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A New Start

Posted in Uncategorized by chipower9 on July 13, 2012

I think Flavor is in the queue, but I am going to throw this up just to get something going.

Second half starts tonight. Clean slate.

Does Tim bounce back in the second half?

What do you guys think about the rotation (MadBum, Tim, Cain, Zito, Vogey) for the second half?

Sabean and Bochy have both said that if Tim struggles against the Stros, that they may skip a start (this is the first for that talk from the honchos).

Tim against the Stros: 5-0 with a 1.14 ERA and 59 Ks in 55 and 1/3 innings…

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  1. PawlieKokonuts said, on July 13, 2012 at 8:57 am

    I tend to the doomerish view, so I’m uneasy about Tim’s second-half prospects, but may have to resort to my childhood combination of rosary beads, prayers in Latin, talismanic rituals, and sacrifices of virgins imported from exotic jungles.

    • chipower9 said, on July 13, 2012 at 8:58 am

      We’ve got your six is you need some help on those virginal sacrifices, Pawlie…

      You know…just wanting to help a brother out…

    • denniszu said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:10 am

      I’m not wasting any time… I’m starting the game with my rally cap on, wearing my lucky underwear backwards (that unintentionally happens occasionally anyways) and maybe wear my 2010 WS Championship banner around my shoulders all day (who the fuck cares what the neighbors think… hope that’s enough..

      • eddacker said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:32 am

        I am doing the same thing, except my 2010 WS sweatshrit will be tucked into my underware and every time I read timmeh will miss a start I will scream SF Giants 2012 Champs

  2. chipower9 said, on July 13, 2012 at 8:58 am

    I went back and read yesterday’s comments (after I had to bail )…

    Best Post of The Day – was seeing Stixwiz post again. Hope you are back regularly, my friend!

  3. unca_chuck said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:08 am

    One thing I’ll say is Bochy certainly didn’t want to put Tim and Bubbles back-to-back. Which is why Tim is 2 and not 3. Cain would have been 1 I suppose, but he got some ASG work.

    That being said, the order doesn’t really matter. Timmy is the key to all this. If they can somehow right his ship, they should be able to cruise to the west title. Especially with Bubbles being near the .500 mark. The Dogs will get healthy soon, and won’t go away quietly. AZ is catching fire as well.

    If Timmy keeps scuffling, our margin of error greatly decreases.

  4. twinfan1 said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:08 am

    You beat me to it, Chi. I was going to do a piece on “The Man Who Wouldn’t Get On the Bus”, Curt Flood…funny that we need one of two pitchers making something like 35-40 million between them to be a decent number 4 starter the rest of the way. In Zitos case, pitching as he has so far would be good enough- but can he? In Tim’s case- being as good as Zito has been would work. So there we go- the season could rest on two CY winners being, as Craig noted with Zito, “serviceable”…weird. Kind of like hoping Bonds and Kent can just somehow be as good as Fred Lewis and Ryan Theriot…

    • chipower9 said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:41 am

      Sorry Twin…keep that one in your pocket…sounds great. And growing-up a Card fan…Flood was one of my favorites.

      And LMAO on your analogy on Zito and Timmy, and especially the close (Bonds and Kent as good as Lewis and Theriot)…good stuff, Michael.

  5. ewisco said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:09 am

    atta babe cp9. my problem with TL is that he looks good for the most part. so he’s got the stuff, he just needs to get outs. is he focusing too much on the K? it seems like it’s either k or hit, often hard. there’s no repeated ground balls to short or flys to the outfield.

  6. unca_chuck said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:18 am

    And Timmy’s previous numbers mean nothing at this point.

    What I don’t get with Timmy is he misses high and right fairly consistently with his fastball. He never had this problem before. I ain’t no pitching coach, but it looks like he’s trying to hump it up, and it screws up his motion.

  7. dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:30 am

    It is strange chuck. Also wierd is how he has struggled out of the stretch. I seem to remember he went exclusively to the stretch during struggles in the past. Whatever it is I hope he turns it around.

  8. zumie said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:38 am

    Inexplicable MLB scheduling that had no games on Thursday after the All-Star break. I wonder if that’s ever happened before, and why did it happen this time? Is it a new policy or just a freak of the schedule-generating computer?
    A Wrigley day-game of high interest to Giants fans today, Cubs vs. D-Backs.

    • eddacker said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:41 am

      I read somewhere that is was an “idea” (experiment?) to give the asg players a chance to re-group.

  9. demp28 said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:39 am

    23.2 IP, 31 H, 16 R, 15 ER, 6 BB, 16 K, 1 HR, 5.70 ERA

    4.2 IP, 8 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 1 BB, 4 K

    The first pitching line was Timmy’s entire Spring Training totals. The second pitching line is from his final tune up before the regular season.
    While spring stats don’t mean squat, it’s pretty obvious Timmy was getting hit around early and often way back in March. Let’s hope Timmy found some good Seattle ganja to smoke during the break, stop overthinking while he’s on the mound, slow the game down if he has to, and throw the damn ball like he did in 2008, 09 and 10. Bring it!

    • chipower9 said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:53 am

      Hallelujah and a Fucking Amen, Brother!

      Time for Tim to jump into a goddamn phone booth and come out as the “Big Time Timmy Jim.”

  10. Alleykat said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Rotation should be:Bum,Cain,Zito,Vogy,Timmy

    • zumiee said, on July 13, 2012 at 10:06 am

      Timmy’s first start of the second half shouldn’t be in the heat of the East Coast summer

  11. unca_chuck said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Zumie, I know that in previous years, there were issues with starters pitching after the ASG on short rest, and teams complaining about it. I think they decided to give all the players an extra day off to alleviate this.

  12. unca_chuck said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Ahhh, didn’t see yer post, Eddddd

  13. DJLoo said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Everybody needs a break…don’t you?

    • zumiee said, on July 13, 2012 at 10:08 am

      Cronkite didn’t need breaks. They called him “Iron pants.”

  14. chipower9 said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Kat – I think they put Tim where they did so he would get a start at home, AND against the Stros (I posted his numbers against them earlier…he has had better success against them than just about any other team). If you staggered the rotation as you had it, Tim would be pitching on the road in Hot-Lanta…

    I agree with Chuck’s earlier post…”the order doesn’t really matter” (other than getting Tim his first start at home as opposed to on the road (where it is hot and humid).

    • TedSpe said, on July 13, 2012 at 10:04 am

      Well the order doesn’t really matter as long as Zito isn’t following Lincecum or vice-versa.
      And BTW, nice save, chi

  15. blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Weatherproof games: Indians at Blue Jays, Nationals at Marlins, Red Sox at Rays, Pirates at Brewers and Rangers at Mariners.

    Thunderstorms aren’t taking a break anymore, either, as the wet stuff is expected to hamper the return to action in Cincinnati, Atlanta, Kansas City and Minneapolis. Temperatures hovering around 90 degrees and clearer skies are on tap for Chicago, Baltimore, New York and Denver. Los Angeles will be its usual 85 and sunny, while up the coast in San Francisco, cooler weather prevails with a high of 68.

  16. twinfan1 said, on July 13, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Previous numbers can mean something for comparison purposes. For example, with two strikes, regardless of the number of balls, Tim is just as good as last year, .149 BAA this year, .148 last year. He’s getting killed with the batter ahead-.345 this year, .269 last year. Like everybody else I don’t have a definitive answer on his problems, but Kruk often talks about a pitcher who will always give the batter at least one pitch to hit- Tim seems to be one of those guys right now.

  17. chipower9 said, on July 13, 2012 at 10:39 am

    I know this is a tangent, but I wanted you Flappers’ take on this (snarkk posed it as a possibility a day or so ago). What do you think about the Giants going after Michael Bourn (Braves)?

    They have comparable lifetime stats, but Bourn is a couple years younger. (Bourn has quite a few more stolen bases). And they both have predominantly played CF. Here are their stat pages (Bourn first):

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bournmi01.shtml
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/paganan01.shtml

    Bourn made a bit more this year (6.845) vs about 4.8 for Pagan.

    There is quite a lot of quality OFer FAs next year, so I don’t know that Bourn’s price will “skyrocket.”

    Also, this is on the presumption that Sabes and crew go HARD for Melky (and re-sign him).

    Remember…Giants have about 30 mil coming off the books next year (Huff, Rowand and Sanchez)…

    • twinfan1 said, on July 13, 2012 at 10:51 am

      I say no, because I think Brown will be the CFer maybe even by the end of this year.. I know that no prospect is a gimmee, but I also know that you don’t block them. According to most scouting reports I’ve seen, his upside is more than Bourn’s .

      • unca_chuck said, on July 13, 2012 at 10:55 am

        Upside, schmupside. Pagan and Blanco can go bye-bye. Play Bourne and Brown (and Melky).

      • unca_chuck said, on July 13, 2012 at 10:56 am

        Or Blanco becomes OF #4.

      • demp28 said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:10 am

        I would agree to an extent with twinfan on not getting Bourn (although it would be great from a marketing standpoint. You know, “The Bourn (insert word)”). Who’s to say if the Giants traded Brown for Bourn and then Bourn gets hurt? You just lost your CF of the future. But what do I know?

    • blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:05 am

      Actually, snarkk might have gotten the idea from CBSSports.com Baseball Insider Jon Heyman, who reports the Giants are viewed as a likely free-agent destination for Braves All-Star outfielder Michael Bourn. There is believed to be no current talks with the Braves about their star center fielder, who is headed for free agency after the season. The Giants have shown interest in Bourn in the past, but the Braves are also believed to pursue re-signing the 29-year-old outfielder.

      Me? I agree with Twin for the reasons he gave regarding Brown, plus another one – Bourn is 29 and he is what Juan Pierre use to be. His value is entirely dependent on his ability to run, which can evaporate rather quickly at his age. See Chone Figgins. The other reason is cost – he is having the best season of his career this year and he is a free agent next year. That $6.8 million is going to inflate to at least $10 million next year. Moreover, as I said earlier, Atlanta likes him, so the cost (again) wont be cheap.

      • Macdog said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:11 am

        Hey Blade, thought you might be interested in this story about Trout:

        http://www.nj.com/ledger-bradley/index.ssf/2012/07/bradley_1.html

      • blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:16 am

        Thanks Macdog . . . Trout is astounding. since I have him on both of my FL teams (and also had him in his short call up last year), I know this guy inside out. The only reason I have a half ass chance in the Flap league is because of what he has done this year. Easily, he is a top 5-10 MLB player this year.

      • blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:22 am

        The article mentions a catch he made that I haven’t seen, i.e., stealing a home run where his upper torso is clearly above the fence line. Wow!

      • eddacker said, on July 13, 2012 at 12:50 pm

        Trout’s catch bumped blanco’s catch out of first place in the web gems midterm. Mostly because it robbed a home run and white shark only saved a perfect game. ESPN viewers love the over-the-wall home run robbers.
        It was a great leap, and perfectly timed

  18. unca_chuck said, on July 13, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Doi. I’m slow on the uptake today. I thought the Hou games were on the road. Which meant that I thought when Bochy said last week that they wanted to pitch Timmy at home, he was going to be 4th in the rotation.

    Maybe I DO need a break. Or the fucking heat here is driving mt bat-shit . . .

    • unca_chuck said, on July 13, 2012 at 10:41 am

      Well, not just today . . .

    • Irish Kevin said, on July 13, 2012 at 10:55 am

      Cooling off today. or you could go camping in Antarctica next year, the weather there is either in the 0-6 degrees or as low as -68 degrees in some areas. Sounds like fun…

      • blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:11 am

        I’m reading a horror/historical novel that came out approx. 5-7 years ago, called The Terror, about an 1850s era expedition to find the Northwest Passage. The two ships – that comprise the expedition – get stuck in winter ice . . . for 3 years and are terrorized by an unknown creature. Couple that with cannibalism and cold, where a balmy day is minus 50 degrees F. Exciting book . . . I was wondering if Zumie has read it????

  19. snarkk said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:09 am

    OK, so what happens if Tim gives up 4 runs in 6 innings against the ‘Stros and throws 110 pitches, 4 walks, etc., etc. That means he’s good to go against the league? I think it’s a mistake. They should have skipped him a start for the AS break so he’d have 10 days or so off to rest, get stronger, smoke dope (or quit), work on command, whatever. We’re assuming he’s going to either get shelled or do really well against Houston. He could look merely lousy and win, and then what?…

    • blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:12 am

      Every report I have read is that Bochy has him on a very short leash, i.e., I see him being pulled much quicker if the scenario you describe occurs.

    • chipower9 said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:14 am

      I don’t think you can make that call until you see what he has against the Stros. If he “gives them a chance to win” and doesn’t throw up all over himself, my guess is he keeps his spot in the rotation.

      • twinfan1 said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:31 am

        As mentioned earlier, at this point all they need is “serviceable” from him. They’re not getting better than that from any internal solution and I don’t see them trading him. I think Chi is right.

  20. chipower9 said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Well, there are quite a few FA OFers out there for 2013 (some big fish). I would still make a run at Bourn (whateverthefuck Atlanta does, notwithstanding), and try to sign him for 2 years and an option. And I would not offer him 10 mil per. I would offer 16 or 17 for two with an option (and I would be talking to Blanco and Pagan at the same time). Most effort would go to signing Melky. Hey, if Brown tears it up and makes the club next year, then Blanco (as Chuck said) is the 4th OFer, and you go Melky, Brown and Bourn.

    The team has the coin…I would at least turn over a few rocks to see what is there. To just say no, I would not check him out, I disagree (but that’s cool, we can agree to disagree).

    • twinfan1 said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:26 am

      I never have a problem with disagreement as long as it’s understood that I’m right 😉
      Doubt that they even consider Pagan- simply becaue the money he’ll want ( and get) is money better spent elsewhere. CHI, I see no way on heaven or Earth that Bourn is going for 2 w/ an option. This is when a player gets the best contract he’ll ever get ( with rare exceptions) – he’ll get 4 or 5 years from somebody…
      The preceding, as always, is IMHO..

      • chipower9 said, on July 13, 2012 at 1:09 pm

        You’re probably right, Michael (about him getting 4 or 5 from someone), and if that’s the case…let that ship sail.

        Now on the part about you always being right…we might have to have a discussion. 😉

        On a serious note, Twin…I appreciate you…I have probably learned more about the game of baseball from you more than any other one source.

        Now, just don’t let that go to your head! I always like to hear your perspective, even if I “think” you are wrong. 😉

  21. twinfan1 said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:17 am

    As long as we’re all presuming they sign Melky, Corey Hart definitely is in the picture. I like Melky/Brown/Hart best of all the configurations mentioned. We do have packages that don’t include Brown that should be enough to snag Hart.

    • snarkk said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:32 am

      Whatever they do in this offseason, the securing of some sort of long-term power bat has to be in that conversation. It would be nice if they got one now, before the deadline. I like the Bourn/Brown/Melky mix of ChiP, because I started it, 😉 and it makes sense for that huge yard. So, a power bat OFer added to that for platoon purposes would be welcome. You could still keep Blanco as the 5th OFer and PHer and PRer. I’m figuring Belt is still with SF and will blossom next season into more slugging, because he’ll have another 300+ ABs behind him including another stint of winter ball. The horrendous lack of power on this club has to be addressed in the offseason with at least one bat addition…

      • blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:50 am

        With Bourn, you have minimum – wait! Correction, you have less than minimum power. This guy only hit 2 HRs each of the last 2 years. He has 7 this year thus far. Average has been way south of .300 before last year. I think he is has peaked and whomever gets him, will be looking at his downside years IMO. Plus, after he gets his contract, dollars to donuts, you saw the last of those 50 plus steal years.

      • snarkk said, on July 13, 2012 at 1:21 pm

        Blade, Melky hit his stride last year and this, before he was nowhere in Atlanta. Now, the Giants should give him $75M or more over 5 years? No different from Bourn hitting his stride the last two seasons. Bourn takes Pagan’s spot, you get your power with another OF bat for platooning. If Brown is ready, they figure out the rotations in the OF…

  22. Alleykat said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Willingham still would look good in this LU.Maybe.even Matt Capps,just shortime if Casilla still struggles.Casilla goes back to the 7th inning with Affeldt ,Lopez and Romo 8th with.matchups.
    Twins would want prospects…Untouchables are Panik and Brown.Crick Blackburn,Josephs or Hector are not.Nate’s a throw in.

    • twinfan1 said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:36 am

      At 7 mill per year, 2 more years, I could definitely live with Willingham. I don’t know that they’re interested in moving him, though.

  23. stixwiz said, on July 13, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Tempting the Twins our of Willingham would require at least one young starting prospect. They are jonesing for starters. They might jump on Blackburn because he issues very few walks, a major organizational matter with Minnesota. My offer would be Crick. As a mid-A level pitcher he might still be amenable to focus on cutting down on the BB’s. Nate would package in. He might just prosper in Minneapolis and at least the Twins would get a temp fill-in for Willingham as well as the prospect. If they hemmed and hawed maybe someone like Culberson as a throw-in would help make their day. If they still dragged their feet, perhaps SP Kickham from Richmond instead of Culberson would do the trick. In that instance the ante could be upped once again with two of the AAAA’s from Fresno thrown in as well as Krick and Kickham and the Twins would need to add Matt Capps. Let the Twins GM figure he’s got Sabean over the barrel once again.

    Check back in the annals and you will note that more than once last year i was plumping for SF to pick up Willingham. A poster or two was concerned about his defense. One water buffalo with a pair of gazelles in the OF and another gazelle to take Willingham’s place at around the 6th or 7th might pass the mustard. Minnesota picked up the guy as a free agent during the off-season and though he has sparked their offense, their need for him to help win two or three more games this year is not as acute as a near desperation to rebuild a rotation, even if a couple years down the line.

    • twinfan1 said, on July 13, 2012 at 12:38 pm

      Flavor has also touted him, going back three or four years. I don’t know that anyone has really been against him, except, seemingly, Sabean. We don’t need a closer, IMO. BTW.

      • twinfan1 said, on July 13, 2012 at 12:46 pm

        Welcome back, Stix- agree or disagree, your posts are the best. Let me know if you still want to do anything about the PC.

  24. zumie said, on July 13, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Blade, I haven’t read “The Terror,” yet, but I have read some of Dan Simmons’ other novels and short stories. He’s a terrific writer.

    • blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 2:17 pm

      You will love it Zumie (when you get around to it). Quite long, but consistently holds your interest. I can’t give you the site (forgot the URL), but it was rated number 4 or 5 as “Best Horror Novel 2000-2012.”

  25. snarkk said, on July 13, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Blyleven said on the radio a few minutes ago that Willingham won’t be moved. He’s the Twinkies bcaster, but I hope he’s out of the loop. Yeah, Twins are in need of pitching, which we really don’t have any to give. BTW, Wheeler is now rated 14/50 by ESPN of top prospects in all the minors…

  26. eddacker said, on July 13, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    I don’t know a lot about these things, but I believe there are options out there and, while it is noto panic time, Sabean should do something. I mean both uptons, cuddyer, bourn, hart, scutaro (probably not much of an upgrade over the riot), even Dempster as a timmeh stand-in. Lots of talent available to move.

  27. eddacker said, on July 13, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    Have any of you seen the ‘Sports Science’ bits espn does? the ones where they show that if the ss had thrown the ball 10″ to the left or right it would have made a differrence whether the runner was safe or out.
    Today I saw them do Dickey’s knuckle ball. freaking amazing.

    • blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 2:46 pm

      Yes, I have seen those Ed and as you said, they are “freaking amazing.”

  28. chipower9 said, on July 13, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Blade – good point on power/Bourn…lack thereof.

    Stix – again, welcome back, and I agree with Mike…your posts are some of the absolute best. Good stuff…great knowledge of the minors. Hope to see you here, regularly. I like Willingham (and have also bantered his name about over the past few years…going back to when he was with the Nats), but I just don’t see the Twins moving him.

    Michael – re: Hart…he would be at least, if not more so, expensive than Bourn. But, he has the RH power that I think the club needs to add. The team just does not really have that guy who can come up in any AB and club one out of the yard to put them ahead or win the game.

    • twinfan1 said, on July 13, 2012 at 1:51 pm

      Hart is signed through next year at 10,000,000- it would cost about that or more for Bourn but for 4 years at least. I’m not wedded to Hart, Willingham, or anybody else other than he provide RH power.

      • chipower9 said, on July 13, 2012 at 2:01 pm

        Ah…I missed that small (but important) nugget of info (Hart signed through next year). So, the Brewers have a payroll of 98 mil and change this year. Including Hart’s 10 mil, they have 52 mil and change committed for next year. Given this, why would they want to move Hart? And it is not like the Giants have a ton of pieces with which to make a trade.

        I’m thinking FAs are probably the more realistic means for an upgrade.

    • blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 2:26 pm

      In fairness to snarkk, Bourn and Desmond Jennings were discussed earlier this year by Flav, Dennis and I . . . Basically, I was with Dennis initially, i.e., we both quoted an FL article that an ESPN writer wrote comparing the two, where Bourn was overwhelmingly favored by this writer. He had stats, etc., supporting his position.

      However, Flav provided information that discounted everything that the writer said. I wish I could access the article, but the bottom line is that Dennis (and this writer) were shown to be the better player (at least this year). Jennings has “sucked” and that’s only when he is off the DL. I held onto Jennings for a couple of months in another league I am in, before I waived his ass. In any event, if Dennis or Flav have a different version of this issue, by all means provide it.

      • blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 2:36 pm

        *showed Bourn to be the better player.

      • snarkk said, on July 13, 2012 at 2:36 pm

        I first agitated for getting Bourn last season. It doesn’t matter to me who’s for or not for him, or when they said it. The chance of the Giants getting him in the offseason as a FA is probably low, but he’s worth a discussion here, which has been the case, all with good points pro and con…

      • blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 2:42 pm

        “. . . he’s worth a discussion here, which has been the case, all with good points pro and con . . .”

        Yes, I absolutely agree with that.

      • Alleykat said, on July 13, 2012 at 3:21 pm

        Shit I was as all over Bourne as.well.Even called up Marty Lurie before the.deadline to talk about him.Wish I had Sabean on speed dial.
        Giants now say their interested in him this winter ad a F/A,just don’t see that happening ,should have bagged him last year at the deadline.
        And he still has plenty of speed,has the most SB’s in all of baseball the last 5yrs.

      • snarkk said, on July 13, 2012 at 3:30 pm

        Kat, don’t you know that Sabes doesn’t take calls?…

  29. Alleykat said, on July 13, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Not sure if it’s noteworthy but according to.Pro Sports.Daily,Gary.Brown was pulled from the game yesterday.
    AAA Bound? Been on a tear recently .458avg last 10 games.Average up to .288.

  30. demp28 said, on July 13, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Cubs/D-backs rained out today. Also, word is D-backs might want to move Upton.

    • blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 3:46 pm

      I don’t think so demp . . . I am tracking the game in my Flap league and they are playing as we speak.

      • Bozo said, on July 13, 2012 at 5:20 pm

        Well Blade, we didn’t get your morning weather report. So I guess we’ll have to start checking back in for the 5 o’clock report?

      • blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 5:26 pm

        See my 10:15am post . . . It was a bit late, but only because I didn’t see a new thread this morning, until I got back from the gym and saw that Chi had slapped one up.

      • Bozo said, on July 13, 2012 at 5:44 pm

        OK Blade, but that really screws up when I need to get the weather. You know, crops and all.
        Insert one of those happy face dudes here.

      • blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 6:10 pm

        hehehe . . . I will be more diligent in the future. By the by, Clowns farm?

      • Bozo said, on July 13, 2012 at 7:29 pm

        Farm? Hell yeah, just drop the L and the N and you have cows. Cows with a size 20 hoof.

  31. blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    You guys living in the SF bay area would know if this was a mistake by Mark Appel and his agent Scott Boras . . . Both thought he was worth more than the $3.8 million the Pittsburgh Pirates were reportedly offering him to sign. They’re so confident, in fact, that they’re willing to wait a year to find out. The Stanford pitcher is heading back to school for his senior season after he and the Pirates failed to come to an agreement before Friday afternoon’s signing deadline for picks from last month’s MLB amateur draft. Appel was the only one of 31 first-round picks to not sign a contract.

    Any opinions? Personally, I think if this guy came from anywhere else (college or high school) other than Stanford, that might be a mistake. Couple that with the fact, I dislike Boras, even more so . . . However, since he does have his Stanford education to fall back on, it’s not like that is a bad “Plan B,” so I can’t really fault him.

  32. unca_chuck said, on July 13, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Anyone turning down that kind of money has to be a little screwy, or have a douchebag for an agent (huh, it was Scott Boras for JD as well. Uncanny). JD Drew is a case in point. The guy was supposedly God’s gift to baseball, but he’s now an underwhelming FA who commands way too much money. His brother Stephen is a better player these days. JD’s pretty much pissed off and blown off every team he’s played for.

    Course, this doesn’t mean anything in the case of Appel, and the Giants were close to ending up in this boat with Buster Posey, but I’d be leery of giving a college pitcher that much coin out of the chute. I mean, what if Appel blows his arm out in his senior year at Stanford? It’s a risk either way, but turning down nearly $4 mill is among the dumber things to do. He’s pulling a Michael Crabtree. He (or Boras) thinks he should have been drafted higher, therefore he ‘deserves’ more money.

  33. unca_chuck said, on July 13, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Correct me if I;m wrong, but Pittsburgh now had no rights to Appel whatsoever, right? I know JD went back into the pool with the next group of guys, and StL got him instead of the Phillies who drafted him the year before.

    This would apply to Appel, I’d think.

    • blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 4:37 pm

      Right . . . They have no rights on him.

  34. Flavor said, on July 13, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    Hey Chi—thanks for being proactive and slapping a thread up. I just found out a few minutes ago that today was my day. I had thought I was Sat and some things came up early today that kept me off the internet all day until recently.

  35. Salty said, on July 13, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    But they do get another 1st rd pick next yr as compensation. It’s crazy to pass on that kind of dough. Stanford degree is nice, but didn’t keep McEnroe and Tiger from hanging around.

  36. ewisco said, on July 13, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    according to henry:

    Christian RF
    Theriot 2B
    Cabrera LF
    Posey C
    Sandoval 3B
    Pagan CF
    Belt 1B
    Arias SS
    Bumgarner P

    interesting about blanco.

    • unca_chuck said, on July 13, 2012 at 5:16 pm

      Right. Yeah, he’s been ice-cold. Bochy’s going with the lukewarm guy . . .

      • Bozo said, on July 13, 2012 at 5:23 pm

        I thought White Sharks like both cool and warm waters. I guess not so much for Boch.

      • zumiee said, on July 13, 2012 at 5:30 pm

        Christian had a couple of really good games recently and raised his stats to some good numbers.

  37. Alleykat said, on July 13, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    Don’t. want to take full credit,but fuck I will.Mentioned to BF just after the draft that Appel would not sign with Pittsburgh after he slid in the draft! I was right on my hunch.

  38. twinfan1 said, on July 13, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    I’ve sent BF and the writers an E-Mail, tomorrow is supposed to be my day but I’m not feeling well. Would someone take it? No switch, just take it. Thanks.

    • Flavor said, on July 13, 2012 at 5:52 pm

      sure, I’ll take it.

    • twinfan1 said, on July 13, 2012 at 6:04 pm

      Thank you- you’ve got a good one- maybe make or break start for Tim.

  39. DJLoo said, on July 13, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    Cubs beat Arizona in the game that was rained out today…

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on July 13, 2012 at 6:27 pm

      Did President Dewey throw out the first pitch?

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on July 13, 2012 at 6:29 pm

      I see back on this date in ’77, NYC had that 25 Hr. blackout. Any memories?

    • demp28 said, on July 13, 2012 at 6:54 pm

      Thanks DJ. Stupid USA Today online had the game listed as postponed earlier in the day. I knew you would be on top of it.

  40. twinfan1 said, on July 13, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    Looing out from my porch on Pot Hill, I thought it looked darker back east.

  41. PawlieKokonuts said, on July 13, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    I’m all ready to go already for Sunday’s thread, Stablers.

    Speaking of Denniszuzuzuzu’s aforementioned RALLY cap: 1. I’ll posit that that the inside-out caps to induce rallies started w/ the 1986 Mets and 2. This really irks me: broadcasters and writers now use the word RALLY indiscriminately to refer to scoring. Doesn’t it by definition have to mean overcoming a deficit, or attempting to????? Notice: they use it wrong. I’m adamant about this, organic development of the language notwithstanding.

  42. Nipper said, on July 13, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    Play ball!

  43. Flavor said, on July 13, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    Melky’s wearing a *Melkman* hat on the field. There’s something totally awesome about that…….

  44. Flavor said, on July 13, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    The All Star Game is a million times worse than the Winter. It disrupts me at the height of my focus on baseball. In the Winter, it just sort of fades away for a few months…….

  45. ewisco said, on July 13, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    Giants baseball is on the air.

    • DJLoo said, on July 13, 2012 at 7:23 pm

      Unless you have MLB Extra Innings. Have to wait for Washington-Miami to end. Hope Yepremian doesn’t blow it…

  46. blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    Buster busts one!

    • DJLoo said, on July 13, 2012 at 7:33 pm

      One what?

      • blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 7:50 pm

        Umm . . . I already forgot. Wait! It’s coming to me. I know I have seen the Gmen hit them before. Ahhhh! A home run. Yeah, yeah . . . That’s it.

  47. ewisco said, on July 13, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    the two out, two run, home run. sweet! now we need to work on the two out, two run, late inning home run. but seriously nice to see.

  48. Flavor said, on July 13, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Personally, I prefer my *melk maids* to be dressed a little sluttier. I get why the dudes are doing this, they’re into the game, the team, they found a nitch and ran with it, etc….But what are those 4 chicks doing out there? Not to judge a book by it’s cover but none of them look like they’re huge baseball fans ready to hit EVERY game……..

    • DJLoo said, on July 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm

      The Melkmen are homos…

      • blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 7:51 pm

        You mean homogenized, don’t you?

      • PawlieKokonuts said, on July 13, 2012 at 7:57 pm

        did you know milk is called “homo” — for “homogenized” in Canada? or at least used to be…

    • Bozo said, on July 13, 2012 at 7:53 pm

      Melk Maids, “to hit EVERY game”? Flav, that’s just too easy.

      • Bozo said, on July 13, 2012 at 8:03 pm

        Great image James. That Jayne Mansfield sure had a head on her shoulders, didn’t she? (Sorry very bad joke).

      • blade3colorado said, on July 13, 2012 at 8:11 pm

        Bozo, you know that happened sometime in the 60’s and I recall asking my Mom what decapitation meant after reading the newspaper article. After she told me, I instinctively gulped and felt my throat. I think I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy about that time too.

    • The Melkmaids (@SFMelkmaids) said, on July 16, 2012 at 8:04 pm

      Hey Falvor…just saw your comment. I’m one of those “melk maids”. Out of curiosity, do we not look like baseball fans because we’re in little orange dresses? One of the “maids” is a season ticket holder and the remaining 3 have probably been to around 10+ games (each) this season, including the game on Saturday where we were dressed in “normal” Giants gear. When we aren’t at the yard we’re usually watching the game at home, at a bar, or listening to it on KNBR. So yes, please don’t judge a book by its cover. I’m happy to talk baseball with you any day of the week 🙂 We are just 4 ladies trying to support Melky and the rest of the team. Oh, and it’s a ballgame, not a strip joint which is why we are trying to keep things “G” rated. Go Giants!

    • The Melkmaids (@SFMelkmaids) said, on July 16, 2012 at 8:07 pm

      Hey Falvor…just saw your comment. I’m one of those “melk maids”. Out of curiosity, do we not look like baseball fans because we’re in little orange dresses? One of the “maids” is a season ticket holder and the remaining 3 have probably been to around 10+ games (each) this season, including the game on Saturday where we were dressed in “normal” Giants gear. When we aren’t at the yard we’re usually watching the game at home, at a bar, or listening to it on KNBR. So yes, please don’t judge a book by its cover. I’m happy to talk baseball with you any day of the week We are just 4 ladies trying to support Melky and the rest of the team. Oh, and it’s a ballgame, not a strip joint which is why we are trying to keep things “G” rated. Go Giants!

  49. DJLoo said, on July 13, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    Dumb idea to bunt there…

  50. Bozo said, on July 13, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Don’t tell MLB but I’m getting game feed between innings, no commercials. I love it.

  51. unca_chuck said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Crazy idea to ssend Pablo there.

  52. unca_chuck said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    Shhhhhhhhhhhh, Dennis. This is a save situation.

  53. unca_chuck said, on July 13, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Ballgame!

  54. DJLoo said, on July 13, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    If Tim can’t handle this horseshit Double A team, he might be hopeless…

  55. unca_chuck said, on July 13, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    Got that right. Plus he misses the heat of Atl. Philly’s playing dead so who knows? A couple wins out the gate?

  56. snarkk said, on July 13, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Paradigm win. Early lead with some pop from Buster. Add on with some speed and motion on the bags. Add a bit on late, even though it was painful to get just one run in after 2 innings with a guy on 3rd with less than 2 outs. Sprinkle in some better than solid pitching from Bum, and with 5 runs in, you get a win. BTW, this game showed why Romo cannot be the closer….

    • James said, on July 13, 2012 at 10:50 pm

      Why did this game show that Romo can’t throw 15-20 pitches in the ninth inning, and be succesful in holding onto a lead 80-85% of the time?

  57. willedav said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    I know they will both get the same $$$, but imo Hart is way more valuable to SF than Bourn. Speed guys without pop tend to hit a wall late 20s, as blade posted earlier. As he ages in a couple years, Bourn will no longer be productive, and maybe even sooner. He didn’t do much to help braves (featured prominently in a great book I read about last day of 2011) after they got him last year. I think this year he’s shot his wad.
    Hart, on the other hand, can pull HRs to LF, play a decent RF, and back up at 1b. The OF of melk brown and hart is way more productive than melk brown bourn. As snarkk mentioned, belt should have better slugging pct next year and beyond, and you have solid middle order. Tho if we are going to keep Theriot, to me that’s all the more reason I’d pick up polanco as well.

  58. willedav said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    I was coaching b-ball til 10 tonite, I hop in the car and it’s the Wrap. Uh, Nip, tonite’s game lasted 2:35…..not 4:05 like the yanks boston game from last sunday. No…..D……..H!
    But stay thirsty, my friend.

  59. tedspe said, on July 13, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    As for me I think Ralph Bellamy said it best when he said “Give me more money or give me the girl”
    Goodnight, Gentlemen (?)

  60. Berger said, on July 14, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    I’m just joining, I have not read any comments, yet. I’ll say what i’ve been saying since day one. Nate should be our RF. Blanco is really blank O. Time has been my friend so far to prove me right.


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