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Cain vs. Hamels, who’s cuisine will reign supreme?

Posted in Uncategorized by ewisco on July 21, 2012

Here we go, Ace vs. Ace (Spy vs. Spy anyone?).  These two are surprisingly well matched.  Hamels and Cain were both drafted out of high school in 2002.  Hamels, out of San Diego, was the number 17 overall pick and Cain, out of Germantown TN, was the 25th pick.  Cain was the first to pitch in the Majors when he started a game against Colorado on August 29th of 2005.   He went 5 innings.  Struck out 2 and walked 4.  Lost 2-1 on a solo HR by  Matt Holiday in the second and when, in the 4th, Todd Helton scores after a walk, 2 base hits, and a double play.  This would later be known as being “Cained”.  Hamels debuted on May 12th of 2006.  He also went 5 innings, striking out 7 and walking 5, giving up no runs.  Since then, Hamels has an ERA of 3.36 to Cain’s 3.28.    Their career stats stand at (Hamels/Cain):

GAMES     CG          IP                           HR        BB        SO                WHIP

199/222     10/15   1287/1444    155/120  322/498  1216/1209   1.136/1.175

Their 2012 Stats are:

GS               ERA            IP              HR        BB       SO        WHIP

18/18  3.07/2.56   126/126.2  14/12   30/25  125/124  1.087/.955

If we look at Hamels at home vs. Cain on the road we see:

ERA                                                      IP       HR   BB       SO     WHIP

2.76/3.28 (9 games each)  64/57.2  6/7  17/17  69/55  1.097/1.197

And yet Hamels is 5-3 at home!!

So, what to look for in today’s game:  In Wins:

SO/9        SO/BB           HR    WHIP

8.6/9.9    4.28/5.5      7/3  1.000 .929

In loses:

SO/9           SO/BB             HR       WHIP

10.1/7.7     4.67/4.50     4/5    1.360/1.238

A very intriguing stat is that in day games, Hamels is 5-4 (6-0 at night!!) while Cain is 6-0 during the day (4-3 at night).

A look at the umpiring crew reveals no news as apparently this crew has not officiated either of the two teams.

When I started looking at this game, it was from the perspective that this is a game where the bats go cold and the giants lose.  Their Ace defeats our Ace.  But Hamels’ day game stats (5-3) give a sliver of hope.  Truly difficult to believe that Hamels gave up 7 HR’s in games that he’s won.  Thankfully we have Brandon Crawford.  Interesting to note that Matt has more walks when he wins than when he loses.  Obviously he needs to keep it in the park though (Cole seems to give up more homers in wins, go figure).  It’s easy to predict a low scoring affair, after all it IS Cain on the mound.  But if it is, it’s also possible to predict that Matty, probably not getting the W, prevails in the end.

Now, does someone else want to go after Ted?

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  1. blade3colorado said, on July 21, 2012 at 6:05 am

    Weatherproof games: Mariners at Rays and Astros at Diamondbacks. Only a little bit of rain is in the early morning forecast on Saturday for Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, with the chance of the wet stuff possibly delaying the start of the doubleheader in Washington. Other than that, it’s varying levels of sunny skies for the entire weekend schedule. Missouri is still in the grip of a heat wave that may see temperatures in the triple digits on Sunday. Finally, it seems mother nature is going to let the players play.

  2. DJLoo said, on July 21, 2012 at 6:28 am

    That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out thread…

  3. blade3colorado said, on July 21, 2012 at 6:44 am

    Great thread ewisco. We are getting into a wonderful stretch of baseball for our Giants, especially after they complete this road trip with Philadelphia and return home. Why is that?

    Simply put, the GMen are numero uno in baseball at home in ERA (2.31), WHIP (1.04), batting average allowed (.207), OPS allowed (.576) and both saves (19) and save percentage (86 percent). If you have become concerned about Casilla, put your worry beads away because he has been lights out at home. Sure, he has five blown saves in his past eight opportunities. No argument from me there. However, Casilla has been a stud at the Phone Park, i.e., he’s 14-for-15 in save chances with a 1.83 ERA, compared to 9-for-14 with a 5.28 ERA on the road. Couple that with Romo and the rest of our relief corps at home, then you have a virtual lock in the latter innings of each home game.

    Everyone saw what Timmy did last night. It gets better on Wednesday, when he faces off against one of his favorite foils, the Padres. He has a 10-4 record, 16 quality starts, a 2.02 ERA, 1.15 WHIP and 10.13 strikeouts-per-nine innings ratio in 20 career starts against them, including a 2.57 ERA and 0.93 WHIP in two meetings this season.

    I am buying into Ewisco’s logic above and say that Matty and the Giants do “prevail” today and hopefully, tomorrow as well. Afterwards, they are at home against the hapless Padres, hated Dodgers, and barely above .500 Mets. I predict the Giants will increase their 2.5 games over the Bums by another 2.5 games minimally by the end of their home stand. You can take that to the bank.

  4. eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 7:36 am

    On the down side they have 19 games in a row after this Thursday’s rest day @ home. That is 6 at home, 7 on the road and then another 6 @ home. they leave Philly tomorrow and are back on the field @ home in just over 12 hours.
    The good news?
    Crawford is turning into a streak hitter and I hope that streak runs for a while. I also see us getting to Hamels today and a shutdown by the BP. Thanks, ewisco, great topic for today’s game, well researched.
    Now, if BF would update the BBOTD my day will be complete.

  5. dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 21, 2012 at 7:53 am

    Cain’s the man. His underlying stats match up or are better than almost all of his peers yet somehow he goes unnoticed nationally. Maybe having started the AS game this year is starting to change that.

    • Alleykat said, on July 21, 2012 at 8:08 am

      Matt Cain even matches up better then the guy he beat in the A/S game Justin Verlander IMO.Verlander has him in wins and K’s,but Matt has him beat in ERA,and just about every other stat.
      If Matt had any decent offense support over the years,he’d of had more wins then Verlander as well.Verlander does have a Cy Young, but Matt will get his this year to match him.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 21, 2012 at 8:24 am

        Funny kat, I was having the same discussion recently comparing Verlander and Cain. The only advantage for Verlander is Ws but that’s what people notice. Its a small sample size but Cain’s post seasnon numbers are superior by far. I’ll take Cain

    • DJLoo said, on July 21, 2012 at 8:11 am

      I would assume Cain’s gotten a decent amount of national attention this year, but in general the things that get you noticed are quirky behavior, a good nickname, an unusual physical characteristic, a gaudy W-L record or strikeout total – things like that. Cain just does his job…

      • twinfan1 said, on July 21, 2012 at 8:43 am

        Oh, I don’t know. Chelsea and Nicole report that he’s quite well endowed…

  6. willedav said, on July 21, 2012 at 8:06 am

    OK, this is not a knock on fantasy ball per se, but in so far as how it relates to real baseball: look at the guys who have driven in runs lately for SF. Whitey and crawford had 6 of the 7 last night, and burriss had two hits and a rbi the day before. The LU featured 4 guys, half the position players —theriot crawford nate whitey—that are not exactly fantasy mainstays. Yet SF romps!
    Fantasy type all star teams, where no one has to play defense or need a day off (including closers) are fun for what they are. But none of the little things that make real baseball interesting, such as moving a runner over with a ground out or sac unt, taking a walk to keep an inning alive, or saving a run with a nice defensive play or costing one with a blunder, pitchers tiring or having to be hit for, matter very much.
    I really don’t care how many fantasy teams an individual is on or what fantasy numbers a guy puts up; what is important to me is how well the guys we have are playing, in terms of real baseball, and what they are doing (or not) to help our team win. Fantasy vs. real baseball is more like dreaming of a bbotd and life at my apt. Sure it has it’s very enjoyable place, just not grounded in real life.

    • Nipper said, on July 21, 2012 at 8:21 am

      Profound Willie. And oh so true.

  7. Macdog said, on July 21, 2012 at 8:15 am

    E, what a perfect thread as I get ready to head out to the game. Hamels 5-3 at home is even more impressive considering the Phils are an NL-worst 17-28 at CBB. Last year, Cain and Hamels matched up twice: at Philly (2-1 Giants) and at SF (2-1 Phillies). Most memorably, of course, was Cain’s 3-0 win over Hamels and the Phils in Game 3 of the NLCS. And this must be a big matchup since the cheapest tix on Stubhub were in the $18-20 range, while the cheapest for the other two games were in the $4-5 range.

  8. Nipper said, on July 21, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Yes very lucid indeed.

    • DJLoo said, on July 21, 2012 at 8:37 am

      BLEEP!

  9. Macdog said, on July 21, 2012 at 8:55 am

    I discovered last night (or early this morning) that watching a late-night Yanks game is a surefire cure for insomnia. How do AL fans watch these games? Those A’s are on some roll, though.

  10. twinfan1 said, on July 21, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Lucid, well thought out, but Cain isn’t facing Hamels..Phillies haven’t hit Matt very well- current Phils have just a .212 BAA- whereas our current hitters have batted over .300 against Hamels. So, taking Eric’s extensive research into account, and some additional numbers on how the opposing teams have hit against them- there is a clear conclusion that can be drawn- one of them may win today..

    • Nipper said, on July 21, 2012 at 11:48 am

      Good call! Twin does it again!

  11. willedav said, on July 21, 2012 at 9:24 am

    another thing to highlight these two is the contract. See what the phils do, but I think they are stuck coughing it up to keep him, whereas SF has already made its call. Only question is how many years they are willing to pay for. Man, what an expensive team to be dead last.

  12. unca_chuck said, on July 21, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Where do you see that Cains isn’t pitching against Hamels? Far as I can tell, that’s the matchup.

    • twinfan1 said, on July 21, 2012 at 9:58 am

      He’s pitching against the Phil’s hitters.

  13. Sportdude said, on July 21, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Great post Ewisco. Thanks…

  14. twinfan1 said, on July 21, 2012 at 10:04 am

    The plight of the Phillies points out how ridiculous the statement “injuries are no excuse” is. Of course it’s an excuse-one of the few valid ones. “Utley and Howard have been out all year, but that’s no excuse. Anybody can step up and contribute what they do…”

  15. Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Any bets on who catches Zito tomorrow? I’m guessing it won’t be Buster, but hey, it’s all good. Just don’t think Bochy is telling the whole truth on this story.

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on July 21, 2012 at 10:32 am

      If I had to lay down money on someone from this blog who’d catch Zito, my coin is on Chuck. I bet Chuck’s a hardened and venerable catcher with tons of experience. Real easy to pitch to Chuck.

      • ewisco said, on July 21, 2012 at 10:46 am

        I think buster is feeling the ankle. Flavor said at the start of the year that buster was going to have a hard time coming back and i think he’s right. buster can obviously hit ok and play first but the bend you put into the ankle when you catch is a sure fire way to irritate that injury. I just don’t think they’re going to talk about it. hopefully they told belt so he understands it’s not that the backup catchers are better than him but they have to find a way to keep their best hitter in the game and that is at first base. i don ‘t think he would argue with that. I suspect that after the season is over, unless it goes really bad on him and they have to use the DL, that we’ll find out more about this.

      • twinfan1 said, on July 21, 2012 at 11:49 am

        I have seen zero indication that Buster is having problems catching. If his anke is bad, it ain’t getting better catching 60 percent of the time. BTW, I had posted that making it back all the way would be tough this year, if Flavor also said that, we were both wrong. He’s better than ever.
        If they want to start thinkuing about a new position for him, it should be LF, BTW.

    • twinfan1 said, on July 21, 2012 at 10:36 am

      If Buster has problems with both Zito and Lincecum, they’d better work that out-or if the real problem is Belt in their minds, do someting about THAT. If they think the answer is Eli or Arias over Belt, they’re delusional.

      • Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 10:54 am

        Arias? Is he a possibility? At one point, I was looking forward to seeing Pablo behind the plate for a couple of innings, but I no longer harbor that hope. Far as Belt goes, he seems to be making his lot worse by his antics at the plate when he fails. he needs to quit those antics if he wants Bochy to get past that. He has over 30 rbi’s, which ain’t bad considering his at-bats on this team. Lots of those were clutch too. Yet he seems to be sacrificed to allow for Posey’s bat, which is hard to argue. Lots of questions on Bochy’s relationship with some of the strugglers, and I wonder if Nate won himself any more starts with his game last night? I don’t have any answers, but lots of questions about how this has been handled and don’t expect to find the answers from local news or broadcasters.

      • twinfan1 said, on July 21, 2012 at 11:35 am

        It’s not Posey’s bat, it was Hector’s, or Arias if Sandoval plays first, or now Whiteside. Do you follow?

      • snarkk said, on July 21, 2012 at 11:55 am

        What antics by Belt?…

  16. zumiee said, on July 21, 2012 at 10:43 am

    Good stuff, Ewisco. It’s interesting how some opponent starting pitchers seem to intersect at important moments. Timmy had all those games against Kershaw last year.

  17. twinfan1 said, on July 21, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Schierholtz RF, Theriot 2B, Cabrera LF, Posey C, Sandoval 3B, Pagan CF, Arias SS, Belt 1B, (Cain P)

    • zumiee said, on July 21, 2012 at 10:54 am

      I know there are statistical/match-up logic reasons, but…..sheesh, hit the big grandslam, and take a seat, son.

      • zumiee said, on July 21, 2012 at 10:55 am

        And Schierholtz has either proven that whining works, or the Giants are showcasing for a trade.

      • Nipper said, on July 21, 2012 at 11:51 am

        “sheesh”

      • snarkk said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:00 pm

        Somebody explain to me how a guy who has been in the league for years, and everybody’s seen, can be “showcased” right before the deadline. All that means to me is that he’s playing to confirm to other teams that he’s healthy. And, at the same time risking injury so he can’t be traded. Otherwise, the “showcasing” seems like a ludicrous term, the other teams all know what Nate can do or can’t do…

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on July 21, 2012 at 11:31 am

      Who else in the NL has their first sacker batting 8th? What a joke. I’m sure Hammels will lob up a bunch of fat ones to Belt hitting in front of Cain. NOT! [insert Borat voice]

  18. Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Kuiper was talking about whether or not a day off helps hitters, saying, “when you’re hot, it’s impossible to get a day off.” Guess that don’t apply to Crawford.

    • Nipper said, on July 21, 2012 at 11:52 am

      Bochy knows best.

  19. dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 21, 2012 at 11:36 am

    If taking walks is such a concern with Belt why not give him a shot leading off?

    • snarkk said, on July 21, 2012 at 11:57 am

      Maybe Bochy is remembering how the Gamer did well at leadoff. For about a month. Pagan or Sholz as leadoff, either one doesn’t make much sense right now, so maybe this was a coin flop…

  20. Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Nate doesn’t do well in pinch-hitting roles, and his penchant for swinging at the first pitch says maybe he doesn’t want to do well in that role. It seems like the last half dozen times he’s been asked to fill that role, he roles over to second base before he gets to see a pitch. Now that Blanco isn’t performing too well, will Bochy give Nate another starting shot, or keep both these two guys groping for starts? I don’t see Nate in the lead-off role either. I can’t recall the last time the Giants had a real lead-off guy though.

    • DJLoo said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:13 pm

      Andres Torres (2010)

    • twinfan1 said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:19 pm

      Nate is not being considered for the lead off spot full time. It will be Blanco, or they’ll move Pagan back there. They’ve tried Christian against LHers recently, that trial seems to be over.

  21. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 21, 2012 at 11:55 am

    I guar-an-damn-tee ya Belt will walk at least once today batting 8th. And the first to say, “Good AB” gets donkey punched.

    • Irish Kevin said, on July 21, 2012 at 11:59 am

      I am thinking Bitch slapped

    • twinfan1 said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:13 pm

      It depends on the situation, there are many where a walk in front of the pitcher is a good AB. Try to learn this game, Denny.

      • Del Mar Dennis said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:21 pm

        If Belt walks with 2-outs and the bases juiced I’ll stand corrected. Otherwise expand your zone and swing the goddamn bat.

      • Del Mar Dennis said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:25 pm

        At least with Belt you might get that 2-out bases loaded walk hitting 8th. With Burriss, the pussy-ass bitch would try to bunt.

  22. Irish Kevin said, on July 21, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Well at least No Whitey today! Yeah I don’t understand the benching of Crawford either. Twin, give us the reason!!

    • twinfan1 said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:32 pm

      Well, it makes more sense than batting Arias in front of Belt. The reasoning? Hamels is obviously a very tough lefty, Crawford doesn’t hit lefties very well and why ruin his hot streak by hitting him against a guy who would most likely own him for a day”? That’s their reasoning, IMO. Personally, at this point, I’d play him everyday.

  23. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 21, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Remember “Gus” from that Disney movie? That mule/donkey could kick the shit out of a football. Oich!

  24. snarkk said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    I predicted the second game in Atlanta that El Presidente would catch Lincecum. Why would you put a guy who hasn’t been on the team all season and not particularly good defensively to catch a pitcher who needs to keep some sketchy confidence and build on it? Bochy went out of his way to say there’s nothing going on between Timmeh and Buster. All the more reason I think there is…

  25. ewisco said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    If nate wants to prove he belongs with the blanco’s and christian’s of the world he needs to get on and show that he can steal some bases.

    • Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:11 pm

      Christian? Why exactly is he on this team? If Bochy kept to his policy of, “what ‘ave you done for us lately,” he’d be on a slow bus to Fresno.

  26. twinfan1 said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Well, it should have been Jackson Williams, not Eli. And they clear the 40 man spot by waiving Eli. Then the everyday LU should be Blanco, Pagan, Melky, Buster, Pablo, Belt, Theriot, Crawford. Except for Williams one day of 5 for Buster, that’s everyday. Spot starts only for Arias, Burris, Nate, Christian. If the price is reasonable, Wigginton and Polanco or Kelly Johnson at the deadline. If they’ve completely soured on Belt, several teams could use him-and he has good value.

    • snarkk said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:30 pm

      Doesn’t Eli get some sort of big bonus in his contract if he plays at all with SF this year — $675K or some such? They won’t cut him now that they have to pay him some guaranteed coin, I would think…

      • twinfan1 said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:34 pm

        Of course not now, they should have done it well before this.

  27. Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    I still don’t get Burriss hitting much, and he often makes serious mental errors it seems. I may not see every at-bat for Christian (.179), but i don’t see him over Nate (.250) based on their records.

    • twinfan1 said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:23 pm

      Well, nothing I just posted disagrees with that. In my scenario Manny and Christian are gone at the deadline.

      • Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:26 pm

        What’s your take on Nate and Belt? What sort of trade value to those two have? They sure seem like this season’s bait at least.

      • twinfan1 said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:41 pm

        Well, with Nate, as I’ve cautioned- with thev uncertainty of the futures of Melky and Pagan- he could come to camp with himself, Blanco, and Christian as the only outfielders. They have to be careful. I think Belt has plenty of value- they could get a guy like Hart who would help more now but with considerably less upside.

      • Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:03 pm

        Why do you think Cabrera and Pagan are uncertain?

  28. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    You know something you never see? Poor people playing polo.

    • twinfan1 said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:36 pm

      True, a string of polopponies costs big bucks..

      • Del Mar Dennis said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:08 pm

        One of Norton’s best lines, and he had his fair share…

  29. Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Interesting to listen to Fox guys saying Casilla struggling now. He’s always had some head fakes to overcome. I don’t think his stuff is failing but he just needs a kick in the ass and needs to quit going to pieces because he doesn’t get the calls he wants. Romo is another head case that gets all jiggy when something goes wrong, but Eckersley was just as bad. Seems like closers are all wrapped a little too tight.

    • twinfan1 said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:30 pm

      What I’ve seen of Casilla, even in the blown saves, is a guy who sucks it up when it’s gets tough, not a guy who goes to pieces.

      • Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:39 pm

        I agree, though he does like to mutter to himself. I expect he’s just have a rough spell but Fox seems to want to imply he’s in trouble.

  30. eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Astros ship Myers to White Sox for prospects

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:16 pm

      I guess that’s better than “Myers ships Astroglide to White Sox for petroleum jelly.”

  31. eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    who is doing radio?

  32. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Utley (by Smart Strike out of No Matter What) who runs latter today in the Sussex Stks. at Delaware Park got all of that Horse pitch.

  33. Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Someone needs to mention to Giant hitters that Hamels’ first pitch is out of the strike and will, no doubt, remain out of the strike zone as long as they continue swinging at it and missing it.

  34. eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    these fox guys sound like Philly homers

    • Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:37 pm

      No one seemed to notice Crawford was out of the lineup, unless i missed something.

  35. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    How would Giants fans feel about acquiring Jonathan Broxton at the deadline? That was a rhetorical question. I know the reaction. Just saying it wouldn’t come as a total surprise.

    • eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:35 pm

      Have you read the Flapper Code of Conduct?
      Broxton should never be mentioned as a possible Giant

    • snarkk said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:42 pm

      No to Broxton…

  36. eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    I think the first was Cain’s big inning.

  37. eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    88mph cutter up and in the middle of the plate

  38. DJLoo said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    I guess ewisco should’ve provided Cain vs. Hamels hitting stats…

  39. Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    Yeah baby, you go Buster. Let’s see what Fox has to say now.

  40. DJLoo said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    I guess ewisco should’ve provided Hamels vs. Cain hitting stats…

  41. eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    they made excuses for Cole

  42. eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    A flat 92mph FB and this game is officially entertaining

  43. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    I went to go see a baseball game and a HR Derby broke out.

  44. Bozo said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    I hate FOX and Selig for telling me that I can’t watch the Giants on MLB because FOX decided to show Texas and the Angels. Now normally, FUX, would show an East Coast team back here, but today? Nope. Selig is a fuck for agreeing to this shit. I save the word “hate” for folks, that to me are really fuckers and the Bozo code of “I hate you” easily applies to both FUX and Selloutig.

    • Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 2:11 pm

      I have great admiration for anyone who hates Fox and Selig. thank you.

      • Nipper said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:33 pm

        Thank you!

  45. eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    And ESPN who shows the fox games over here is showing the dogers
    fuckin Selig

  46. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 21, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    I’m gonna go out on a limb and say those two SB attempts by Pagan (which he had stolen) were not H&R’s.
    Why not get everyone on the same page and have both Arias and Belt take those pitches.
    “What we have here is a failure to communicate.”

    • twinfan1 said, on July 21, 2012 at 2:12 pm

      Pagan should not have been running. That’s the only page to be read.

  47. Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    I have no memory of a Giant announcer, other than Jon Miller, calling a national TV game? How do they justify having Mitch Williams as an announcer on this game? Go Nate!!!

  48. eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Here is our favorite time
    no outs RISP
    Go Giants!

  49. Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Huge steal by Theriot and very smart base running. Something we don’t get to see very often.

  50. Salty said, on July 21, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Posey is putting up some gaudy 2nd half numbers. 14/28, 2 hrs, 13 rbi….

  51. PawlieKokonuts said, on July 21, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Gawd. HR Derby indeed. We need an on-the-scene report from Macdog.

  52. eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    so much for the pitching duel
    Cain almost got the ground ball he wanted on that foul

  53. PawlieKokonuts said, on July 21, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Checking scores from a mall eatery. (Don’t say it, Magnus.) Something tells me this game will not end w/ a 5-4 score.

  54. Salty said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    MELK!

  55. PawlieKokonuts said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Q. Are they showcasing Nate? Or responding to his interview comments about wanting to play more? Or neither? Or both? (Well, that’s more than one question.)

    • Bozo said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:22 pm

      “That’s a clown question, Bro”. Sorry Pawlie, I just had to use that at least once.

  56. PawlieKokonuts said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Melkmeister delivers the creme de la creme!!

    I should be home watching this, but not even sure it is available.

  57. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    “What we have here is a failure to pickup the squeeze sign.” Blanco blows.

    • Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:19 pm

      A squeeze play sign is supposed to be met by a sign from the hitter that he got the sign? Either Flannery missed it, or Posey missed it?

  58. manny said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Just listening to that botched squeeze, someone has some answering to do about that one.

  59. blade3colorado said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Blanco equals dumb.

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:15 pm

      “He drew a Blanco.”

      • blade3colorado said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:16 pm

        I couldn’t have described it better Pawlie.

  60. Sportdude said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Shit!

  61. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Look, we got a couple of good weeks out of the White Shark. We should be grateful.
    A guy who’s sucked his entire life is going to continue to suck. Just ask Chuck.

  62. eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    127 pitches for Cole

  63. ewisco said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Well i clearly didn’t prognosticate this very well. entertaining though.

    • blade3colorado said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:23 pm

      Regardless, excellent thread ewisco.

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:28 pm

      You did an excellent job with you prognostication today. Care to take your foretelling talents to Saratoga tomorrow? I did a bang up job of botching today’s predictions.

  64. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Antonio might be a Bastardo, but Belt is truly a bastard.

    • Nipper said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:36 pm

      Bastard?

  65. eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    is belt some kind of batter-a-holic, does he have to hit bottom before it starts to hit?

    • Nipper said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:35 pm

      Take the belt to him!

  66. blade3colorado said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    This is a weird game for Matty. ERA of 6.53, but excellent WHIP of ,96 . . . As the Fox broadcaster just said, he has been very economical today, but the mistakes have been huge.

    • blade3colorado said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:26 pm

      * .96

  67. eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    to relieve the tension of a tie came in the 9th I am watching Casino Royal, it has been a while and I have forgotten many of the good parts!
    Go Giants!!

  68. eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Somebody cover Denny’s eyes
    they put their closer in a non-save situation

  69. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    The Phillies brought in their closer in a NON-save situation and he didn’t yield a run.
    That’s not the way it’s supposed to happen.

  70. eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    belt, no – crawford, no – nate, no
    I am no liking this

    • DJLoo said, on July 21, 2012 at 4:21 pm

      Quint?
      No.

  71. Alleykat said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    The one thing about Belt I can’t stand is his freakin low slg pct with men in scoring postion.Yeah big deal he has a good eye and draws some walks,usually with no one on,I want him to rake when your batting usually 6-7 be fuckin aggressive you pansy.

  72. eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    the last year and a half Romo has been ON!

    • Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:48 pm

      Some of those sliders had hit me written on them.

      • eddacker said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:49 pm

        And yet, nobody is hitting them.

  73. Robbie Lou said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Who said this was going to be easy?

  74. Salty said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Liking our L-R specialists.

  75. DJLoo said, on July 21, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    3-4-5…


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