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Sabean and Bochy in the Driver Seat

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 6, 2012

As most of you saw, the Giants picked up the 2014 option on both Sabes and Bochy. So they are locked up with us for the next 2 seasons. Baer said he’s going to start working on 2015, but if you are Sabean and Bochy do you want to see what other teams would offer? I know they love working together and they certainly have a good thing going in SF. And whatever anyone thought of them before, it is impossible to deny their genius—-2 world series titles in 3 years is proof of that. And it makes you think that the biggest market teams who lost yet again last year will want to throw big dollars at these two men.

Do you guys think they would consider bailing on SF or are they happy where they are?

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  1. salty said, on December 6, 2012 at 8:06 am

    I think they love it here and why not?. Best job in baseball…where else??

  2. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 6, 2012 at 8:10 am

    I would be shocked if they go anywhere. Sabean may have a long desire to head back east at some point but he has been here a while now and is in a very unique postion. Having been with the club for so long and ushering in the new park and everything he’s been able to set up a culture and his longevity enforces it. Why go anywhere else?

  3. blade3colorado said, on December 6, 2012 at 8:12 am

    I am still amazed that some people questioned Bochy’s genius in the playoffs and World Series regarding his rotation order and selection, even going so far as to say that he would be looking for another job next year. Uhh huh. Hilarious.

    • Bozo said, on December 6, 2012 at 9:26 am

      Yeah Blade, I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that Bochy would be fired for starting Bum in the Playoffs.

  4. Alleykat said, on December 6, 2012 at 8:25 am

    There not going anywhere.Like Salty said they have the best gig in the majors.They have built a dynasty with great pitching,solid D on the infield,with potential GG Posey,Belt and Crawford on the infield.Sure Sabes and Bochy are estatic the whole Barry Bonds and his row of Barcaloungers are cleared out as well.This team is “All In” with their belief in “Winning” now.

  5. willedav said, on December 6, 2012 at 8:48 am

    I also think the revenue stream of a sold out yard plus all the gear and post season extra games that translates into bean counters upping the payroll factors into it too. Once they clear the stadium debt no reason SF can’t continue to have one of the higher payrolls, keep its stars here and attract FAs.
    flav I dig the daily loo-isms, but some of his trade proposals were head scratchers. At sept 2010 Pablo was at lowest ebb and had many detractors here and everwhere, but he has rebounded nicely. He hustles his butt off, dives into stands and railings to catch foul balls, and is improving his patience as a hitter. By all accounts he’s as good a teammate as there is. Yes he’s big, but dude can play and 3b is a tough position to fill. Hope he is able to man it here for many years to come, while overpaid/overrated Hanley and his tired me first act rots in LA which I’m sure won’t be his last stop.

    • Flavor said, on December 6, 2012 at 8:54 am

      well I’m not trying to match any of his retro-posts to today. I’m just throwing random ones out there for all to enjoy.

      • chipower9 said, on December 6, 2012 at 9:17 am

        Yeah…i dig them…

      • blade3colorado said, on December 6, 2012 at 1:44 pm

        It’s almost dinner time at Riker’s. Sigh.

  6. chipower9 said, on December 6, 2012 at 8:49 am

    I don’t see either going anywhere. Sabean is the longest-tenured GM is San Francisco history (been here since 1997). Both he and Bochy have never hidden the admiration and respect they have for one another, both on a professional and personal level. They both probably have all the money they will ever need.

    With an ownership group that is obviously committed to winning (Charles Johnson, the principal owner is the richest dude in MLB), arguably the best yard in the world, and a fan base that rivals that of any professional sports franchise, why would they consider going anywhere else.

  7. chipower9 said, on December 6, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Speaking of free agents (mentioned by WilleD), it wasn’t long ago that when SF was mentioned, the line was that no one (free agents) wanted to come here and play. They lured Pagan last year, and he came back this year (and who knows…maybe for a bit less money). Scutaro initially was put-off by the trade here, but in short order changed his tune and said he wanted to finish his career here. Pence was here hardly any time at all and shared his desire for a long-term deal here.

    I think players are beginning to see that SF is not that bad a place to play.

    • snarkk said, on December 6, 2012 at 9:29 am

      Power hitters don’t want to be here, especially lefties. They know about Death Valley. But, if I’m a doubles and triples guy like Pagan, you should love ATT. And, that’s what kind of OFer the Giants should continually look for in the draft and FAs. Power guys would just get frustrated here…

  8. unca_chuck said, on December 6, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Grilli? Didn’t we draft him last century?

    • unca_chuck said, on December 6, 2012 at 8:57 am

      Or is my mnd playing tricks on me?

    • chipower9 said, on December 6, 2012 at 9:18 am

      Yep…we drafted him. He’s 36, so not sure about a 3 year deal. Sounds like if he doesn’t get 3 elsewhere, he’ll stay in Pittsburgh…

  9. unca_chuck said, on December 6, 2012 at 9:08 am

    And, yeah, Sabes and Bochy stick around. You can’t get it much better than they have it now. A jam-packed park full of adoring fans, a team full of home-grown talent that they’ve nurturend into champions, $12.00 beers, and they get to live here.

  10. Bozo said, on December 6, 2012 at 9:40 am

    From watching the Showtime series and just the last couple of years in general, it’s pretty obvious that Boch and Sabes have not only struck gold as partners and work together like a team, it seems a strong friendship has also developed between the two. If Sabes decided to go to a different team maybe Bochy would follow but right now they sure are looking like they are pretty comfortable working out of SF.

    On the Winter meetings – It won’t happen but if the players that are represented by Scott Boras aren’t signed before the start of ST, I would be laughing my ass off.

    I’m wondering how the Mariners/Jason Bay thing works out. I was thinking the Giants might gamble on Bay so I’m somewhat curious on how this year plays out for the guy.

    • Bozo said, on December 6, 2012 at 9:48 am

      Also on the Winter meetings, I found the Justin Upton Bingo game to be kind of interesting “I’ve had more multi-team talks this year than ever before. In every discussion it seems three or four teams are involved,” D-backs GM Kevin Towers said.

    • chipower9 said, on December 6, 2012 at 10:27 am

      Yep…I had mentioned earlier that Bochy and Sabes have connected non only on a professional, but also a personal level. I have heard that they and their spouses get together regularlly to socialize and knock back some wine, etc.

  11. Salty said, on December 6, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Dangling Upton is a bi-annual thing now.

    Speaking of players preferences, gotta feel for Cleveland. Seems they have been in pursuit of everyone and can’t sign any of them. We’ll see if they can get Swisher.

  12. chipower9 said, on December 6, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Not sure if this was shared, or not, but here is the breakdown of Scoot’s deal as tweeted by John Shea:

    http://tinyurl.com/bz7thay

    • snarkk said, on December 6, 2012 at 12:03 pm

      I think the money is too much and 1 year too long, but the market for proven players is crazy, so Sabean is to be congratulated. Scutaro may be a shell by the third year or hurt or whatever, but that’s the way of the world. Good news is he’s in good shape, is a “glue” guy in the clubhouse, particularly with the Latin players, and I really like what he brings to the table in terms of professionalism and AB approach as tutor for the younger players. I hope Panik and Brown especially take something from him in Scottsdale next spring, and if/when they come up while he’s still around with the big club. I hope he can help Blanco, too, he needs much improvement with his approach in 2-strike counts…

      • chipower9 said, on December 6, 2012 at 1:21 pm

        He had the highest “rate of contact” in the majors last year. I would have preferred two years, but I think 6 a year is okay. But the market (supply-demand) handcuffed the Giants on both Pagan and Scoots. Bottom-line, I am glad they got the deals done. They were the best “non-trade” options out there, IMO.

  13. unca_chuck said, on December 6, 2012 at 11:59 am

    No Rule 5 pickups, and we lost Aussie pitcher Cameron Lamb to Houston.

    • unca_chuck said, on December 6, 2012 at 11:59 am

      We hardly knew ye, Cam Lamb . . .

    • Alleykat said, on December 6, 2012 at 1:28 pm

      Damm you would think the Astros would of throwin in some Fosters.atleast to the Giants Chuck.

  14. eddacker said, on December 6, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    It is early on Thursday, no R5 drafts for the Giants?
    That is a surprise. The Gmen are usually players at some level

  15. eddacker said, on December 6, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    As a GM Sabes can go anywhere he wants. Bruce is limited to the teams he wants to upset. There is a whole crew that moves with a GM and even more so with an on filed manager. So some team somewhere sees the value of changing managers. What do they offer to make an incumbent manager move? 2x salary? It cannot be that simple.

    • chipower9 said, on December 6, 2012 at 1:28 pm

      Sure he can go most anywhere he wants, but with his current gig, and having a manager like Bochy who he not only connects with professionally, but also personally, there is no motivation to go anywhere. RE: their staff…look how long Rags and Wotus have been on board. And you also have Sabean’s RH men, Bobby Evans has been with SF for 19 years, and Tidrow for 14 years.

      SF with the stability in ownership (and the money), great ballpark, wonderful city, and rabid fanbase…really, I just don’t see there being much movement.

  16. eddacker said, on December 6, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    I am totally convinced Sabes choreographed the recent signings. To put fear in the hearts of other teams. Only an older wiser GM could do that. He has to love his home here; no other offers, chi.

    • chipower9 said, on December 6, 2012 at 1:31 pm

      No other offers?

  17. unca_chuck said, on December 6, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Actually the Giants did get RHP Scott Shuman from the Rays . . .

  18. unca_chuck said, on December 6, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    In 96 innings he’s got 147 Ks and walked 49.

    Here’s his profile:

  19. blade3colorado said, on December 6, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Snarkk’s 12:03 post regarding Gary Brown . . . No concerns regarding Brown’s motivation to improve. The scouting report says this about him:

    “Makeup: There have been no concerns throughout his amateur or pro careers. He comes in every day and gets his work done, frequently earning the moniker of a “baseball rat” from scouts. He plays the game hard and leaves it all on the field.”

    The rest of his Baseball Prospect Report (somewhat dated – Feb 15, 2012) is located here:

    http://baseballprospectnation.com/2012/02/15/scouting-report-gary-brown-of/

    • chipower9 said, on December 6, 2012 at 2:29 pm

      Nice summation. Thanks for sharing, Steve. Bottom line, I don’t see him making the club out of ST this year. He may get the call-up. And really no guarantee he is ready in 2014, either. That all said, I was down with signing Pagan…even though it was a longer contract than wanted.

      • blade3colorado said, on December 6, 2012 at 2:48 pm

        Yeah, me too Chi insofar as him not likely to even get a “sniff” at majors this year and no guarantees for 2014. Same deal with Panik.

      • chipower9 said, on December 6, 2012 at 3:16 pm

        Yep. And given what was available in the FA market…Pagan and Scoots were the best option. Given the landscape…I give Sabes an A for reeling them in.

      • blade3colorado said, on December 6, 2012 at 3:25 pm

        Ditto. Sabean has done an unbelievable job, signing Affeldt, Pagan, and Scutaro. However, I don’t think he is done. We got a pass in the 2nd half last year not having Melky, due to everyone stepping up their performance, especially Scutaro. Consequently, I don’t think we get that same “pass” next year . . . In short, we have to find a replacement for Melky’s bat.

      • Salty said, on December 6, 2012 at 4:08 pm

        I don’t think they see it that way Blade. Think the budget is stretched after adding a Nady type and a reliever. They added Pence and Scutaro…that’s about 33m right there to replace Melk. And they expect Belt will be improved. If anything, they wait until the deadline and see where things are.

      • blade3colorado said, on December 6, 2012 at 4:20 pm

        Salty, you made a good point regarding Belt and on second thought, yes – perhaps Sabes thinks that Belt is ready to step up and more than compensate for the loss of Melky’s bat.

      • salty said, on December 6, 2012 at 5:05 pm

        Be more accurate to say 19m …

  20. Alleykat said, on December 6, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Cameron Lamb????
    Did he a cameo role in Silence of the Lamb?

    • chipower9 said, on December 6, 2012 at 2:30 pm

      I think he did a B grade porno flick with Cameron Diaz some years ago…

      • unca_chuck said, on December 6, 2012 at 2:53 pm

        Cam Lamb was busted in the Abscam flim-flam.

  21. Irish Kevin said, on December 6, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    I don’t think Bochy goes anywhere, I think he might think about retirement by 2014. I don’t think he goes to another team unless they have playoff potential. regardless of the money. As far as the rest, gave Scoots way to much time. A 37 year old is going to be able to play at the high level he played at for 162 games, and if you are thinking a day of here and there, not happening. They picked him up in July!! 61 games in 2012. they are going to give him 100 days off?? really? And even if they only give him an occassional day off, who replace him, Arias? he is not the futur. So the Giants should have someone who is ready and play behind him

    • zumiee said, on December 6, 2012 at 5:01 pm

      The games he played in before he got traded count, too. He played in 156 games last year.

      • zumiee said, on December 6, 2012 at 5:03 pm

        And by all accounts, he’s a “young” 37, as far as physical shape that he’s in.

      • zumiee said, on December 6, 2012 at 5:04 pm

        Plus, let’s worry about 2014 later. When you have a chance to repeat, GO FOR IT. (grin)

  22. stixwiz said, on December 6, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Funny how those dominos can fall. Phillies were in hot pursuit of Pagan Baby, but he went home to Willie Mays Field, reportedly for less of a payoff than would have been his in the city of “Brotherly Love” (think their fans).

    So Philadelphia pops a young, controllable, speedster (40 SB’s) outta the Twins (Ben Revere) for their #4 or five starter, Vance Worley and another pitcher, a prospect named Trevor May. The latter is rated or was, as the top prospect in the Philthies bag of trix, a kid who had a high AA ERA blended with a perhaps even higher strikeout/inning rate along with a comparatively minor BB/IP percentage.

    At least one baseball analyst pretty much called it a “kiss your sister” move as now they must replace a member of their rotation. As for the Twins, they were down to arguably the most disreputable rotation in MLB until recent moves including their veteran CFer Denard Span to the Rays for a pretty fair AA pitcher name of Meyer. Obviously Minnesota does not feel they will be anywhere near competitive in the upcoming season, so essentially they are rebuilding a rotation from scratch, with only one or two tenable holdovers.

    Twins may not be done casting around for a pitching pickup. They may still be ready to move outfielders for the resurrection project. At something like $7M/ year Josh Willingham is not particularly highly paid for what he brings to the plate. So-so at best as a fielder. SF has 6 presumably viable starter prospects between high A and AAA as of next season. Would some combination such as Kickham, Runzler and Kieschnick appeal to Terry Ryan? With El Tiburon Blanco around, Willingham could be easily spelled in later innings.

  23. zumiee said, on December 6, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    What was up with David Wright wearing a Mets jersey over his dress shirt and tie, and a Mets cap at the press conference announcing his re-signing with the Mets? Why would you do that at a re-signing? It seemed odd and kind of cheesy. I guess they were trying to make a big photo-op moment, but it was bush-league.

    • Flavor said, on December 6, 2012 at 7:54 pm

      totally agree. It’s like he just got drafted #1 outta college or something.

  24. eddacker said, on December 7, 2012 at 5:37 am

    have you seen the cricket game England v India? India has rarely done anything but win. England’s batters are doing all they can to change that.

  25. eddacker said, on December 7, 2012 at 5:39 am

    What is the difference between a cricket ‘bowler’ and a MLB pitcher?
    In cricket you are NOT allowed to bend your elbow.

  26. eddacker said, on December 7, 2012 at 5:48 am

    Plus there a a lot of other rules being games last 5 days with scores like 565 v 400. Fascinating sport, no one wears gloves yet the ball is bigger and harder than a MLB ball. Just check out the shape of a cricket bat. How do you hit anything with that thing.


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