. He was a rookie last year, but this year he looks ready.”

    so there is our secret ST champion, no?

    • Alleykat said, on March 23, 2012 at 2:26 pm

      Hey im all for it Edd.Just try and convince Bochy.

      • twinfan1 said, on March 23, 2012 at 2:59 pm

        Kat, how many MLB ABs do you think Belt will get this year?

    • TedSpe said, on March 23, 2012 at 2:43 pm

      What in heaven’s name is a “documentary actress”?

  12. twinfan1 said, on March 23, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    A porn star?

    • TedSpe said, on March 23, 2012 at 2:56 pm

      Ahhh. So that’s what the kids call them these days

  13. zumie said, on March 23, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    Pill hit a “game-changing” type of homerun against Cleveland the other day. He’s still an intriguing player. He could take on a kind of poor-man’s Pat Burrell role, for late inning righthanded PH duty.

  14. DJLoo said, on March 23, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    What if a guy is still hitting in the latter stages of Spring Training? By that time most of the scrubs have been weeded out and the starting staff is going much longer. What do y’all think of that?

    • unca_chuck said, on March 23, 2012 at 5:00 pm

      Late, early, it’s still spring . . .

      • DJLoo said, on March 23, 2012 at 6:14 pm

        Nice analysis!

  15. DJLoo said, on March 23, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Guys like this fascinate me:


    One career homer.
    Off Koufax, naturally.

    • willieD said, on March 23, 2012 at 6:01 pm

      I got a card of Danny Napoleon when i was a kid, with some quote from Stengel on the back, after he had some gwrbi for the less than amazings. I don’t think he lasted another month.

  16. twinfan1 said, on March 23, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    Then was a 19th century utility player, who played two years, with no Hr, an OBP of .205.. terrible fielder, too. Fielding percentage of .754 at SS.. big deal, you say? There have been lots of crummy players?
    Yeah, but only one named “Tony Suck”…

  17. Flavor said, on March 23, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    my favorite thing about that dude is that he changed his name to that. He was born “Charles Anthony Zuck”

    • James said, on March 23, 2012 at 8:46 pm

      There was a time when it was better to suck than to be recognized as Jewish.

  18. twinfan1 said, on March 23, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    Well, I didn”t see that. I guess you guys can just call me ‘Mike Suck”.. oh, you do already? alritey then..

  19. blade3colorado said, on March 23, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    I AM SO READY FOR BASEBALL SEASON . . . About to win my fifth championship (my 2nd in basketball) in Fantasy Leagues, since the King (Flavster) introduced me to FL Baseball in 2010. I’m up by an insurmountable 10-11 points and am already transitioning to full baseball mode.

    I can tell everyone else is too . . . The posts at the Flap have gone down again, i.e., spring training stats have been sliced and diced 7 ways from Sunday. Quite frankly, not too much more to dissect.

    Couple all of the above, with our Flap league ready to draft on Sunday; Flav putting dollar signs in my head regarding a fantasy baseball league where you can win thousands of dollars; and, the Giants about to close camp . . . Well,


  20. Del Mar Dennis said, on March 23, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Bum looking sharp again this spring. Who’s gonna get’em in our fantasy league? His ADP is 84.
    Dollars to donuts he goes sooner than that. I could go for a donut right now. Think I’ll settle for pizza.

    • blade3colorado said, on March 23, 2012 at 8:21 pm

      In one of my leagues, I have this trade on the table Dennis . . . Me trading Richie Weeks (83) and Tommy Hanson (96) for Bumgarner (79) and Dustin Ackley (135). Hoping that the guy bites because of Weeks (whom I dislike due to him being injury prone).

  21. ewisco said, on March 23, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    is it April 6 yet?

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