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Posted in Uncategorized by zumiee on September 19, 2012

Remember 1984? I don’t remember much about it. Ronald Reagan crushed Mondale and got re-elected. Mondale won his home state of Minnesota, and Washington, D.C.; and Reagan won everything else. Apple introduced Macintosh to the world. Michael Jackson caught on fire filming a Pepsi commercial. But what’s REALLY important is that on June 15th of that year, in Bellevue, Washington, little Timmy Lincecum entered the world. And later that year, on  October 1st, in Dothan, Alabama, little Matty Cain was born. Yes, it was a very good year, indeed. Uh….other than that Reagan thing. Feel free to make your own Orwell analogy about that. (grin)

Lincecum/Cain. The foundation upon which 2010 was built. At times, we just called them Lincecain. And we need that again in 2012, in October, especially. Lincecum looked better last night, and has made some incremental progress to looking like his ol’ self. Cain has had a very fine season, overall, highlighted by a perfect game and being the starting and winning pitcher in the All-Star game, of course. Currently, he is 14-5, with a 2.93 ERA. Outstanding numbers, but is probably a longshot to win the Cy Young because of Dickey having a terrific season, too, and is a sentimental favorite of the media. 

Lincecum, two Cy Youngs and a World Series ring; Cain, a perfect game, and a World Series ring. Huge accomplishments already in their relatively young careers. Cain is signed to a contract until 2017, and Lincecum has another year left on his contract, but has a less certain future with the Giants. He has been wildly inconsistent this season, with an emphasis on the “wild.” Cainer hasn’t been as sharp lately as he was earlier, but that is fairly normal for starting pitchers in the “dog days” part of the season. With the playoffs tantalizingly close, the expectation is that both Cain and Lincecum will raise their game. We need that if the Giants are to go deep into the playoffs. Bumgarner, Zito, and Vogelsong have all made major contributions to this season; but, ideally, Lincecum and Cain will be the dynamic duo leading the way in the starting rotation.

Cain has overtaken Lincecum as the ace of the staff. Tonight Cain will take the mound at AT&T, as he will in Game 1 of the divisional round of the playoffs, and that is a very comforting feeling for Giants fans. He’s The Horse, but he’s also a solid rock out there, stoic and calm, and ready to lead this team forward in his own quiet way. Cain, at age 27, is the longest serving current member of the team. He’s the guy who set the tone for the great team chemistry of this team over the last several years by not complaining about his historic lack of run-support, never throwing the Giants’ hitters under the bus. Cain wore those 1-0, 2-1, 3-2 losses with dignity and class, and has well-earned the respect he has from his team and the fans.

Here’s to you, Cainer. And Timmy, too. Little did we know back in 1984 the good news that was arriving.



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  1. snarkk said, on September 19, 2012 at 1:00 am

    Not sure it’s a guarantee Cain starts a PO series at ATT. They might start Timmeh, if he continues to improve. Then Cain second, since Cain does need to start at ATT, if the Reds are the opponent — he’s a fly ball guy, and fly balls are not cool at the Great American Lauching Pad in Cincy. I think I’d rather have Tim start in a possible game 5 at Cincy rather than Cain, but if he starts getting ripped, bring Cain in. Or, a crazy idea would be to pitch Cain first at ATT, then Zito second, since there’s no way Zito should pitch at Cincy. Yeah, probably crazy…

  2. bbl & waves said, on September 19, 2012 at 1:35 am

    Fantastic blog post Zumiee. I don’t remember much about 1984, but I do remember that in 1984, I got my first cassette tape (I was 6 years old), which was the Van Halen MCMLXXXIV tape that my older brother got me. Years later he admitted to trying to indoctrinate me, to make me a rocker if you will because the age of hip-hop was starting and he wanted to protect me from that stuff (even though he later admitted liking pretty much all kinds of music). I still love that album and all of the 80’s music that he exposed me to. Bands like Motley Crue, Metallica, Megadeath, Guns & Roses, Sex Pistols, Ramones and even Krokus for christ’s sake. On the lighter side, Phil Collins, Clapton, Steve Winwood etc. I decided to comment because your blog post brought back great memories of my childhood growing up with my hero – my brother. That’s about the time I started wearing Orange and Black, and really started getting into baseball. For me, that’s when life started.

    Cincy and Washington are very good teams – but we faced some very good teams in 2010, too. Who knows what will happen, but I gotta say, this season has been one of the more entertaining seasons I can remember. The great plays in the outfield, the perfect game, the clutch hits (we’re not used to those) and the moves Sabean has made like Scooter and Pagan. Hell, some said Posey wouldn’t recover, that he would have to play 1B full time. Some even said that his career as an elite player was over. Shit, has he proved those people wrong as he’s on the verge of grabbing the MVP award. Zito coming up clutch when Timmy didn’t. The loss of Melky (I hate that guy) and the team responding by winning games like it never happened. The joy of watching the Dodgers spend a quarter of a billion dollars and plummet. This season has been priceless! Oh, and agree on the Reagan thing too – eat your ketchup 😉

    • Chico said, on September 19, 2012 at 1:50 am

      Not sure why my name came up as my old username – but this is Chico. On Johndowdsrevenge my wordpress account is coming up as Chico, but not here. I’ll try and figure it out tomorrow.

      • Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 5:45 am

        not sure either. You used the same email address for both posts. Weird.

      • Chico said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:58 pm

        Figured it out Flav. I made my post and hit submit, but it took me to another page and asked me to sign into my wordpress account. The initial username was what your site recognized me as, but to comment on JDR’s blog, you need to have a wordpress acct.

  3. Nipper said, on September 19, 2012 at 3:16 am

    Yeah that Dodger spending spree is a farce. I guess it will pay off next season but not this one. Giants pick-ups and Pagan have added lots of triples and hits in general. Scutaro is really something. Nady paid off again.

  4. Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 5:53 am

    As I said last week, I think it’s entirely possible that Timmy starts game 1 of the playoffs. It would be a statement thing. And he’s pitching well enough to expect that he would raise his game in the playoffs as all good champions do. I still feel strongly that all 5 SP’s will be on the playoff roster for the NLDS (barring injury or unseen need in another area of the LU).
    The rotation would go (if it were me writing it): Timmy, Bum, Cain, Zito with Voggy rollin’ with his perma-game face on in the BP ready to step in if any of the 4 falter early on (and let’s face it, these days the only pitcher you REALLY trust to start and go deep in a game is Cain).
    Zito has pitched well against Cincy this year and in that ballpark (2012).

  5. ewisco said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:05 am

    the zito/timmy era battle is going to go down to the wire. The wife, twiscos and i will be attending our giant game of the year tonight. hope to see the steely eyed cain and a busfull of hits.

  6. Bozo said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:22 am

    Zum you blow my mind. Coming up with the year Tim and Matt were born while referencing the George Orwell classic. You know 1984 was published in 1949, the first year the NY Giants brought up Monte Irvin. Irvin wore number 7 that first year.

    Speaking of number 7, my main man Kevin Mitchell is today’s magic number photo (thanks Flav). I still have a VCR tape around somewhere of that catch. If you remember Mitch overran the ball, stuck up his bare hand and caught the ball while continuing to run into a part of the fence that had a door in the OF (bullpen door?). Another chapter in the lore of Kevin Mitchell.

  7. willedav said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:33 am

    You hand him the ball you are asking the SP to outduel the other guy–whatever analytic numbers you want to put up there, imo that’s all that matters. If the opposing SP is doing well, then it’s your job to hold the other team down until SF puts up some runs. If SF gets ahead, then it’s your job to keep them that way for as long as you can go.
    Only guy hasn’t done that lately is Vogs, and Z has been as effective as any of the others, lately, from his shutout of LA onwards. I think that one kind of propelled SF to finish strong and end all doubt about who is winning the division.
    SF has beaten the likes of Cliff Lee and Doc Holliday in playoffs before, and this LU can score runs, esp on the road. We have as good a pen and a better mgr. than anyone else standing, and D is solid. I don’t fear playing anyone anywhere.
    Zum mentions Bellevue—I’ve been there, my co. has a very successful store a block off downtown. It’s a pretty upscale area, akin to ritzier big trees areas of peninsula/south bay. Month from now I’ll be back to Seattle area for a biz trip, love to be basking.

  8. eddacker said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Excellent topic Zumie. Our two 1984 guys are both winners. And it is safe to say TL is back, not the old one, but the new one. He has always been a gamer and like the manager said last night: “You know, Timmy’s tough when he’s on his game. And he’s on it now. “It’s good for all of us, believe me, to see him pitch like this.”
    I am reasonably sure MadBum has a game face, especially in the big games. I think we are all lifted up with the way this team has come together.
    Speaking of game faces, it sounds like WilleD has his on: “I don’t fear playing anyone anywhere.” bo-yeah!
    Great choice for countdown pic, as Bozo said. I remember that game and how shocked we were when he did that bare-handed catch. It came out of nowhere.
    so here is to the duo of 1984. Go Giants!

  9. eddacker said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:58 am

    The wild card game:
    I read today where the WC, which is still being fine tuned because they had already set the schedule when they signed the deal for the two team play-in, will bring out some interesting 25-man squads for the one game. A manager sets his team for that game and can set a different team for any games after that. So, you may see only one starter eligible for that game with a team carrying 11 pitchers and 10 of them RP. Or extra at bat guys if they have the luxury.

  10. twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Well, think it’s a darn shame that Bochy will pay no attention to Denny’s poll and
    pitch the presumptive ERA winner ahead of Lincecum..
    The big disappointment is Vogey, as he could have saved us from the Zitman. Is there still time? Very iffy…BTW, how Zitter has pitched “lately” is of zero import unless it’s April and there is no pressure to perform. After that, it’s a coin toss and the smart money is on “ass up”. We need divine intervention…

    • twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 9:37 am

      While it’s all but certain that the first three are Cain, MadBum, and Lincecum ( with the exact order subject to the match up), even those three are hardly locks to hold the Reds or Nats down- I can definitely see the bats and pen being the deciders. I’d still much rather see Casilla closing, and being set up by Romo and the loogies, but it’s hard to argue with how Bochy has handled the commitee..I hate having a starter as a rellief guy, however,.If they carry 11 pitchers, as in 2010, a guy who is a good reliever will be left off for one who is a totally unproven reliever. So I hope they carry 12 pitchers if they’re really going to carry 5 starters…

    • Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 9:53 am

      you’ve hated on him all year, why stop now? You had your “wait till Sept” thing to fall back on a crutch but now that he’s been fantastic in September where do you go? I guess that’s what this post is all about……

      • twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:02 am

        No, I hated him for five years, not a few months. I hardly waited, or waffled… He SUCKS. He pitched three “great” games in September of 2010 also- but he still SUCKED when it really mattered…amazing how often he’s fooled so many, so often…

      • Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:14 am

        Look, you were wrong about him. He’s gonna beat Timmy on overall ERA (rather easily, I might add). He’s 12-8 and he’s pitched many, many big games for us this year when it mattered. Being wrong about him this year shouldn’t be a reason to hate him

      • twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:23 am

        Well, maybe I was wrong. I just checked FanGraphs and he’s the 9th most valuable pitcher on the team. So he definitely belongs on the playoff roster…

    • twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:16 am

      Yeah, that stupid Bochy isn’t going to pitch him ahead of Lincecum.

      • Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:18 am

        nor should he. And I already explained the reasons why it makes sense to have Timmy pitch Game 1. We’ll see if it happens or not.

      • twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:25 am

        It wil be Cain. And tell me again how Vogie’s bombings have been “misleading”..

      • Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:38 am

        Tell me again about how bad Crawford is going to be this year? Tell us all about what a terrible trade it was to give up fucking worthless Vungo for Angel Pagan? And finally, tell everybody about what a shitty pitcher Zito is this year (18-10 in his starts).
        It probably will be Cain, but you fucking telling us about an even money bet is hardly interesting. I gave my reasons of why I’d start Tim but I don’t think it’ll happen. And I don’t care, I was just sharing my opinion.
        Why don’t you find someone else to go after today……

  11. Macdog said, on September 19, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Great stuff, Z. Lots of good memories from ’84 (although Reagan’s not one of them), among them watching the last-place Giants sweep the contending Mets in a late August doubleheader at Shea.

    On the day Timmy was born, the Giants lost 3-2 to the Padres at the Murph. Ed Whitson went 7 for the win and Goose pitched the last 2 for the save. Jeff Robinson lasted just 2 1/3 and gave up 3 ER and 7 H, including a 2-run HR to Graig Nettles to give the Pads a 3-1 lead in the 3rd. Padres, of course, went on to win their first NL West title and first NL pennant.

    Matty was born the day after the season ended, the Giants finishing 66-96 and in last place for the first time since 1946.

    Another great pic by Flav. Funny, I would’ve sworn it happened toward the middle of the season and not that early.

    • zumiee said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:14 am

      Probably the most important thing for the Giants on the field in ’84 was that Krukow and Kuiper were teammates and becoming great friends, which would lead to such great chemistry as a broadcast team later on.
      It was strange seeing Steve Garvey in those dookie-colored Padre uniforms that season. But those Padres made it all the way to the World Series, only to be beaten by a Tigers team that was outstanding, wire to wire. Two former Giants were contributors to that Tigers team. Darrell Evans and Dave Bergman. Giants players used to call Evans “Howdy Doody” and I never got the reference until I finally saw a photo of Howdy Doody, and I thought, OK, I get it. Man, teammates can have cruel humor. (grin)

  12. Salty said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:00 am

    I think Zito has been clutch in some big games this year. Don’t think pressure is an issue with him. In fact, I think this year he’s out to make up for 2010. And he’s got post season experience although it was awhile ago. On the other hand, Vogey has experience as a reliever and can make the transition to the pen

    • twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:11 am

      As noted, he pitched 3 good games in September of 2010 before he gagged. In fact, he was better in 2010 than now, except in W-L…

      • Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:17 am

        he lost 5 fucking games in September, 2010. To not give him credit for the big games he’s pitched this year is just too funny. I think the Giants are like 18-10 in games he’s pitched this year.

      • twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:37 am

        Well, like I said, I was wrong-at 1.3 million in performance value, he’s 9th best on the staff and if they go with a 9 man roation, he’s should be in there..

      • Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:40 am

        as I said above, find someone else to target today, I’m not interested in discussing shit with you.

    • twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:44 am

      And I never said he hasn’t pitched some good games, he’s always done that sporadically- what I I’ve always said is that the Joker of Darkness will let the team down when he’s needed most..But hey, he IS a serviceable 5. Too bad Vogie made him a 4…

      • twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:47 am

        You responded to me, Flavor. I didn’t didn’t say anything to you..

  13. unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:01 am

    I think we all know how Bochy will deal with Bubbles if it even comes to that. He’s always on a short leash, and Boch has no qualms pulling Zito after 4.2 (or less) if need be. He DID show faith in Timmy last night, which I’m sure was appreciated by Timmy. He should have gotten through the 6th, but there were a lot of misplays on ball hit to the IFers. And, as many have said, there’s no way Bubbles comes out of the pen. That role likely goes to Vogie. In other words, I don’t think any starters get left off like Zito did in 2010.
    I just wonder what happens if there are 2-3 teams tied for the last WC spot. Play-ins to play-ins. The winning team will be doing a lot of travelling in a short span of time.

    • zumiee said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:25 am

      Someone on the Flap (Ed?) said they are going to use head-to-head season records in case of a tie, which would be a first for MLB, and not an ideal solution.

  14. unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:05 am

    1984 was the year I packed all my crap in my car and moved to Colorado. I always wanted to live in the mountains, so off I went to Aspen. Working 3 jobs to get my ass on the slopes . . . Good times.

    • zumiee said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:23 am

      I was a struggling college student, sharing an apartment with three other guys, working and going to school.
      Should I study for that test tomorrow, or….join the late-night wiffleball game in some improvised location? Oh, decisions, decisions…..

  15. ewisco said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:23 am

    KFOG 10-at10 is featuring 1984. just heard some of the Reagan/Mondale debate.

    • Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:25 am

      nice. They must’ve read Zum’s lead……

      • zumiee said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:40 am

        During that campaign that year, I think, is when Reagan was caught on a “hot mic” cracking a joke about outlawing Russia and dropping nuclear bombs on them. There wasn’t as much media attention to gaffes like that in those days.
        I was extremely uninterested in politics in those days, although I did read a fair amount of history.
        I was negative about Reagan mainly because he helped cut back on student aid for college students after he became president, which made things a bit more difficult for me. I wasn’t thinking of politics in terms of partisanship in those day; I just held that student aid thing against Reagan on a personal level. It wasn’t until later that I started paying attention to actual partisan party policies.
        I want college students to vote, of course, but I have some sympathy for how non-poltical people can be at that age. You’re young, and you’re feeling more freedom than you’ve felt before, and politics can seem distant.
        It was the bands that I was listening to that got me thinking of politics. Bands like U2 and the Clash made it “cool” to be political again, catching the spirit of the ’60s and bringing it forward.

  16. Salty said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:35 am

    New Yorker has a poll that shows Romney leading among voters who have never heard him speak.

    • Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:40 am


    • zumiee said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:48 am

      That’s hilarious, and also shows why the upcoming three debates are fraught with peril for Romney. He doesn’t do well in public speaking. Some of his recent press conferences have been cringe-inducing, although maybe not as cringe-inducing as the Arkansas football coach’s press conference.

      • snarkk said, on September 19, 2012 at 2:33 pm

        I’d like to see a debate where only regular Americans get to the ask the questions. These news people ask the stupidest, most long-winded, easily evaded questions. And, the questioner has the power to stop the candidate in mid-response and shut them up for answering a question not asked. These debates aren’t debates at all, they’re an opportunity to spout scripted soundbites. I’d like to see a debate like the old SNL skit with Akroyd and Jane Curtin: “Jane, you ignorant slut”…

      • unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2012 at 2:33 pm


  17. zumiee said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:56 am

    The Reno Aces, a D-Back affiliate, won the AAA championship on the MLB network. And their manager is…..Brett Butler. Cool for him.

  18. zumiee said, on September 19, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Any mixed feelings on the Dodgers/Nats doubleheader today? Dodger losses do wonderful things to the Giants’ magic number, but Nat losses also give the Giants an outside chance of catching them on best record, and subsequent homefield advantage, although that’s not as important in the divisional series.

    • zumiee said, on September 19, 2012 at 11:08 am

      My inclination is to root for a Nats sweep, and see the Dodgers get buried further.

      • twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 11:23 am

        Well, I don’t want Bochy to have to worry about doing the “right thing” by playing his regulars during that last series, so I sure don’t want the Bums even in the WC hunt.

  19. Macdog said, on September 19, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Hey Flav, you better have three pictures lined up. There’s a possibility that by the end of tonight’s game, the magic number could be cut nearly in half. How cool would that be?

  20. PawlieKokonuts said, on September 19, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Zumie, an elegaic post. Lyrical. 1984. 2012. Yes.

    • zumiee said, on September 19, 2012 at 11:17 am

      Thanks, these are great times for Giants fans, and I’m trying to be “in the moment” more and really appreciate all that’s going on.

  21. zumiee said, on September 19, 2012 at 11:10 am

    The second Wild Card addition is not a cool thing for my wife’s Braves this season. The Braves, as first Wild Card, will have to play that one-game nightmare game.

    • snarkk said, on September 19, 2012 at 11:24 am

      At least it’ll be held in the land of the Chop. They might have a sellout…

  22. eddacker said, on September 19, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Wild Card tiebreaker:
    The first tiebreaker would be a head-to-head comparison. If the teams split their season series, the tiebreaker would then become the team with the highest winning percentage in games played inside its own division. If the teams are still deadlocked, the tiebreaker becomes winning percentage during the last half of the season — but excluding interleague play.
    It gets more complicated after that with many scenarios for multiple teams. If divisions are tied for a winner those tiebreaker games would take place before any WC games.
    Above I mentioned the roster moves that the WC game will create as this year is unique and things will change next year with the benefit of hindsight.

    • twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 1:58 pm

      It’s difficult to fathom a more unsatisfactory way to decide a postseason spot than a one game playoff. Unfortunately the only reasonable way to do it entails shortening the regular season, and the owners would sell their daughters into slavery before they’d take 8 games off of the regular schedule to accomodate a 3-game series and a season that would end before Gramps was carving the turkey…

  23. Macdog said, on September 19, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Omar Vizquel still gettin’ it done: Just ripped a double into the RF corner to get the Jays to within 3-2 of the Yanks and nearly tied it, but the runner was held at 3rd.

  24. Irish Kevin said, on September 19, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    1984 was when I proposed to my now wife, married in 85, still going strong. She is vietnamese, didn’t know a whole lot about sports. Which was good for me, turned her into a Giants and Niner fan. she follows both now. even gives me her opinion on the teams!! ha ha She is a doomer though. I have to take her away from the ledge alll the time.

    • unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2012 at 2:37 pm

      Living with you does that, eh Kevin? I kid, I kid. . . .

      The one game playoff may suck, but how about losing out in your WC hopes because your non-interleague post all star game record is one game worse than the other team’s?

      Way to go, Bud. Might as well flip a fucking coin.

      • Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 3:01 pm

        It’s re-drawing how significant it is to win a WC berth. I, for one, love the fact that the WC is now reduced in importance. While a WC team can still win the WS it will now be much harder to do so. And the proper weight for winning your division has now been established. Plus, from a random fan standpoint, that one game is gonna be fun as hell to watch……

  25. twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Having the WC playoff one game vs,.three does nothing to estabish the proper weight to winning the division. The division winners still sit out while the WCs batlle it out whether it’s one game or three. Adding the extra WC and having them play for the right to go on is what makes it harder on the WC, not the fact that the WC playoff is one game….

    • Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 3:42 pm

      Theoretically it would cause the WC teams to empty their bench/bullpen and maybe burn their best pitcher—the winner would be weakened a bit and that is what I was referring to by the proper weight comment– you now have a little leverage on the WC as the division winner–and that’s as it should be, I think. Too many .500 teams (or around .500) are getting hot for a particular few days in the playoffs–that’s lame.

      • twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 3:48 pm

        Well.,we diasagree on whether the one game playoff is a good idea…

  26. unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Well, I still think it’s pretty hokey to decide by NOT playing games if there are ties. Seeing the amount of teams still in the NL chase, a tie is nigh inevitable. Say 3 teams tie for the 1 spot. 2 are out based on random numbers? The point being, playing 162 games is a loooong season. To get pushed out of the playoffs because of a random determining factor is lame.

    The whole thing stinks. Granted, it keeps baseball interest higher as the NL would be pretty much sewn up if not for this, but why not just make it NBA style? More is better? Slippery slope and all that.

  27. unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Pagan CF
    Scutaro 2B
    Sandoval 3B
    Posey C
    Pence RF
    Belt 1B
    Blanco LF
    Crawford SS
    Cain P

  28. Macdog said, on September 19, 2012 at 4:14 pm


    • twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 4:15 pm

      Be that way 😉

      • Macdog said, on September 19, 2012 at 4:19 pm

        And the night is young.

  29. twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 4:14 pm


  30. PawlieKokonuts said, on September 19, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    As noted above: magic number is VI, as in SIX, as in I SECOND that emotion.

  31. Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    I think we can all agree on wanting to wrap the division up as soon as possible. Several players need a little rest and that includes the pitchers arms, IMO.
    Bochy has done an amazing job this season but the thing that has blown my mind has been his execution of a closer-by-committee rotation. It never works, it’s never even tried on a team in contention, and he’s managed it brilliantly.
    I’m about to put up the pic for #6 and it might be my favorite yet. There’s a lot going on in that pic….

  32. PawlieKokonuts said, on September 19, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    The Dodgers are 9, as in one two three four five six seven eight NINE, games behind. Being a shade doomerish, I can’t say I ever imagined a lead this big at this point in the season, or at any point. But, YAY!!!!

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on September 19, 2012 at 5:06 pm

      And this road trip will kill the Dodgers. It will ruin them. It’s ridiculous that they have to undertake such a trek this late in the campaign against an NL East rival no less, but don’t cry for me, Argentina. Or Peru or Kazakhstan.

  33. twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Here’s the big number, IMO: Sixty-Eight. And that is the RBI total for Scutaro and Pence. I know some of you have said it first, but Scooter HAS to be one of the greatest deadline acquisitions in The History of the World,

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on September 19, 2012 at 5:11 pm

      yeah, Hugo Chavez should name an oil refinery after him — at the least.

    • eddacker said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:40 pm

      Some guys come up or change teams and can’t grab that chance by the horns and ride it.
      Some guys do. Word is giants made an inquiry on Marco during the hot stove league. And when Col listed him as available before the trade deadline Sabean went for it and won.

  34. PawlieKokonuts said, on September 19, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Len Berman in his Top 5 daily email said today the first score he looks at is the Pirates’. Whew. Talk about free fall. I’m still hoping they end with a winning record. Their fans deserve it.

    • zumiee said, on September 19, 2012 at 5:29 pm

      Len Berman! There’s a blast from the past. I’ve lost track of him through the years.
      Sad news about the death of Steve Sobol of NFL films. NFL films is excellent at what it does.

      • PawlieKokonuts said, on September 19, 2012 at 5:39 pm

        If interested, Zumie, email me through the Stable Unstable Boys email list fori subscription info; it’s typically a pretty good read. Back in 1979 or -80 I wrote Len Berman a note at the station he worked for in NYC, WCBS, I think. I don’t recall why or about what. But I was always impressed he replied with a personal note. Then when I asked him for a book blurb, he was on it right away. So, this SU alum has been great to me.

      • PawlieKokonuts said, on September 19, 2012 at 5:40 pm

        Was Sabol often on ESPN Radio? If he was the guy I heard just last week, he was so brilliant even I (a casual NFL fan) was bowled over.

      • zumiee said, on September 19, 2012 at 6:04 pm

        I don’t know, but I’m going to guess it was him. He was multi-talented. It’s pretty rare when the behind-the-camera person turns out to be an in-front-of-the-camera talent. He hosted NFL Film shows, and did real well with it. He had a real good broadcaster’s voice, and really knew the game well.

  35. zumiee said, on September 19, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    This is the Giants’ “A” lineup tonight, with the exception that the X-man will be in leftfield against lefthanders. Schulman pressed Bochy on the “other” lineup’s chances to see the light of day in the playoffs. The Hector-c, Posey-1b, Belt-lf lineup, and it sounds like Schulman couldn’t get a definitive answer from Bochy on that. Sounds like perhaps Bochy just wants to see how things play out, who has the hot bat.

  36. Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    Hunter Pence: 45 games, 36 rbi’s. And countless balls smashed to the wall. He’s been fantastic for us this year.

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on September 19, 2012 at 5:54 pm

      The anti-Beltran. Even though I’ve critiqued Pence’s varied forms of athletic awkwardness, I love the guy. In fact, his awkwardness says to me: “Remember how awkward but eager you were as a kid/ Even THAT person can persist and become a big leaguer, and a good one.” Now let me dab away a tear.

      • blade3colorado said, on September 19, 2012 at 6:17 pm

        Anti-Beltran? Don’t get me started . . . As I said previously, “hate” is not in my vocabulary, but I really detest Beltran. By himself, he has been a one man wrecking crew to my FL Flap team.

  37. Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Bud’s gonna sit by quietly if Melky wins the batting title. He is 110% utter doosh-bag if he does that…….

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on September 19, 2012 at 6:32 pm

      I believe this was ignored when I said it the first time: Isn’t the following disaster possible: Melky becomes eligible during NLDS + Giants don’t want to activate him + the union protests = clusteryouknowwhat

      • zumiee said, on September 19, 2012 at 6:36 pm

        Someone said that the Giants would have to pay him, (a playoff share?), but wouldn’t have to put him on the playoff roster.

      • Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 6:50 pm

        As I said at the time, what possible influence could the P-union have over who makes the playoff roster? that’s entirely a management decision, though I bet Snarkk would have something more informed to say

      • PawlieKokonuts said, on September 19, 2012 at 6:58 pm

        Well, maybe you have a point. The union didn’t file a grievance when Zito was left off. nor did — wait for it — Jose Guillen.

  38. zumiee said, on September 19, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    Regarding NFL films…..I can see the point of some of the criticism that’s been leveled at NFL films over the years, that they over-do the drama, and try to make some games seem like they are the Allies on Normandy Beach or something. I think those excesses were more so in the early years of NFL Films. I think they backed off the over-dramatics as they went along. I have some 49er highlight films they did, and they’re not over-the-top. Just real well done.

    • twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:00 pm

      CBS actually lost (that was their story), or even more incredibly, failed to archive, many of their games, including the famous Ice Bowl game- the only video of the game is what NFL Films did- without .that,one of the greatest games in NFL history would be lost forever. No full video or audio of the game exists.

  39. snarkk said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    When Melky was suspended for PEDs, he was placed on the Restricted List for the duration of the 50 game suspension. When the suspension period is over, the player must be immediately reinstated to the active roster if he was on it immediately prior to the suspension. If the suspension period ends during the post season for which his team is involved, the suspended player must be reinstated and is eligible to play at that time if he was on the team’s active roster immediately before the suspension (Melky was). So, my understanding is that the Giants must either leave a place open for Melky to accommodate him coming off the Restricted List during the playoffs (first series, I guess), or they will have to DFA him the day he comes off suspension. Note also that a player loses salary, but does NOT lose MLB service time for the duration of the suspension period. Since it’s in the drug policy, I don’t believe the union has any formal input to the Giants decision, before or after. Melky’s lost his salary by rule, there’s no issue to that. The Giants can decide to play him or release him, as far as I can tell. In here if you want to read it… http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/pdf/jda.pdf

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:24 pm

      That seems to support the stickiness/awkwardness factor I was concerned about.

    • twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:46 pm

      I’d think there is some way arund that or one of the media would be reporting it. Not disputing what you say, just seems odd that no one is reporting it.

      • snarkk said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:51 pm

        There me may some nuance I’m missing. That’s what I get out of a quick read of what appear to me to be the relevant sections. Seems dumb to me that they planned for a suspension to come off during playoffs, but there’s no discretion given to the team to not accept the player back at that critical time due to his not being in shape. The team should be able to put him off until next season with no roster ramifications one way or the other…

      • twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:57 pm

        If they don’t want him back, I just read that they do have to reinstate him but can then DFA him immediately. Don’t know the accuracy of that, either.

    • wswin said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:56 pm

      The club also faces a dilemma if it advances to a sixth postseason game and Cabrera becomes eligible for reinstatement. The organization is so angry with Cabrera, his chance of wearing a Giants uniform again in 2012 falls into the “fat” category.

      However, the collective-bargaining agreement requires the Giants to reinstate Cabrera to the 40-man roster unless they immediately designate him for assignment. If they do that, they lose the right to tender Cabrera a qualifying offer of about $13 million for 2013 so they can get a compensatory draft pick if he signs elsewhere as a free agent.

      The qualifying offer would have been a no-brainer had Cabrera not gotten caught using performance-enhancing drugs. Now? Not so much.

      Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/Cabrera-to-get-full-postseason-share-3868855.php#ixzz26yVMiqo2

      • snarkk said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:03 pm

        There’s the nuance. Thanks. I would think it highly likely they’ll DFA. He’ll become an FA, his price will be way devalued, they could still sign him. If they think he’s a clubhouse leper now, the loss of the pick is probably a small price to pay…

  40. PawlieKokonuts said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Whooops. Nats just tied Dodgers after being down 6-0. That team in D.C. has IT this year. Not surprised.

  41. Macdog said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    What was once a 6-0 Dodgers lead is now 6-6, Nats scored 6 in the 8th.

  42. eddacker said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Classic by Pablo!

    • snarkk said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:48 pm

      How he hit that out, I dunno. Good, but it only reinforces him swinging at more shit. Supposedly Bochy and Barney Rubble’s kid are working with Pablo diligently on his “patience”. I haven’t seen much of that…

    • twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:01 pm

      If he didn’t swing at crap, he wouldn’t have made the bigs in the first place. IMO.

      • snarkk said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:03 pm

        They’re trying with him to refine “crap”…

      • Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:23 pm

        twin is right but it’s a testament to how all poor kids get out of the DR–they swing at everything. No one *walks* their way out of the DR into an mlb contract………

      • snarkk said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:32 pm

        I would agree, but Pablo is from Venezuela…

  43. eddacker said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    IF, AOF, we can rest guys for a week, Belt is not one of the one’s that needs rest?

  44. Alleykat said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    I was real sad to hear of the passing of Steve Sabol.Always looked forward to watching NFL Films.Him and his father Ed revolutionized sports tv,with just their all out passion for fotball and dedication in the film room for their weekly shows,truly cutting edge stuff at the time.
    RIP Steve,you will truly be missed!!!
    And Twin….The Ice Bowl Game between the Pack &Cowboys like you said and I would totally agree ,was one of the greatest games and overall test of players and freakin fans endurance for that matter,(sure most were drinking Jack Daniels or worse)wind chill factor of -17 below that I ever witnessed,and I was freezing my ass off as kid watching it on TV back in 67…grin..;
    Loved that game,and Bart Starr scoring the winning TD on that QB sneak with just enough room created by Forest Gregg as time was running out.Beautiful!

    • eddacker said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:53 pm

      there is no more iconic battle picture than from that game with the teams set on the line(s) the snow falling, steam rising from each breath, evidence of the conflict on their helmets, faces, uniforms. Beautiful.

      • snarkk said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:56 pm

        Could be from this year’s World Series…

      • eddacker said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:00 pm

        Mr. snarkk, you must be one hell of a negotiator, you always have a comeback! Your kids must be learning to think on their feet.

      • snarkk said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:05 pm

        They are, edd. Maddening, these whippersnappers.
        Chips off the ol’ pain in the ass…

    • twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:06 pm

      You mean Jerry Kramer? Some say he was offsides, and in fact one of the replacement refs just called it…

  45. eddacker said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    MLB tv does not show the “updates” of local broadcasts so I miss seeing Papa and how bad y’all say he is.

  46. willedav said, on September 19, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Since getting some time off Pablo has come back strong. Yes he is big, but he has hit and fielded well since then. Hey, if he can yank one into the screen on a pitch aimed at his back foot, then swing away. He is what he is, fully capable of looking bad on a pitch way out of the K zone, or whacking the same ball hard and far.
    I know there has been a lot of vitriol directed his way, but I just think it will be really hard to find a suitable replacement if you trade him.

    • snarkk said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:07 pm

      I’d love to NOT trade him. Just straighten him out a little. Figure out how he can maintain at about 230-240 lbs., and cut down his strike zone parameters even 10%. Those would be huge…

  47. Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Snarkk– thanks. I’m translating that to an easy decision for the Giants: DFA. If you aren’t planning on bringing him back next year why wouldn’t they just go the DFA route? Pay his ass, who cares. Just don’t let him ever get inside the clubhouse again.
    Is there anything that would allow the team to have him play in a lower league for a certain number of games to display readiness?
    Look, a lot of this has to do with Melky and his agent’s advice. If the Giants were forced to put him on the playoff roster, Sabean could just say he’s never gonna play. And how stupid would he look sitting on a lonely bench blowing bubbles? His agent would never support that

    • Bozo said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:54 pm

      “Is there anything that would allow the team to have him play in a lower league for a certain number of games to display readiness?”

      Coming off the DL there is (I don’t remember the amount of days before the club has to make a move), coming off of the Restricted List, I’m not sure.

  48. Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    I’m not sure if the size of the magic number pic is disallowing it from being completely appreciated.
    I think that’s Rennie Stennent (#6). The other 2 guys look like they’re about to fuck each other. Or the dude on the (L) is trying to convince the dude on the (R) to stay (or to stop fucking other men). I dunno. It’s freaking classic, that’s all I know…….

    • snarkk said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:30 pm

      Definitely a burgeoning bromance…

  49. Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Baer set the USA Little League champs up in the fucking upper deck? With all those sweet seats/areas/luxury boxes? You’re telling me they couldn’t fit the team and their dad’s into 2 luxury boxes?
    Weak on the Giants part…………

  50. Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    It’s quite clear that Cain is trying to grow facial hair. He can’t grow a really full beard, obviously, he’s not going with B-Wheezy’s look but he’s clearly trying to get some major scruff going for the playoffs. I like it, he’s planning ahead…….

  51. twinfan1 said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    Chelsea likes it fuzzy ?

  52. Bozo said, on September 19, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Panda on the move.

    • Bozo said, on September 19, 2012 at 9:04 pm

      Belt bringing him home.

  53. Bozo said, on September 19, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    WTG Blanco. Well, kinda fucked up trying to take the extra base, but two RBIs works for me.

  54. zumiee said, on September 19, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    Nice game from Blanco. When we get production from leftfield, that’s huge.

  55. eddacker said, on September 19, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    these are the teams we are ‘supposed’ to beat and we are. I have never thought of the Giants as a team with a dominate your opponent attitude. Winning, yes, giving a beat down every time you play? Not really.
    I can now see other teams starting to give them respect as they have offence all over that LU.

  56. eddacker said, on September 19, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    So, does the CBC give Cain a rest or is it dance with the one that brung ya? which I think is a rule with SP.

  57. Flavor said, on September 19, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    If we win, it’s [5] and that’s gonna be just too obvious, right? I’ll sleep on it

    • Bozo said, on September 19, 2012 at 9:32 pm

      When it gets to four, I’m guessing Mel Ott.

  58. Bozo said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:13 pm


  59. Macdog said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Gimme five!

  60. TedSpe said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    zumiee!!! This was my first time to comment and I apogize for the lateness. So allow me just to say…
    BEAUTIFUL lead off, my friend!! 1984 references?

    Hope you’re still awake.
    Now…Giants win. What’s the lucky number?

    • zumiee said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:46 pm

      Thanks, Ted!
      Ain’t this like the greatest song ever!

      • TedSpe said, on September 19, 2012 at 10:55 pm

        Actually, it’s one of the most annoying songs ever.
        Yeah…loving it

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