A Place To Talk About Giants Baseball

And Down The Stretch They Come . . .

Posted in Uncategorized by ewisco on September 6, 2012

Well, the day off comes at a good time. I said earlier this year that i wanted the team to struggle and have to fight to get into the PS. Be careful what you ask for? And if your a dodger, will you look back on these past series and say that while the giants were losing two of three to the dbacks, you didn’t make up ANY games while playing the padres? This truly may be something that comes into play as the season plays out. Looking ahead at the coming series i am not sanguine. It’s quite possible that we will need Barry the “Stopper” Zito. As my buddy the Landman use to say, “Maybe, Maybe not”. But really, how cool? September baseball, Giants with a small but significant lead over the hated dogs, culminating in a possible showdown in Chez Latrine. They’re rounding the far turn . . .

(please ignore the code below, thanks–Craig)


118 Responses

Subscribe to comments with RSS.

  1. Nipper said, on September 6, 2012 at 7:28 am

    Still 4.5 games ahead of the Dodgers. I like the brevity of the intro. Thanks.

    • TedSpe said, on September 6, 2012 at 8:19 am

      Yes. Reading. Bad.

    • eddacker said, on September 6, 2012 at 8:22 am

      my next topic will be four words, in honour of our van-man: “Flappers, blog on dudes!”
      BY THE WAY if I am not around on that day please cut and paste my article for me.


    • ewisco said, on September 6, 2012 at 8:33 am

      when you follow ted, you just take your punishment and get out.

      • zumiee said, on September 6, 2012 at 8:43 am

        You were my buffer today, sir, and I thank you. You stood bravely to face the juggernaut that is Ted.

  2. paulinasia said, on September 6, 2012 at 7:46 am

    This weekend will tell a lot; Giants win 2 of 3, the division is looking solid. LA comes in and sweeps, it’ll go down to the wire. Agree that LA has to be smarting a bit from the missed opportunity to come to SF on a roll and shrinking the Giants’ lead… maybe a little less swagger this weekend. Giants just need to rest up and show up on Friday night relaxed and ready to roll.

    One thing about Bochy. Love the guy. 2010 he was nothing short of genius. Great job this year too. Love his quotes. My favorite was a couple of years ago, when a reporter asked him something about why some players were playing, others sitting, how did Bochy decide that, etc.: “The guys who are playing are the guys we’re putting out there.” Not the answer the scribes were looking for, but that one stopped them in their tracks. Now from yesterday, these quotes:

    “This day off couldn’t be coming at a better time,” Bochy said. “They [the relievers] all need a break down there.” Ya think? “They” all need to start doing their jobs better but, I hate to say, so does Bochy. The ‘pen appears to me to be in shambles at the moment, after being a major strength for a long time. Screws everything up. Name a closer, set the order like before, get it under control. And, this:

    “We might have to get creative out there (left field)” after news of Nady’s hamstring problem. Uh oh. Not sure how creative Theriot is.. or Belt there if that means Huff at 1B or more Sanchez behind the plate with Buster at 1B… Bruce will earn his money this month and hopefully beyond.

    Fortunately, LA seems to have hit the same mini-wall at the same time. Bring ’em on…

  3. Salty said, on September 6, 2012 at 7:49 am

    Friday game has a lot riding on it with Tim out to prove he’s still a big game pitcher, it sets the tone for the rest of the series and a win to go 5.5 with Cain to follow puts tremendous pressure on the Dodgers. But if Beckett comes in and shuts em down and they blast Timmy, Dodgers could get it going. Each team has a sweep in the other teams house.
    Right now, I’m not comfortable with the 4.5 game lead knowing they still have those 3 in LA at the end of the season. And you can’t look past the Padres series in SD prior to that. Padres are playing good baseball lately and can be a problem in Petco.The good news is the G’s have played exceptionally well on the road lately. Still, history is on the Bums side if it all comes down to that final series.

  4. TedSpe said, on September 6, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Barry the “Stopper” Zito. Gold, baby

    • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2012 at 9:06 am

      “The Stopper” His wife complains about it all the time..try this, Amber

      • Nipper said, on September 6, 2012 at 7:06 pm

        Wrong plunger!

  5. chipower9 said, on September 6, 2012 at 8:14 am

    I’m not ready to book a NL West title, but let me share a little math. Regardless if the Bums come in and sweep our beloved Orange and Black, the reality of the situation is this:

    Giants have 25 to play.
    Bums have 24 to play.

    After our three game set, the Bums face the D-Backs for two, then have the Cards for four at home, then three in D.C., and three in Cincy.

    And to top it all off (and MOST IMPORTANTLY), let’s play hypotheticals.

    If the Giants go 13-12 rest of the way, they end up with 90 wins.

    The Bums would have to go 18-6 rest of the way to win the West with 91.

    Again, not saying it is a lock, but our boys longest trip is to Colorado (all remaining games in NL West). Bums still have an East-coast swing with two very tough teams.

    Zona and Dago are playing good ball, so there are no guarantees, but I like the Giants chances.

    • Flavor said, on September 6, 2012 at 9:08 am

      They’re gonna gave to figure this stretch of home failure out– it makes no sense to me. The crowd is packed and the energy is electric. We’ve got a ton of hitters who should be blasting doubles and triples all game long. And we have a PS that knows how to pitch to the park. And yet they’re 9-14 (or something like that) over their last 23 home games.

      • chipower9 said, on September 6, 2012 at 9:21 am

        I agree, BF…it is worrisome. 13 remaining at home…12 on the road. Again, if they go 13-12 rest of the way, the Bums have to play over their heads.

        One game at a time…it will be huge if Timmy can set the tone with a win in the opener tomorrow.

      • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2012 at 9:23 am

        Home AND away, the staff ERA is 4.62 the last 28 days. Only a couple relievers are pitching well. Since August 1, they’re scoring right at 4 runs a game at home. Not great- but good enough to be winning games.

    • unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 9:29 am

      If LA sweeps, that’s 13-9 and 15-6.

      Then the last 3? It could get dicey.

  6. eddacker said, on September 6, 2012 at 8:20 am

    A day(night) without a game. Hasta be good for the team, and not even a travel day.
    Unlike football knowing the team you are playing and having a day to get ready, finalise the plays in baseball it is “step away” unwind, rest and play like hell when and only when the ump cries “play ball!”

    Hamstrings can be so problematic, two steps forward and one back as we continue to string some wins together.
    Not worried about the dogers or the division, it will be a memorable colapsee if it happens. Washing tonne looks like the team to beat come NLCS.
    AND, no one mentioned my man Belt with the big single last night; albeit in a losing effort.

    Ewisco leads with the fact that today is a day off. I sincerely think Bochy needs to get the pitchers, ALL of them, some rest in the month where rest is the hardest to come by: September.

    Go Giants!

  7. Alleykat said, on September 6, 2012 at 8:57 am

    I wanted Panda to duke it out with that D-back runner at 3rd last night,that would have been awesome!
    Don’t need the suspension though going.down the stretch.

    • Salty said, on September 6, 2012 at 10:06 am

      Or for him to break his hand. Pablo needs to keep his cool.

  8. twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2012 at 9:01 am

    Right now, the bat that has to be made room for is Belt’s.If that means Bochy dares cross one of his FOFs and catrches Posey tomorrow: DO IT! If it means Belt in left field: DO IT!
    As much as failng to gain ground is frustrating, it’s more dire for the Bums..
    I heard that this series keeps the Dbacks in it- sorry, Finish the burial, the Snakes are dead, I need my shovel back….
    Early returns, yes-very early returns, on who is stepping up this month. I’m just doing BA and RBI, more numbers are available, of course.
    . :

    Buster .261 BA 3 RBI
    Pagan .160 2 RBI
    Belt .545 6 RBI
    Pence .222 3 RBI
    Panda .348 4 RBI
    Scutaro .333 4 RBI
    Crawford .429 1 RBI
    Nady .333 3 RBI
    Hector .333 2 RBI
    Arias 0 for 7
    Blanco 0 for 4

    • eddacker said, on September 6, 2012 at 9:18 am

      Baseball tonight showed Scooter with 24 rbis since Melky left the team, one less than Hunter and Buster.
      Like I said earlier, getting Belt 4 or 5 hundred at bats, no matter what they are, is paying for his upside. If he delivers in September and/or October I will be dancing with the stars, over-the-moon, enjoying every moment like I did last night when he came through with the big single.
      MOVE HIM? His defence at first is nothing short of brilliant. Anywhere else would be a step backwards, even if it means Buster’s bat is in the line up with him. It may be a move management wants or needs to make, it is also a move they know is not the best from any other angle.

      • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2012 at 9:28 am

        OVIOUSLY, the best course is that he starts at first base every day. But if they’re going to continue benching him for the Posey/Sanchez duo, instead they need to play him in LF those games. I’m hardly suggesting a permanent move.

      • eddacker said, on September 6, 2012 at 9:35 am

        No, I knew you were not, but what I was trying to say is that his great defence puts a hitch in management’s giddyup when they want to make that move.

    • Salty said, on September 6, 2012 at 10:11 am

      Agree about Belt. Wouldn’t it be ironic if he’s “da man” now after all his struggles? Love the way he looks up there. What a contrast. All those struggles and in and out of the lineup might actually strengthened him. He doesn’t seem fazed in the least now.

  9. eddacker said, on September 6, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Oh, ESPN also has R.A. Dickey leading the cy young race. Sweet Jesus

  10. chipower9 said, on September 6, 2012 at 9:25 am

    In regards to moving Belt (LF) to get Posey in the LU (guess is Hector catches Tim and Zito), then so be it. We got our first taste of this last night (Theriot in LF). I would not be surprised to see Theriot there again, or Belt, or even possibly Scutaro. Huff…I would prefer him for PH opportunities.

    Also, I know the bullpen has been taxed, but with the expanded rosters, Giants now have 17 arms on the roster.

    Starters need to get back to regularly giving at least 6 (if not more…do I hear 7 or 8) innings in a start.

  11. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Yeah, ya took the words out of my mouth, Flav. I don’t get the shittiness at home. At least they scored in a couple of these last 3 games. They were really having trouble scoring at home those last bunch of home games.

    The Giants have won ONE home series (Colo) since taking 2 of 3 from the Pads July 23rd-25th. They’ve lost to LA, NY, Wash, Atl (tie), and now AZ.

    They REALLY need to win a series now.

    All that being said, they are in great shape. They just need to rest up and settle down.

    • unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 9:31 am

      Certainly not all slouches, but whe you look at how well they’ve done on the road against the same or better competition, their home troubles are keeping this race close.

      • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2012 at 9:45 am

        It’s the pitching this time.

  12. twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2012 at 9:53 am

    I’ll worry about a Dodger sweep if it happens, BTW. .the Giants are in great shape even with the pitching woes. There are all kinds of gloomy scenarios- but they’re gloomier for the Bums.

  13. Flavor said, on September 6, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Twin, in my opinion, you can’t just average out *4 runs scored a game* and say that should be enough for them to win. You have to look at how they are winning and losing. Since Aug 1, they’ve lost 9 games at home. In those losses they scored 1, 1, 0, 2, 4, 3 1, 6, 2 runs. Run production is an obvious contributor to all those losses (except the game they scored 6). The starting pitching has been the #1 problem at home but run production is right behind it, at least in terms of the losses……

    • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2012 at 10:45 am

      Fine, just use the same logic with all teams. RPG is arrived at as an average for everybody. I’m always hearing stufff like “don’t forget that blow out”, it padded the numbers.” They do for very team.
      It’s totally valid to use their average RPG…
      Obviously when they scotre one run they didn’t hit well.That doesn’t negate the fact they are hitting better at home the last few weeks and that as of now, pitching is their main problem-home or away.

      • Flavor said, on September 6, 2012 at 11:02 am

        not if you’re defining a *main problem* as too many losses at home. Because run production HAS BEEN the main problem in their losses since Aug 1 in all of the losses except 1 (when they scored 6).
        Maybe you’re defining “main problem” as something different, though.
        It’s not a problem if your team wins 1-0. It IS a problem if they lose 5-1.
        ie, wins = not a problem
        losses = problem

  14. Flavor said, on September 6, 2012 at 11:06 am

    or look at it this way: their average RPG in their losses at home since Aug 1 is 2.22.
    That’s the MAIN reason they’re losing at home unless you are expecting them to win with that RPG…..

  15. snarkk said, on September 6, 2012 at 11:14 am

    The main problem at ATT is two fold — pitching not as good as last year, and a season long drought in HRs. They’re out homered at home on an over 2:1 basis, or is it 3:1? The lack of homers is killing them at home….

    • Flavor said, on September 6, 2012 at 11:24 am

      my point was a retort to Twin’s claim that “4 runs a game should be enough to win” and I was pointing out that in every loss except 2 (since Aug 1st) they scored 4 runs once and 6 runs once– 7 other losses it was below 4– and, in my opinion, the main reason they lost those games regardless of what the pitching did. You can’t score 0-1-2-3 runs and then say “It was the pitcher’s fault”. That just makes no sense……

      • snarkk said, on September 6, 2012 at 11:27 am

        Big part of the low scoring is no homers. I’d like to see the stats on their home record when they hit at least one homer vs. when they hit none…

  16. twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Their pitching is supposed to win a low scoring game every omce in a wihile. Since that shut out sweep of the Bums in late June, they have exactly zero shutouts at home ( that I see) So yes, they are supposed to win some scoring 2 runs..
    I’ve explained the power outage before, and it’s mostly a Sabean decision in how he constructed the team this year. Obviouslky they’d like more from Panda and Belt HR wise but you’re not going to get much HR power at home if you don’t have much in the way of RH pull power like they had wiith Uribe and Burrell in 2010.

    • ewisco said, on September 6, 2012 at 12:24 pm

      Posey should fill that bill better. and pagan and even pill and now pence. we’re not getting much at all from the right side. A lot of their “bombs” tend to be more toward center and staying in the park. possibly a result of being more gap-to-gap hitters than pure pull hitters.

    • Flavor said, on September 6, 2012 at 12:39 pm

      sorry, I can dig that they should be expected to throw some shut outs but expecting it to happen in a game they only score 2 in is not realistic (in my humble opinion)…..

      • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2012 at 12:46 pm

        Well, it’s been realistic for years

      • Flavor said, on September 6, 2012 at 1:07 pm

        I think you were working with different expectations than the rest of us….

  17. PawlieKokonuts said, on September 6, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    I used to think of our pitching staff as elite. Let’s call it para-elite now, or elitish. I was stunned when the YES Yankees announcers were talking about the Tampa Bay Rays staff the other evening before one of our long East Coast nights. I had NO idea. The Rays pitchers surely do not get the ink they deserve. Then I watched Fernando Rodney save. Yikes. The dude’s ERA is something like 0.71.

    ewisco, do you intend that garbled code on the bottom of your thread? Is it a coded plea you are trying to sneak by your alien abductors? Cayman Islands bank account? If you like, I might be able to use my editing prowess and wipe it out.

    • Flavor said, on September 6, 2012 at 12:37 pm

      no, please leave it. It’s a code, I’m having the blog picked up at technorati and they need to see that to verify it

    • ewisco said, on September 6, 2012 at 12:37 pm

      i have no idea where that came from. nice to know that if i need help from alien abductors i know where to turn.

  18. snarkk said, on September 6, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    The starters may have as a group gotten dead arm. Cain and Vogy of the big three especially, they can’t seem to put hitters away when ahead in recent games. Hopefully, this will come around. Right now, I wouldn’t call this staff elite, either. It’s looking pretty average, and the Pen is nowhere near the nails it was in ’10 and ’11. I suppose you could say that level of excellence couldn’t continue in perpetuity. I’m very concerned about the Pen, because if the starters continue to falter, the middle pen is incendiary right now….

  19. Flavor said, on September 6, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Hey, whattya know, Lady B shut down for the season—The Rooster should have just listened to me when I broke that news to him a couple of weeks ago……

  20. Macdog said, on September 6, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Re home woes: It’s been the pitching and hitting, but I’d lean more toward the pitching. Over this wretched 7-13 home stretch, in the 13 losses, the Giants have been outscored 30-89. Allowing nearly 7 runs per game is damn near impossible for any offense to overcome. The offense isn’t completely blameless, scoring just over 2 runs per game, although that’s something the pitchers have overcome in the past. Just not lately.

  21. twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    I’m not trying to have a big argument about it- becausae it’s still up what I thought it would be- Tim and Zits. This is not a must win series but those two need to pitch well. Okay- one of them does. And I think we can all agree that we’d like to see more of Romo and Casilla and less of the Motley Crue…

  22. James said, on September 6, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    This team is 7th in the league in scoring playing in the single most difficult park for hiters in all of baseball. The pitchers, with the advantage of playing half the time at ATT, have been maybe a little above avg for the season at best. Given the emphasis that has been placed on the quality of our staff, and its strategic role, putting “blame” on the offense seems pretty misguided. Selecting a small run distribution sample to make a qualitative judgment about the offense when that distribution is completely random is meaningless.

    • Flavor said, on September 6, 2012 at 12:58 pm

      I was using the same sample size that Twin started the discussion using; Aug 1st.

      • unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 1:04 pm

        I used their last 4 home stands. Their longest homer of the year was their 10 gamer from July 23rd to August 3rd.

        This was where i thought they’d make their big move. Instead they went 3-7 . . . then again, they caught fire on the road.

        Crazy shit,

  23. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    I defend your right to say that, even if I don’t know what the fuck it means.

    The problem is, the Giants have been sucking at home. They are 9-14 since July 23rd. Whether pitching or hitting (or a combination of the 2 [ding ding ding ding!]), they’ve got to win at home if they want to win this.

    I really thought the comeback the other day would get them rolling, but sadly it didn’t. At least short-term.

  24. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    In other words, it isn’t any one thing that is killing these guys. It’s everything. A misplayed grounder, a missed called strike, too many walks, missed opportunities with guys on base, on and on. The little shit adds up.

    They need to tighten their shit up in all aspects of their game. And it starts with the pitchers getting out of the gate without giving up early runs. These comebacks have been nice, but really, they need to get ahead early and stay there. Hope the starters can at least get to the 7th without a big number on the board.

  25. PawlieKokonuts said, on September 6, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    On off days, you should serve coffee here. Have a seat. (Nice baristas!)

  26. Bozo said, on September 6, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Answering call 9BFHMNDGA97A, what’s up Flavor of the planet Giants?

  27. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Yeah, when I first got here this morning there was an Audi ad under the thread.


  28. snarkk said, on September 6, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Belt has been showing up lately and consistently at the plate, he’s proving to be growing into the job, as some of us suspected he would with time. However, in retrospect, I’m not sure why the Giants would ever want to draft again power position players that are LH hitters, given the ATT configuration. I should think 1b and 3b would be RH positions, along with at least one, preferably two of the OF positions. Panda is a switch, but his real power side is left handed. Mix and match is good, but the only real power field at ATT is left, so you need RH power, unless you find a Barry Bonds again…

  29. eddacker said, on September 6, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    I am glad this isn’t a Yankees blog, there is a team that is tanking it.
    Maybe we are too close to the action? There are other teams going through bad spells and teams that will recover.
    A trend like the one we are discussing is not great. But this team has good juju. They can turn things around. If now is the time the pitching staff picks to go all dead arm and injuries take out every left fielder we run out there, it sure makes it look like the baseball gods are frowning on San Francisco.

    • snarkk said, on September 6, 2012 at 2:10 pm

      I would love to see a POs with no Yanks, no Rsox. What would ESPN do? Special, hourly reports from NY and Boston on how the fans are handling the LACK of playoffs…

      • ewisco said, on September 6, 2012 at 2:40 pm

        far more frequently than hourly. It is the East Sports Programming Network.

      • unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 2:50 pm

        Or BSPN

  30. twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Bitching about the offense is just ingrained. It’s still hard to get much acknoiwledgement on the fact that ATT does hinder their offense. But whatever, thank God they do hit well on the road or we *would* be looking up at the Bums

  31. snarkk said, on September 6, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    I’ve got an extra ticket for this Saturday’s Cal vs. SouthernUtah lollapalooza at Berkeley. Noon start. I’m not sure Cal will even win, given last weeks performance. North end zone about 1/2 way up, on the side. Not bad. Downside is you have to sit next to me. Anyway, Flappers get it free, so if anybody wants to see this epic battle, just say so, we’ll figure out the details. Give a shout by end of game tonight, I’m looking to unload it by mid-tomorrow, otherwise I’ll just sell it to a scalper at the stadium for peanuts as a last resort…

  32. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    The Giants were 29-16 at home this year until their 9-14 run. It’s not like they haven’t won at home this year.

  33. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Edd, the good news is LA is scuffling pretty hard as well. They are doing even worse at home than the Giants, and are in a quandry as to why all their talent isn’t meshing.

    We’d better crush these guys, They are currently in more hurt than we are, and they have a lot more at stake. Adding $300 million to the payroll (midyear!) and then missing the playoffs would be incredibly awful for them. And hysterical for us Giants fans.

    • blade3colorado said, on September 6, 2012 at 3:32 pm

      Agree Chuck. There are “300 million” reasons that there is more pressure on the Bums to perform compared to us. Yes, an important series, but no need for undue worry. Remember, there are still 25 plus games to play. As Nipper says . . . Umm, remind me again what Nip says????? 🙂

      • Bozo said, on September 6, 2012 at 5:41 pm

        I’m pretty sure anyway.

  34. zumiee said, on September 6, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    I happily take one win in the series. We’d come out of there still up 4 in the loss column. The only bad scenario would be getting swept.

    • unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 3:30 pm

      Not me. They need to start winning at home. Their SPs need to settle down.

    • blade3colorado said, on September 6, 2012 at 3:38 pm

      Again, it wouldn’t be the end of the world with the scenario zumiee describes . . . Even a sweep isn’t cause for hand wringing and panic.

    • chipower9 said, on September 6, 2012 at 3:44 pm

      I agree, Zumie. A series win would be sweet, but a 1-2 series would not be cause for absolute panic.

    • snarkk said, on September 6, 2012 at 3:57 pm

      If Giants take 2 of 3, that means LA is down 7 in the loss column. That’s tough to come back from, given their road schedule upcoming. Giants win just one of three keeps LA in the hunt. Absolutely SF must not be swept…

  35. chipower9 said, on September 6, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    I’ll say it again.

    Giants go 13-12 rest of the way, that translates to 90 wins.

    Bums would have to go 18-8 to win the West with 91 wins.

    I like our (the Giants’) odds…

    • unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 4:14 pm

      Well, the other side of it is the Giants and Dogs play 6 more games with each other.

      A split would be 10-9 and 15-5. Doable.

      Dogs somehow sweep, and it’s 13-6 to 12-8. Much more even.

      I’d prefer to get these guys far enough behind for the last series not to matter.

  36. Flavor said, on September 6, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    As I said a couple of weeks ago, the Dodgers went after the wrong shit. They need starting pitching. Badly. There is no way they go 18-8 with Kershaw, a half interested Beckett and a back end rotation of Blant-auano-rang…It just isn’t happened. Plus, their closer is gone gone for the year. They’re fucked……

  37. twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Whatever happens this weekend, I think the Bums are DOA after the road trip to Washingon and Cincy, if not before..

  38. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Their last east coast roadie I thought they’d be dead. They went 7-3 vs Miami, Pittsburgh, and Atl.

    None too shabby.

    • unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 5:11 pm

      Their previous roadie (NYM, StL, SF) was 7-3.

  39. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Just saying they may not go away as easily as you think . . .

    • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2012 at 5:26 pm

      Well, we’ll find out, won’t we? Do you have a call on any of this?

      • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2012 at 5:52 pm

        And the Nats and Reds are far and away better than the other teams you list.

  40. demp28 said, on September 6, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    I think the Giants should just play the rest of the season on the road, or wear their road grays at home.
    Playing .500 ball the rest of the way should give the Giants the division title, I agree. But do you really want them to play .500 going into the postseason?. The team that usually gets hot the last two weeks of the season carries that momentum into the playoffs. Examples: 2010 Giants, 2011 Cardinals.
    Timmy needs to lock down the Bums.

    • demp28 said, on September 6, 2012 at 5:34 pm

      I also think, IMHO, that this weekend series is the biggest series the Giants will play since the final series in 2010 against the Padres. In this century old rivalry, you never know what to expect. I mean really, 3 different sweeps?
      Just being cautiously optimistic, I would much rather take two of three. I think we all would.

    • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2012 at 5:37 pm

      And some teams limp in and win it all, There’s no template. i doubt anyone is saying that that they want them to play .500 ball. As Clinton, said, it’s just arithmetic.

  41. James said, on September 6, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    “I defend your right to say that, even if I don’t know what the fuck it means.”

    Chuck, Since 8/1, the Gants have scored 63 runs and given up 86 at home over 16 games. So, the pitching has sucked, while the offense has been pretty fair over that time, certainly for ATT. That’s the story — not that they haven’t distributed their offensive output in such a way as to maximize their victories in the face of bad pitching. To put it another way, if the opposition had been limited by our pitching to, say, the not unreasonable total of 55 runs over that period of time, then we would have very likely won 2-3 of those 2.2 run per game losses. That’s simply, inarguably the way the numbers work.

    • willedav said, on September 6, 2012 at 6:22 pm

      so does this number mr. O–tmw sonny rollins turns 82, and still going strong.

      • James said, on September 6, 2012 at 7:08 pm

        He is an awesome survivor from a time and milieu that doesn’t have many. I’m gonna put on “Way Out West” right now.

        Hey, my son is the world’s umpteenth fledgling jazz guitarist, and he’s going to study music at UCSD. It’s a pretty cool dept., actually, with Anthony Braxton’s long time bassist Mark Dresser on the faculty.

  42. Flavor said, on September 6, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    James– for someone who is explaining “unarguably how numbers work” I’m surprised you’re ignoring some basic facts–as in, the known number of runs the giants scored in all 9 of those losses. In 8 of them they scored less than than their earn run average over the same period of time (from 8/1 on). Now, they weren’t pitching well over that time, that’s true. But to beat a team when you only score 3 runs your pitchers have to only give up 2. If they score 1 your pitchers must give up 0. These are basic facts about what the pitchers would have needed to give up in order to win those actual games that were played. Averages mean nothing in this case if you already know the number the opposition would have to score in order to beat them on each of those specific 9 games.
    And I argued that it was not reasonable to expect the pitching staff to give up less than 3 runs in the 7 games they scored 3 or less in. I’m writing this on my ph there may be many typos, sorry in advance.

    • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2012 at 6:22 pm

      Arguing that winnning the occasional 3-2, 2-1, or 1-0 game is completely reasonable.

      • Flavor said, on September 6, 2012 at 6:38 pm

        So when they scored 1 you think it would have been reasonable to tell the pitchers before the game “hey guys, I talked to a fortune teller today– she says you’re only scoring 1 tonight. Therefore, for you to win you cannot give up a single run tonight”. Of course it happens and isn’t a surprise when they only give up 1 or 2. I am saying that it cannot be a reasonable expectation that they do that on specific games– and since we know how many the giants scored we know the absolute maximum number they would be allowed to give up to the opposition on each of those games (except the games where they were shut out since there is no known outcome yet of a game that ends 0-0 after 9.

    • James said, on September 6, 2012 at 6:57 pm

      BF, if you outscore the opposition 62 – 55 over 16 games, you would have to be extraordinarily unlucky to finish with a 6-10 record (I included the Aug 1 game), even if SF’s runs scored distribution was exactly as it transpired over the August games. You would have to be pretty unlucky to finish below 500.

      • Flavor said, on September 6, 2012 at 7:11 pm

        I’m not arguing against that at all. Since we started kicking this around earlier today, all I have said is that in those 9 losses we only scored 20 runs– that’s anemic no matter what numbers you favor. And since we know how many we scored in each game then we know the maximum number that the staff would be allowed to give up in all games where we scored 1 or more runs.
        Clearly we’re just looking at this from different perspectives, I’m not saying anyone is wrong about this topic.

  43. Macdog said, on September 6, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    Any FL players who have held onto Mark Reynolds all year, your patience is being rewarded.

  44. Bozo said, on September 6, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    This has nothing to do with anything but I recall that when Randy Johnson signed on, one of the pitchers (I think it was Dirty but I could be wrong) told him the Giants didn’t score a lot of runs. Johnson turned to the guy and said that then they would have to pitch better (it’s not in quotes because I can’t remember if that was the exact line).
    “Okay, well, uh… candlesticks always make a nice gift,” let’s get two (or three).

    • Bozo said, on September 6, 2012 at 7:41 pm

      Oops I almost forgot. And Bleep the fucking shit out of the Dodgers.

      • Nipper said, on September 6, 2012 at 8:05 pm

        Yeah BLEEP!

    • willedav said, on September 6, 2012 at 8:32 pm

      Ezzactly. I remember Krukow telling the story about his days in philly one time when the hitters were struggling and a team meeting was called. He was kicking back with his PS buddies expecting the hitters to get a full ration and instead the mgr. jumped on the pitchers. His message was, you know they are scuffling, you need to pick them up and pitch better.

  45. zumiee said, on September 6, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    “If Giants take 2 of 3, that means LA is down 7 in the loss column.”
    Not to be picky, but that scenario puts LA down 6 in the loss column.
    Obviously, I want the Giants to do better than just winning one game; but baseball being baseball, crazy stuff can happen. The Giants could play really well and still lose all 3, or play shoddy and still win some of them. The Giants are struggling at home lately, and this Dodger series doesn’t come at the best time; so I’m just saying that winning at least one is good. Anything beyond that is a nice bonus.

    • demp28 said, on September 6, 2012 at 8:00 pm

      I’ve been reading a lot of the comments on here about how many games the Giants are going to win or lose this weekend. The majority sounds as if the Giants, the team we follow, is going to lose two of three. Seriously? Have some fucking faith people.

      • Nipper said, on September 6, 2012 at 8:05 pm


    • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2012 at 8:07 pm

      I’m not seeing where it’s a swell time for the Bums, either.But touching on what Craig sad about the pitchers seeing the future- actually, often they should-Zito would be pretty safe in figuring that he’ll probably have to give up 2 at most if we’re going to beat Kershaw- and the best competitors shine in those circumstances- as Vogie did earlier this year. They don’t always win, but we have every right and reason to expect a top effort. Same holds true with Tim tomorrow…

  46. Flavor said, on September 6, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    I think we’ll win 2 but if we lose all 3 I really only care *how* we lost them. Were they blow outs? Or was it just *how the ball bounces*? Was it shitty umpiring? Getting swept this weekend could mean nothing or it could be a sign of an ultimate outcome.
    Now, if WE sweep THEM? Yes, I think they’re done.

  47. willedav said, on September 6, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    I just can’t see LA hanging. No more Barbs, and Capuano and co seem to be fading. With Jansen out their pen dropped last two games to the Pads, thx to the likes of Guerrier just back, Jamey Wright and the kid tolleson who relieved Harang after he got shelled early yesterday. Our pen has more depth, imo.
    Not to mention Matt Kemp is 3 for his last 25. They don’t score much at home either for all the multi-million bucks they have spent on their LU. And I still think the ultimate edge is bochy over mattingly.

  48. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    ‘A call on any of this’ Mike?? Yeah I think the Dogs are going to win. Seriously, dude. What I think doesn’t really fucking matter, but yeah, Giants by 4.

    I’m concerned about the starting pitching. I’m concerned about how these guys have played at home in recent memory. Yeah, I’m throwing in the towel with a 4.5 game lead.

    Both these teams blow hot and cold. I don’t think either team makes a big move in this series, but the Giants have more to lose.

  49. TedSpe said, on September 6, 2012 at 10:10 pm


  50. TedSpe said, on September 6, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Trying to figure what the hell that is. Then I noticed. It was an amalgmation of the license plates to the two following cars:

    • TedSpe said, on September 6, 2012 at 10:34 pm

      Interesting tidbit….
      Notice there’s no music? All you hear is car engines and various background scuffala. The irony is, the director asked for “chase scene” music. But the film’s composer Lalo Schifrin said “Is ya’ll crazy??(I’m paraphrasing, of course). This scene works on its own. Let’s just hear the cars!!”

      Smart man

  51. TedSpe said, on September 6, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Good night, Steve McQueen.
    Wherever you are

  52. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    Self editing again, Ted? Great movie though. Filmed some of that at the old Hyatt House in Burlingame.

    • TedSpe said, on September 6, 2012 at 10:58 pm

      Too fucking cool !! Vanishing Point

      • James said, on September 6, 2012 at 11:24 pm

        This one is cooler:

  53. snarkk said, on September 6, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Steve McQueen was so cool, he was hot.
    I would take the ‘Stang over that POS Charger 8 days a week. Notice how the ‘Stang’s line is always inside the line the Charger had to take around the curvers and corners. My older brother had a ’67 metallic green Mustang with the little 289 V-8. The thing could motor. Sweet…

  54. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Oh, the series? Shit. 2 of 3. Tim Tim struggles but wins. Cainer wins. Bubbles is, well, Bubbles. Hate to say it, but I think he’s due a bad outing.

    • TedSpe said, on September 6, 2012 at 10:55 pm

      Self-editing? To quote a great American…You betcha.
      g’nite chuck

  55. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Clemens is still trying to wok himslef into sha[e to pitch in a ML game. Yawwwwwwwwwwwwn.

    • snarkk said, on September 6, 2012 at 10:54 pm

      If Houston let’s him pitch in a game just to push back his HOF date by another 5 years, they can move to the AL for all I care, and screw ’em. Now, if he strikes out 10 guys, well, somebody should make him pee in a cup as he comes off the mound. ;)…

      • TedSpe said, on September 6, 2012 at 11:14 pm

        hahaha. True. Anyways, again, goodnight gentlemen

  56. Flavor said, on September 7, 2012 at 8:09 pm


Comments are closed.

%d bloggers like this: