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White House Photo and Bee Wheezy in Dodger Blue

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 30, 2013

I got a huge kick out of this photo:



When you take a photo like this everyone is assigned a spot. Who’s idea was it to have Tanaka, Frenchie and Abreu front and center? Hilarious.

Bee Wheezy is likely signing with the Dodgers. Question: Does that bother anybody? Also, I can’t believe he’d go their as a closer, Jansen has been spectacular as the closer. Would he go there as a set up guy?

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  1. blade3colorado said, on July 30, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Yeah, that is unbelievable these “chumps” are front and center. Perhaps a joke by Sabean?

    Ironically, snarkk and I were just discussing that “Bee Wheezy” possibility. Me? I doubt he would sign with them for the very reason you also cited (Jansen).

  2. Flavor said, on July 30, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Would it make sense for Texas to trade Nathan and then sign Wilson to close? I’m sure that’s not something that’s happening but if Texas is serious about trading Nathan then it would be an easy job to fill by signing Wheezy.

    • blade3colorado said, on July 30, 2013 at 11:21 am

      You’re actually right about Texas wanting to possibly get rid of Nathan. I read that today. I think their plan to trade Nathan is ludicrous. Who closes? The article I read said Joakim Soria might be in line for saves if Nathan is traded. Nathan has been very reliable in my opinion.

  3. SanDawg said, on July 30, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Great pic, and that IS hilarious having those 3 dudes in prominent spots.
    I’m happy for Wilson if he makes it back to the bigs. Still remains to be seen if he can be effective. I’m not optimistic about that. Going to the Dogs doesn’t bug me as much as it seems like it should.
    Obviously I was kidding about not knowing how the Giants did while I was on the road, but it does seem like a blessing that I didn’t have to endure the games and just checked scores every once in a while.
    THANK you to WillieD for pointing out to everyone who wants to run Pablo, Timmy, and others out of town, that you have to consider replacements as part of the process. I for one clearly remember what it was like having Jose Castillo at 3rd base and I’m in no hurry to relive that nightmare. I don’t want to see Pablo go anywhere until we have someone in the fold who can give us more from that position than he can.
    Also got a big kick out of the Halicki doubleheader thread. I thought it was cool that Jesus Alou played for the Mets that day and also was amused to see Steve Ontiveros played right field in one of the games for the Giants. I guess we had to find a way to get Bruce Miller’s bat in the line-up!

  4. SanDawg said, on July 30, 2013 at 11:28 am

    ..and thanks to Blade and others for the tips about Lassen Park. One thing I failed to mention was that we were committed to driving from Redding to Tahoe in one day, so there wasn’t a lot of time to stop and smell the pot plants along the way. At any rate, we did take 44 to 89 and went through Lassen on our way to the lake. We stopped at the trailhead for the route to Lassen summit (where there was snow on the ground after being in 110 degree Redding heat the day before), and also checked out some bubbling sulphur pots at “Bumpass Hell” as well as an awesome huge meadow with a cool stream zig-zagging through it with several deer around. The teens even put down their phones and enjoyed the scenery. We also took 395 home from Tahoe, which was a first for me and a really cool drive. And the Windstar held up like a champ through it all!

    • blade3colorado said, on July 30, 2013 at 11:34 am

      De nada Dawg . . . Quite cool that you were able to take the scenic view to Lassen and Tahoe, coupled with the new route home on 395. I hate boring drives (U.S. 25 into Wyoming, U.S. 80 from Nevada to Colorado).

  5. snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 11:35 am

    I noticed Gaudin was in the front row yesterday, about 3 or 4 guys beyond the left edge of this photo. How did HE get into the front? How many guys in this photo will be with the Gigantes next season?…

  6. snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Tweetosphere now saying Wilson WILL sign with Dodgers today. Start in minors, then up soon if all goes well. I want to know how much and how long. Probably crazy $ and 2 years for a guy with a suspect arm. Apparently, with this cable deal in La La Land, the cash well down there is not running dry anytime soon. Meanwhile, we can’t hit, but we’re signing 29 year old AAA pitcher dudes named Morocco or something that the juggernaut Cubs consider expendable…

  7. dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 30, 2013 at 11:43 am

    MLBTR reports that its a done deal with Wilson and the dodgers. I feel like I should be mad but I’m not. Dude’s arm is toast. Maybe the beard gets a reality show.

  8. SanDawg said, on July 30, 2013 at 11:47 am

    It was also good to see Willie Mays at the White House gathering rocking his non-denominational Giants cap as usual.

  9. snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    There has to be at least some portion of the Wilson signing that is an “in your face” motivation for LA towards the Giants. I like that aspect of it. Bring this rivalry back. LA is spitting in SFs face, to some extent. This is great, IMO, because Giants fans are going to be more motivated to be critical of Giants management now, and raise expectations, as they should for a two-time WS champ team. Next year will be another year removed from the 2012 title. Basking will recede. So, the fanbase and particularly season tix holders, won’t stand much longer for using a garden hose to fight a southland juggernaut wildfire, burning money to get FAs and develop a top notch international farm organization. No more AAAA patch jobs like Torres/Blanco/Perez/Francouer, etc. LA will compete for virtually every FA worth a damn that can help a need. And, according to Kasten, they are really pouring dough into their international scouting and player development infrastructure. That is the scariest thing of all, IMO. More Puig-types that they will self-find and develop, costing relatively little, mean more dough to blow on FAs that fix a need. And, they’re going to continue to rehab Dodger Stadium. The Dodgers have declared all out war for the Division over the next decade. Baer and Co. need to step it up to keep up…

    • chipower9 said, on July 30, 2013 at 12:24 pm

      Ya know snarkk, I agree with much of what you say. And you have some insightful posts, but I’m not tracking with the “because Giants fans are going to be more motivated to be critical of Giants management now” comment. If you look at the full body of work that Sabean, Tidrow and Evans have done over the years, I would not trade them for any other front office crew in the bigs. So you and I will have to agree to disagree on this one.

      And it sounds like I am in the minority, but yeah, for some reason Wilson going to the Bums is a bit of a thorn in my side. I really feel that maybe Wilson could provide a spark that has been missing the last couple of months. I’ll be happy for him if he makes it back to the bigs, but if it IS with the Bums, I hope he fucking fails miserably. I appreciate all he did for our club, but the way he was all butt hurt how the deal with the Giants went down and he got to sit on his ass for a year and collect some major coin, and then he makes is sound like the Giants dissed his ass…all I can say is “fuck him.”

      • denniszu said, on July 30, 2013 at 12:35 pm

        Yeah, I guess he’s re energizing his Hollywood image……

    • denniszu said, on July 30, 2013 at 12:26 pm

      Totally agree with you on the side effect of Wilson action. A great motivator for the Giants.. right-on…..
      I realize business is business; but if the Giants behind the scene made him an offer, it is even a little
      more irritating that he would go with the Dodgers…

    • wswins said, on July 30, 2013 at 12:30 pm

      It’s posts like that that made me stop coming around…The typical Giants fan, nothing is good enough for them, always bitching about something. I for one, could never be upset at them after winning it all in 2010. ’12 was icing on a cake that will never go stale.

      Basking? Yes. A lifetime’s worth.

      • chipower9 said, on July 30, 2013 at 12:56 pm

        You used to post here (and the Splash) as wswinb4igo (or something like that), right?

      • snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:04 pm

        Dude, if you’re talking about my post, I’ve got news. I’ve been a Giants fan since the mid ’60s. Never a fan of any other baseball squad. Like Oracle, like Chuck, and others, I was a fan and stayed a fan when they were shit for DECADES. I didn’t give up on them then, and not now. Not ever. Nobody parachutes in here to tell me I’m a “typical” bitching Giants fan, and gets away without a reply. Baer loves fans like you. Win once, you’re good to go for a lifetime of following mediocrity. Hell, don’t win at all, you’re satisfied with coming out to a great ballpark and getting a tan — like six generations of Old Style swilling, winless Cubs fans. I’m overjoyed the Giants won the first, let alone the second title. Yeah, I can now die basking in not one, but two championships. That’s great. But, that disables me from being ticked when they suck? Really? When they play like a POS 1985 redux — I should be OK with it? Were you satisfied with 1985? Were you a Giants fan then? You’re satisfied that the GM of a reigning WS champ team that is printing money hand over fist puts out garbage bin castoffs like Francouer to START? You’re satisfied that this team has the worst record of any MLB team since May and is in the middle of one of the most stupifying falls from grace in recent pro sports memory? If you are satsified with all that, you’re not a baseball fan — you’re a chump satisfied with a life without challenge or accomplishment…

      • wswins said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:14 pm

        “dude” you know I was talking ’bout you and your comment. And about your slam…

        “If you are satsified with all that, you’re not a baseball fan — you’re a chump satisfied with a life without challenge or accomplishment…”

        A comment like that shows that YOUR life has no accomplishment. It depends on the success of a ball club. I used to be like that until they won it and showed me there’s much more to life than living and dying with them. They don’t live and die for me, and certainly not you.

      • snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:20 pm

        Whoever you are, you’re the one that parachuted in and started slamming out of the blue. So, don’t feign innocence when you get slammed back in return. I can take shit from and give shit to the regulars here. I won’t take shit from a parachutist. Knock yourself out on basking with Baer for the rest of your life. I want another championship, because they’re FUN. If you don’t give a crap about getting another one, go to the Cubs blogs and start stirring up some shit there. God knows, they need some of that…

      • chipower9 said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:24 pm

        You know what…IMO there is not a right or a wrong on this one. Each fan has their own expectations as to what will satisfy them in regards to their team. If wswin is good to go after the team won two titles, good on him. I don’t think it makes him less a fan, and your expectations for the team, I do not think makes you more a fan. You two just have different expectations.

        I have been a fan since ’77 (when I landed in California with the Air Force). And no, I did not give up on them in ’85 or any other year when they sucked-ass (rocked my standard Giant hat EVERY day) and got tons of shit for it). But they were my team and will always be my team.

        This latest example of our team struggling is again, to me, 99% on the players. Sabean built the team that Bochy and crew wanted, and they have not gotten it done over the past two months. To me, that is on the players…not Baer, not Sabean, not Tidrow or Evans. The players need to sack-up and play decent fucking baseball.

      • blade3colorado said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:36 pm

        wswins, I’m surprised by your comment. You didn’t post much around here, but what you did post was topical and insightful. Consequently, I am surprised by you slamming Tom (snarkk). Perhaps more important, you indicated that this was the type of post that made you stop coming around. Say what? This last part I absolutely don’t get because a sports blog is supposed to generate discussion, where respectful disagreement is key to making the blog successful and interesting. You can do what you want, but in my opinion, I think you owe Tom an apology. ‘Nuff said on my part . . .

      • snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:40 pm

        Chi, I can argue with you and anybody else on here about anything Giants, and it’s all good. Regulars or not. We can agree to disagree. But in the end, we don’t question our bona fides as Giants fans. So, one thing I will not tolerate from anyone, let alone some unknown dickwad parachutist who self-admits he doesn’t post here, is essentially being accused of not being a Giants fan because I criticize the team or management. Which is what his parachuting insult was about. I will put my loyalty as a Giants fan up against anyone’s, through thick and thin for well over 40 years, mostly thin. When that loyalty is questioned by some drive-by poster, I will not let that go…

      • Chico said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:47 pm

        I don’t know Snarkk personally, but reading his comments here, on Chuck’s blog, Blade’s blog and another place over the years leads to believe that he’s had a successful life. I don’t disagree with your ‘stand-pat’ views, and we have had great success and I’ll be satisfied for a while. On the other hand, I don’t disagree with Snarkk’s position of not accepting mediocrity.. If we all thought the same, there would be nothing to talk about. But you did jump his shit, and that isn’t right.

    • xoot said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:13 pm

      The luxury tax (or “competitive balance tax”) will hit them hard next year and harder the year after that, I believe, as it ratchets up significantly for successive excesses. The bums payroll this year is about $216M, although I think it’s growing as we type. The threshold is $178M this year and $189M per year through 2016. This year they only pay 20% of the excess; in the following years they’ll pay 30%, 40% and 50%, respectively. If a few of the players signed to long-term deals sit out a while with injuries (Kemp, AGon, Crawford, Grienke, and Ethier are all signed past 2016; HanRam through 2014), replacements will be necessary, and the price of burning money could engulf that big tv/cable deal that’s collateral for everything now.

      • snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:57 pm

        Good info, xoot. Maybe the profligate spending will be reigned in to some extent. The thing that worries me more is the re-focusing and investment of lots of dough into international scouting and development. Kasten specifically said that; it will return dividends. The McCourt era did not emphasize that part of the organization…

  10. Alleykat said, on July 30, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Beard will start out in th minors.Pitch some more innings then get called up as setup.guy.
    Tells you how little faith they have in sigining.”Gas Can Marmol”.LOL.
    On that one…

  11. twinfan1 said, on July 30, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    1. Andres Torres (S) CF

    2. Marco Scutaro (R) 2B

    3. Pablo Sandoval (S) 3B

    4. Buster Posey (R) C

    5. Hunter Pence (R) RF

    6. Jeff Francoeur (R) LF

    7. Brett Pill (R) 1B

    8. Brandon Crawford (L) SS

    9. Barry Zito (L) P

    • blade3colorado said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:25 pm

      Twin, how are you?

      • twinfan1 said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:50 pm

        Down to “cut and paste” for now. Hands very bad.

      • blade3colorado said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:52 pm

        Does the Tablet help with the touch screen?

      • twinfan1 said, on July 30, 2013 at 2:01 pm

        Big mistake. Took me an HOUR to do a user name and password for Google Play. I’m getting a stylus and a stand w/keyboard.

      • blade3colorado said, on July 30, 2013 at 2:10 pm

        I had really good luck with the Zaggs keyboard that you recommended. You rarely have to charge it (every 2-3 weeks or so).

      • snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 2:06 pm

        Hey Oracle. Now I can rip your ass right and left and “bitch” all I want about Sabean and beer prices and Torres and everything, and you’ll only be able to respond to me once in a while until you improve. That would be fantastic! Not. Get better…

      • twinfan1 said, on July 30, 2013 at 2:56 pm

        Just hope to not get worse. I’m out for the day.

  12. chipower9 said, on July 30, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    It’s official:


    Wilson will be rocking the hated Blue…

    • blade3colorado said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:22 pm

      Chi, you’re not in the “minority” at least with regard to my opinion . . . Like you, I would have been all right with Brian having a successful comeback, unless he was pitching against us on any given day. In that case, I would just root against him. However, he joined the Bums . . . He is with the enemy, so fuck him. I also hope he fails miserably. The only way this “fence” is mended, is if he retires, plays for someone else outside our division, or signs with the Giants again. For now, he is persona non grata.

      • chipower9 said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:31 pm

        Well said, my friend. Looking forward to seeing you at the Orange Sombrero Flapalloza (you are coming out, right?).

      • blade3colorado said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:36 pm

        Wouldn’t miss it for the world Chi. 🙂

      • snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 2:14 pm

        I’m ambivalent, at best, about the Beard in LA. The Giants could have signed him. They didn’t. Rags and Billy Hayes, the BP catcher, were out at USF and saw him pitch first hand. The result was apparently “eh, whatever”. I’m ok with that. He’ll always have a special place on that 2010 team. The Ryan Howard final K in Philly, a moment frozen in time for me. Probably better he doesn’t come back here — there’s a good chance he’d fuzz up the great memories with current stuff not so good…

  13. Irish Kevin said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    I could careless where Wilson lands. @Sandawg, so there were no fires in the area for you to smell the sweet smell of a successfull pot farmer??

  14. Chico said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Yeah, whoever was in charge of player positioning in that photo bombed.. Still, an honor to be at the white house getting acknowledged for their accomplishments. Every thread on this yesterday, was fucking political – I read the last thread on the Flap late last night – kudos for you all not going there. Speaks volumes about Flappers.

    • snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:47 pm

      Yeah, Chico, I read some of the commentary on other sites about the visit. The rips on Obama, Pelosi, whoever else — really lame. The focus was obviously on celebrating the accomplishment. It matters not to me who is the President at the time the Giants get the accolades, it’s that they get them. Going political on such an occasion is just juvenile BS…

  15. chipower9 said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Going back to other players wearing the hated Blue and the talk of Marichal on the last thread. Fuck, he did finish with the Bums in 1975. 2 games , both starts, 6 IP, 11 H, 9 ER, 2 HR, 5 BB, 1 K, 13.50 ERA, 2.667 WHIP. What a sad end for one of the all-time Giant greats.

  16. unca_chuck said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Yeah, I did not remember Marichal with the Dogs. Musta erased that from my memory banks. I vaguely remember him with the Red Sox for one year.

    • snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:49 pm

      Yeah, I remember seeing pics of him in Dodger Blue, that’s why it jogged my memory and I brought it up in the last thread. It was weird, but mercifully a short stint. He was done.
      But, who am I to know any of that shit? I’m just a typical “bitching” Giants fan…

  17. unca_chuck said, on July 30, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Shit, we don’t play the Dogs til Sept 12-15th in lalala . . . Can we mount the stupendous comeback? All we need to do is reel off 10 in a row. . . . and then see what’s up.

  18. zumiee said, on July 30, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    Snarkk, I hear what you’re saying, but only to a point. The idea that “if the fans won’t stand for such and such, the team will do something” seems very East Coast fan mindset to me, and I’m not a big fan of East Coast fandom, where a favorite player gets booed for striking out earlier in the game, and then gets cheered later in the game for doing something positive. I like the fact that Timmy still got cheers and applause from Giants fans when he came off the field after that bad game he pitched after the no-hitter.
    Sabean, Bochy, and the team are not having a good season, and I’m very disappointed, but I’m not going to go hair-on-fire about it. I can walk into the room in my house that I use for an office and look at the 3′ X 5′ Giants championship banner I have on the wall, and feel pretty darned satisfied.
    I’ve given Sabean some criticism at the Flap for acting so passive this season, but I can also see the point that it’s hard to blame Sabean for the fact that Pablo hasn’t hit a homerun in over a month.
    That’s all just my opinion. I respect everyone’s opinion here.

    • snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 2:48 pm

      I know I’m a critic of management compared to most here. It’s cool with me that many here disagree with me. It’s a matter of opinion, that’s why we’re here. I don’t do it for effect, I’ve always been that way in many things, not just fairly unimportant stuff like rooting for the Giants. In a way, I’m amazed I’ve been a Giants fan all my life, since their lack of success for most of my years as a fan would be a great reason to have bailed on ’em long ago. I never did. Which made the 2010 success so sweet. I respect everybody’s opinion here, as long as they respect mine. However, with regard to views like the first post above of “WSWins”, I subscribe to what Dusty said once, if not often: “We don’t start nothin’, but we don’t take nothin’, either”…

      • zumiee said, on July 30, 2013 at 2:57 pm

        I’m a big Snarkk fan. It’s cool that we’re not all the same here. The Flap is more interesting for the different styles here. You and I agree on a lot of things about the Giants, though.

    • twinfan1 said, on July 30, 2013 at 2:51 pm

      Z: Close. He hit a HR July 11, and leads the team in RBI this month. Faint praise perhaps, but worth noting.

      • zumiee said, on July 30, 2013 at 2:59 pm

        Thanks for the correction; and I didn’t mean to sound like I was picking on the Panda in particular. There are a LOT of Giants under-achieving this season. I could have mentioned the Pence Dribblers, for instance.

      • twinfan1 said, on July 30, 2013 at 3:03 pm

        No prob.

      • chipower9 said, on July 30, 2013 at 3:37 pm

        I love it when you inject something like this Twin.

  19. zumiee said, on July 30, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    I’m in the camp that’s happy to see Wilson pitch again, even if it’s for the Dodgers. He gave his arm helping the Giants win the title in 2010, and he deserves a chance to pitch again. The Dodgers obviously have a huge need in middle relief if they’re giving Marmol a look. Wilson has a role there if he wants it, and wants to be on a playoff team this season.

  20. zumiee said, on July 30, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    I could be totally wrong, but I think Tanaka was put into that prime photo-op spot to help the photo look even more multi-cultural.

  21. twinfan1 said, on July 30, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Enjoy the game.

    • zumiee said, on July 30, 2013 at 3:03 pm

      You, too. And for better or worse, the Dodger/Yankee game later could be interesting, also. It’s still about enjoying baseball. Hopefully the Giants get the season turned around, starting tonight.

  22. salty said, on July 30, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Wilson doesn’t surprise me one bit. As soon as they non tendered him I thought his sole motivation was to come back and fuck them. He never wanted to sign here. That thing with Rags was just them giving him some friendly feedback.

    • zumiee said, on July 30, 2013 at 3:06 pm

      Well, Schierholz and Wheeler have already done it to the Giants this season, why not Wilson, too? 🙂

  23. salty said, on July 30, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    As for giants org settling for mediocrity, I don’t get that. They are 6th in payroll. They just played out 300m to tie up Cain and Posey. They have spent millions on kids in the Dominican. Will they try and spend like the doogers, the team we all call the west coast Yankees and hate for their profligate ways? Hell, no. That would be foolish. The A’s are proof there’s a another way.

    • salty said, on July 30, 2013 at 3:10 pm

      Laid out

    • salty said, on July 30, 2013 at 3:14 pm

      The fault if you are going to rip them lies in their drafting and development. They had a great run but too many of these kids stalled. I expect they will take a close look at their scouting and minor league instruction.

      • snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 3:44 pm


    • blade3colorado said, on July 30, 2013 at 5:59 pm

      Good post. I agree.

      • blade3colorado said, on July 30, 2013 at 6:00 pm

        I meant your 3:08pm Salty.

  24. snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Zumiee, on your 2:57, I really enjoy the bloggers here. For the most part. I’ve learned a ton reading all these views and ideas and memories of guys from different places in life, Giants-related and otherwise. I’ve learned a lot about baseball from Oracle and BF and James and all the other guys who really follow the stats and analytical stuff. I thought I knew a lot about baseball, but I learn something new, and new ways to look at how the game is played, all the time from guys on this blog. Xoot drops some really good knowledge on the salary tax out of the blue. All of it is cool. The best thing is the camaraderie in loving the Giants, though it comes out in different ways, from different directions. The stories, the frustrations, the joys, the family stuff. That’s why I got so hacked off up above. I felt like my Giants fan bona fides were questioned. Nevertheless, I apologize to the blog for getting so hacked off. I will attempt to excuse the tirade from also being just pissed off, too, about how badly we’re going. It reminds me of the bad ‘ol days of the ’70s…

    • chipower9 said, on July 30, 2013 at 3:41 pm

      I am with you, snarkk. I love this place for all the reasons you mention. I am really hoping there is a good turnout for the Flapalooza Orange Sombrero night…the more Flappers I can meet in person and tilt a cold one with, the better.

  25. unca_chuck said, on July 30, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Well, they can aspire to be the West Coast Red Sox . . . The team may not be as broken as it seems, but there will be a shitload of changes come this offseason. TImmy and Pence are the biggest questions, mainly because they’ll both likely be gone after this season, unless the G’s do something. If they go,then what?

    • snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 3:36 pm

      Then what? It would be nice to watch the Niners march to another Super Bowl appearance…

    • chipower9 said, on July 30, 2013 at 3:55 pm

      I disagree on Pence. He has openly stated he loves playing here and wants to stay. I think he will be back. I don’t think Sabes and crew have any desire to shop for TWO OFers in the off-season. Tim is a bigger question mark to me.

  26. PawlieKokonuts said, on July 30, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    As for the frah-cah — as the Brits say — above between Snarkk and Wswins, I tend to agree with Chipower’s comment, namely, it need not be either/or but can be both/and. (BTW, I do not think ANYONE should cast doubts on someone’s bona fides as a Giants fan. Period.) Not many here have been a Giants fan longer than I have: since 1955. You all know me and my takes. I’m just a fan. Something happened TO ME after 2010, a redemption of sorts. No, a liberation. I do not ever have to feel the ache, the absence, the hollow hunger I felt in all those years before then as a New York/San Francisco Giants fan. Am I now sated? No. I am not. Am I less of a Giants fan now because of two rings? No. As I am trying to say in a book-length memoir, I would flat-out lose any competition regarding Giants fandom, whether it be stats, game or player knowledge, memories, history, big moments, stars, games watched on TV/radio/in person, anything. I’m me. It’s my story. And I get disappointed when we snipe at each other. But that happens in families, too, in real life. And after all is said and done, we are a family. Go, Giants! I love this place and you folks.

  27. Flavor said, on July 30, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    I’m not too worked up about Wheezy joining the Dodgers. He lives down there, he’s not petty enough to go there to try to screw us. His twitter goodbye was classy. And really, how much could a set up guy with 2 TJ surgeries really do to us?

    • salty said, on July 30, 2013 at 4:29 pm

      True. Being 10 back is a problem. I still think there was some I’ll prove them wrong there.

  28. salty said, on July 30, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    35 and counting. What happened to the postseason/April Zito?

  29. Flavor said, on July 30, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Zito is gonna get pulled in inning1 just due to the pitch count

  30. Macdog said, on July 30, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    A 45-pitch inning. There’s a reason I’m waiting until Thursday to go see the Giants.

  31. unca_chuck said, on July 30, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    I guess it’ll matter to me how QWeezy plays out in LA. If he pulls a Brett Butler and starts proclaiming “I’ve always dreamed of being a Dodger” I’d probably get pissed off. Othet than that, I’ll not root for him when he faces us. Other than that? I don’t really care. He’s a set-up guy, for God’s sake. Not too much to get worked up about.

  32. Macdog said, on July 30, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    I put the Mets on during the break. How’s this for a contrast: Wheeler’s thrown 4 balls total in 3 innings vs. the Marlins.

  33. zumiee said, on July 30, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    What’s up with Buster not starting tonight?

    • zumiee said, on July 30, 2013 at 5:06 pm

      Ah, he’s got the flu, I just read.

  34. Flavor said, on July 30, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    I quickly scanned this thread, but I totally support Snarkk’s response to wswin. If the Giants won 10 straight WS’s and then turned into this, any true fan of the team is entitled to question the current product. The only thing winning in 2010/2012 has done for me is make it a little easier to tolerate years like this. But I want to win one every year. I’m pretty sure Snarkk does too. And this place rates about a 3 (of 10) compared to other sf blogs and the visceral vitriol spewed out by fellow irate SF Giants fans.

    • zumiee said, on July 30, 2013 at 5:19 pm

      I can see that, but there are going to be down years, and rebuilding years. The Red Sox did a remarkable thing last year by taking some steps that seemed going backward, but paid off for this year.
      This year is surprising for being a down year. And it hasn’t been a rebuilding year either. That’s what’s so frustrating about this season. It’s been a ????? season.

  35. zumiee said, on July 30, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    I’m not as gung-ho about re-signing Pence. If they re-sign him, fine, but it’s not an exciting thing, IMO.
    He’ll always be one of the heroes of 2012, but he seems to be digressing.

    • Flavor said, on July 30, 2013 at 5:29 pm

      Agreed. 60 mil for Pence? That’s Rowand Redux

  36. Flavor said, on July 30, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    Finally… Moscoso Tiempo!

  37. Flavor said, on July 30, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    I’m thinking Moscoso Tiempo does not need an exclamation point

  38. snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    I have a feeling Bochy has lost patience with Zito these days. After 6 years, he’s seen the drill before, and he’s probably tired of it…

  39. blade3colorado said, on July 30, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    More of the same. Sigh.

  40. Macdog said, on July 30, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Leadoff walk to the pitcher and a hit-me gopher ball. I think I’ve seen enough of Tiempo time.

  41. unca_chuck said, on July 30, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Bleeh. This team is boring and shitty

  42. unca_chuck said, on July 30, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    If they ain’t gonna fucking care, then I won’t either.

    • snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 6:17 pm

      Watch it. Quitcher bitchin’… 😉

  43. unca_chuck said, on July 30, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    It’s either overpay for Pence, or let Peguero flail? Ahhhhhhhh, getting tired of this team looking so flat. Outpitched by everyone. Outhit by everyone. Outplayed by everyone

  44. snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    I recommend extreme caution picking up ex Cubs and ex Cubs farmhands. Especially when they come directly from the Cubs with no intermediate team in between. The Cubs taint is hard to remove…

  45. blade3colorado said, on July 30, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    Phils announcers are chatting about Posey not feeling well . . . Who would with this clusterfuck to look forward to?

    • snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 6:19 pm

      If I’m a Giant, anytime Zito pitches on the road I’d get pre-game nausea, too…

  46. snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    At this rate, maybe we should hold the Flapalooza offsite ATT.
    At least at a strip club, we’re going to see a stronger lineup…

  47. blade3colorado said, on July 30, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    I’m going to take a new tact – the power of negative thinking. My theory is that whatever I want, the baseball Gods will deny. So, I will continue to bash the Giants ala my “Sicilian strategy.”

  48. snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    One good thing about the Gyros sucking early in the eastern time zone. I get to my Makers earlier…

  49. Flavor said, on July 30, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Someone armed with both sanity and a conscious needs to pull the rip cord on Frenchie NOW

  50. Flavor said, on July 30, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    The number of players that Krukow thinks are gonna manage one day…well, someone should tell him how many teams there are in the league

  51. Flavor said, on July 30, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Pill, Quiroz, Blanco….ugh

  52. blade3colorado said, on July 30, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    While the Giants are floundering this evening, you may want to check out this article . . .


    It is quite interesting on a number of levels; such as why the Dodgers are able to have the payroll they have now; why your cable or satellite bill is so high; why you can’t order “ala carte” programming from Comcast, DirectTv, etc.; and, the reason why you are paying for sports programming you will never watch and/or are not interested in. However, this situation is coming to a head, i.e., television viewers are “cutting the cord” more and more . . . Consequently, your cable or satellite bill may go down in the future if a “critical mass” of viewers “cut the cord.”

  53. snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    I’ll venture to say it. Seems to me the Giants look like they’re pretty OK with losing. They can say they’re not. They can say you look like you don’t care when you’re not hitting, not scoring. Fair enough. But, still. There’s no energy, not much backbone. They get down, and it’s belly up time. This has been going on far too long to ignore. They look like they expect to lose, and they do. It’s embarrassing. I don’t get this from a team that just 10 months ago ripped off 6 straight wins in ultra pressure playoff elimination games against hard ass competition. I can’t help but think there is something bad going on in the clubhouse that we’ll find out about in the offseason…

    • Nipper said, on July 30, 2013 at 7:15 pm

      Sobering thoughts Snarkk.

      • snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 8:17 pm

        I’m sober Nip. Lately, that’s a problem when you’re watching this team …

  54. unca_chuck said, on July 30, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    TV will soon be available via shit like Chromecast. Streamed via internet. Cable will adapt or die.

    • blade3colorado said, on July 30, 2013 at 7:32 pm

      I think so too. In fact, Apple, Google (as you alluded to), and Intel are all developing “set top TV boxes.” The key is acquiring content.

      • snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 7:50 pm

        I wish the Giants would acquire some damn content…

  55. pawliekokonuts said, on July 30, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Big world-weary, existential, resigned S. I. G. H. G’night, girls. (I pine for a Ferrethead woo-hoo. Seems like years ago.)

    • blade3colorado said, on July 30, 2013 at 8:00 pm

      Yeah, Ferret hasn’t been around since she went to that playoff game last year.

  56. snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Wow, Ray Woodson on KNBR and callers are calling for the Giants to stop the embarrassment and DFA Zito…

  57. blade3colorado said, on July 30, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    If I am Texas, I keep Nathan . . . Especially, after Soria loads the bags in the 7th. LOL.

  58. snarkk said, on July 30, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    KNBR reporting that Pence has told Sabean that if Sabes wants to trade him, go ahead. Pence loves SF and will strongly consider re-signing back with SF anyway after the season, regardless of where he gets traded. Things are getting interesting…

  59. xoot said, on July 30, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    On the fray-kass: Snarkk’s standing as a fan is unimpeachable and his writing, whether he’s angry or reflective or humorous or literary or whatever, is always good reading. I think everyone here agrees. So I’m not sure the other guy’s asshole comment needed so much attention. But he did deserve a smacking.

  60. unca_chuck said, on July 30, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    WSWIN does go back a ways to the heyday of the Splash, but his shit was uncalled for. Plain and simple.

    • Flavor said, on July 30, 2013 at 9:02 pm

      Being here before, and he was part of the night we celebrated in 2010, doesn’t give you an exception to comeback 3 years later and parachute like an asshole troll

  61. zumiee said, on July 30, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    The Brewers were somehow able to beat the mighty and awesome Cubs 6-5.

  62. imyomamma2 said, on July 30, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Strong feelings about this! I stuck up for Brian back in the “pre-beard” days on a regular basis-he wasn’t just any player in my eyes. Even though it was a love/hate relationship I feel that he may have made this move out of spite. That hurts. I’m old fashioned and I feel that with exception to those players that have no other option to play or are hard up for money, there is no excuse to leave a team that turned you into a celebrity & a world champion for their arch rivals! Once a SF Giant Never a LA Dodger! That’s just me though 


  63. salty said, on July 30, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Might as well stink it up good now and get a top 10 draft pick. Maybe find another Tim Buster or Bum.

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