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Power Outage

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 10, 2013

*Scutaro is 3 for 19 at the lead off spot with zero walks. Next…..

*Buster Posey has hit 1 home run since July 1st. As the reigning NL MVP, that’s a joke.

*Pablo Sandoval, who hit 3 freaking home runs in Game 1 of the world series, has hit one home run since May 22nd. He has no RBI’s in August.

*Hunter Pence has 1 home run since July 1st. Also, a joke.

Those 4 guys were supposed to be the backbone of the offense. Playing at AT&T doesn’t account for this spectacular power outage unless we’re playing all of them at AT&T. I’m so glad I don’t have to watch this sh!t right now. Sadly, that is a respite which will end in a couple of days.

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  1. willedav said, on August 10, 2013 at 7:18 am

    I know Lopez took the L last night, but I still don’t think trading him helps the team.
    First, he is a valuable cog in the pen, and there is no one to take his place as loogy in late innings, esp with Affeldt still out. Trade him and you just took a lot of firepower out of Bochy (best pen mgr in game) arsenal. While I can agree he seems like a luxury now, all of us still want SF to win games. Without Lopez that is less likely this year, and much tougher to contend next year too. Keep him and sign him.
    Second, 80% of time the potential FA leaves he does not return. It’s only a top contender that would be interested anyway–should Lopez wind up with Atl or Tigers or Rangers and they get to or win the Series and he picks up all the extra change, then it becomes 100%. No way he comes back to SF after he got a ring somewhere else.
    Third, I doubt he brings anything of immediate help in a deal. I have no idea what others expect to get for him; Sabes allegedly wanted a young SP, which seems far fetched. What I think you’d get is more like some combo of either Quiche or Pill–speed/defense guy or pop/non D guy who has lit up AAA. In other words, just what SF already has tons of, back ups that aren’t starting OF level quality. Lopez for Pill? No f-ing way. But he’s not bringing you the next Adam Jones or Jason Heyward.
    IF, you really want to create a feeding frenzy and acquire a top prospect(s) that might do something to alleviate the power outage, the guy you have to dangle as bait is Romo. Not saying I’d do that, but he’d get everyone’s attention, and you could induce a legit bidding war for his services.

    • boxhead said, on August 10, 2013 at 10:45 am

      Respect the opinion, but wouldn’t that 80% number just be a logical reflection of the situation. A non-competitive team shedding talent during a bad year to improve for future years. 80+% of those non-competitive teams are “rebuilding” and aren’t going to go after a guy the following year who will help at a premium cost.
      Maybe I am ignorant of some rule, but won’t 99% of FA’s just go to the team offering best contract.
      Is Lopez (or Pence) really going to not sign with SF because they traded him for the last two months? Or will they take less money next year because we kept them around this year?

      • Flavor said, on August 10, 2013 at 11:12 am

        another sound perspective from The Box Head.

      • twinfan1 said, on August 10, 2013 at 11:29 am

        of course these guys weren’t going to be traded to a team likely to be shedding talent this winter.

  2. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2013 at 7:27 am

    Well, what is a dramatic drop in power usually attributed to?

  3. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2013 at 7:46 am

    Team wide roid purge? You look at their numbers from late may and they are virtually th same.

    • E-B said, on August 10, 2013 at 12:33 pm

      uh, let’s see, that would imply posey was among those on roids last year and belt just started taking them and crawford never stopped and ….uh, pence took some then stopped and scutaro stopped about the time he broke his hand…uh,.and I guess timmy and cain are back on the juice….and bumgarner never got off…

  4. willedav said, on August 10, 2013 at 7:58 am

    Big 4 (belt instead of scut) so far have hit 50 HRs btw them. Belt could lead the team, as he is only one hitting now. I thought some of the earlier predictions (80+) from others at start of year were optimistic, but since I didn’t make one myself, I didn’t say anything.
    Pence is having a good season, but he is not a pull hitter. He really likes driving the outside pitch to RCF–a good idea and he has power that way, but it’s tough to hit one out of ATT in that direction.
    Posey stats are all down significantly (something that gets little mention), but he is still SF best hitter. As a C, the most physically demanding position, that automatically means he is going to sit out more games than others. If he were to play every single day, like Pence, wouldn’t that improve the moribund SF offense? Only way that happens is if he moves to different position. would you do that? Where, and when? Complicated by Belt, second best hitter and good defender, at 1b, and only Hector at C.
    Sandoval, I dunno. I like the guy, but very disappointing…just don’t see Arias or Abreu taking his spot, because I think you’d wind up with the blanco/torres/nate effect of sustained ABs dropping their production noticeably.

    Saw reference to Joyce last night on the thread…Cream’s Tales of Brave Ulysses I can handle, even though the lyrics don’t make any more sense to me than Joyce did. Enjoy game, Xoot. Props to Zum for talking about The Dimaggios book by T. Clavin, definitely a *good read*.

    • zumiee said, on August 10, 2013 at 9:38 am

      It’s interesting to compare the youths of the DiMaggios with the youths of Mantle and Mays. The 3 DiMaggio brothers had to rebel against their dad in order to be baseball players. The DiMaggios were coming of age when a lot of folks still considered baseball a frivolous activity at best, or hanging out with hooligans at worst. In just a 1/2 generation later, both Mantle’s and Mays’ dads actively worked with them and groomed them to become pro ballplayers, to help them avoid the grind of the hard working life. Willie’s father in a steel mill, and Mickey’s father in a zinc mine. Mantle and Mays had the advantage of having dads and grandfathers (!) even, who had played semi-pro ball. The fact that the 3 younger DiMaggio brothers were able to avoid the fate of the 2 older brothers, who went into a regular working life on their dad’s fishing boat, is kind of a miracle. It took Vince’s role as the first rebel to make it all happen. Vince had to literally run away from home, and show his dad that he could actually make cash money playing baseball.

  5. zumiee said, on August 10, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Of course, the crap icing on the crap cake last night was the Dodgers coming back to win their game last night, after being behind 6-1 going into the 8th inning. Mark Ellis drew a 12-pitch walk in the 8th inning, and hit a triple in the 9th. I know SABR says “clutch hitters” don’t really exist, but Ellis is a tough out in crucial situations. He seems pretty “clutch” to me.

    • James said, on August 10, 2013 at 10:28 am

      SABR guys don’t say it, the rate at which players actually get hits or get on base in those situations over their careers does all the talking. I know you could look it up yourself and have chosen not to, but as a service to any impressionable readers:


    • twinfan1 said, on August 10, 2013 at 10:48 am

      i think that when the argument is framed by the assertion that ‘clutch hitters don’t exist’, it gets hackles raised- and it’s not really a sabr thing anyway, just good ole batting average. the assertion that clutch hitters don’t exist can be stated quite simply: ‘ over a large enough sample, players will hit in given situations pretty much as they do overall.’ and if a group of steely eyed performers who come thru when the chips are down really exist, why aren’t they clutch every year? looking up any 5 players at random, and we’d almost certainly see that their risp and risp w/2 outs vary significantly year to year. sandoval is .354 w/risp this year, .208 in 2010.
      mark ellis – .266 career ba, .265 career ba w/risp. this year .274 ba .279 w/risp. numbers w/2 outs and risp are lower- .250 this year, .242 career.
      here’s what joe sheehan, an author of bp says..
      ‘The idea that players’ abilities do not change in the clutch is one of those things that gets the anti-stathead crowd riled up, gets them talking about pocket protectors and people who take the fun out of the game. I don’t buy it; the fun is the game, in the performances and the competition and the talent that we get to watch.
      When you have that, who needs a myth?’

      • boxhead said, on August 10, 2013 at 11:16 am

        IMO a clutch hitter is NOT someone who hits “better” in clutch situations, but he is a hitter who doesn’t hit “worse” when the pressure is on. I bet SABR will show a bunch of guys who are “not clutch”. “The existence of ‘not clutch’ proves the existence of ‘clutch’ it does,” – Yoda.

      • twinfan1 said, on August 10, 2013 at 11:46 am

        boxhead-it’s not a sabr stat.but if one wants to assert that a ‘clutch’ hitter is’ a hitter who doesn’t hit worse when the pressure is on, i have no problem with it- all major-league players have a demonstrated ability to perform under pressure just by getting to the bigs. and your definition makes nearly all big leaguers ‘clutch hitters’.
        btw- great comments, boxhead. well thought out, reasonable.

  6. twinfan1 said, on August 10, 2013 at 9:57 am

    may 25 has often been cited as the day the music died , when crazy horse played his last game. i’ve pooh-poohed the idea that the loss of one guy having a poor year should affect a whole team of pros- hell, they got *better* for a couple months after posey went down in 2011. but i looked at the scrum again, the pile up after pa-gone hit his game winner. and it became clear- they all got hurt: panda did it when his massive belly squished everything and anyone in it’s disgusting odiferous gelatinous chile chomping destructive path. those outside of the horrific swath of destruction have suffered ptsd- as we all know, quite common among those who have suffered a terrifying ordeal. the person who develops ptsd may have been the one who was harmed, the harm may have happened to a loved one, or the person may have witnessed a harmful event that happened to loved ones or strangers- or teammates.

  7. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Whatever it is, it isn’t over. Much to my dismay . . .

    • Nipper said, on August 10, 2013 at 11:21 am


  8. Alleykat said, on August 10, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Shit you have Blanco on 1st one out in the 9th and you can’t even attempt a steal?
    Boch sends up Torres to bunt,who bunts it right to the charging. 3B who easily nails Blanco at 2nd.
    Stupid plays like that cost them games.
    Then of course ,Torres stays at 1st too, without attempting a steal.Your 2 supposedly “FASTEST” guys, can’t even steal a anymore bag anymore.Ridiculous ..

    • snarkk said, on August 10, 2013 at 12:37 pm

      Thank you Kat. Bochy plays this team like he’s always waiting for the 3 run homer. I didn’t know we had Boog Powell and Frank Robinson on this team. Well, Belt gave him one the other day. About as rare as the white whale. When the “speed” guys are on, it’s almost never a try for a steal. Blanco and Torres aren’t very good at steals, but they’re about all we got for that. The hit and run is less rare, but that’s apparently often seen as also too risky by Bochy. If your team is in contention, well, maybe that’s recognition of the lack of talents required to execute. When you’re out of contention, why not try to pressure the defense when your ability to score runs is impeded by a 3 month dose of Immodium?…

      • zumiee said, on August 10, 2013 at 12:41 pm

        Bochy is more of a SABR guy than the SABR guys give him credit for. SABR hates steals, bunts, and small ball in general.
        Of course, Bochy probably believes that there’s an ability called “clutch hitting,” even though he hasn’t seen much of it this season.
        He’s a complicated man.

  9. twinfan1 said, on August 10, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    1. Marco Scutaro (R) 2B

    2. Joaquin Arias (R) SS

    3. Brandon Belt (L) 1B

    4. Buster Posey (R) C

    5. Hunter Pence (R) RF

    6. Pablo Sandoval (S) 3B

    7. Jeff Francoeur (R) LF

    8. Andres Torres (S) CF

    9. Chad Gaudin (R) P

  10. Alleykat said, on August 10, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Don’t have time to look it up(work) but I’m pretty sure I have Fatso Panda nailed cold on our predictions..Had him for 17 Bombs and 74 RBI’S and the usual amount of time on the DL.
    Of course he won’t make it to even my stats but I believe every other Flapper had higher numbers.

    • zumiee said, on August 10, 2013 at 12:37 pm

      I had Sandoval at .315, 15. 75. The injuries are predictable. He seems destined to be an AL DH, and he’ll probably do well at it. His body doesn’t do well with the longterm pounding of playing the field. Just my opinion.
      Like a lot of the Giants hitters these days, he’s having trouble squaring up the ball for some reason.

    • snarkk said, on August 10, 2013 at 12:40 pm

      I figured he’d be in the mid 20s for HRs. He’s a huge disappointment. His power has disappeared, as Chuck noted above. The swinging at first pitches regardless of where they are and constantly swinging at pitches at his toes and neck becomes less acceptable when you’re BA starts hovering towards .250, your slg is heading south, and you don’t cover third on bunts to the pitcher…

      • zumiee said, on August 10, 2013 at 12:45 pm

        His last AB last night is something I don’t get. It was an outside pitch early in the count, and he reached out, with no lower body in the swing, and just hit a gentle fungo fly to the leftfielder. If he’s going to be hackilicious, that’s fine, but it needs to be a vicious swing.

      • snarkk said, on August 10, 2013 at 1:06 pm

        I have no idea whether Pablo goes up there with an AB plan, a situational plan, knowledge of what the current/new pitcher throws, etc. I assume some coach is giving him that in the dugout before the AB, and something is discussed. If my assumption is correct, either he rarely follows the plan, or the plan is to swing at everything. Or, I’m wrong and there is no plan. Same with Pence. He got the key RBI last night, but all these topped dribblers from wild swings are getting tiresome. He’s hitting .279, which I find hard to believe since my eyes are telling me it should be worse than that. He’s actually hitting .333 the last 30 days. Gotta be the softest .333 in a while…

      • Alleykat said, on August 10, 2013 at 1:07 pm

        Agree Snarkk.
        And yet Bochy runs him out there today.Pathetic.
        Yeah Buster is in a major funk like this whole team(hope theirs no medical issue) of course with our crack top medical staff who ever knows?

    • twinfan1 said, on August 10, 2013 at 12:54 pm

      well, he’s certainly been a disappointment, as have many others. maybe he should have stayed on the dl for the year.

  11. Alleykat said, on August 10, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Yeah pretty sad state for Panda when you have the reigning MVP of the W/S now batting 6th and lucky to be that high in the order.
    Agree Z…He’s only gonna be a Fat DH in the AL soon, “The next “Gates Brown” stuffing hot dogs in his back pockets to go and hit.

  12. snarkk said, on August 10, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Echoing what somebody said up above, Posey isn’t escaping some blame here on the power outage. Last 30 days, he’s got a .685 OPS, with 11 RBIs, one ahead of Belt, 2 behind Panda. One HR. I’d call that very lame production for a $167M face of the franchise. You can argue nobody’s getting on; well, he can still hit doubles and HRs when nobody’s on, which he isn’t doing. Kiesch is striking out at an alarming rate near 50% after 31 ABs. I still say play him. Give him at least 100 ABs to get a sense of whether this kid has any real potential. Every day Francouer starts is a wasted game in LF, IMO, regardless of what he does…

  13. Alleykat said, on August 10, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Pitchers can pound him inside cause they know he can’t get his “MAMMOTH BELLY” cleared out of the way to pull the ball with any power.

    • E-B said, on August 10, 2013 at 1:02 pm

      he looks to be thinner now than at any time in the last 2 years.

      • zumiee said, on August 10, 2013 at 1:06 pm

        But perhaps the damage is done. He might be kind of an “older” body than his years suggest.
        I hope he gets on track, and I hope he stays with the Giants longterm. One of the things I like about Sandoval is that he has a great attitude to play at AT&T. He’s lost several HRs in that deep right-center triangle, and he just shrugs it off. It takes unique hitters for this ballpark, not just physically, but mentally, too.

  14. zumiee said, on August 10, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    The Braves are on one of the quietest 14-game winning streaks ever. The Dodgers are soaking up a lot of the attention and the Braves are just quietly going about their business. The Cardinals seem to be faltering. Pittsburgh is hanging tough. The Pirates have avoided their annual collapse so far.

    • Alleykat said, on August 10, 2013 at 1:12 pm

      Yeah the wife must be pretty happy right now Z.
      Braves are getting great pitching and clutch all- round play right now.
      Even after losing Hudson they haven’t missed a beat.

      • zumiee said, on August 10, 2013 at 1:15 pm

        Yeah, AK, she’s thrilled with their performance, with the team having such a cushion right now. The Braves’ collapse a couple of years ago is still a vivid memory to her. And, of course, last year’s “one game” playoff debacle.

  15. snarkk said, on August 10, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    I predict the Braves will do the usual cratering in the playoffs. It didn’t help that they lost Hudson. The NL East is awful, so it’s hard to judge how good they really are…

    • zumiee said, on August 10, 2013 at 1:12 pm

      I agree a big concern for them will be the starting pitching- is it ready for prime-time, the playoffs? It has shown good stretches this season, but we all know the playoffs are a crucible of another magnitude.

  16. snarkk said, on August 10, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Good afternoon, Flappers.
    Go Giants!…

  17. twinfan1 said, on August 10, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    k an k, who hardly have been panda ‘apologists’ this year, claim he lost 19 pounds during the as break, and he does look like it. considering that he had 8 dingers and 37 rbi when he went on the dl in early june, it might be that the injuries he is being mocked for suffering might have someting to do with his drop off. as i said, maybe he should have stayed on the dl.

    • zumiee said, on August 10, 2013 at 1:23 pm

      I wonder what he did to lose 19 pounds in 4 days. It would be interesting to know.

    • zumiee said, on August 10, 2013 at 1:25 pm

      I like Sandoval. I hope he plays the next 3-5 years with the Giants, and then the next phase of his career is probably as DH. And who knows, the NL may have the DH by then for all we know.

  18. twinfan1 said, on August 10, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    even though belt has rather empathically beat back the ‘challenge’, you have to feel a bit for pill. the guy goes 7 for 13 and then gets exactly one more start since then.

    • Alleykat said, on August 10, 2013 at 1:44 pm

      Yeah Twin, Pill is getting the short end of the stick.Since Boch insists on giving a washed- up Frenchy his playing time.
      Take Pill over Tour de Francouer in LF anyday.
      Don’t suppose Pill was banging Mrs. Bochy,to get demoted to the end of the bench cleaning out the sunflower seeds after the games?

  19. zumiee said, on August 10, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Alright, what’s the over/under on the inning Flappers fall asleep during this game? I see a 4th inning nap in your futures.

  20. twinfan1 said, on August 10, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    gee, dirrrty with the win and a scoreless inning for the beard last night in Albuquerque … like them or not, it’s just *wrong* for them to be in the dodger system…

  21. Macdog said, on August 10, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    A sac bunt! An RBI from Scoot! 2-out hits by Belt and Pence! What the clutch is going on?

  22. twinfan1 said, on August 10, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    this has been a top notch ballgame.

  23. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Miss the good ones, see the shit ones. Guess I should stop watching . . .

    And,whoever you are, e-b, I was kidding.

  24. xoot said, on August 10, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    Behind the plate we had a great view of Gaudin’s 79 mph curve ball nicking the corners in the first inning. Once he got into the stretch, however, holy shit. With the bases loaded in the second my kid was beside himself. (“He’s an AL pitcher. Throw him strikes!”) Still, The Groper, or The Paramedic, or whatever his sobriquet may be hung in there for a while. The ump calling balls and strikes couldn’t have been less consistent, but at least he was equally bad for both sides. Then, with Lopez resting after last night, Casilla had to face Davis leading off the 8th. A HR waiting to happen, and man was that a bomb. But overall it was a delightful game. The full house was roaring in the bottom of the 6th, especially for Pence’s double, and then again when Romo closed it out. Tony Bennett time. Ineluctable tonality of the audible.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 10, 2013 at 7:43 pm

      Good job Xoot* – in both the description and your record of going to games and the Giants winning. You must be something like 100-1, right? Ensure that you continue to have whatever talisman along with you when you attend future games.

      * I initially indicated Zumiee, i.e., I am not certain if it’s you or him that has the outstanding record when attending games. If both, then keep doing what yer doin’.

      • xoot said, on August 10, 2013 at 7:49 pm

        I think Zumie’s the good luck charm. But I attended the 10th inning Pablo walk-off game back in May, so maybe I’m doing ok, too. The walk back downtown after a victory sure is fun.

      • zumiee said, on August 10, 2013 at 7:54 pm

        I’ll be at the Wednesday game vs. the Red Sox, a week and a half from now. My record is real good the last few seasons. I’ll try to bring another victory home. 🙂

      • blade3colorado said, on August 10, 2013 at 7:55 pm

        Shit, if we could get you to go to every game, we might salvage the season.

  25. twinfan1 said, on August 10, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    night all. nice report as usual, xoot..

  26. zumiee said, on August 10, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    A couple of times McCarver said the right-centerfield triangle is “where triples go to die.”
    Did that make sense to anyone?

    • unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2013 at 10:10 pm

      Someone (Durocher?) used to say that about Willie Mays’ glove. How that applies to triples alley is beyond me. It’s where triples are born.

    • twinfan1 said, on August 11, 2013 at 9:29 am

      well, even according to the local announcers, outfielders ‘pinch’ the alley to cut off would-be triples, so it does make sense in that regard- it may be triples alley if a player can drive it thru the defense to the wall but teams play to cut that off-as we see time and again.
      btw, imo mccarver is much better teamed with kenny albert , as he was yesterday, than he is with buck.

  27. eddacker said, on August 10, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    WOW, what a story!
    I never thought if we spoke of Bozo’s bat and Vaseline it would be a signed Gaylord one.

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