A Place To Talk About Giants Baseball

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on March 24, 2012

I was disappointed, along with probably most of you, to see that Joe Torre has taken back his job working as Executive VP of Baseball Operations for major league baseball. That job lay dormant and unfilled while Torre tried unsuccessfully to buy the Dodgers. It’s a super critical job that as far as I can tell has no duties and no expectations and a fat salary. The only time I’ve EVER heard the job referenced before was when we got to listen to Torre’s idiotic response for why he wouldn’t even pass the possibility of a home plate collision rule change on to the rules committee. That smug-fuck could barely contain his derision of Bochy who had been logically pushing for at least a discussion of a rule change. My #1 Pacific Northwest Flapper “Bird Dog” sent me this photo. I’ve posted it before but it is much more dramatic when you add in the lines. Posey was blocking the plate? My ass:

I’m sure Torre would get a kick out of this picture, probably calling Posey a pussy at least 3 or 4 times…..

Yesterday, Buster had his first play at the plate since the accident. I didn’t see it, but it sounds like he is doing as instructed, going with some absurd swipe tag. My gut tells me that at some point in the season his competitive fire takes over and he stands his ground on a home plate collision. Whatever the outcome is, I’m sure Torre will ignore it…….

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  1. ewisco said, on March 24, 2012 at 9:03 am

    the obvious point here (well, obvious to anyone but the deeply mentally challanged) is that he’s well outside the baseline and headed away from the base. if you did this at second you would be automatically out. so why is it ok at the plate? this is not a BASEBALL play, it’s a FOOTBALL play. it’s one thing to try and knock the ball out of the glove (a baseball play). It’s a whole other thing to try to knock the guy away from the ball. I argue with lunatic parents all the time as I’ve been coaching little league and pony baseball. so many of them think that metal spikes on 10 and 11 year olds and collisions at the plate are “part of the game”. “go be a swimmer” they shout at kids. truly appalling.

  2. willieD said, on March 24, 2012 at 9:12 am

    I usually tried the opposite move, sliding far to the outside and angling my body away from the C, and tried to just get my hand on a corner of bag, esp the plate to not give him anything to tag. didn’t see the play last night, but glad something like it happened in ST, so Posey can just play and not have this stuff in his head.
    Giants haven’t exactly been tearing cover off ball lately, tho Huff slammed one over CF head and Pill jerked one out, burriss 2 for 3. So who needs to be hitting well at this point, with so many jobs on the line? Or, like in the joke about two guys being chased by a lion, who needs to be doing better than the other guy?

  3. twinfan1 said, on March 24, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Buster *did* attempt a swipe tag. It was a bang-bang play and the runner was safe. If he “stood his ground” there would not have been a colliision, as Buster was not blocking the plate and Moreland was in the basepath. The play unfolded exactly as it should have if were there a rule.
    I’ll hope that Buster has brains to overrule his competitive fire..
    tag

    Example of non-approved swipe tag

  4. zumie said, on March 24, 2012 at 10:10 am

    The Giants hitting, and lack thereof, the last couple of games has to be a cold cup of water thrown in Sabean and Bochy’s face. I realize it’s mixed batting lineups and all. Still….the last two games were like the yuckiness we saw last year. Hopefully, a small aberration. If not, yikes.

  5. zumie said, on March 24, 2012 at 10:16 am

    As for Posey, Moreland could have still ran over Posey if he wanted to. There aren’t any rules against it. Yee haw! It’s the Wild West at homeplate! No rules! Run yourself over a catcher whenever you want to, by golly!

  6. Nipper said, on March 24, 2012 at 10:20 am

    ST will soon pass and then you guys can really get “concerned!”

    • zumie said, on March 24, 2012 at 10:26 am

      So, Nipper, what you’re saying is that none of this stuff we talk about matters, yet you read it all day, anyway. That makes a lot of sense.

      • eddacker said, on March 24, 2012 at 10:49 am

        Nipper makes sense, news at eleven.
        perfect sense, news at midnight

      • Nipper said, on March 24, 2012 at 2:36 pm

        You always matter, Zumie.

  7. Del Mar Dennis said, on March 24, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Jayson Stark is reporting that we’re shopping both Theriot and Fontenot. Phils and Braves might bite.
    They’d have to be awfully hungry — that’s some shitty bait.

    • Flavor said, on March 24, 2012 at 10:51 am

      Why the hell would we be shopping both of them? The GIants are that sold on Burriss’ spring training performance? Mistake.

  8. St said, on March 24, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Surprising they would shop both with Sanchez on the dl…maybe they have a deal for someone else.

    Maybe naive, but think after what happened to Buster, we’ll see less if any of the Cousins brand of sliding. At least Buster ought to be safe. Can’t imagine as a player wanting to collide with a guy who just got back in the game.
    Also think it’s p to the players themselves to push for a rule change. If they wanted this to happen, Torre and the other pidgeons wouldn’t have the power to stop it.

  9. Bozo said, on March 24, 2012 at 11:11 am

    I’m thinking Torre’s job is to give out the good and bad news to injured Catchers.
    Well son, I have some good news and bad news. The good news is they’re going to put a bunch of metal in your leg and you’ll be a human weathervane for the rest of your life. The bad news is, you’ll always get the pat down at the airport. Now suck it up and get out there.

  10. blade3colorado said, on March 24, 2012 at 11:30 am

    San Francisco manager Bruce Bochy said Friday the coaching staff has talked with outfielder Nate Schierholtz and his hold on the right-field position could be at risk, CSNBayArea.com reports. Schierholtz is hitting just .216 in Cactus League play and has just one extra-base hit over his past 10 games. “It’s all about production in this game,” Bochy said. “Last year, we had a difficult time putting runs on the board. We have to put the players out there who put runs on the board. … That’s not going to work. We’ve got to put our best team out there, our best offense. And that never stops.”

    • blade3colorado said, on March 24, 2012 at 11:46 am

      I posted this because the prevailing opinion often seems to reflect Bochy always leaning toward or favoring veterans . . . I find it bogus and mostly anecdotal.

      • twinfan1 said, on March 24, 2012 at 12:00 pm

        It’s how they get Huff and Belt in the LU. In my dumbass but humble opinion. BTW, I posted this before but want to reiterate- Belt will be the starting first basman- but with Kershaw going in the opener, he COULD sit that one out.

      • blade3colorado said, on March 24, 2012 at 12:07 pm

        Definitely not “dumbass” Mike.

  11. twinfan1 said, on March 24, 2012 at 11:31 am

    They can shop both, but just trade one, obviously.

  12. Del Mar Dennis said, on March 24, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Jon Miller just busted out the, “They show movies on flights like that” to describe Tulo’s HR.
    Knowing Jon’s penchant for ships, I’m gonna guess he was thinking “The Poseidon Adventure.”

  13. zumie said, on March 24, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Hard-to-watch moment in the Orioles game today. Dontrelle Willis, trying to make the Orioles squad, comes in and walks the first three batters. Ouch.
    —-
    Btw- Joba Chamberlain breaks his ankle bouncing on a trampoline with his kid? As Johnny Carson would say: “That’s some wild, wacky stuff.”

  14. zumie said, on March 24, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    That must have been quite a meeting with Nate. Bochy tells him: “You know that starting spot you never earned and we handed to you on a silver platter? You lost it.”

    • twinfan1 said, on March 24, 2012 at 2:33 pm

      Sounds about right. If we didn’t have a manager who would change his mind as the situation warrants it, we’d have an idiot running things.. this is why you don’t pay atttention to what Bochy or any other manager says…

      • Nipper said, on March 24, 2012 at 2:39 pm

        Yeah it’s the doing that counts not the saying….

      • Flavor said, on March 24, 2012 at 2:49 pm

        Well I guess I missed the part where he took the job away. He’s likely just doing his normal Bochy-speak to motivate Nate.

  15. blade3colorado said, on March 24, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    10822 adds and 50 drops (no idea who those idiots were) in Yahoo FL. Who dat? Sean Marshall, obtained from the Chicago Cubs in December, became a leading candidate for the Reds closer after Madson’s elbow turned into spaghetti.

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on March 24, 2012 at 2:44 pm

      I was idiot # 9,329. I p/u Marshall today. Marshall isn’t the leading candidate for the Reds closer job, he IS the Reds closer.

      • Del Mar Dennis said, on March 24, 2012 at 2:47 pm

        Question is, how far did you move Marshall up on your draft board?

        Sticking with STEALCASE in The Spiral. Good luck.

      • Flavor said, on March 24, 2012 at 2:58 pm

        I don’t know how far to move him up. As u know, these auto drafts, besides being for pussies, are fairly unpredictable. I’m curious to see what type of a team I get..

    • Flavor said, on March 24, 2012 at 2:47 pm

      He’s on every single one of my teams. I’ve drafted him in 22/23rd round every time. I’m bursting with excitement, there’s nothing better than a free closer!

      • blade3colorado said, on March 24, 2012 at 3:31 pm

        Got him yesterday when the count was less than half that. Not going to reveal if I even moved Marshal up . . . I did move that Madson down though. Him, Carpenter, and Utley are guarding the back gate (HAHAHA).

  16. Del Mar Dennis said, on March 24, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    A mixed bag for Hector Sanchez today. Hits his 4th HR of the spring, but he had a few shaky plays behind the dish. We know how much Bochy likes a C who play some D. and “call a good game.” I think he starts in Fresno. Or Bochy could get my panties in a bunch and carry 3 C’s to start the year.

  17. willieD said, on March 24, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Alluding to what I said earlier about guys maybe needing to show a little better, Miller just said Pagan is 9 for 47, 0-3 today with two groundouts and a soft fly out, and hasn’t hit the ball hard or squared one up in a while. Meanwhile, next pitch melk blasts one off the wall for a double. Hmmmn…sounds like Nate could have some company on that end of the bench the way Blanco is lighting things up.

  18. Del Mar Dennis said, on March 24, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    What’s the closer deal in KC? I p/u Greg Holland a few days ago when Soria got hurt. They’re not gonna give the job to that fat fuck Broxton, are they? But Baby Huey has looked sharp this spring. FWIW…

    • DJLoo said, on March 24, 2012 at 3:13 pm

      “Baby Huey” was Seattle Slew’s nickname. Can you believe its 35 years since his Triple Crown?

  19. twinfan1 said, on March 24, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Nate didn’t lose the RF job, he might lose it.

    • Flavor said, on March 24, 2012 at 4:09 pm

      and if he does, and both Belt and Huff are in the starting LU on opening day (I’m fine with Belt sitting against Kershaw, and then starting the next game) then I will bow down and give you ultimate props. It could be, as I said, Bochy just trying to light a fire under Nate.
      If he is, in fact, seriously considering moving Nate back to bench I’ll be happy about that since that’s where I think he belongs.
      I won’t understand why Bochy went out of his way to set his OF in December and say all those glowing things about Nate and how his time had arrived and all that shit. What was the point of that if he was going to let a bad ST shuffle him back to the bench?
      But if all that happens, I will happily say I don’t understand shit about Bruce Bochy…….

      • twinfan1 said, on March 24, 2012 at 4:19 pm

        I wasn’t trying to rekindle the discussion. You said you missed the part where Bochy took the job away. I just said he didn’t. I had and have zero intention of going over it again. We’ll find out soon enough.

      • St said, on March 24, 2012 at 4:58 pm

        I’m confused. Don’t we open against Az?

  20. twinfan1 said, on March 24, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Here’s Pavlovic’s take on the opening day roster.

    “ere are the guys who have been considered locks most of the spring:

    “Starting pitchers (4): Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner, Zito.

    Relief pitchers (6): Wilson, Lopez, Romo, Affeldt, Casilla, Mota.

    Catchers (1): Posey.

    Infielders (3): Sandoval, Crawford, Huff.

    Outfielders (4): Pagan, Cabrera, Schierholtz, Blanco.

    That’s 18 guys. Throw in a second catcher and Hensley (the clear favorite to be the seventh reliever) and you’re at 20.

    That leaves five spots, meaning, Burriss, Theriot, Fontenot, Pill and Belt all could make the team. And likely would if nothing changes. ”

    He thinks, as I do, that Burriss will be the second baseman. And I’m not ruling Hector out.

    What say youse guys?

    • Flavor said, on March 24, 2012 at 4:12 pm

      I’m against Burriss starting at 2nd unless they are ready to pull him with the quickest of triggers if he starts to go “old Manny” once the season starts. But Kruk has been tripping over himself on KNBR this spring saying Burriss looks bigger, different, like he belongs, etc so maybe they want to see if this spring’s performance is the result of a “new Manny” or if it’s just the same old spring training shit………

      • twinfan1 said, on March 24, 2012 at 4:56 pm

        When the alternatives are considered, I think Burriss makes total sense. And I’m sure that either Font or Theriot will be gone anyway. While we all talk about how ST performances don’t mean a lot….with the bubble players, ST performance is huge. Burriss, Pill, Blanco, and Hector earned a shot. Hector is still a long shot and I’ve never been a fan of Pill, but if he doesn’t at least get a chance, hard work and good results mean nothing. I think Snarrk mentioned McClain, and the comparison is valid. Scott never got a real chance, despite earning one. Wouldn’t like to see that happen to Brett…

    • Bozo said, on March 24, 2012 at 4:55 pm

      I think they’ll have an additional pitcher, probably Surkamp (goes to Fresno when Vogs gets back, might not even throw an inning) and Theriot will be gone. Burriss who is out of options, had a good spring will make it. Font can cover 3B if Panda needs a day off. Pill (w/options) will probably be the odd man out when Franchez comes off the DL. With both Huff and Belt on the 25, Nate goes to the bench with Blanco and Huff starts in left. Stew makes it as the 2nd catcher, Whiteside does a Crash Davis role with Hector in Fresno (Vern and Vera’s home for Catchers).
      That would be my guess anyway.

      • Bozo said, on March 24, 2012 at 5:05 pm

        So opening day would be
        Starters (5): Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner, Zito, Surkamp (probably won’t start a game).
        Relief pitchers (7): Wilson, Lopez, Romo, Affeldt, Casilla, Mota, Hensley.
        Catchers (2): Posey, Stew.
        Infielders (6): Sandoval, Crawford, Belt, Burriss, Pill, Font,
        OF (5): Huff, Melky, Angel, Nate and my man Blanco.
        .

      • TedSpe said, on March 24, 2012 at 5:35 pm

        I know, I can’t believe I’m typing this myself but…if they make Zito the #4 they may not have to DL Vogelsong

  21. St said, on March 24, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    Looks good to me Bozo. Might not keep Surkamp if he’s not going to be used. Instead, keep Hector around (as Baggardly suggested).

    • Bozo said, on March 24, 2012 at 5:55 pm

      Yeah St, makes sense to me but I have this sneaky feeling management doesn’t want to start the FA clock with Hector until they have to. And even with the off day, with Zit in the rotation, they still may need five starters.

      I hope I’m not sounding down on the roster. Because I don’t care who the bench is on Opening Day, I still feel this team is stronger than anyone else in our Division and if we need something going forward, Sabes will go out and get it. IMO.

  22. St said, on March 24, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    Heartening to see Posey in the lineup again and getting a couple of hits.

  23. Flavor said, on March 24, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    new post


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