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Puking During Puig At Bats

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 25, 2013

“This guy Puig is gonna be a problem….” –San Dawg

I forget when he said that, probably during Puig’s first game up. It was a simple line, yet foreboding, and it gave us fair warning of what was to come….

*This guy Puig* is grinding on my patience. It’s not just the constant media jack off session that bothers me although that’s part of it. I thought it was complete BS that he was throwing sucker haymakers in the brawl with AZ and managed to get exactly zero days of suspension. Calls for him to be named to the all star game, after 60 at bats, was definitely irksome. And while I’m not doubting his talent for a moment, I was looking forward to Bumgarner knocking him down a few *puigs* in the game last night. So it was quite easy for me to go quickly and loudly into a full blown “FUCK THIS GUY!!!!!!” after Bum inexplicably threw him a meatball away that he blasted into the right field seats in his first at bat.

Here’s what Scully said after the home run:

“Puig has done it again. If you want to pitch him away he’ll go away…he got the pitch right out over the plate, I mean that was a pitch begging to be hit..”

Even a casual observer like myself knows that you don’t throw strikes to him on the outer side of the plate. Greg Louganis dove with less intent and purpose in the ’88 Olympics. Puig is doing a freaking forward flying one and a half somersault to cover the outside part of the plate. Bumgarner couldn’t have walked up and placed the ball any better into his wheelhouse…

Here’s Puke’s hit chart at Dodger Stadium this year (blue: hits  red: outs):

puigspraychart

The hit chart speaks for itself. I haven’t seen all of his at bats, obviously, but some of the pitches that opposing pitchers are throwing this guy are almost too bad to be believed. After Paul Maholm gave up a bomb to him earlier this month he said this: “On the home run, honestly I missed by about 3 feet.”

So the pitchers are either making mistakes or just not thinking about how to pitch him. He’s walked 3 times so far in 77 at bats. “Hmmmmmm, jeez, we just can’t figure out how to get this guy out. I guess we’ll just keep throwing him our brain dead lemming pitches right into the strike zone and see what happens……”

I had hoped that a bad ass like Bumgarner would bust his ass inside, maybe knock him off  his diving board a couple of times. Didn’t happen. And I have little faith that a kid like Kickham, who’s probably gonna be shaking in his cleats, will do anything different than his predecessors…..

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  1. Bozo said, on June 25, 2013 at 7:20 am

    Puig is just the latest greatest. Like Harper, Trout or Jason Heyward before them, I’ll wait awhile before putting a crown on any of their heads.
    Now over on fangraphs they posed the question “Who was better, Barry Bonds or Babe Ruth?” Now we’re talking great. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/players-view-who-was-better-bonds-or-ruth/

    To me, this one answer from the Stros 3B coach summed it up the best.
    Dave Trembley, Houston Astros third base coach: “Ruth was a very good pitcher, and that has to be considered. He also played in the dead ball era, and changed baseball. But I would say Bonds was a better all-around player, because he had both speed and power. He had to hit in the age of specialization, with relievers, match-ups, shifts… there are a lot variables. Travel, night games. Back in Ruth’s era, starting pitchers went longer and you saw them more often. It would be interesting to see how they’d have done in each other’s era. I think Bonds would do better in Ruth’s era than Ruth would do in Bonds’. Of course, they wouldn’t have let Bonds play in Ruth’s era.”

    • chipower9 said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:59 am

      Excellent post. I particilary like the last sentence. So many great players (Satchel Paige, Josh Gibson, etc.) were not allowed to play MLB.

      There is no definitive answer here, but I always have gone with (and am staying with) The Say Hey Kid as the best all-around player, ever.

      • Bozo said, on June 25, 2013 at 11:46 am

        The last line is what got me chi, and I agree, Mays was the best I ever saw. And, I also agree that their were many great players that we can’t even see much of on film. Wouldn’t you think, someone, somewhere would have some film of Cool Papa Bell laying down a bunt double?

  2. SanDawg said, on June 25, 2013 at 7:21 am

    I believe I made the comment in the midst of his second game. He threw out a guy from the warning track to end his first game and then hit 2 bombs in his second game. I was half watching the Pad game while listening to the Gs. It was kind of like that scene in Rocky where the trainer sees the campy news story showing Rocky using a frozen side of beef as a punching bag and starts getting an uneasy feeling about what is coming around the corner.
    Was the pitch he hit out last night definitely in the strike zone? Miller said it was clearly a ball and he took it out anyway.

    • Flavor said, on June 25, 2013 at 7:31 am

      It might have been a couple inches off the plate but it wasn’t high or low it was “right there”. Check out the highlights at MLB.com

    • SanDawg said, on June 25, 2013 at 7:34 am

      …not that it was some great prediction on my part that the guy was gonna go off–everyone knew he had all kinds of tools.
      I’m much more proud of my “JoPa is going to get fired” prediction that many scoffed at initially than my “Puig is gonna be a problem” statement.

      • blade3colorado said, on June 25, 2013 at 7:43 am

        I was proud of my Subway Sandwich prediction that the foot long sandwich would be a success, especially with white women.

      • Flavor said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:07 am

        Lol

      • chipower9 said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:01 am

        LMAO…just the words “foot long” usually gets a woman’s attention…that was classic, Steve.

  3. willedav said, on June 25, 2013 at 7:46 am

    I admit to having a soft spot for Cuba–they have put out some cool baseball players and have a long history of great music going back to the 50s and continuing to present that I enjoy quite a lot.
    But I’m with Bozo on the kid. Here’s some last year numbers from Yoenis Cespedes: .292 BA .356 OB .505 slug ,861 OPS 138 OPS +.
    and here’s 2013: .224 .290 .465 .756 108. 67 Ks in 245 ABs. Numbers obviously way down across the board–soph jinx, injuries, or has league figured him out?

    Here’s another cubano who had decent season last year that has fallen off map this year Dayan Viciedo:
    2012–.255 BA .300 OB .444 slug .744 OPS 25 HRs 78 rbis
    2013– .236 .273 .377 .650 total of 5 HRs and 46 Ks in 191 ABs. Again, seems like league has figured out the kid.

    Puig could have a fine season, but let’s see what happens going forward. As Jason Heyward would tell him I’m sure, baseball is just not that easy as it seems right now.

    • chipower9 said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:05 am

      You have probably seen the Buena Vista Social Club, right? I thought that was a very cool thing that Ry Cooder did to help find some of the old great Cuban musicians.

      I agree. Puig is no different than any of the other “greatest thing since sliced bread” players…let’s see their numbers after a full season (at least 500 ABs). But he has looked impressive out the gate.

  4. Alleykat said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Bum said it was right where he wanted to throw it,changeup off the plate,fuckin Puig can really extend those arms.
    Yeah the chart doesn’t lie though.Gotta bust him inside,drill him like Ian Kenedy if you have too,maybe a Doggy Giants brawl is what we need to get us fired up again!!
    Did I mention Fuck the Dodgers!!
    Oh I didn’t, so one more time FUCK THE DODGERS!!!!

    • Flavor said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:09 am

      Kuip said Bum came in twice before he threw the CU. uh, sorry but that 2nd cutter missed inside by a mile, it accomplished nothing.
      I’m talking about some high cheese inside at his armpit level. That’ll back his ass off

  5. Macdog said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:09 am

    ESPN put up a chart after the home run that showed four of Puig’s seven HRs have gone to the opposite field. And then Puig got a nearly similar pitch on his third AB that he “only” hit for a single. Maybe the pitchers have to find out for themselves what he’s all about before fully trusting these charts and reports.

  6. Irish Kevin said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:16 am

    hmmm…the Giants…not sure what the hell is going on with them. It appears they have gone back to 2010 and 2011 where the pitching had to be perfect. No run support. I don’t really care about this Puig guy, he is not a Giant. Kuiper on KNBR commented that the last few games the SP’s have done their jobs, kept the Giants in the game with no run support. The BP is in disaray. so the question is if eveyone (except Pagan) gets healthy, like really quickly, can the Giants turn it around? I think so. And to echo AlleyKat, Fuck the boys in blue!!

  7. Alleykat said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:30 am

    One way to fuck the Dodgers over is have Bochy not include this punk ass Puig for the All-Star team!!!
    Like when Pablo got the shaft from Charlie Manuel.

    • Flavor said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:51 am

      the only way Puke is getting into that all star game is if he buys a ticket.
      I would like to see him in the HR derby though.

      • chipower9 said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:07 am

        Agree on both counts.

    • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:03 am

      I guess it’s possible that Puig could be selected by the online fan vote. I believe the list of 5 players for the spot are compiled by Bochy and the commissioner’s office.

  8. twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:35 am

    If he’s as good as he appears to be, he’ll have to pitched like all great hitters- everywhere. I remember when the Latin-American players were becoming a force- the word was to knock ’em down and that would be that.. Forget that…but you do have to pitch inside, especially against a guy who will go out and get pitches off the outside of the plate…
    Still, Puig should have been a side note iin a Dodger loss. We need to get those hittin’ shoes back on…

    • unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:35 am

      8 hits ain’t atrocious. Throw in 4 walks and a passed ball on a strikeout, and you have a lot of baserunners stranded. Getting on wasn’t the problem. And it hasn’t been. It has been getting them in.

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 11:54 am

        That’s part of the hittin’…gittin’ em in…

  9. unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:40 am

    The last 4 games have see a ton of hits and little scoring. DPs, baserunning errors, tripping over 3rd base, there’s have been countless reasons why we can’t score, but it’s so reminiscent of 2008 when we had lots of hits but few RBIs.

  10. chipower9 said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Going back to the last couple of threads, I think James summed it up quite well. The offense is not the problem, the SP is not the problem (of late), and that teams go through spells like this (healthy or not). I agree.

    I have said before, I am not tripping. Considerations of finding a ledge haven’t even been on my radar. I HAVE BEEN frustrated with the bullpen’s inability to hold a lead, and the offenses recent funk, but I go back to James’s comment on teams scuffling.

    Here are some numbers on the offense:

    MLB:
    Hitting: T 3
    Runs: T 14
    OBP: 10
    RISP 10
    SP 2 Out: 5
    Runner on 3rd, less than 2 out: 13

    NL:
    Hitting: 3
    Runs: T 4
    OBP: 6
    RISP 4
    SP 2 Out: T3
    Runner on 3rd, less than 2 out: 5

    So the offense is not the problem.

    Going back to yesreday’s thread, I still think they need to get a starter (Twin said he thinks they have it in Vogey coming back and Kickham). I disagree…go get Nolasco (this morning I heard the Giants supposedly have the inside track on landing him). This brings Gaudin back to the pen. And Casilla will be back in a couple of weeks.

    I also mentioned missing Pagan. I don’t care if he is a 10 million dollar man playing like a 2 million dollar man (Twin’s comments), I still think the best OF we can put on the field is Blanco, Pagan and Pence. Would prefer Pagan in LF and Blanco in CF, but that is not happening this year if Pagan comes back. Given all this, I would like to see some OF help (either internal or from another team). Not sure Perez is more than a 4th/5th (he needs to prove he can lay off a pitch). Maybe Kieschneck should finally get his cup of coffee. Regardless of whether it is inside or outside (help), I want to see something (Yungo – saw Twin’s comments on the correct name) just is not cutting it playing on a regular basis.

    • paulinasia said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:51 am

      Well, the team is what, 8 or 9 games under .500 since Pagan went down. Of course, Pablo was also out during that time. But yeah, I agree, he’s missed. Ok, he’s gone. Stop missing him and start clicking without him.

      • chipower9 said, on June 25, 2013 at 1:08 pm

        Agree. When I made the comment yesterday about missing Pagan, it was prior to the results of his surgery being announced (and the length of time he would be gone).

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 1:27 pm

        And I made my comments knowing he’d be out awhile. I would miss the player Pagan was for much of 2012. Not the 2013 version. Z did say something about being cheated out of knowing how he’d do the rest of the year. In that regard, I rather agree. In that I miss how he MIGHT perform.

    • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 11:59 am

      The offense is a problem in a game where they score 1.

      • chipower9 said, on June 25, 2013 at 1:11 pm

        No argument there. Overall, the numbers show that they are not a bad offensive team….they have just gone through a couple of periods where they just cannot get that key hit. Last night was a classic example.

  11. Nipper said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Where’s our Puig? We need one of those. Lets order one up!

    • blade3colorado said, on June 25, 2013 at 11:50 am

      • SanDawg said, on June 25, 2013 at 12:38 pm

        I usually don’t watch videos at work, but all bets are off when the SIx Million Dollar Man is involved. Good stuff. Enjoyed it thoroughly. Oscar Goldman kicks ass.

  12. paulinasia said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:49 am

    I used to love checking out the standings. I’ve stopped doing that, it gives me a sinking feeling that corresponds with the Gints sinking in the West. I’ll check back when they start playing over-.500 ball again. This just feels like 2011, when scoring just… stopped. That was mostly in August that year. Maybe they’ll get through this and come charging out of the gate after the All Star game. They’re hitting, they’re getting on base, but not bringing it home. Agree about the team chemistry, which stats don’t reflect. It does seem to be much less of a team now and just a collection of names (obviously out of necessity at this time). Someone needs to pull them together. Time for some Pence wild-eyed inspiration? Nothing lifts team spirit like winning. In the absence of winning, gotta inject some spirit and energy to start winning. Winning begets winning. Just win, mo-fo’s… step by step, game by game.

    Puig? He won that game practically by himself. There used to be a player on the Giants that opposing pitchers would pitch around. Bonds, I think his name was. If they can’t get the guy out, give him the Bonds treatment. Nobody else on the Dogs seems capable of doing much.

    • SanDawg said, on June 25, 2013 at 12:35 pm

      I think you got the name right. I think the guy’s name was Bonds.

      • SanDawg said, on June 25, 2013 at 12:44 pm

        He used to hit these things called “Home Runs,” where the ball goes over the fence on the fly. When that happens, you get to touch all the bases–and take your time while doing so. Then they put a point up on the board. Those “home runs” come in handy from time to time.

      • paulinasia said, on June 25, 2013 at 1:09 pm

        Yeah, I’ve heard of those things. HRs. Kinda miss ’em.

      • chipower9 said, on June 25, 2013 at 1:15 pm

        When the Giants come to town…it’s bye bye baby…

        Well, not so much of late. But as I mentioned earlier in regards to Michael’s comments on scoring only one run, they are up there in almost all of the offensive categories…they just go through these spells. Let’s hope this one ends soon, and they start kicking some Dodger ass to get it all started, again.

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 2:19 pm

        James is hardly the first person to say that offense isn’t the problem. That person would be moi, Twin, Michael, twinnie, or “fucking asshole” as Bozo lovingly calls me…as someone has already mentioned (or should have if they didn’t) , it’s everything when it’s going as it is now-they hit but don’t pitch. pitch but get thrown out on the bases, field but don’t get relief pitching, hit it just foul, or hit it at ’em, or, or,or…

      • Bozo said, on June 25, 2013 at 2:50 pm

        If you’re going to quote someone, shouldn’t you actually quote them? Or have you started attending a republican speech writing class?

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 4:04 pm

        It was foul and uncalled for, if the exact quote was was incorrect, it was close enough.

      • Bozo said, on June 25, 2013 at 5:28 pm

        Foul and uncalled for? Yes, I do think you’re an asshole but that wasn’t what I said, so according to your rules, that there makes you a liar. Here is the exact quote Fruckie. “So glad to hear about your garden, hey I wonder if you could humor me on something? I have an O/U bet on how many times you’ve heard the term “Fuck You, Asshole”? I went with over a thousand, was I close?”

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 5:58 pm

        I was extremely polite with you despite what you said. As I always try to be with you. I think Sandy’s comment summed it up on that front.

  13. unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Yup. Poig had the HR and the single to drive in the go-ahead run. Meanwhile the Giants were tripping and falling on the basepaths and strading guys left and right. The pisser to me was the pitches to Poig (where Posey set up BOTH times) were where he wanted them. Middle away.

  14. Bozo said, on June 25, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    Hey Twitter folks, someone has set-up a fake account for Flannery. If you tweet and see that out there,Tim is asking folks to rebuke the person in love…
    I gotta think that Flap Nation could do some series rebuking, hell I’m thinking of setting up a twitter account just to toss some shit this persons way.

    • Nipper said, on June 25, 2013 at 12:25 pm

      Bozo likes to play with shit! News at Eleven.

  15. James said, on June 25, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    The offense has to play about 40 games of not scoring and the pitching about 40 of better than quality starts before the equation evens out. Criticism of the offense in the moment is understandable, but the hitting has zero to do with the fact that they are at 500 right now. Look to all of the games they didn’t win over the first third of the season when the pitching was the worst in all of baseball. Hey! Guess what? It still is the worst, at least by one pretty damning measure.

    • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 12:47 pm

      I’ve never said that the offense is the overall problem. It’s kind of a major DUH!!!!! that hitting is a problem in a game where only one run has been scored, however.

      • unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 2:40 pm

        The Giants batted .273 yesterday.

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 3:39 pm

        If they hit .350 but still only scored one run, offense is a problem for the night. DUH!!!!!!

    • paulinasia said, on June 25, 2013 at 1:14 pm

      Agree that the pitching was the biggest problem in the first 1/3rd of the season. Not so much lately, now it’s the lack of scoring (even though they are getting some hits and walks). So, it’s really just the problem du j’our with this team. Need to get all things operating consistently well to put a win streak together. It’s too bad that better pitching (from the starters, anyway) seems to have coincided with injuries to the hitters and lack of runs in the past couple of weeks.

    • chipower9 said, on June 25, 2013 at 1:20 pm

      I am confident things will be OK, pitching wise if the Giants (as many think) get Nolasco. I get it that Vogey is coming back, but that shitty first 1/3 of the season pitching…much of that was on him. He had a good outing when he got hurt…I have no confidence he can come back and be a positive contributor to the rotation. Couple that with Zito’s road woes, and Tim being Tim, and I think a starter is in order. As mentioned before, that puts Gaudin back where he belongs, in the pen. Add Casilla back in a week or so, and I do think things will be OK.

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 1:33 pm

        As to another starting pitcher, I’ve said (maybe on the Merc blog) that Nolasco would be my choice if they needed one. But nobody knows that they will and I seriously doubt the decision will be made before another 3 or 4 weeks. Bochy seems to think that pen help is a bigger need now, and I agree, which is why I’ve touted Crain.

      • Bozo said, on June 25, 2013 at 2:11 pm

        SB Nation is saying that the Giants are the favorites for Nolasco. They also say that there are some behind the scene things going on to drive the price down.

        http://tinyurl.com/pyp6z7e

      • unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 2:39 pm

        Nolasco hanging with the insane clown posse?

      • chipower9 said, on June 25, 2013 at 2:57 pm

        I started talking about the potential need for a starter back before Vogey went down (his lousy start, last year of contract, and also last year of Zito’s contract). Couple that with no guarantees that any of the young arms in the org are going to be ready.

        I still think landing a starter kills two birds with one stone (Gaudin back to pen) and takes pressure off relying on Vogey to come back and be productive, or having to rely on Kickham. I like Kickham’s stuff, but he may need another year of seasoning.

        Anyway…I am sticking with my call for a starter and all signs are that they are working on landing Nolasco.

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 3:52 pm

        I don’t have a problem wiith getting Nolasco and it might happen, my point is that I don’t think it’s a decision they will make for 3-4 weeks. They may not get any pitching help at all or it might be a higher end guy or a reliever or two or an outfielder, a lot can happen in a month.

  16. salty said, on June 25, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Giants record since injury bug

    25-20 when Casilla and Vogie went down 5/20.

    27-22 when Pagan went 5/25

    32-29 when Pablo left

    • salty said, on June 25, 2013 at 12:49 pm

      Also missed Scutaro for 6 games..

      • Alleykat said, on June 25, 2013 at 1:32 pm

        And real fortunate Whitey isn’t with us anymore. Could of gotten real ugly on our record..

  17. unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Chi, this one’s for you:

    • chipower9 said, on June 25, 2013 at 2:59 pm

      Ah, you obviously saw my share of Fleetwood Mac’s Black Magic Woman on FB. Thanks…and yes…I dig the old Fleetwood Mac.

  18. unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Yeah, what a (lousy) transformation that band went through. Like Journey pre-Steve Perry and post-Steve Perry.

  19. salty said, on June 25, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Be prepared to puke some.more…dodgers said to be close to getting Naolasco

    • salty said, on June 25, 2013 at 3:13 pm

      Oops my.misread…dodgers are after him but not close

  20. twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    1. Gregor Blanco (L) CF

    2. Marco Scutaro (R) 2B

    3. Buster Posey (R) C

    4. Pablo Sandoval (S) 3B

    5. Hunter Pence (R) RF

    6. Brandon Belt (L) 1B

    7. Andres Torres (S) LF

    8. Brandon Crawford (L) SS

    9. Mike Kickham (L) P

  21. blade3colorado said, on June 25, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Clown, thanks for the link regarding Nolasco and Gmen . . . What is also interesting and ties in with my prediction (snarkk’s too) about the Padres being serious contenders for the Division – are the Padres going after Garza per Peter Gammons, where he says,

    “GM rumors du jour:Garza to Padres(Reymond Fuentes, 2 other Hoyer/McLeod prospects), Nolasco to Giants.”

    Back to Nolasco, CBS is saying, “The Marlins are “being very aggressive” in shopping pitcher Ricky Nolasco, according to the New York Daily News. The team is reportedly “calling everyone” about Nolasco. The Mets had discussed Nolasco earlier in the season, but nothing came of the talks. A source told the Daily News that the Marlins “are desperate to move Nolasco.”

    Nolasco has allowed eight runs combined over his last three starts (18 innings). He has a 3.68 ERA through 100 1/3 innings, so I am down with him coming here.

  22. twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    With Henry saying that the Bums are “on blitzkrieg” to get Nolasco and the Fish want to move him ASAP, that may force Sabean’s hand. I hope not. Nolasco will make a nice 4 but if they’re hell bent on getting him, the Dodgers will give up too much. He’s not worth a bidding war.

  23. blade3colorado said, on June 25, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    I just read this, “Despite manager Don Mattingly’s statement that Kemp needed more at-bats, the Dodgers activated outfielder Matt Kemp from the disabled list and placed him in the starting lineup for Tuesday’s game against the Giants.
    Kemp has been out since May 29 with a hamstring injury, but was able to get through two rehab games as well as batting practice Tuesday, convincing the team he is ready. Kemp started at center field and batted fifth in his return.”

  24. Flavor said, on June 25, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    “A source told the Daily News that the Marlins “are desperate to move Nolasco.”
    This is a perfect sentence to remind us of the bullshit that gets slung around this time of year. They are *desperate*? Why? Did he tell them he was going to start telling the hitters what pitches he’s throwing? Did they just discover he is secretly working for the Taliban?
    The Marlins will have zero problem moving Nolasco by the break, there is no sound reason why they’d be *desperate* to move him right now.

  25. Flavor said, on June 25, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Starting pitching, good starting pitching, is always going to cost a lot whether it’s now or at the deadline. There are no cheap good starting pitchers to be had unless they’re packaged is a complex, multi player deal. Sabean has been great at finding the bargains over the last couple of seasons but if he’s looking for a *Nolasco* or a *Norris* he’s going to pay through the nose. And that’s not his style.
    He should stick to picking up the set up guys–Javier Lopez guys, or middle infielders like Scoots who cost nothing more than a Culberson…….

  26. unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    Marlins looking to trade Nolasco ‘ASAP.’

    • unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 5:23 pm

      I tried to post that before I walked the doggies (at 4:10).

      Weird . . .

  27. Bozo said, on June 25, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Have a good night Gents. Go, Giants!

    • Flavor said, on June 25, 2013 at 5:48 pm

      No Bozo for the game? Dude, you’re like a warm blanket late at night. This sucks. 🙂

  28. Flavor said, on June 25, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Another way to know we’re dealing with the rambling of a twitter guy more interested in busting a story first than actually reporting the truth:
    Even if the Marlins were desperate to move Nolasco, why would they tell anyone that? It would completely ruin their leverage. What’s actually happening is that writers are hearing the Marlins are in contact with many different clubs. But that’s SOP this time of year. It doesn’t mean they’re in desperation mode, just that they are doing their due diligence, they’re doing what any team would do who is out of it at this time of year….
    The writers assign words to this stuff but it’s not based in reality

  29. salty said, on June 25, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    Well if Marlins feel there is sufficient interest, moving him now removes worrying about possible injury or having him go off form. They will also save a couple of more bucks, big for cheapskate Loria.

    • Flavor said, on June 25, 2013 at 6:09 pm

      yup, all true. And if he was injury prone like Peavy I could see them getting anxious to move him. But Nolasco is rock solid healthy and while Loria is a joke I can’t imagine he’d be calling meetings with the GM demanding they move Nolasco NOW to save the 70K a game that Nolasco makes this year. But WTF do I know, maybe that’s enough dough to make him get *desperate* to move him…
      Another reason I don’t think the Dodgers are front runners for Nolasco: he doesn’t make enough money. Nolasco is owed a little over 6 million for the rest of this season (and then he’s a free agent), any contending team can absorb that. The Dodgers farm system is ranked below average right now (don’t feel like looking it up, they’re in the 20’s) so it’s not like they have a ton of booty to throw the Marlins way. San Diego has a very good farm system, I’d be more worried about them….
      The Dodgers are too be feared if they’re going after a player with a ton of dough still owed (hello, Cliff Lee) but not a guy like Nolasco…..

  30. twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Because the teams looking for help are many and the pitching talent pool is shallow, these guys are going to go for far more than they should command. I hope Sabean keeps his wits about him.

    • Flavor said, on June 25, 2013 at 6:13 pm

      I’m sure he will, I doubt you have anything to worry about. He had the one-off thing with Beltran but that was a perfect storm and I don’t think he’s got that kind of freedom to pull triggers like that over and over. In hindsight, Beltran should have cost less because he had that stupid ass (for us) contract thing where a team couldn’t receive a draft pick comp if he bailed…..

    • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 6:33 pm

      I wouldn’t say I’m worried about it. Here’s what Henry just posted, part of what he got from a talk with Sabean, this afternoon, I presume;
      “Sabean give a small hint that the Giants might do a deal such as Nolasco when he said he’d be more likely to trade for a rental player, who can be a free agent after the season, if the other team just wants to dump salary without extracting big prospects. That seems to be the Marlins’ desire.”
      Other than that caveat, he seems to prefer to wait for the for the “July trading frenzy”. Reading between the lines, maybe he *will* go hard after Nolasco if it’s mostly cash, and re-evaluate in late July.

      http://blog.sfgate.com/giants/

      • Flavor said, on June 25, 2013 at 6:38 pm

        Plus, Nolasco would fucking love it here. He’s a so-cal guy, he would relish pitching in our pitcher friendly park for a winning team in front of a packed house every night with nary a beat writer around to ever criticize him. He’s having a very good year, he’s always had great peripherals, he’s 30, it might be a great fit after the year is over for a multi year deal. And we need pitching after this season….

  31. salty said, on June 25, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Don’t known if this was brought up earlier, but was Ponson the last SP acquired at the dline by Sabes?

    • Flavor said, on June 25, 2013 at 6:11 pm

      just scanning my memory quickly, I think you’re right.

  32. blade3colorado said, on June 25, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    In my opinion, Nate Schierholtz is a legit fantasy league play now. Just went yard again (11 season), 32 RBI, 31 runs, and 4 SB. I’m happy for him.

    • Flavor said, on June 25, 2013 at 6:35 pm

      He absolutely is but the ballpark he plays in has to be factored in. I’d welcome Nate back with open arms mostly because he hasn’t gotten injured this year or missed any significant amount of time or gone through any of his 3-45 spells….
      But he’s hitting .300, he’s hitting bombs more regularly than anyone else on our team, he’s got speed still and his defense and arm is unquestioned. Plus, he’s cheap as fuck. I’d trade for Nate if the price was right and install him as our new right fielder (if Pence was cool with moving to left). Pence, Blanco, Nate would be a HELL of a defense…….

      • blade3colorado said, on June 25, 2013 at 6:50 pm

        Yeah, I would welcome him back too. Schierholtz has more home runs than Adrian Gonzalez and more doubles than Miguel Cabrera. His .902 OPS is better than Prince Fielder’s. And he’s done it all in fewer at-bats. Why he sits, I have no idea . . . As I said earlier, he is a legit FL play, except for dipship Sveum sitting him too much – he’s played in just 12 June games – but he’s hitting .351 with three home runs and a 1.226 OPS so far this month, and his BABIP is a sustainable .306 on the season. You mentioned Sveum being an idiot with regard to trotting “Gas Can” Marmol out to close games. Same thing with regard to his use of Schierholtz. Dollars to donuts, Sveum wont have a job next year.

  33. zumiee said, on June 25, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Wheeler is in danger of losing in his second start, to the White Sox. Gallaspie seems to have found a home with the Sox. He had no future with the Giants playing 3B.

    • zumiee said, on June 25, 2013 at 7:04 pm

      Which makes the first round pick of Arroyo puzzling. The Giants are set with Craw at short, and Panik hopefully taking over for Scutaro down the road.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 25, 2013 at 7:17 pm

      Zum, he’s out of the game after getting lit up for 4 runs in 5.1 innings, 3 BB, and 1K.

    • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 7:22 pm

      Gillaspie is at .250 BA .307 OBP ..687 OPS 84 OPS+ . I think he need to step it up a bit to make Chicago a long term home.

  34. twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    The question I have with Nate is that his splits show a guy who’s not much diffrent than he was here unless he’s playing at Wrigley. And I think Blanco would still be platooned , he has never hit lefties.

    • Flavor said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:30 pm

      well Nate has a 143 wRC+. That’s pretty good, right?

  35. Alleykat said, on June 25, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    Gotta love the turmoil always created in NY.
    GM Brian Cashman is livid at A-Rod,as A-Rod’s been tweeting he’s good to go on his rehabbing with his own doctor (not approved by the Yanks) so Cashman shot back and said..A-Rod needs to just shut the F-up and go thru the “TEAM” Medical Staff when it comes to activating from the DL.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 25, 2013 at 7:18 pm

      Kat, do you have a link to this story? Thanks . . .

  36. blade3colorado said, on June 25, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Fuck, no video stream tonight. Later Flappers . . . Go Giants!

  37. twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    Kickham didn’t seem to have much problem busting The Puigie inside..

    • Flavor said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:28 pm

      it’s about time someone did. Good for him. And did you see how Puig was a hair late and a little off balance on that first at bat fly ball to the outfield? That’s what cutting off the *unfettered dive* will do to Puig.

  38. zumiee said, on June 25, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    Not the brightest Dodger fans there.

  39. zumiee said, on June 25, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    Kickham is sans glasses tonight. Must be wearing contacts.

  40. willedav said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    I’d much prefer Nate on a fantasy team than a real one like here. He’s in a perfect spot—warm weather hitters park in a division full of same. He’s on pace to hit 20 bombs or so—in order to do that for the Giants he’d have to hit 17 of them on the road because he ain’t hitting them out of ATT the way he is at Wrigley.
    Unless he gets to hit off the cubs pitching staff.

    • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:31 pm

      He has 7 HRs at Wrigley this year in 107 AB. He hit 6 at ATT in his entire career here.

  41. eddacker said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    You have to love the battle attitude of this team. they may not be pulling any A-game miracles, but this team is fighting with what they have.
    go Gigantes!

    • unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:44 pm

      Hate to beg to differ, but 2nd and 3rd with no outs, and getting one isn’t battling. It’s wasting opportunities.

      • eddacker said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:52 pm

        losing a series to the fish and (possibly) the dogers is NOT winning the fight, fer sur. The daubers-down dugout I have seen lately does seem to come out each new day with some fight still in it.

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:01 pm

        Chuckles: So what do you call a pop up with one out and a runner on third?

      • unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:07 pm

        I call it a wasted opportunity. You can call it a fucking rally if you want.

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:23 pm

        Pay attention: you knock Torres for driving in a run and go mute whan Crawford pops up with one out and runner on third.

      • unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:54 pm

        I’m talking about the whole inning fuck-o. Look for your conspiracies somewhere else.

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:57 pm

        I know you too well, Chuckles.

      • unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:05 pm

        Your inference, not mine

  42. unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Wow. There’s a shitty call.

    • unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:46 pm

      And then Posey walks. blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. This team is getting on my nerves.

      • Nipper said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:52 pm

        Stomp your feet, Chuck!

      • unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:58 pm

        Fuck you and your stupid little comments, Nip.

  43. unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    Hey. Kickham made Poig look foolish

  44. unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    And follows with a cripple slider.

  45. unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    Oh fuck.

    • Nipper said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:52 pm

      BLEEP!

  46. Flavor said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    ugh, fucking Eye Goggle Boy. FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  47. unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    Fuck it. Start a fight. Drill Kemp.

  48. unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    Think he’s done, Boch . . .

  49. IH1972 said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Game over. Kickham sucks, bullpen sucks, Giants suck.

    • Nipper said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:07 pm

      The world sucks!

  50. unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    Who in the wide wide world of sports throws to 1st with the pitcher up? Fucking brain-dead stupid ass fucking shit.

  51. unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    The Giants look as pathetic as the Dodgers did 2 months ago.

    These guys can’t get out of their own way.

    Too bad we’ve blown our wad offensively. This one’s done.

    • Nipper said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:06 pm

      Pet your doggie!

      • unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:07 pm

        Go fuck yourself.

      • Nipper said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:08 pm

        Don’t forget the treats.

      • unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:09 pm

        The dingleberies are all yours, Nip.

  52. xoot said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    Kickham had trouble in the stretch with a runner on 2B. He was off balance after looking back at the runner and then turning to come home. 2 HRs. That’s what I saw.

  53. eddacker said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    talk about bad shit.

    2 real close plays for Blanco that either could have been a game changer. this makes me think baseball is a game of inches.

    • unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:56 pm

      Still don;t dig the sliding into 1st. It ainblt any faster and you get exposed to injuries.

  54. twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    The Dodger pen is eminently beatable.

  55. unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    Okay… let’a waste a few more baserunners.

  56. unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    God forbid I get my hopes up . . .

  57. unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    You calling me racist, Mike?

    • salty said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:08 pm

      His 9:32

    • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:10 pm

      About Torres? No, I think you are biased towards him as a player. If I thought you were a racist, I’d call you one.

  58. salty said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Good call tf.

  59. unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Answer me, Mike.

    • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:13 pm

      I did. Got glasses?

      • unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:16 pm

        Gawd, you are a dick. Fuck you Mike. You think you know me? You think my post is racist? You are a brain dead conspiracy monger. Fuck off.

      • unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:17 pm

        Jump at shadows much?

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:21 pm

        What are you even talking about, I said you were biased towards him as a PLAYER. Not his race or ethnicity. I never said your post was racist. I will ask if you can fucking read.

      • unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:28 pm

        Bullshit, Mike. Go fuck yourself. I never said anything about Torres. My comment was about the inning, You inferred I meant Torres, then you say I give Crawford a pass but come down on Torres. Neither of which I did..

        “I know you too well’; Again, go fuck yourself. The inference is clear from you.

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:40 pm

        My “inference” was that you, as you have exhibited time and again, are biased towards Torres as a player. Anything else is your feeble but foul imagination.

  60. salty said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    Let if fucking hit you ferchrissakes

  61. PawlieKokonuts said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    They had my hopes up. Dashed.

  62. twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    Damn.. I thought he had it over his head..

    • unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:20 pm

      Did you get yours out of your ass yet?

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:27 pm

        Whatever you’re putting in body tonight, stop. I told you that I didn’t think you were racist and I told you that I thought you were biased towards Torres as a player. Go to bed.

      • unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:29 pm

        You said it after the fact. Fuck off.

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:34 pm

        After what fact, moron? I never said you were a racist and I never said your post was racist. Then you asked me if I was calling you a racist. I never did call you that and I fucking answered your question.

  63. unca_chuck said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    Well, at least they showed some heart. Something lacking recently.

    • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:36 pm

      The team has never lacked heart.

    • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:53 pm

      Chuck you have no idea how tempted I am to share something with you. If I really was a “fucking asshole” , I would yield to the temptation. Now really, go to bed. You are really out of control tonight.

  64. willedav said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Lot of good ABs and balls hit hard tonite and a couple bombs. Get Pablo back in the groove team should be scoring runs again. Kershaw has not had a cy type year, and has left a few games that the LA pen coughed up..like they almost did tonite.

  65. James said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    I will only quietly note that my lone prediction, made early in the season, that Brandon Belt would ultimately have better stats than Brandon Crawford, is true for the first time this season. Such are the sad ass victories one is left with when your team starts to adhere to the laws of the mighty Pythagorean formula.

    • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:45 pm

      Well, Crawford may not be right yet, after the injury, but I can’t imagine anyone thinking Crawdad would be the better hitter throughout the year.

      • James said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:54 pm

        I can imagine plenty of folks thinking exactly that. Belt is still considered suspect by the casual fan, idiot sportswriter, and crusty Giants telecaster. That body language thing.

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 11:03 pm

        Oh, *THEM*… I should have said “smart baseball people”..

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 11:09 pm

        And we saw why Blanco will be sitting tomorrow.

      • James said, on June 25, 2013 at 11:12 pm

        Well, yes, i am smarter than most. It’s a simple fact. i apologize.

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 11:25 pm

        I was just telling Merna tonight,” that James guy is one smart fella.”

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 11:29 pm

        Well, I think Chuck passed out. Poor fucker, he takes losses so hard.

      • Flavor said, on June 25, 2013 at 11:31 pm

        You predicted a first baseman would be a better hitter than a short stop known for his glove and not his bat? Wow, that’s really going out on a ledge there, James. Bold shit, indeed.

      • James said, on June 25, 2013 at 11:39 pm

        Shucks, guys, thanks.

      • twinfan1 said, on June 25, 2013 at 11:49 pm

        Not so much here, but I heard a lot of chatter about Crawford being the better hitter… and Belt still has many detractors.I think I’ll end up close with my preseason calls for them, as will a lot of commenters here who have mostly thought Belt would have the better numbers, James *is* a smart guy, though.

  66. salty said, on June 25, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    I think they will need big 2nd halves from both Brandons to have a shot. That is if they aren’t already toast by the break.

  67. Macdog said, on June 25, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    The best thing the Giants have going for them right now is that the D-Backs keep losing.

  68. imyomamma2 said, on June 26, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Reblogged this on THE LIGHTER SIDE OF SPORTS and commented:
    Although this may seem in direct conflict to my last post, as I said it’s a “rivalry” an on the field rivalry. I find this blog amusing and I think it mirror’s my thoughts on the past 2 games rather closely. Enjoy!


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