Flappers, Unite.
An Open Letter to Anyone Who Claims To Be A “Flapper”:
And I’ll preface this by saying you (Flappers) are the cornerstone of the blog and the main reason why random lurkers come here every day (that’s only creepy-sounding if we’re talking 3-D life). Stuff I write is part of it, but I’m a global guy, very little micro shit gettin’ written up in “heeee-ahhh” . I think that last part sounded hip hop.
But *WE* should get the same criticism as the players when things are going bad for the team. Not watching games to the end is expected. Turning your interests to something more tolerable is understandable (I like re-runs of iCarly (as long as my daughter is present). I also enjoy playing Othello, but I suck at it. I’m fantastic at chess and bejeweled blitz and they’re basically the same game so this vexes me. But nevertheless….. I don’t quit anything because I’m not winning. That’s pussy-shit. I try hard, till the *end* (whatever that is–and if you were at my house right now you’d be kicking my ass in Othello)….
We had a mantra in high school baseball: “you play hard, I play hard. You quit, I quit.” And we told that, quite directly, to opposing players who we were killing who gave us shit for not respecting the *baseball bible* of peeling off once our win was theoretically secure—stealing a bag, scoring from 1st, swinging on 3-0….hey, YOU play hard, WE play hard. YOU quit, WE quit. And “you try hard, I try hard” or “you quit I quit” is still how I live my life today. If you interact with people, it’s how all of us SHOULD live our life everyday…….
The Flip side, or how it relates to the blog, is that I’m challenging you to not quit–and the gravitational pull to quit is strong, non-Flappers wouldn’t sweat you for bailing on the team in 2013. they are impossible and horrible to watch…….
But the comments here at the blog are down yet the unique visitors are about the same. That tells me it’s been *quitting time* for Flappers who don’t like the fact that we smoke copious amounts of pole this year. Fact: we’ve gargled mayonnaise this season…..And while Twin’s current challenges are part of the negative comment numbers, the google map I’m looking at doesn’t say that’s the whole story. There’s a lot of people reading, looking, staring, and bailing. That’s not what real Giants fans are all about, by a long shot.
The strength of the fan base is in the definition of the base. And if you make up any singular cell of *the base*, and you give a shit about your spot in the unit, then don’t fucking quit now like the pussies who whined about my teammate back in HS (I stole no bases in HS) who stole a bag late in a 7-0 game with a few innings to go…..
My request is, as the blog owner who everyone *jacks off to* (using a recent *James* ref there and he was radly bouncing off an epic Flavoristic comment from before that) is that you keep firing away your thoughts, opinions, etc….
We are Giants fans. We Score, We Win. In or Out?
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props to Vogs, who I wasn’t sure was gonna make it out of the second inning. by all rights he should be ahead, and bochy should be figuring out who is gonna set it up for Romo.
Kicks with 2 singles up the middle, arias with the only rbi, and poor Pill just crushed one.
I know this has been talked about too, but I don’t see fans quitting on the team either. Maybe more empty seats than usual, but when they do actually get something to cheer about, noise factor seems like it’s still there.
A sac fly!
Though I’ve been known to be doomerish in the best of times, count me IN, like the pole in a pole dancer’s loins; count me UP, like the home run in a silo; count me STRONG, like the stare of a Vogelsong; count me FAITHFUL, like the acolyte at Father O’Flaherty’s morning Mass; count me among the WE of Flap Nation. Go, Giants, win, lose, or draw!
yes yes yes yes yes we will yes we yes we will yes yes yes yes yes yes we will we can we did we are yes WWWWWWWWWWWWWW we are W yes yes yes yes yes yes
and yes it probably was a strike, but the game’s over SF wins and the sox don’t.
And their annoying fans that accounted for way too much noise at the yard at all the wrong times can cry about it all the way home.
plus my little bet for this series w/ a Red Sox fan friend is still alive #rallyzito
WALK off!!
Nice one
Wasn’t pretty. But, it’s a win. Now, that shows some character. Like Flappers…
Maybe it’s silly to say this or think this, but BIG WIN. And glad for once to stay up past 1 am to follow the blinking ESPN dots. #fuckyeah
Gaudin has carpal tunnel? Seriously? What’s he been doing between starts? Pounding the keyboard with some kind of home internet business? Anyway, the thought of Zito facing the RSox is mega scary. Maybe that’s why he just might do OK…
Nice post Craig. I’m in till the end!!!
Why, as a manager, would you send in a AAA reliever, into his first MLB appearance, in the bottom of the 9th with bags loaded, 2 down, tie game, in the opposition’s yard? Just askin’…
Picked up the game on a Hartford station during the drive home. At first, the Red Sox announcer said it was a called strike, then figured out that it was ball 4, game over. Having just seen the replay on SportsCenter, no wonder the guy was confused. But hey, strange move by Farrell (a Jersey guy) bringing in a reliever whose career walk ratio is 5.5 per 9 IP — and had 8 walks in 4.1 innings this year — into that situation.
Just got back from a late evening out . . . Awesome thread Flavor. Yeah, I’ve rarely quit – can’t say ever or never because I would be lying – on anything in my life. I don’t like the feeling I have when I have not given my best. I think the Giants feel the same way. I sure as hell don’t think they have quit. Are they disgusted with the losing? Certainly. Anyway, this is an awesome thread and I am exhausted right now, but may post again on this topic tomorrow. Good night all . . .
I don’t question the end of the Frenchy era.
I question why it began…
In.
Last night would have been one of those tough games to have lost. Other than Belt who hammered 3 hits, and Quiche, with 3 solid line drives, SF only got 2 hits the entire night in 10 innings. One of those was Arias rbi triple, the other scuts line drive to Rf that Victorino was gonna try to throw him out at 1b til he bobbled it.
Posey(til he finally got a ball in the air for a SF) and Pence sucked, zero discipline and flat out bad ABs in clutch situations. This ain’t on Bochy. He’s let Pence play his way out of slumps, and he’s rested Posey; neither have any excuses, nor do the rest of them.
Hopefully everyone who is disappointed in their numbers and the amount of games the team has lost realizes time is running out to make them look better, and plays accordingly.
I’m still here ready to give my dumb ass posts to anyone who will receive them. And I second any Wille D posts especially if the coffee is strong.
nip, you must be on something stronger than coffee. Might not be a bad idea to share some with flappers at Sept. 7 game if you can.
Did America quit after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Hell no..I’m totally “IN”
Then again I’m thinking a hamburger for lunch at In &Out,so I’m out then back in.
I noted I would have to take a step back this season after last season. It was just too stressful to keep track of the team every day or every game. I noticed the flap doing what I thought were odd things sometime in June. My surprise was complete before the ASG when I saw popular flapper pawliekokonuts dooming and dropping out do to poor play by the team. Although, like me, he does have a time zone thing. and unlike me he has a much better life to distract him; which is to say he has reasons to give up and move on. The second thing I have noticed this year is a negative tone to many posts. Winning was a thrill and going back to just-Giants-fans left a hostile taste in the mouth.
When our sports team is winning that makes us winners and when they suck like a drunk cougar that makes us; well, not winners.
Excellent post heir Magnus and one that was long over-due. Thanks
Surprised that Zito is starting today. Oh boy . . .
Krukow promised 7-8 strong innings today with 10 K’s and 10 walks.
Zits farewell tour back in the rotation now with the Groper out begins today.
Yee-Haw.
I found this MLB Franchise ranking fascinating. Although it was done by a Bleacher report writer, don’t criticize it until you actually have reviewed it. Frankly, he did an excellent job because it was done quantitatively on the following factors:
1. Percent of years in which team made the playoffs (Weight: 30 percent).
2. Percent of years in which team won the World Series (Weight: 25 percent).
3. Two hundred times the number of Hall of Fame players in franchise history divided by number of years franchise has existed (Weight: 15 percent).
4. One-eighth of revenue earned in 2012 in millions (Weight: 15 percent).
5. Fifteen plus operating income in 2012 in millions (Weight: 10 percent).
6. Thirty-five minus the average value of the farm system as ranked by ESPN’s Keith Law in February (Insider subscription required) and Bleacher Report’s Mike Rosenbaum in August (Weight: five percent).
Obviously, you know who came in number 1 . . . Yes, the Yankees. However, I was genuinely surprised that the Giants were number 2 – nope not the Cardinals, nor the Dodgers, and not Boston. The biggest surprise was number 7 and I will let you find out which franchise that was by checking it out yourself . . .
Click on this link: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1742559-mlb-franchise-power-rankings-who-is-the-greatest-of-all-time
I’m OK with the top 3 as is — Yanks, Giants, Cards. But, Dbacks at 7 ahead of the Dodgers at 8? That’s weird, given the storied history of the Dodgers. I’d go Yanks, Giants, Cards, Dodgers, RSox, Cubs, As, Reds, Pirates, Braves, Orioles. I’m big on a team’s history and meaning to the game as a whole. Giants leading all with HOFers is huge, IMO. Tigers with 4 WS wins at 20 seems too low; Astros at 15 with none seems way high…
What is weird? You would have to “weigh” the factors differently (or come up with additional factors). Going by his criteria snarkk, there is nothing wrong with his math based upon the factors he used and how each factor is weighed.
Also, you would either have to eliminate “newer” franchises or come up with another two tier ranking system – one for the 100 year plus franchises and another for the franchises that came into being in the 1960s and later.
I get the age and newer teams issue. But, IMO baseball is the sport with heaviest weight on history and how that plays a huge role in the sport. There is just no way the Dbacks are the #7 all time franchise ahead of a team with 6 WS wins, more PO appearances than any other except the Yanks, and Jackie Robinson. Ahead of the Reds and Pirates? The author of the study himself said in the Dodger blurb they’re probably lower than they should be due to 2012 income. What diff should one year’s operating income make? Nada. Anyway, all time power ranking is what he’s supposed to be measuring, from what he says. Dbacks are not all time anything. Jackie, PeeWee, Campanella, the Duke, Branch Rickey, Koufax, Walter Alston, Drysdale, Lasorda etc., vs. who? Luis Gonzales? Randy Johnson, Schilling, Matt Williams, Mark Grace and Byung-Hyun Kim? Not even close…
The way the Rsox take pitches, work counts and hit the ball, you’d think Zito is in for it today. Yeah. But, I hope he’s “on” with control, and makes a decent outing of his potentially last start ever at ATT. Focus on “hope”, because logic and reason say he’s going to get clobbered…
Is Jordana LaLa Lurker (so seductive a name, straight out of one of TedSpe’s film noir movies) the same Jordana I met with MagnusFlavoris before WS Game 1 and who is obliguely but dutifully noted in WORLD SERIOUS? Yes! Be with us!
Yes, likely. My thread posted to Facebook and we are friends so….
I just watched the little video wrap on ESPN.com. 1. Seeing those game-winning-celebration smiles is like seeing a lush downpour on parched desert land. 2. I didn’t realize Posey’s critical sac fly was caught in foul territory. Why didn’t Victorino just drop it? It was very deep and a hard play. 3. The last ball was close but I could see where it was outside enough to be called a ball. #rallyzito p.s. to edddddddacker: don’t read anything into my doomirsh postings; they’ve always shown up, even in 2010 and 2012. I conceded the season in June 2010 in an email to blade3colorado. He never let me forget it.
Carpal tunnel for Gaudin? How? I haven’t seen an explanation, maybe the beat guys did? Then again, that’s unlikely for them to dig into something. Here’s a report from a fantasy league site, it’s perplexing to me, since carpal tunnel is a repetitive motion injury that usually takes years to develop. “Giants starting pitcher Chad Gaudin has put in extra work on his off days to get an edge on opponents, and that extra work might have proven to be his downfall. Gaudin was placed on the disabled list Tuesday due to carpal tunnel in his right hand, and Gaudin speculates that the notes he takes in between starts might be a contributing factor to his injury”.
See? Jerking off IS bad for you.
Hahaha . . . Carpal tunnel and “beat” guys – something funny about those two terms.
If carpal tunnel develops that fast from taking notes during a stint of about a dozen starts, Zito should have carpal tunnel in his neck from following line shots whizz by into the OF these past 6 years…
I saw the pitch chart briefly on espn, it appeared be a tad outside, imo-the last pitch, that is..it was a strike when it was caught, that doesn’t count.
1. Andres Torres (S) CF
2. Marco Scutaro (R) 2B
3. Brandon Belt (L) 1B
4. Buster Posey (R) C
5. Hunter Pence (R) RF
6. Joaquin Arias (R) 3B
7. Roger Kieschnick (L) LF
8. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
9. Barry Zito (L) P
Just for the helluvit: Career earnings (per Baseball Almanac).
Matt Williams $79 million.
Will Clark $54 million.
Jeff Kent $86 million
Barry Bonds $188 million.
Willie Mays $1.9 million…
Willie Mays was a tad under paid.
mays was the highest paid player in baseball 11 times from 1959 until 1970. barry bonds was never baseball’s highest paid player.
my point isn’t that bonds wasn’t paid handsomely, just that mays was paid as he should have been as baseball’s best player. it could be argued that today’s players are overpaid or those of willie’s were underpaid, but as baseball’s greatest player, mays was compensated accordingly -for that era.
Actually, I am fairly certain that when Bonds inked his first contract with the Giants (7 years, 49 million), he was at that time the highest paid player.
One thing to remember about dodgers history is that they were consistently the worst team in New York for a really long time. Giants (from NL inception) and Yanks (from Ruth through 40s) had much more successful history, and most of guys Snarkk mentions were from 1950s and up. The 60s teams battles vs. SF featured tons of players I revere and respect on both sides, in stark contrast to the garvey era guys.
They’ve also been on receiving end of some of the more monumental plays in baseball history, from Thompson’s HR, Mickey Owen’s dropped third strike, and the cementing of Mr. October legend when Reggie hit 3 bombs against them as a Yank.
Look forward to their ultimate demise and something like above happening this year.
ta-ta. enjoy the game.
Andres giveth, Andres taketh away . . .
Ed asked about a link . . . http://www.vipboxonline.eu/sports/baseball.html
I am at home, so I can watch on TV, but the link above works if you are patient and wait for the dialog boxes to disappear or click on the “x” s.
Missed call there. Zito’s the last guy who needs to get extra outs.
Drip, drip, drip . . . death by a thousand cuts.
Well, if the Giants surprise and actually get the proverbial 4 runs for Zits, uh, we’re still in trouble…
Flemm on radio saying Zito’s cutter and fastball are clocking in at around 79 and 82. Yikes…
Fuckity fuck fuck. What has happened to this defense? They are completely inept in all phases.
It’s hard NOT to check out on this shit. At least for watching these clowns.
Been busy as hell at work (I know…what the fuck are you doing posting on a blog all day at work…), and was out late last night. Excellent thread Flav, and of course, I am ALL IN…always will be, but will try to be more consistent and regular on posting.
Was doing a training session all morning…then worked out (lucky to have a gym here at work), and grabbed a bite…only to fire up the game and see that Zito was having a very Zito-like performance.
And there will always be a special place in my heart for Barry with what he did last year in the playoffs, but the stretch he is going through this year is brutal.
at work, seeing he gave up 6ER. How bad was it? If the D was bad how come all the runs were earned?
They didn’t call the blown popup an error cuz no one touched it. Pence, Belt, and Scoots all converged and watched the ball hit the grass. Run scores from 2nd. The blown call was called a hit. Belt took a throw from Zits and instead of getting the out, the ump called his foot off the bag. Granted, Andres led the game off with a single and promptly got picked off.
Oh, they were hitting ball hard off him, but 3 of the runs shouldn’t be there.
Rather watch an episode of “The Groper& The Lurker” right now….
What channel is that on, Kat?
Forgot to comment on Edd’s 8:30 re: negative comments. I have posted my share of both constructive comments (when someone has it going good for a stretch) and also my share of negative comments. But seriously, what the hell are you supposed to do if the team is playing like the fucking Keystone Kops? Leading the league in errors, cannot hit with RISP, etc. I am NOT going to sugar-coat it and make it into something it is not. This team has flat-out sucked this year. Does me pointing out the woeful play make me less a fan? I think not…I think it points to a passionate fan that expects more from his reigning World Series Champion team.
Most of the bagging on the team, I feel, is deserved. And again…I don’t think that makes anyone who is doing the bagging, any less a fan.
Sorry, this last inning and the Sox blowing the game out reminded me that I wanted to comment on this topic.
Nothing personal at you, Edd…just a thought on negative comments in general.
And they can suck until the fucking cows come home, but I will ALWAYS be a San Francisco Giants fan (sure as fuck didn’t stop me in 1985 when they lost 100 games).
New theme for 2013: 1 out of 3 ain’t bad.
Shoot, you mean we’re worse than Meatloaf?…
So it sounds like they were beaten across the board in all aspects of the game. Nice. I bet the radio guys had a fun time coming up with 4 different MVP’s for this game……
phuck me…I was naive. Thought last night would be a turning point, going to sleep with visions of taking 2 of 3…phuck
BLEEP!
The only turning is fans and mgmt’s stomach.
Bochy: the team is experiencing “mental drift” …
If you want, BF, I’ll start posting here more often…….
Zoom – I know you enjoy reading as much as I do – don’t know if you enjoy numbers and mathematics as I do, but recently finished “The Man Who Loved Only Numbers” – the story of Paul Erdos – an interesting read and fascinating person :
“Oliver Sacks writes of Erdös: “A mathematical genius of the first order, Paul Erdös was totally obsessed with his subject–he thought and wrote mathematics for nineteen hours a day until the day he died. He traveled constantly, living out of a plastic bag, and had no interest in food, sex, companionship, art–all that is usually indispensable to a human life.”
Dude was a trip – thought I’d pass it along if you’re interested.
Glad I took a nap for the major part of this game. Flav, you going to the gym tomorrow? If so, shoot me an email about the approximate time, etc. Thanks . . . Go Giants!
Fuck off Dodgers! Still hoping to play the spoiler role, so am rooting for the Snakes . . . Go Arizona!
Before tonight the Dirty Snakes had won 9 out of their last 13 games – and they lost a few games to the Dodgers for their effort.
“…in the standings…”
Does Los Angeles have a moratorium or prohibition on Dodger blogs? Suggestion – you should start one Rooster.
By the by, Rooster do you know what a Los Angeles Dodgers fan does when his team has won the World Series?
A: He turns off the PlayStation 3.
Rooster, I like numbers to a point. I enjoyed reading Nate Silver’s “The Signal and the Noise.” I could give a look for the Erdos book next time I’m at the library.
OH! Thank God, people still use the library.
🙂
Another fugly loss; this season’s team play has never ceased to surprise me. Even now that the writing is on the wall, I still see Cain throwing a one hitter, Pence running the bases and scoring, Panda pounding pitches – low, wide or high ones – for big flies, Scooter and Crawford making magical motivating DBs. I have very little ‘aide’ for this lemon of team play; this pain of a good team gone bad. Tomorrow is a new game. Go Giants!
Looking forward to the call ups period. Maybe we’ll get some energy going. This team looks like its power pack is drained, and cannot be re-charged…
I wasn’t able to bring winning mojo to the Giants today, but it was a very nice day nonetheless. I had a terrific time getting some time with my nephew, and the weather was a very nice break from the Central Valley heat. The Giants fans are still decked out in championship swag, and supported the team throughout. There was only mass exodus starting after the bottom of the 8th ended, which I think is pretty impressive in a 12-1 loss.
The Red Sox fans weren’t obnoxious. They are a more wiser group now. They, of all fans, know what weird things can happen in a given season, especially after their 2011. Dare I say, it’s a more humble group of Red Sox fans now. And they’re, no doubt, nervous about the next month and a half, and what it may bring.
Glad to hear that. BoSox fans, and their legions of bandwagon fans were tough to take for a while there.
Those of you going to Giants games, be sure and check out the SF Chronicle goody bags being sold in the plaza in front of the ballpark. They are great value for the money. For $4 today, the bag included a Giants t-shirt, today’s newspaper, some cool Giants players cards, a Giants player refrigerator magnet, a small Giants pennant, and a Giants poster.
Is it like a mystery bag that you don’t know what’s inside until you open it? I’m intrigued.
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