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Ugly Loss. Swept in Arizona. Pissed Off In California……..

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on April 8, 2012

Now THAT one hurt. The strange thing is that I didn’t really feel this one slip away. Cain wasn’t pitching badly at all. It felt like he was pitching the way you are supposed to pitch with a 6-0 lead. Oops. The only questionable move (at the time, by me) was Bochy going to Affeldt instead of letting Cain pitch. He was at 97 pitches and pitching decently. I said earlier today that I wanted to see Cain go at least 7 to spare our bullpen, already overworked this year, with Zito looming tomorrow. Plus, the D-backs had two right handed hitters coming up after Kubel. Affeldt can’t get him and then all hell breaks loose. To be clear, I am not vociferously complaining about Bochy’s decision to pull him–just that I could have seen him leave him in and I would have been fine with that, regardless of the outcome…….

How much do you believe a tossed manager continues to manage from the locker room? Did Bochy seriously pinch hit Pill for Belt and then let fucking Crawford and Burriss bat for themselves? That move made no sense at all and I HOPE that was a *Wotus* decision.

Buster did not have a good game in the field. I watched that play at the plate three times, frame by fram in HD. To me, it looks like his foot was NEVER on the bag. And the throw wasn’t bad, it was slightly off target. Nothing that PULLED Posey off the bag. Also, Posey was completely over-matched in the 9th vs Shaw……..

Romo was the player of the game and gave us a chance to win it……

Pagan is on his last thread of rope with me…..

Right now, Belt to Fresno, Huff to first base and Blanco to CF full time (with Pagan in LF and Melky in RF OR Melky in LF and Nate in RF) is sounding pretty good right now. And yes I know it’s only been three games. This one was ugly. *Call for changes* ugly. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Bochy more visibly pissed off, as he should have been, after Crawford capped that 2 inning sequence with a butcher-job error. He even looked pretty good arguing, too, which he’s never put much energy into…….

0-3.

Zito tomorrow.

In Colorado…..

Tell NASA to get their satellites out of the way NOW unless they don’t mind baseballs banging into them in orbit…….

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  1. snarkk said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Put the knives back. Too early for slitting wrists. The team surely will score more than last year. Dotsgood.
    Zito may give the best start on the roadie so far.
    “May”…

    • Flavor said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:43 pm

      he *may* but what could you possibly point to that would suggest a decent start is looming? He is throwing the ball 81-82 right now with no location.

      • PawlieKokonuts said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:45 pm

        see below; maybe something in the lunar tides and magnetic jitterbugs of the celestial orbs w/ granola

  2. Del Mar Dennis said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Flav, I have a hard time believing Wotus made those decisions on his own. Tossed or not, managers still manage from the far reaches of the dugout, the clubhouse or back at the Marriott Hotel. Don’t even think about putting any blame on Ron Wotus.

    Our “Big Three” yielded 14 ER in 15 1/3 IP in Arizona. Those three should be made to walk the sandy desert like Moses.

    • blade3colorado said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:43 pm

      With Bobby Valentine, he doesn’t go anywhere . . . Just grabs his groucho mask and acts like nobody’s the wiser.

  3. twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    Posey is afraid of the plate. We saw it in ST snd we’re seeing it now..
    Too much is being made of “not adding on”..they had a 6 run lead and their new multimultimillionaire on the hill. This is on Cain as much as anyone…

    • Flavor said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:44 pm

      fuck that, Cain pitched the way you are supposed to pitch with a 6-0 lead. And then he doesn’t even get a chance to start the 7th. This is on Bochy’s decisions, the bullpen (minus Romo) and Posey. No one else……..

      • PawlieKokonuts said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:47 pm

        you can’t let Cain off the hook as if he didn’t give up those runs, especially those rockets, which are still travelling. Our SP has been terrible. It may/should get better, but they cannot be exonerated so flippantly

      • Flavor said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:51 pm

        fine, Cain share some of the blame. But when you’re up 6-0 you’re supposed to let ’em hit it. And he never got a chance to hold the lead because Bochy pulled him in the 7th.

      • twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:53 pm

        5 runs is not the way you’re supposed to pitch with any lead. The series loss is on the starting pitching.

      • ewisco said, on April 8, 2012 at 5:02 pm

        that last “fastball” to roberts? overbay? was 90 mph and right over the middle. It almost looked like he flipped it up there.

  4. PawlieKokonuts said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    I posted on the last thread. Who cares. UGLY loss is right. The defense is atrocious, just awful. And, Magnus, several here have said it: Buster can’t be a catcher if he is going to be that tentative. What a lousy game. Baseball is a strange game, though. Think WE are unhappy? Ask the Bosox and Yanks how they feel. Maybe the reverse-retro-mojo-juju vibe means Zito wins in a shutout in Colorado. As you know, I relish that stuff in my book. Hey, let’s veer into sci-fi. Go Giants! (I even cringed when they announced a Zito in the SU-Princeton lacrosse game yesterday.) p.s. I’m depressed AND angry about this one.

    • Flavor said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:47 pm

      Pawlie, your boy Valentine is going to be face down-ass up when they return to Boston if they don’t get something going in Toronto. I’ve always said it, managers that are *all about themselves* usually aren’t successful in the major leagues. It’s a hard job, you can’t spend all your time making it about *you*. That’s what that stupid groucho act was all about years ago.

      • PawlieKokonuts said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:49 pm

        Oh, I agree, Magnus, I agree. He is on a leash as short as my …..my….left pinky. The knives are already out, I’m sure. I’m being interviewed for WROR Boston tomorrow. I’ll have to take a different tone than I did for the Tampa stations, that’s for sure.

  5. Alleykat said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Shit on an easy force at home,their should never be a ? mark throw and stretch play,to me it’s on Panda,he’s been shaky from ST on with his throws.

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:51 pm

      good point . . . the throw was not a strike, shall we say

      TERRIBLE GAME

  6. ewisco said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    My 94 wins prediction is in tatters!! I’ll be at mid-span pondering the future 🙂

  7. irishman5574 said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    When Posey stretched for the ball caused him to go up on his toes, if he could have stayed flat footed his heel would have been on the plate. This is one of those games that if you manage with your emotions you make bad decisions IMO, three games does not mean you make wholesale changes. Granted the Defense was not spectacular, but then neither was the starting pitching. And the giants scored runs!!! I will reserve judgement on AZ and their offense when they come to AT&T. Home field, opening weekend, we will see.

  8. Flavor said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    I have watched that throw 15 times. It wasn’t perfect but it didn’t pull Posey off the plate–he was never on it……..

  9. unca_chuck said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Crawfords error, huffs dp, there plenty of blame to go around. On and on. Lots of crap. They scored runs though. belt and huff aren’t inspiring much hope. Bleeeeeh. SP has been lousy, but that park guarantees that.

  10. Del Mar Dennis said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    And I concur. If Bochy continues to instruct Buster to play like a pussy behind the plate, and if Posey acquiesces — then I guess I’ll have to change the name of my fantasy team to — Playing Catcher for the Giants is for Pussies.

  11. unca_chuck said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Colorado next. Let’s see how good bubbles is as the stopper. The pen gets an early workout….. Ugly ugly 7th.

    Hah!,,!!!

  12. twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Bochy instructed him, properly, to not block the plate- which should be outlawed anyway. He did not teach him to be a pussy, Buster did that on his own.

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on April 8, 2012 at 5:04 pm

      Whatever. His injury was unfortunate. They need to move on and “get back on the horse” so to speak.
      Whatever was told to Buster, or whatever is in his thought process needs to change. And it needs to change posthaste! If this is the way Buster is going to play catcher all year — well, I know a good shop at the mall that sells women skirts.

      • Flavor said, on April 8, 2012 at 5:09 pm

        I’m with Chuck on this, there was no play at the plate—nothing for him to be a pussy over. He just fucked up, plain and simple……..

  13. unca_chuck said, on April 8, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Posey thought he was on the plate. None of the views were definitive, so you have to think he thought he was there. Pussy play by Posey? He’s not feeling contact there.

    • Flavor said, on April 8, 2012 at 5:00 pm

      the only tiny bit of rope I will give him is that the plate isn’t a bag and you can’t feel it as easily. But he was never on the plate…….

      • Alleykat said, on April 8, 2012 at 5:10 pm

        You can go back and forth on that play all night.The bottom line it is an easy force play with an accurate throw which it wasn’t with “PLENTY” of time to make it one.Case Closed.

      • twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 5:18 pm

        It was a throw that was accurate enough to be an out. That’s why Buster got the error. Case closed *now*..

    • twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 5:15 pm

      He’s doing everything as far away from the runner as possible-that caused the errror. It wasn’t a perfect throw but good enough to get the out…
      But fuck that- as I’ve said, the starting pitchers are responsible for the series sweep..
      But I do want to know who was responsible for hitting for Belt and not Crawford and Burriss. This is THREE frigging games in. If they didn’t want Belt here they shouldn’t have him here. Pill? His fucking UPSIDE is what Huff did last year..I’m a Bochy guy but I’m not liking some of this year’s moves…

      • Flavor said, on April 8, 2012 at 5:19 pm

        Exactly. If you have Belt, Crawford and Burriss coming up why would you PH for the guy who is by far and away the best bat of the 3? Even if he gets on (which he did) you now have two joke bats coming up. If they’re going to use Pill as a PH then have a fucking plan for what happens after he gets a hit…….

      • twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 6:02 pm

        So Pill draws a walk ( a miracle in itself), and it’s tme for a pinch runner- OK, Angel.. uh oh…Nate..geez, no speed left on the bench…
        One correction, Craig- Lopez did his job, got what should have been a DP grounder to end the innng and maintain the lead.

  14. Flavor said, on April 8, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    this video is DEFINITIVE– Posey was never on the plate. The throw pulled his momentum away but his right foot wasn’t pulled. And it doesn’t matter anyway, his foot was never touching the plate. The ump was doing one thing, looking at his foot in relation to the plate. It was an easy force play there wasn’t anything else for him to look at. The throw didn’t cause this error……..

  15. Alleykat said, on April 8, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    Listen,after that play with Counsin’s last year the first thing Giants management did was instruct every minor league from AAA to below A ball to have their catchers to basically be “Pussies” and not block the plate and do freakin swipe tags that will not be effective.So we will look like pussies all year,so we might have well get use to it.But it will suck giving up runs that would be outs.

    • twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 6:06 pm

      Blocking the plate should be outlawed anyway. The swipe tag is no pussy play, pal. Sounds you like approve of a catcher becoming a paraplegic…

  16. unca_chuck said, on April 8, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    It was a force play. There wasn’t going to be contact. Posey thought he was on the bag. This has nothing to do with so called pussiness.

    • twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 6:23 pm

      Yes, it did. He was off the bag because he was ring to be as far away from the runner as possible. The fact that it was a force play doesn’t change that he’s flat scared of being back there.

  17. stixwiz said, on April 8, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    One thing i noticed last year and it came back in spades today is that this team does not have that ol’ killer instinct. We had em down six-zip. So-so innings-eater mop-up reliever comes in and shuts Giants hitters down for four innings. Ends up earning the W. No mercy should be shown even when you have a big lead ~ especially this season against the Snakes. Final score should have been something like 11-2.

    Like it or not, Flav, when Cain gave up that pair of bombs it was amply clear that he was gassed. Plenty of guys in that BP. Early season and even the Horse’s arm ain’t fully stretched out yet. Bochy, Righetti and Gardner should be on this shit like hawks.

    Not adding on those extra runs got everybody pressing, starting with Cain and then ultimately with the game-losing errors by two usually excellent defenders.

    • Flavor said, on April 8, 2012 at 6:21 pm

      Cain WAS NOT gassed. he was throwing 90 MPH 4 seamers in the 1st inning and 91 MHP 4-seamers in the 6th. The fact that we’re at the beginning of the season is less important after our bullpen was taxed in Game 1 and 2 AND the fact that we have Colorado and Zito looming tomorrow. I wanted to see Cain go 7 at least. He couldn’t have done any worse than Affeldt and Santiago.

    • twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 6:26 pm

      Again, they had a 6 run lead with the stud pitching. Fuck this crap about adding on. Cain and his assistant arsonists blew this game- NOT the offense.

  18. twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    All this nonsense about not blocking the plate being pussy is totally fucking brain dead thinking. All you people are doing is supporting home plate collisions that will one day result in death or paralysis. Part of any new rule that we all should hope will be implemented would give the runner exclusive rights to a path to the plate. Buster’s problem right now is not the proper instruction from Bochy- he’s yippy about being close to the plate under any circumstances. I’d think he’ll get over it but if macho collisions is your bag, you can always go the track and root for deadly crashes…

    • Flavor said, on April 8, 2012 at 6:23 pm

      I don’t see the *yip* part you’re referencing. The guy was out by 10_ feet, there was no runner to *yip* at. He just fucked up and started with his toe 2 inches or so off the plate. Pablo’s throw carried him a little bit towards first but his right toe did not drag or move. This was a case of Posey fucking up, not him being a pussy or reacting to a bad throw from Pablo (which it wasn’t)…….

  19. twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    It was seen in ST if anyone paid attention- it IS “yippiness” and having them has nothing to do with whether there might be a collision,. He was off the plate because he’s scared of it. Sure, he thought he was on it, but he was cheating as far as possible away from what he thought was the middle..

  20. zumie said, on April 8, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    They are who we thought they were, or were who we thought they are, or something like that, whatever that means….

  21. paulinasia said, on April 8, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    * Obviously there are some wrinkles in this “new” team, and since it’s only April 9th, I’m guessing they will iron ’em out. We’ve all already said that the starting lineup in May will probably look different.

    * Two teams were playing today. AZ played their game in their park, caught some breaks, and made it happen, all weekend. AZ fans are giddy now. I’m looking forward to us catching some giddiness when the Giants gel and solidify, which they will.

    * If, in fact, Posey is afraid of being back there, he’ll never say that. His complete silence after that play kind of confirms that. That’s a real potential problem if he can’t get his head around it soon.

    * Winning makes us all feel a helluva lot better than losing. That’s the only bad thing about this weekend… not really that they lost (because, that happens to every team, and you know this team will start winning), but because we fans digest the losses emotionally. The torture is all on the negative side so far, but surely some good torture will reveal itself soon.

    • Chico said, on April 8, 2012 at 7:17 pm

      Well said Paul.

  22. irishman5574 said, on April 8, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    Oh hell, all of a sudden if a catcher doesn’t his foot firmly in the middle of the plate he is a pussy??? You guys are all dumb asses. I posted on the last thread, a freeze frame of Poseys foot showed that if he had been flat footed he would have been on the fucking plate, up on his toes the heel come off the plate. If you want to go with your video that is fine. I am going with the freeze frame. It is three games in, this was a shitty way to start the season, but i am not quite ready to throw in the towel over 3 games or a missed play at the plate.

    • twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 7:42 pm

      Still being frightened since the injury doesn’t make him a bad person. One of my in-laws had a stroke that left her left side paralyzed. She was able to walk with the aid or a 4 prong cane, after a while.Then she had a fall and broke her hip, resulting in a full transplant. Even though she became stronger and was totally capable of walking again, she never did. The fear of another fall was too great. This an extreme example, but really it’s the same-and he would have made the out today if wasn’t cheating towards the infield.

  23. paulinasia said, on April 8, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    It’s a good argument that if Posey’s foot had been flat on the plate and he hadn’t been on his toes, then the runner would’ve been out. But in my mind’s eye, I’m trying to picture all the times any fielder, nevermind a catcher with a runner coming down the line, has his foot flat on the base or plate…. it ain’t often. If he’s going to just toe the plate, then. well.. his toes need to be on the plate. He goofed on that. Maybe it’s just a small adjustment to make, physically. Mentally, a bit more work.

    • zumie said, on April 8, 2012 at 7:06 pm

      I think part of it was he was obsessed with getting the doubleplay, and was worrying more about the throw to first. Posey messed up on another play trying to get the guy out at third. He needs to relax a little on defense, and just make the basic play, get the one out, and let the doubleplays come when they come, naturally. Stop trying to save the game on individual plays. That sounds like general rustiness, to me, from his not having played much in so long. His judgment on those plays is a little rusty.
      But, overall, it’s a thrill to see him looking healthy, and ready to have a fine season.

  24. zumie said, on April 8, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    It’s surprising for Giants fans these days to see three starting pitchers in a row get roughed up. That ballpark played very small this weekend. The Giants blew some chances to add to the 6 runs, and the D-Backs play with a lot of confidence in their ballpark, which is at it should be. The Giants play with a lot of confidence at AT&T.
    Zito in Colorado does give one pause. How many line-drives can we hope will be hit right at Giants’ defenders? We’re gonna need those.

  25. Nipper said, on April 8, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    Cheer up …..Zito says he’s ready!

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on April 8, 2012 at 7:21 pm

      Zito’s ready? So am I. And I’d like more ice this time…

  26. Chico said, on April 8, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    That one stung.. Hopefully Bochy getting ejected will light a fire under their asses. . . We’ll be alright, glass half full here.

  27. twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    There was a more obvious play in the A’s series when there was to be a bang-bang play at the plate, and he didn’t even hang in for an attempted swipe tag- he bailed on the play altogether, moving out and taking the throw a good 5 feet in front of the plate. Never tried for the out. It’s too bad Fosse had to be the one to report it, but he was right, Buster wanted no part of ANY play at the plate. Sorry to rain on Buster’s parade to Sainthood- but he needs to get over it or they might well just stick him at first for good.

    • Alleykat said, on April 8, 2012 at 7:58 pm

      Like I pointed out Twin,it’s a freakin organazation call,it’s not on Posey.Just call up Whitey if you want a human pinita,that’s the only way the ownership will allow a bang bang play.Bet all Giant catchers…Joseph,Susac,Sanchez,etc are all told the same.thing,avoid contact.Well guess what this is MLB and don’t expect other teams to act like pansies with their catchers or their runners coming home.

      • twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 8:06 pm

        Pay attention this time: the organization is correct to ask that their catchers not block the plate. That doesn’t have shit to with any of the plays in question. Your pansy crap makes it clear that you relish the kind of play that injured Posey.

  28. Del Mar Dennis said, on April 8, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    The Rockies are -165 O/U of 9 for tomorrow. I’ve kept Jhoulys Chacin on my Flap fantasy team for one reason… it’s the Rox Home Opener and wait, no, wait some more…he’s going up against Zito. This is going to be the easiest W I get for a SP all year.

    I’ll continue with my thoughts: when the Giants start Zito, we DESERVE to lose.
    Hope you all had a pleasant Easter. My neighbor brought over some ham, sweet potatoes and spinach.
    I wish this late supper would have complemented my earlier feast, but Mary Magdalene gave me the bum rush and left me to my lonesome with Frank.

    Happy Easter and wishing all you Flappers the best,

    Dennis and Frank

  29. irishman5574 said, on April 8, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    Well we all saw JT take the pitch to the head and he came back, maybe JT could reach out to Posey. Not exactly the same thing but what the hell couldn’t hurt.

  30. irishman5574 said, on April 8, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    Easter joy yes indeed, BBQ ribs and chicken, potatoe salad, crab and cream cheese wontons, and squid salad. All washed down with some Blue Moon. Can’t get off the couch but what the hell it was good.

  31. unca_chuck said, on April 8, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Whatever.Mike. The throw was to the 1st base side of the bag. And you DON’T catch that ball flat-footed if it’s anywhere but on target.

    You have no idea what’s going through Buster’s head. Don’t pretend to know.

  32. twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    I know from the evidence that he doesn’t want even the possibility of contact. I don’t have to know what he’s thinking.

  33. paulinasia said, on April 8, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Interesting how after 3 bad games by the starting pitchers, the end of the day discussion here is about Posey. I guess that’s because a) there’s not much more to say about the pitching, especially because we know it will be fine, and b) no, we don’t know what’s going thru Buster’s head, but I think we’re all guessing that SOMEthing is going thru his head, and it’s not his natural baseball instincts anymore. Sure, maybe the organization, as Kat said, is teaching all catchers to avoid big contact back there, but it seemed clear that Buster’s got something else going on. That is just NOT a mistake he makes before his injury. The look on his face after the safe call was kind of sheepish and befuddled; there was no “hey, my bad, shake it off”… He says he feels comfortable and feels good. Physically, that may be true. I’m guessing, being the young stud that he is, he will also get his head around it. In some ways, that play might have been the best thing; he now knows he can’t be timid back there, the team needs him to do his job. We’ll see how it goes over the next few games. I remember blowing out my knee playing first base in a fast-pitch softball game. Was very hesitant to play 1B again, shifted to second… 🙂

    • twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 8:35 pm

      Well, the Comcast crew wanted it all to be about Pablo- that group is all about the “faces of the franchise” and Pablo isn’t one of them. If I’m more critical of the “FOFs”, it’s because they get so little criticism no matter how badly they deserve it. Please, no “not me” crap, I’m not accusing any particular person. So yeah, it’s amusing- we’re mostly talking about Posey because, with one notable exception,we do know it was his error. Meanwhile , El Gordo Gomez gets the rap on TV. Someone else mentioned the location of the throw-dead perfect if Buster were to have any chance for a DP..

  34. twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    I don’t reecall addressing you today, Chuck. So you have no excuse to not be civil about it. It is my opinion that Posey exhibits signs of a guy who hasn’t finished the mental recovery from the collision. Why don’t you pick a fight with Kat, who wants more of those collisions..

    • Alleykat said, on April 8, 2012 at 8:48 pm

      Twin,im not looking to pick a fight on this issue.I might be old school when it comes to catchers,cause it’s been played the same way for generations , from Yogi to Freeh,Dietz,Scoisca,Bench,Hundley and hundreds more who would of just laughed at their managers if they suggested to just avoid any contact.

      Giants are basically saying home plate is free to any runners.The Home Plate Ump will have it easy in Giant games cause their is “No Catcher” at the plate,only a occasional swipe tag from way in front of the plate which a runner will easily beat to the outside corner.

  35. Chico said, on April 8, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Don’t know if this was linked here yet, but a good read.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/08/sports/baseball/ballpark-upbringing-creates-lifelong-fan.html?_r=1&ref=baseball

  36. blade3colorado said, on April 8, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Dennis, Chacin blows. When he made his final start of the spring in a Cactus League game against the Mariners – he allowed five runs on eight hits over four innings of work. The right-hander also walked two and struck out one while raising his spring ERA to 5.81. This is a nutshell was him last year too. Chacin will be the No. 5 starter for Colorado this season. Think about that for a second. COLORADO’S PITCHING STAFF SUCKS (with the possible exception of Nicasio).

    Chacin registered more than a strikeout per inning in his 2010 rookie season, but it was too good to be true, given his more pedestrian minor league rates. Sure enough, Chacin got fewer swings-and-misses in 2011, and his strikeout rate plunged to just under 7.0 batters per nine innings last year.

    Zito may not pitch good, but I am betting that Chacin gets lit up too. Besides, what kind of fan says their team “DESERVES” to lose?

    • twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 8:54 pm

      We heard it all last year, so brace yourself.

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on April 8, 2012 at 9:43 pm

      First off, Zito may not pitch “well,” and he won’t. Now you’re giving me Cactus League stats re Chacin? You’re searching buddy. Just for fun. You’re down to your last $1 tomorrow. Who do you place that wager on; Chacin or Zito?

      As a lifelong gambler, as I’ve stated many times, I never bet against my team. And it’s very possible that Barry could go 5 IP and still give up 5 ER and get the W the way we’re swinging the bats.

      My bet to you for tomorrow is: which SP has the better line; Zito or Chacin? I’m staking my fantasy team on Chacin. As my good friend Bill O’Reilly would inquire , “What say you?”

  37. snarkk said, on April 8, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    To me, the replays show Posey was flat never on the plate with his foot. Whether that’s because he’s a pussy, uh, well, I’ll call that arguable, at best, since he knew that was not going to be a contact play. Anyway, the loss is on Cain. He was given a 6-0 lead, and blew it. How many times in his Giant career has he gotten such an early lead? Once? Twice? Can’t be much more than that. I think Bochy would have pulled him before the roof caved in, but wanted to save the PEN for the Rocks series and especially for tomorrow and the Zitfest. Yes, it’s actually all Zito’s fault, even when HE isn’t on the mound himself…

    • twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 8:42 pm

      Being still frightened of contact doesn’t have anything to do with whether it was to be a contact play. Paul is explaining it better than I am and he’s such a gentle man, perhaps some of you will listen to him. Buster is not mentally ready to be back there…

  38. snarkk said, on April 8, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    How long before Blanco takes over starting CF from Pagan? A week? Tomorrow? It won’t be long if Pagan doesn’t snap out of his ST slump that’s continued into the first 3 games. Blanco’s catch today shows he can flash the leather in CF, too…

    • paulinasia said, on April 8, 2012 at 8:36 pm

      Might not be all that long before Bochy decides it’s not a slump that Pagan is going through… Blanco will play himself into the lineup, just as Torres eventually did in ’10.

  39. paulinasia said, on April 8, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Again, no player ever has his foot (heel, whatever) flat on the plate. You toe the bag or plate, or put the ball of your foot against the edge, whatever. Maybe Buster thought he was there, sometimes players misjudge where they are. But the throw did not pull him off, he just wasn’t there. And the look on his face showed that he knew that. He needs to adjust mentally, not there yet. Fortunately, he seems fine physically, granted at this early date.

  40. twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    I didn’t like Pagan from the get go, but it’s even more absurd to be bailing on him than it is with Belt. Unless there are issues beyond performance, Angel needs a bit more than 3 frigging games before writing his obit..

  41. twinfan1 said, on April 8, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Well- Good Morning, Vietnam and GNight America..
    BTW, Montrero, who didn’t seem snarky about it at all, thought the injury might have affected Posey (mentally) on the play.

  42. willieD said, on April 8, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    wow, glad I missed the end of this one, that must have been tough to watch (it was 6-2 when I took off). Didn’t see crawford error, but I did see the Bax make about 4 of them, and Flems on radio openly disparaged the condition of the IF as being not up to mlb standards. I don’t mean the AZ players, he was talking about the IF playing surface being hard and playing fast, and Miller agreed with him that a good fielder such as Hill looked bad on a ball he normally handles with ease.

  43. Del Mar Dennis said, on April 8, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    “Buster is not mentally ready to be back there…”

    I wholeheartedly agree. But I think the organization has contributed to his (pussy) way of thinking…I say let him play and fuck what consequences what may come. It’s baseball. Sometimes players get hurt. Oh well, and tough shit. I think his defensive catching has already crept into other aspects of his game as evidenced by his throws to 2B and the bunts/slow rollers at the dish.
    Don’t tell him “You can’t do this. Or you can’t do that.” Play ball.

  44. Pappy said, on April 8, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Jesus, he’s entitled to be a little F- rusty. Team loss again, pointing fingers is for wimps.

  45. Macdog said, on April 8, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Posey, Pablo, whoever, this one is mainly on Cain. “It felt like (Cain) was pitching the way you are supposed to pitch with a 6-0 lead.” I have to disagree there. With a 6-0 lead and one out in the 4th, he walked Montero. The D-Backs would score 2 runs. With a 6-2 lead and one out in the 6th, he again walked Montero. The D-Backs would get 3 runs. So that’s a walk with a 6-run lead and another walk with a 4-run lead, not exactly the way to maintain two big leads.

    And before we hand CF to Blanco, he struck out with a runner on third and one out in the 6th. Didn’t seem to matter much at the time with a 6-2 lead, but it sure came back to bite ’em.

    And when Pablo got hit in the 9th, did anyone else think there goes our best chance to tie or take the lead?

    I didn’t expect to say this so early in the season, but this was the first time where the Giants really missed Ramirez.

  46. Del Mar Dennis said, on April 8, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    Not depressed enough after getting swept by the Snakes to go 0-3?

    When Zito gets knocked around tomorrow it’ll be the first time we’ve started 0-4 since 1950.

    Tell the Easter Bunny to go shove that goose egg up his ass…

  47. Sportdude said, on April 8, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Not a pussy play by Posey. A DUMB one. He wasn’t avoiding contact. Just didn’t know where the plate was. A professional has to know where he is. A bad throw by Sandoval too. That close you have to make a good throw. Cain gets a lot of heat here. If ZITO blew 5 of 6 runs, and bullpen / defense blew the rest we would be killing him.

  48. Sportdude said, on April 8, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    If Zito goes 6 and gives up 5 he will have the best era of the starters..

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on April 8, 2012 at 10:10 pm

      And on that note… Santa just ran over the Easter Bunny with his sleigh…

  49. James said, on April 8, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    The pitching and defense are 0 and 3. Our catcher already has 3 errors, which is pretty remarkable. During any 3 game stretch, a couple of players will likely be “smoking pole” at the plate. Nice go see TF’s defense of Pagan, whom I’m also not a big fan of.

    Before this special day ends, a tribute to the trinity’s most charismatic member:

  50. Bozo said, on April 9, 2012 at 6:06 am

    I agree with Paulinasia. A player will normally take a throw with his foot touching a base not flat on it (unless you don’t mind being spiked). It looked to me like Posey was trying to position himself for a better angle for the throw to 1B. Having your back foot on your toes is to complete the throw for the double play (problem is, you have to get the lead runner). Is he a pussy or afraid of contact? I don’t know, but it looked to me like he just fucked up. What I’m more concerned about is the pitches that were hit like the AZ players were in T-Ball. Posey hasn’t called a game in a long time, are the pitchers 100% committed to the pitch calling? Is there a communication break down between catcher and pitcher? Is Posey giving away signs like he did when he first came up? This is what I’m more concerned about because the balls that were hit were teed off like they knew what was coming. The thing is, we are generating offense and what ever is going on with either the pitchers or pitcher/catcher should be ironed out soon. And when that happens, we’re going to kick some serious butt.

    Now Zito is another issue, just hope the air is light enough for his slurve to fool the Rocks.


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