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The Nolasco Sweepstakes

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 28, 2013

The semi-reliable word is that the Marlins want to acquire a decent prospect as well as not having to pay the remaining 6 mil on Nolasco’s deal this year. Since there are multiple teams interested, I’m assuming they will find a buyer. And it’s unlikely that Sabean will pay the winning price.

I don’t understand the trepidation of not wanting to over-pay. If you identify the correct need and you are trying to win this year, what’s the problem with over-paying a little bit? And it’s a double whammy against us if we don’t get Nolasco and the Dodgers do get him.

Players are commodities, you can’t hold on to every single one of them and expect to get better. If you aren’t going to use them at the mlb level then use them as currency to buy a player who CAN help you at this level. If you trade a player it’s not like he’s coming from a finite pool. The minor league system is replenished each year. If you were climbing Mount Everest and your oxygen tank suddenly broke would you head back down the mountain or pay a premium price to one of the Sherpa’s to keep the climb alive?

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  1. salty said, on June 28, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Well, I find it interesting that Sabean rarely gets outmaneuvered in a trade, but often wildly overpays for FA’s.

    • salty said, on June 28, 2013 at 11:34 am

      I guess the easy answer is he’s less concerned with money than he is with giving up players.

    • chipower9 said, on June 28, 2013 at 2:23 pm

      Salt – I’m not sure that “often wildly overpays” is accurate. Who, by your reasoning, fits into this criteria?

  2. zumiee said, on June 28, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    The pitching is priority #1 for the Giants in transaction considerations; but it would be nice to fix the outfield situation, too. There’s too many Blanco/Torres ABs happening.

    • twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 12:32 pm

      Torres has struggled some this month after a nice May, but Blanco is .345 BA, .389 OBP .877 OPS this month.

  3. SanDawg said, on June 28, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    Flav–are you going F Scott FItzgerald on us and actually referencing something much deeper than simply bringing in Ricky Nolasco? Is the Sherpa Troy Tulowitzki? Are you trying to make a statement about the American Dream? Or the unrest in Syria? Perhaps this post somehow ties into the gay marriage issue? I’m heading out to the backyard with a High Life to ponder the underlying meaning of your post. I might also mow the lawn, though I wish one of the kids was around to help me move the trampoline. Funny, but the grass always grows best UNDER the trampoline. Some sort of funky greenhouse effect, I guess. I might ponder that as well.

    Might Zito shock the world with ANOTHER shutout at Coors????

    • twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 12:19 pm

      Zito, for reasons known only to the Sherpa Gods, has pitched very well at Base Station Coors over the years…

    • chipower9 said, on June 28, 2013 at 2:25 pm

      Damned San…if you ponder BOTH the meaning of Flavor’s post AND how the grass grows best under the trampoline, you may need an extra High Life (or two)…lqtm…good stuff.

  4. twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Nolasco isn’t the best pitcher available. So whether we get him or not isn’t necessarily a bad thing. There are a few weeks left before we’ll have a real good idea of what everybody has done to improve. And even then, who could have known what Lopez and Ramirez did for us, or Ross, or Scooter last year? Our biggest deadline move in recent years turned out the worst, and some of the seemingly minor ones have been huge. I’m not sweating Nolasco either way.

    • Flavor said, on June 28, 2013 at 4:17 pm

      Whether he’s the best pitcher available isn’t the issue. Would he make us better, and if we determine he would make us better, how much would we feel confident paying for him? And remember, if the Dodgers get him (or anyone in the NL west actually) then we should ratchet up what we feel comfortable paying.

    • twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 4:20 pm

      “Whether he’s the best pitcher available isn’t the issue.”
      It’s the issue if Sabean thinks he can get a better one,

  5. snarkk said, on June 28, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Sorry, if it’s give up Crick or Stratton as part of a deal for Nolasco, then it’s no deal. No giving up #1 or #2 starter prospects for a current MLB #3 or #4 that is a FA in 3 months. Make something else happen. After 2 WS wins in 3 years, its time to protect the future a bit, because the current starting pitching, even with some help, is not even close to as dominant as it was 2010-2012 — which is what won the team those championships. I keep the potential dominant starters in the system to replenish for another run when we lose 2 if not 3 starters next year. I don’t trade a top starting prospect now for a highly uncertain shot at the playoffs…

    • twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 12:52 pm

      I don’t see Sabean giving up anything like Crick or Stratton for Nolasco. Maybe Heston.

    • Macdog said, on June 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm

      Especially for a pitcher who gave up a triple to Lincecum last week.

      • salty said, on June 28, 2013 at 1:29 pm

        Good point. 😉

      • snarkk said, on June 28, 2013 at 1:37 pm

        If you consider giving up hits to the opposing pitcher a sign of pitcher suckage, then the Giants staff is suckage squared…

    • WilcoJoe said, on June 28, 2013 at 1:37 pm

      Completely agree.

      • WilcoJoe said, on June 28, 2013 at 1:38 pm

        To your 12:45 Snarkk

      • salty said, on June 28, 2013 at 1:40 pm

        After dealing Wheeler, I think the odds are slim and none they deal a Crick or Stratton.

      • chipower9 said, on June 28, 2013 at 2:27 pm

        I agree with Joe’s 1:37 that agrees with Sharkk’s 12:45.

    • twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 5:18 pm

      Acutually, it turns out that our starting pitchers at least, haven’t been as bad as urban legend would have it. Craig corrected me on the numbers:

      Bumgarner 4 for 27 .148
      Cain 2 for 33 .061
      Timmy 3 for 25 .120
      Zito 6 for 26 .231
      Gaudin 0 for 9 .000
      Vogie 3 for 15 .200
      Kickham 0 for 2 .000

  6. twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Enjoy your afternoons, see ya later.

  7. salty said, on June 28, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    I like the Sherpa Oxygen analogy. I’m picturing Sabean and Colletti at the summit bidding on that last canister of oxygen and the Sherpa sitting there with a smile on his face while he considers Colletti’s Rolex vs Sabean’s Tag Huer.

  8. Alleykat said, on June 28, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Not a Nolasco fan at all,agree he’s a #3 at best.
    Norris is up and down as well but he atleast wants to come here and that means alot after the Beltran crap after the season.
    I’ll take some heat for this (Twin for sure) but I would go all in in a multi trade with Houston with Norris &Matt Dominguez 3B.
    Pablo goes.This kid Dominguez is only gonna get better,leads their team in bombs 11, RBI’S 43.
    Compare him to Panda this year,and yeah he loses out in avg and OBP. But overall he is right their and younger and way freakin slimmer.Plays a good 3 rd base as well.

    • WilcoJoe said, on June 28, 2013 at 2:12 pm

      Kat, nice observation on Dominguez. Reminds me a lot of Dan Uttla… Won’t hit for average… Defensive is stellar despite the errors.

      • Alleykat said, on June 28, 2013 at 2:47 pm

        Thanks Wilcojoe…I was hoping you might chime in about him being that you see the Astros some. He does play a solid 3rd despite the 9a errors.Last year part-time he made only 1 in 60 games or so.

    • snarkk said, on June 28, 2013 at 2:58 pm

      I don’t know about 3rd basemen around the league, but just the fact that people here and on other blogs and in media are talking about possibly trading Panda is a huge change in perception. For example, Marty Lurie on KNBR has indirectly called for Panda to be traded in the offseason. Not because he’s fat, but because he can’t be depended on to be available without DL stints given his physical conditioning. You can argue Lurie doesn’t know what he’s talking about, but I won’t, he’s closer to the Giants than any of us. I doubt he’d be saying that kind of shit over 50K Watts unless he got an inkling from somewhere inside that trading Panda is not off the table…

      • zumiee said, on June 28, 2013 at 3:30 pm

        I’m curious how someone “indirectly” calls for something.

      • snarkk said, on June 28, 2013 at 3:32 pm

        Listen to him and you’ll understand…

      • zumiee said, on June 28, 2013 at 3:35 pm

        Or you could tell us. 🙂

      • Nipper said, on June 28, 2013 at 3:40 pm

        Snarkk has his ears to the rails. News at Six.

      • snarkk said, on June 28, 2013 at 3:41 pm

        He did not say “I want Panda out of here”. He said many things to support that statement, but without saying that statement, particularly emphasizing his importance to the team as a hitter, but lack of availability. I can’t quote verbatim what he said, it was several minutes and he’s said it several times over the past weekend in different ways and with different callers. There was no question what the opinion was…

    • twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 4:26 pm

      At least get his name right.” Chris ” is a second level prospect at best. Doesn’t even have an .800 OPS in the Bilko league. He and Panda are both 26, BTW.

  9. salty said, on June 28, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    I’m sure the G’s are frustrated with Pablo, but his value to them outweighs what they could get in trade, imo. He’ll be a FA in 2015, so can’t see the rebuilding Astros being interested. But who knows?

  10. Flavor said, on June 28, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    I heard Lurie this afternoon and I guess he was still talking about it today. He was clear that he would not sign Panda if it was unclear on whether or not we could count on him playing in 145 games a season. He mentioned his conditioning once, I think, but basically he was referencing fact if you just look at the last 3 years. And he’s on pace to hit about 120-125 this year (after playing 117 and 108 the last 2 seasons.
    And we’ve all heard the joke about him not having any more hamate bones to break and that’s true. But he’s also missed time with a groin injury, an elbow problem and a foot *strain* this year. And big people tend to break down more as they get older due to weight related issues, not less.
    I’m hoping we don’t sign Panda to a long term deal after this season. The Giants might do it just because of his marketing value, but from a baseball standpoint, it would be too *big* of a risk (for me).

    • twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 4:29 pm

      Whatever they do they won’t be replacing him with “Matt” Dominguez.

      1. Gregor Blanco (L) CF

      2. Marco Scutaro (R) 2B

      3. Buster Posey (R) C

      4. Pablo Sandoval (S) 3B

      5. Hunter Pence (R) RF

      6. Brandon Belt (L) 1B

      7. Andres Torres (S) LF

      8. Brandon Crawford (L) SS

      9. Barry Zito (L) P

  11. Flavor said, on June 28, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Another possible indicator about the future of the Panda: some of you have noticed that he doesn’t seem to be running as hard or as fast as he used to. When he first came up, we all can remember him putting his head down and motoring around a base on his way to the next base. It was fun to watch.
    In 2009, by far his best season, he had 44 doubles. That’s a pretty big number and it speaks to the *motoring* we saw from him back then.
    This year, in a little more than a third of the at bats he took in 2009, he’s got 7 doubles.
    And I haven’t seen him do too much *motoring* around the bases this year.

  12. twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    I don’t rule out them trading Panda, but obviously some of that depends on how the rest of the year goes. Not having any more hamates to break is not a joke, it’s revelant to how much he time he’s missed with with all of those other injuries .We’ll see about this year, but the number of games he missed from other injuries or just sitting by manager’s decision was 42 games in 4 full years. That’s easily confirmed by game logs and the DL reports.

    • Flavor said, on June 28, 2013 at 5:00 pm

      I just meant that people have joked about not having any more hamate bones to break. I think you’ve tossed a couple out there, too.

      • PawlieKokonuts said, on June 28, 2013 at 5:04 pm

        It seems to me the “hamate” bone is a misnomer. It should be the name of the bone that causes you to “ham” it up, seek the Klieg lights. It’s right near the decidedly unfunny funny bone.

      • Flavor said, on June 28, 2013 at 5:10 pm

        see, there’s a joke about the hamate bone right there. And a pretty clever one at that

      • twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 5:22 pm

        I know what you meant. It lends itself to jokes, but it’s also a truism that the lack of it does sorta rule out injuring it.

  13. PawlieKokonuts said, on June 28, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Speaking of Sherpas, there was a fracas (frah-CAH, as the Brits say) in May between Sherpas and their Western “clients” (“sahibs”). http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/13/130501-mount-everest-fight-sherpas-sahibs-world-mountain-climbing/ Maybe SanDawg is right: Magnus’s post raises deep cultural, metaphorical, tribal, linguistic, linguine, and alfredo al fresca issues.

  14. PawlieKokonuts said, on June 28, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Would it help if The Reverend gave the team one of his Elmer Gantry raps? I think he should keep that in his back pocket for when we REALLY need it.

  15. Flavor said, on June 28, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Do any of you play the *beat the streak* game at mlb.com? Pick 57 hitters in a row who get a hit, you win 5.6 mil. It’s very difficult to do–in 12 years or so of the game, no one has ever done it. Some 45 game streaks, I think. My best streak is 18 and I stopped doing it this year after a couple of different 8 game streaks.
    But now they have a beat the streak all on the same day! Obviously, no one is going to pick 57 hitters who get a hit today but the guy who picks the most gets a $1,000.
    Me and a buddy at work killed off about an hour today filling out our sheet. I’m hoping for 35 hits. That was my realistic goal.
    Anyway, I think they’re doing it every Friday now so check it out and if enough people want to play, I’ll create a Flapper contest for it.

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on June 28, 2013 at 5:22 pm

      based on the way I play our FL, I’ll register a negative score

  16. Flavor said, on June 28, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    I love this shit: the Indians are beating the White Sox 16-10 in the 7th right now. They’re burning through both bullpens.
    Oh, and they have a second game to play after this one. Awesome.

    • Flavor said, on June 28, 2013 at 5:26 pm

      Someone named *Brain Omogrosso* (that name HAS to be made up) took the hit for the White Sox today. After Blade’s streamer pick of the day Santiago couldn’t get thru the 3rd, The Gross-ly One came in for 2.1 innings. He gave up 9 hits and 9 earned runs. I think Omg!-grosso now knows what the White Sox org thinks of him– to them he’s nothing more than a rodeo clown.

      • PawlieKokonuts said, on June 28, 2013 at 5:33 pm

        MUST be the POTD. Talk about wordplay, *Omg!-grosso* is great. (Admittedly, his name begs for this.)

      • Flavor said, on June 28, 2013 at 5:42 pm

        Well I misspelled his first name and I’m on my ph now so I’m not gonna bother fixing it. But I appreciate you comment Kokonuts!

  17. PawlieKokonuts said, on June 28, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    This just in. Miguel Cabrera now has 81 RBIs. As in EIGHTY-ONE. Yoikes. Still, Sergio Romo took care of his bat when it was needed.

    • Flavor said, on June 28, 2013 at 6:44 pm

      He’s fantastic. I love him.

  18. zumiee said, on June 28, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    You know things aren’t going all that well when Krukow starts going into his “They’re stealing our signs” thing.

    • snarkk said, on June 28, 2013 at 6:37 pm

      Yep, and Zito is tipping his pitches, for sure. Kruk has turned into an excuse machine, other than when Belt does something…

  19. PawlieKokonuts said, on June 28, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    I’m going back into my hole. Subterranean Losingstreak Blues.

    • xoot said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:23 pm

      light yourself a candle

  20. Flavor said, on June 28, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    The “tipping pitches” excuse is definitely stupid. But if we don’t score we don’t win and Zito could hollar the pitch to the batter before he throws it– no diff to the ultimate outcome

  21. snarkk said, on June 28, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    I will say this, regardless of what Zito does the rest of this game, the rest of the season, and playoffs, if they happen. I don’t want his Zen ass back next year. Under any circumstance. I don’t care if he volunteers to pitch for FREE. I am just tired of this bullshit. The year-long first innings. The walks. The back to back HRs. Hell, after the first homer to Cudyer, I went to the WC, I come back, somebody else has already hit another HR and there’s a guy on 2nd! Keereist. The common, precarious save of an inning with a line out. The giving up of a new lead in the immediate next half of the inning. I am sick and tired of all this shit in what — a 6th year now? Get somebody else. Anybody else. Seriously. He needs to leave while we can still excuse all the bullshit with his 2012 playoff performance. I am already looking forward to a 2014 Zito-less season…

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:11 pm

      Unfortunately, your description has extended to other pitchers well beyond Zito this year all too frequently. Back underground. I’m out. Unless we rise to glory.

    • twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:12 pm

      He has zero chance for 200 innings ( I could explain why but it’s pretty easy to figure ) so unless he’s willing to apply his buy out to his 2014 salary ( I don’t know if that’s even allowed), he’s gone.

    • Flavor said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:15 pm

      well, he was important to 2012 for the entire year, too, not just the playoffs. Timmy has won 27 games the last 2.5 seasons, Zito’s won 22.
      No one is saying Zito is a #1 or #2 but we saw what happened to our pitching staff this year when Voggy went down and the replacements were nowhere…..
      We don’t win the world series in 2012 without Zito’s total contribution in 2012 and the postseason. That goes a long, LONG way with me.
      I do see where you are coming from Snarkk, it’s been a lot of the same shit over the duration of his stay, and I’m fine with him going elsewhere (as I am with all our FA’s) as long as we have someone to replace 22 wins over the course of 2.5 seasons. It’s a #4 or so, I get it, but who is that gonna be?
      Answer from you: Anybody.
      And like I said, I get where you are coming from….

      • PawlieKokonuts said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:24 pm

        Zito redeemed himself in my eyes last year. I have no animus against Zito. I like him. That doesn’t mean I want him back or anything like that. I understand all that. But it sometimes bothers me that Giants fans treat Barry Zito the way Yankees fans treat Alex Rodriguez, ONLY because they are so highly paid. It is so tiresome. Anyone here would sign on the line if offered the dough. I do not single Zito out. The Giants are playing poorly. Very poorly. As a team. And all the parts are underperforming in one way or another at one point or another.

      • twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:29 pm

        Serious question for Craig: why does Zito get the slack that you don’t give others who we would not won TWO WS without?

      • Flavor said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:38 pm

        For a lot of reasons. Pitchers are more critical to the game they are pitching than the collective hitters in the same game. I like guys who don’t shitcan their careers after getting 100+ mil and sucking. He could easily have ridden off into the sunset. And he’s a very cool dude, does lots of work for the troops, he’s from Ca from a good family….there are a ton of reasons.

      • twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:43 pm

        What about Lincecum? And how could Zito ride off into the sunset without forfeiting his pay?

      • Flavor said, on June 28, 2013 at 9:21 pm

        Zito could have easily pulled a *Mike Hampton* or a *Denny Naegle* or a *Kevin Brown*…the list goes on and on when it comes to dumbshit contracts handed out to pitchers for what the back of their baseball card says they did.
        My point is, he worked hard to make it right. It never got perfect, but money didn’t make him complacent to just sit on the bench and spit seeds. Anyone with a half-objective look at Zito can see that he cares about his trade, he tries his ass off, and he righted the sinking ship. I respect that. You don’t. I get it, we’ve been round and round with this forever. Neither one of us will ever change our mind or see the other’s perspective on Zito. So how bout a new topic?

      • twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 10:57 pm

        I didn’t bring him up, I really don’t that much, certainly I’d never dare make a post like Snarkk’s. Hampton busted his ass to try to come back, BTW.

  22. snarkk said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    I’m hoping for a comeback tonight, but it doesn’t look good. This roadie is looking like it’s turning into a pure clusterfuck. Gnight folks…

    • James said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:08 pm

      After a few glasses of Vouvray on the deck, i hope you return, Snarkk

      • Flavor said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:16 pm

        haha, totally. I bet some deep shit gets thought out on that deck as the sun (and the Vouvray) goes down….

    • snarkk said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:39 pm

      You guys are fuckin’ killing me.
      Yes, I went out on the deck, but I’m not drinking any stinkin’ Vouvray tonite. Not after this bullshit.
      I came in for my second tall homemade limeade with Sauza Commemorativo and Gran Marnier kicker. I’m calling it the “Fuck Zito”. And Mrs. Snarkk just informs by phone that the older Snarkette has been evaluated by the orthodontist — the program begins next month for $6000 over the next two years, not to mention some extractions first by the oral surgeon for $1500. Keereist.
      I’m heading for a third “Forget Zito” in about 15 minutes… 😉

  23. James said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    I apologize in advance for this drier-than-my-Friday-night Martini post, but it is absolutely crucial that certain fundamental misconceptions are addressed — who knows what the consequences might be if they are allowed to linger?

    “Yeah, Cain and Vogie allowed a lot of runs earlier in the season, which would largely explain the negative run differential year-to-date, but I don’t see how that’s to blame for the current sub-.500 record.”

    Paul, if the Giants were now at 296 runs allowed this year, with the same number of runs scored (326), they would very likely be at least a few games over 500, around 42-36. They would have to be pretty damn unlucky to be below 500 with that differential. Statistically, it would also be very unlikely for them to be at 500 or above with the negative 20 run differential they now sport. If the established trends continue to the end of the season, it would be even more unlikely for the team to be at or above 500 (with a negative 40 run differential). Of course, there were those 2005 Padres http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SDP/2005.shtml 🙂

    But then there is the universe of Yogi-metrics to consider, where you could win 162 one run ball games, if only the pitchers always “did their jobs.”

    Obviously, Zito and Timmy have not pitched well this year, either. I picked on Cain and Vogelsong because their numbers are so dramatically different from what was expected.

    Salty, re Sabes, I suspect that he is the source of the Belt critiques. Can’t prove it, of course, but I really dislike impressionistic evaluations that unfairly mark certain players.

  24. PawlieKokonuts said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    One more last thing, Columbo-style: NOLASCO IS GETTING POUNDED TO SMITHEREENS TONIGHT.

    • Flavor said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:17 pm

      well now we know why the Marlins were so *desperate* to get rid of him, lol

  25. Macdog said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    4 ER in 5 1/3 IP, that should lower Zito’s road ERA. I’m trying to be a glass-half-full kind of guy.

  26. James said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    One of those shitty opposite field doubles for Belt.

  27. Nipper said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    What’s the most interesting man in the world doing? We all know what the Giants are doing.

  28. twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    Justin Miller has been found dead.

    • zumiee said, on June 28, 2013 at 8:04 pm

      Sad news. If you see the follow-up to that, please post it. I wonder what happened to him.

      • twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 8:16 pm

        His wife said this, it made me quite sad
        “”I think he’d want the world to know that he always did his best at work and at being a dad,” she said. “He always tried.”

    • snarkk said, on June 28, 2013 at 9:45 pm

      I must be going to the dogs. I have no recollection at all of Miller playing with the Gyros…

      • twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 10:24 pm

        Besides his tats, he was probably most known for a horiffic two nights in Colorado in 2009. He was the dude who loaded the bases in the bottom of the 14th after we had taken the lead in the top of the inning. Merkin came on to give up the slam to Spilborghs..
        But he actually had a nice year, he and Medders were surprises in relief in 2009…
        Justin was just 35 and leaves his wife and 2 young sons. R.I.P.


  29. zumiee said, on June 28, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    It turns out that the Mantle situation was complicated, in that there was so much flack toward the military for not drafting him, even for having osteomyelitis, that the military changed its rule in 1953, and said that a person had to have been treated for the disease in the last two previous years.
    So, the military had him come in again for a physical, sometime in 1953. But it was a moot point by then; the degeneration his knee had suffered since the 1951 injury was well within the exemption status. Mantle had blown out his knee in ’51, but didn’t have surgery until late in the year in ’53. And of course, knee surgery and rehabilitation was a crap-shoot in those days.

    • James said, on June 28, 2013 at 8:20 pm

      I almost brought up Mantle during the last “greatest of all time” discussion. He would be my call.

      • zumiee said, on June 28, 2013 at 8:25 pm

        He had an amazing career, and so much of it was with a bad knee, and other injuries.

      • twinfan1 said, on June 28, 2013 at 9:00 pm

        He would have been even better were it not for his alcoholism that eventually led to his early death.His years after baseball were indescribably sad.. But man, I saw him in the his prime in the 60′ WS and what a player he was….

    • xoot said, on June 28, 2013 at 9:50 pm

      He was my favorite player when I was a very young kid. Somehow I knew Mays was better, but I didn’t want to hear about it. I was aware of the following-Dimaggio cloud and of the bone disease he caught after playing HS football; and, of course, the knee ruined by a cleat caught in an OF sprinkler device.

      At times, when he’s dead pulling a pitch to LF, Posey’s swing resembles Mantle’s from the right side.

  30. zumiee said, on June 28, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    3 games under .500, and still only 3 1/2 games out of firstplace. What happened to this division?!

    The Dodgers are losing 8-0 so far tonight. Sweet.

  31. sportdude said, on June 28, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    Anyone note that Nate Shierholtz has more homers than Posey, Panda, and the whole team except Pence? Good for him:) Man we are sucking!

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