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Tech Problems…..Fixed!

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on April 17, 2013

Hello Flappers!

WordPress seems to be having some problems this morning and I can’t upload any photos. That was a change up I wasn’t expecting–unlike the one that Betancourt was sitting on last night. Anyway, this will probably only be an issue for my BBOTD disciples.

Awesome things from last night:

Brandon Belt’s 3 hits (that could have been 5 hits)

Pablo’s 4 RBI’s

Chad Gaudin

Crawford’s big fly. As I said last night, when I watch his home runs sail majestically out of the park I don’t understand how he doesn’t hit 25 of those every year…….

Below is a list from mlbtraderumors.com that I was planning on posting this morning but had some tech problems. Listed are each team’s highest paid players. Quite the incongruent relationship between salary and production, at least for many of them…..


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  1. Bozo said, on April 17, 2013 at 6:48 am

    I know he’s only had 46 ABs, but I’m tipping my hat to Craw. As of today, he’s hitting over .300 and he has more HRs and RBIs than Posey. Cheers Brandon!

  2. gianthead said, on April 17, 2013 at 7:23 am

    Serenity now, serenity now…

    I believe the game was still 3-3 when Lucroy was up and first base open and one out. Bochy never intentionally walks someone in that situation and I always ythink it is a mistake not to. If the next guy gets the ball on the ground and Lucroy running, you have a great chance at a DP. Even if the runner beats it out, only one run scores and you get the second out.

    The way he was hanging things, he very well may not got that ground ball, but I would have probably given him just that batter after lucroy and then yanked him…

    Of course that bullshit strike 2 call on Pence that should have been a bases-loaded walk was a rally-killer….

    • twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 7:34 am

      I think they couldn’t reach you when Bochy was hired so he got the gig.

      • gianthead said, on April 17, 2013 at 8:46 am

        I knew it!!! Damn it!!!

      • twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 11:05 am

        I feel your pain, my wife forgot to give me the message that I got the Ball Dude job, so this nimrod got the call.

  3. willedav said, on April 17, 2013 at 7:38 am

    Posey’s K in the 6th with 2 on after Pablo’s SF was a big out for brewer’s pitching staff to get.
    Giants lucky to have an off day btw Lincecum and Zito starts so the pen can regroup.
    Oh, and the BB has gotta go…at least current one.

  4. chipower9 said, on April 17, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Well, some say that all good things must come to an end. While I did not predict a Zito victory yesterday, I did say at a minimum, it would be a ND Giant win. Almost, coulda, woulda, shoulda. The Miller Park curse continues for the Prince of Darkness.

    On yesterday’s thread James (I believe) made a comment about the Giants pitching being overrated. I agree in regards to the starters, but the bullpen continues to be pretty damned good (a couple of guys have had a rough outing, but overall they have been tough). And I think it just a matter of time before the starters come around. Not counting out this staff.

    • Flavor said, on April 17, 2013 at 9:06 am

      I don’t think they’re overrated at all, at least when you compare their 5 to any other starting 5. Pick another team who you would switch starting 5’s with. (and I’m not talking about comparing bloated April ERA’s, just who would you want to trade staff’s with if all five perform as you expect them to this year).
      Atlanta, St Louis and Oakland come to mind. But even after those 3 staff’s I can’t see wanting to trade with anyone else. Maybe not even with the three I listed.

      • Flavor said, on April 17, 2013 at 9:08 am

        actually I’d probably throw Detroit in there, too

      • chipower9 said, on April 17, 2013 at 10:20 am

        Yeah, and I was more focusing on the April results (and I agree with you, I don’t think that is a real reflection of our staff). Our guys will come around. And Michael, I agree with you re: our yard. Playing half of your games in our park would benefit a number of teams with quality staffs.

        Bottom line, I think everything will even out, and our boys will make a solid run again this year.

    • twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 9:31 am

      Well, our staff as whole benefits from pitching at ATT 81 games a year- they were very pedestrian away from home last year (11th in the NL), just as the offense was THE BEST IN THE NL away from home last year and 12th at home.
      I don’t get into this overrated stuff, but it’s clear, and should be pretty obvious that ATT is, wait for it…A PITCHER’S PARK.

  5. twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 9:06 am

    It was good to hear that Barry seems to think he threw well..
    It was said that Braun made a great play on Belt’s drive. I agree -it was the best catch by an apparently inebriated athlete since Max McGee in the fitst “Super Bowl”..
    We all saw it coming- our best player and pitcher thus far- Crawdad and Go-Din..
    Four words (?): Yuniesky Fucking Betancourt Perez !!!!!!!!!!!

  6. Flavor said, on April 17, 2013 at 11:30 am

    You know, between Verlander, Scherzer, Fister and Anibel Sanchez, you’re talking about a rock solid 4-some. And I know some would question my inclusion of Anibel in that praise but I think he’s very good and will have a very nice year now that’s he’s on a team that will give him a little run support.
    How did we sweep those guys?

    • twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 12:00 pm

      Those things do not always have a rational reason.You know that.

    • snarkk said, on April 17, 2013 at 12:02 pm

      A theory I have is that the Giants playing in the cold all the time helped. They’re used to it. Detroit may play some April games in the cold, that’s about it…

  7. James said, on April 17, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Overrated only in that it’s become an outdated talking point that the Giants success last year was built around pitching, when the numbers plainly show that is not the case. Overrated also does not mean crappy..

  8. dirtnrocksnomo said, on April 17, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Torture is cool and all but I like seeing some offense. Honestly, even in 2010 who would have thought the club could claw back after the bottom of the 3rd yesterday? The Giants’ pitching may not be as dominant as it was but they have a more balance club which is good. Sure the lineup isn’t Murders Row reincarnated but it is solid top to bottom.

    • Flavor said, on April 17, 2013 at 11:50 am

      I totally agree

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on April 17, 2013 at 12:12 pm

        It is still early but on opening day I thought Sabean would make a move for a LF this summer but now I think it will be a SP. Honestly though I am not even worried about the SP at this point. This staff tends to feed off each other and get on a roll. I’m not going to judge until late May or early June.

    • twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 12:14 pm

      There’s something to be said for not having a lot of large decifits to claw back from.Our starters aren’t as bad their ERAs, Cain’s and Zito’s are poor just because of a couple horrendo innings… but it’s still a concern. IMO.

    • snarkk said, on April 17, 2013 at 12:14 pm

      I’ve been yacking more balance for a long time, because it’s a healthier way to run a team, and in the long run, more repeatable in terms of player development. Great pitching is what everybody wants, but the 2010 dominant pitching was an outlier and was eventually going to lose its window, we know that. You need more hitting and scoring, which looks like what is happening this season for the Giants, and happened in the stretch in 2012. I like the example of the Cards, they always seem to find good pitching and good hitting, that team seems to rarely not be in the playoff hunt. And that’s all that you want, to always at least be in the hunt. I don’t remember a recent Cards 4 year or similar slide to dogmeatdom like the Giants did in the 2005-2008 “dark” period — they tend to field balanced offense and defense, which avoids huge pendulum swings in team performance or more than one or two down years before rolling again. They draft well, and don’t go nuts on free agents. They cut Pujols lose and didn’t miss a beat. That’s why they have the second most WS wins among all teams…

      • zumiee said, on April 17, 2013 at 12:39 pm

        Your points are well taken, but I think winning 3 World Series during WWII inflates their total of 11 a bit. Plus being in a weak NL Central during the 2000s. The division is a bit better now than it used to be.

      • twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 12:49 pm

        All it takes is 2 or 3 down games for the moaning and groaning about the offense to begin. That won’t change this year. Everybody wants more offense, great defense, great pitching. If we got everything we’d win 120 games. There really hasn’t been a whole heck of a lot to bitch about ,for reasonable people, since 2008 .

      • snarkk said, on April 17, 2013 at 1:04 pm

        There was a lot to bitch about before 2009, but we still supported the squad through thick and mostly thin decades, not years…

  9. eddacker said, on April 17, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    I have nothing BaseBall related. But tomorrow I have 2 games to watch (BST) first game at 1:30am then the series finale at 9:30pm.

    wordpress got hacked(attacked) yesterday. A malicious program that went looking for accounts that had ‘admin’ as the username.Which maybe why things were off today. The Flap is safe as Craig uses the default “administrator” username which was not targeted.

    As it stands now hackers are not the biggest threat. Look at what the cyprus government (all legal) is doing. #fucking_UN_believable
    Cyprus is also selling off its gold reserves which brought the shiny stuff dug up by miners to its lowest futures price in quite a few years. Being most of us hold gold for security let us pray Italy, Spain, et.al. don’t start selling.

  10. Flavor said, on April 17, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Twin, I meant to tell you, really enjoyed your Summerall story from the other thread. You re-telling those “dad” stories and your usual involvement in them is some of your very best material…

    • twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 1:01 pm

      Thanks. You like that better than my Zito evaluations ? ๐Ÿ˜‰

  11. twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Some of the announcer stories just seem to stumble upon me. Total coincidence- Ted Robinson was a protege of my Dad’s so I came to know him a bit when he was with the Giants. His wife Mary arranged for a company Christmas party at my Napa restaurant. Their head waitress for the party was Janine ( I forget her maiden name), then the fiance of Jon Miller…( I’ve told you about Janine-she had been Jon’s baby sitter when he was a boy) . After both of their first marriages failed, somehow they reconnected. They’re still married as far I know..

  12. blade3colorado said, on April 17, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    I didn’t comment on that story either (likely because I usually catch these stories when you guys are sound asleep and I feel like I am muttering to myself. Paul and Ed know the feeling I would imagine. ๐Ÿ™‚ ).

    Anywho, I was remiss in not saying anything about that story. I had no idea you worked in the booth with your dad and Summerall. That story blew me away. Correct me if I am wrong, but you are a carbon copy of your dad, right? In effect, both walking talking sports encyclopedias. I can imagine that this might have caused friction, no? Regardless, I love the fact that you stood up to both Summerall and your dad . . . And was proved right.

  13. twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    “Correct me if I am wrong, but you are a carbon copy of your dad, right? In effect, both walking talking sports encyclopedias. I can imagine that this might have caused friction, no?”
    My Dad was totally different off the air.Whereas he was known for his brevity and impartial announcing on the air, he was an extremely opinionated man off the air-he was constantly at war with the brass.
    And while most of his stands were admirable ( he was assigned to do an NFC title game between Green Bay and Dallas, and Jack Buck, long time voice of the Cowboys, was not among the announcing team, He refused to do the game unless Buck was also got the assignment. On the other hand, he made many anti-semitic remarks about the management at CBS, sometimes even in the booth with a Jewish director or producer present. On one such occasion, I was compelled to silently apologize. And like many, Dad would deny that he was an anti-semite.
    We did argue big time, but more about social issues than sports- his sister was a pioneer in the woman’s movement, and I was more sympatico with her. One thing we seem to share- we’re harder to kill than Freddy Krueger..and yes, like Pop, I’m sometimes not as tolerant of differing viewpoints as I should be.
    But he worked until he couldn’t stand and he’d do it for free . His first paying job was at a radio station in Johnstown, at 55 bucks a week. His last paying job was doing high school football as a favor for a friend, a car dealer in Billings, Montana. For 55 bucks a week….

  14. snarkk said, on April 17, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    I liked Summerall because he never “overtalked”. He was sparse, to the point, and let the action visuals speak. He let the color guy do his thing. Summerall and Madden in their prime will likely never be topped. Those guys broadcasting a Niners game in the Montana era was gold. Seems some of these play by play guys forget that they’re on TV, not radio…

    • twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 3:21 pm

      As several of the pieces on his passing have said, this one from the NYDaily News noted:

      “His style was not spontaneous or original. Summerall admitted proudly that he was a disciple of the great Ray Scott, who spent much of his time at CBS calling games of Vince Lombardiโ€™s legendary Green Bay Packers”.

    • twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 3:36 pm

      A funny but very non-PC take off on my Dad’s style, had him announcing the Kennedy assassination:
      “”Kennedy. Bullet. Dead.”
      (Ray Scott in Dealey Plaza.)

  15. zumiee said, on April 17, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    I want to mention that I’m actually not as dismissive of the Cards winning 3 World Series during the period of WWII in a much-depleted MLB as I used to be. The Cards were a very popular team with a huge national following in those days, given that there were no teams in the west and south in those days. So, it was no doubt an extra morale boost for some U.S. soldiers during WWII who were Cardinal fans. Heck, just the fact that the World Series was still going on was a morale boost to U.S. soldiers. FDR asked MLB to keep the seasons going for that purpose.

  16. zumiee said, on April 17, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Anyone see the film “42” yet? I’m going to try to see it this weekend.

    • snarkk said, on April 17, 2013 at 3:48 pm

      I’d like to take the Snarkettes to it, as I’ve read its fairly honest in dealing with the racist attacks Jackie had to endure. They’re only marginally aware of that part of recent US history, that would bring it home to them…

  17. zumiee said, on April 17, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    I know it’s a totally unscientific comparison (small sample size, etc.), but two teams last night…..the Giants fell behind by a lot in their game, and clawed their way back into the game, and had chances to win the thing; the Dodgers fell behind by a lot in their game and basically rolled over and died.

    • snarkk said, on April 17, 2013 at 3:36 pm

      Yep, the comeback thing for the Gyros so far is a strong sign of a good team. Mental strength showing that the core of the team has been through tons of clutch and negative situations, and they persevere through them. If the pitching strengthens over time, and I think it should, it all bodes well for a good season…

      • James said, on April 17, 2013 at 3:45 pm

        The Dodgers so far are again getting great pitching, and not so much offense. I suspect their pitching will be better than ours, just like last year, even without Greinke.

  18. James said, on April 17, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    Not a criticism of Zumie, but I predict that “small sample size” will win some sort of overused phrase prize this year, as a counterpart to “big data.”

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on April 17, 2013 at 5:35 pm

      I like studies of phrase trends. Did not know of “big data” trending. I believe Merriam-Webster puts stuff like that on its site.

  19. snarkk said, on April 17, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    If your team wins a ton of 9-7 and similar ballgames, as opposed to 2-0 or 3-1 ballgames, is it still “torture”?…

    • Flavor said, on April 17, 2013 at 4:14 pm

      I like that we have been predominately a pitching rich team. It’s a smart approach to building a baseball team. Most GM’s go the brain dead route and just sign a bunch of mashers. They don’t really give a shit since that’s what sells tickets.
      But I like the 9-7 games sprinkled in. The last few years, if we went down 4-0, it was likely over. This year? Strap it on, the ride has just begun

      • twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 4:25 pm

        As a side note: almost all of all our top rated pitching prospects are kicking ass. Yeah, yeah, I know that it’s a long way from kicking ass in San Jose or Augusta to the bigs, but we’ve NEVER had the volume as we do now. The future of the staff looks very bright- 2014 may need reinforcements from outside the organization but by 2015 that “window” should be wide open..

      • PawlieKokonuts said, on April 17, 2013 at 5:17 pm

        Flavor likes strap-ons. [in my Nipper voice]

      • Flavor said, on April 17, 2013 at 5:42 pm

        You gotta also be driving the van to pull that off ๐Ÿ™‚

  20. twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Ok, Some good reads,all by Curt Smith, the preeminent chronicler of Sports broadcasting, all at available at Amazon:

    “Voices of the Game: The Acclaimed Chronicle of Baseball Radio and Television Broadcasting — from 1921 to the Present ”

    “Of Mikes and Men: From Ray Scott to Curt Gowdy: Tales from the Pro Football Booth ”

    “A Talk in the Park: Nine Decades of Baseball Tales from the Broadcast Booth”

  21. Flavor said, on April 17, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    This is just me, but I am 100% against K:K wearing their freaking WS rings during a tv broadcast. I don’t begrudge them getting them but they should go in a safe deposit box. They look ridiculous wearing rings they had nothing to do with acquiring. They look like 2 grey haired teens who stole their dad’s rings…..

  22. Flavor said, on April 17, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Maybe the angle is fucked up but I slowed Pagan’s ball down frame by frame and it clearly disappears behind the pole. Anyone else see this?

  23. PawlieKokonuts said, on April 17, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    Twin’s 2:06pm is admirable and courageous. By that I mean, what son did not have some sort of conflict with his father, whether one wants to go all Freudian, Jungian, or what-have-you. But that 2:06 post has unsparing honesty blended with filial devotion. That’s an alchemy hard to conjure up. Bravo.

  24. snarkk said, on April 17, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    I think I had Crawford predicted for around .260 for the season, which I thought was optimistic, but possibly doable. So far, its looking like I might have way undershot. Hope so…

  25. snarkk said, on April 17, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Predictably, the US Senate voted today and passed no new gun control legislation, not even the watered down POS amendment for increasing background checks on non-dealer gun sales that was touted so much as a great “bi-partisan”, huge heavy lifting effort. What’s dumb is that this particular law did pass by a 54-46 margin, but due to the Senate rules by which this who thing is being debated, it “lost”. Essentially it now takes 60 votes in the US Senate to pass a law, not 51. This is not in the Constitution, and is nothing but a senate rule that could be changed. McConnell even refused to personally meet with the Newtown families. Refused. POS coward. He sent his flunkies to meet them. Sorry, I digress, but I’m in a PO’d mood right now, but not surprised…

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on April 17, 2013 at 6:02 pm

      McConnell is s spineless weasel. I’m not a big fan of Reid either but when you read about his personal history it is pretty inspiring stuff. He never should have compromised on filibuster reform earlier this year.

    • twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 6:04 pm

      I’ve been so ready for how that vote would turn out, I’m not even pissed today. Others have said it, but most recently I heard Biden say that if there’s no principal you’re wiiling to lose your seat for, you don’t belong in politics. The original proposed bill including the assault weapons ban and magazine size limit would all pass if those chicken shit hacks weren’t afraid of losing their primaries.
      Flake from AZ was on MSNBC saying that he didn’t like the background check proposal because it would include internet sales for the background check . His asinine and fabricated objection was that it would hurt sales beteen friends and family (!!!). Internet sales are among the easiest ways that the bad guys sell and obtain weapons. If we required EVERY other way obtaining a weapon subject to a background heck, we’d barely put a dent in sales to criminals and the mentally ill- the internet sales would simply take over the market.
      What’s needed now is a huge push for the midterms to turn anti-gun control votes against those who feel safe in toeing the NRA line.

  26. unca_chuck said, on April 17, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    I always liked Tom Brooksheier with Summerall but maybe that was just because I grew up listening to those 2 before Madden joined Pat in the booth. Twin, I must have missed your dad by a couple years.

    • Macdog said, on April 17, 2013 at 5:45 pm

      I fondly remember a weekly show they did together in the early 70s, presenting the highlights accompanied by that epic NFL music while sitting by a football-shaped coffee table. Those two apparently were big-time drinking buddies as well.

    • twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 6:21 pm

      I liked “Brookie”, too. Irreverent and sassy, Alex Hawkins with a high school GED… He had the unenviable assignment of being the guy to interview Duane Thomas after Duane decided to end his boycott of the media.Tomas was MVP of the ’72 Super Bowl. Tom was nervous and perspiring as I recall and pulled a rookie announcer faux pas- he launched into a seemingly endless question. Thomas stared at him and uttered the now famous response: “Evidently”… and that ended the interview…

  27. unca_chuck said, on April 17, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    Yeah, this is the state of politics in the US now. Congress could get down below the 5% approval rating.

    Fuck. Snakebit so far this game. A single that should have been, and a rocket that is caught.

  28. Macdog said, on April 17, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    Hey, I thought this guy was the worst player in MLB.

  29. zumiee said, on April 17, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    BF, I like seeing K&K wear the rings. I think the vast majority of Giants fans do. Admittedly, there’s a “pimp my ride” aspect to championship rings, and K&K didn’t contribute on the field, but it plainly means a lot to them to have been given the rings. The fans like the generosity of the gesture by the Giants.
    Reading the Yogi book has me thinking more lately in terms of a team as a historic organization, and as Snarkk said it so well today about the Cardinals, it’s about staying in the upper tier. The Giants are in that upper echelon now with those organizations. And seeing K&K with the rings on a daily basis is a nice exclamation point on that.

    • Flavor said, on April 17, 2013 at 7:13 pm

      I see that side too. I just feel differently about the look.

  30. Macdog said, on April 17, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Calling Bozo.

    • Bozo said, on April 17, 2013 at 6:55 pm

      I hear you knocking Mac. Tied game, we can get these guys.

  31. Bozo said, on April 17, 2013 at 6:54 pm


  32. twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    I’ve got nuthin’ against 12 hop grounders…

  33. unca_chuck said, on April 17, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    Got to get Lohsdhsdhe in the stretch.

  34. eddacker said, on April 17, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    ouch, Casilla and Crawford robbed by the home ump. and our best glove man with a wild throw!!

    shite, I tell you, shite.

  35. Bozo said, on April 17, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    Well that was a Lalli Gag.

  36. twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Going with Casilla against the lefty was correct, IMO. Lopez would have pitched to the RH, and RHers destroy him.

  37. twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    Thanks for the generous comments today. I appreciate it. A funny thing I missed when my Dad died were his calls on my birthday. He was an early riser anyway, and he always forgot the time difference. My birthday always began with a 4 A.M. call from Dad..
    Night all…

  38. unca_chuck said, on April 17, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    Blehhhh. Fuck Milwaukee. Is it me or do we suck there?

  39. unca_chuck said, on April 17, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    Twin, I do envy that relationship . . . good night.

  40. twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    I apologize for not remembering what you’ve said about your relationship with your Dad. From your comment it sounds like it wasn’t ideal.I hope it’s something you have been able to resolve. Or if he’s passed, whatever forgiveness was needed was granted. Night again..

  41. tedspe said, on April 17, 2013 at 9:40 pm


    • zumiee said, on April 18, 2013 at 12:09 am

      The Dodgers lost, too. Does that help any? (grin)

    • Nipper said, on April 18, 2013 at 6:14 am

      Finally you admitted it. After all these years.

  42. twinfan1 said, on April 17, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Oh my goodness- explosion at a fertilizer plant in Texas- hundreds injured, many deaths.

  43. Nipper said, on April 18, 2013 at 6:14 am

    Day game.

  44. chipower9 said, on April 18, 2013 at 10:54 am

    WTF, got out of a meeting a couple of minutes ago…hit the scoreboard…2-0. And in the few seconds it took to bring up the radio feed online…it’s 5 to fucking nothing. This too shall pass…I stand by all my earlier comments. Time to turn this fucker around and win the get-away game!

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