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Bad Team, Bad Decisions = Last Place/ And 1 Million Flap Hits

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on September 6, 2013

Another day, another day in last place. Last night was a good example of how last place teams play. I was pretty impressed with the sheer collection of stupidity between Flannery and Belt when it came to Gerardo Parra. Flan should know you don’t run on that guy and Belt had the play RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM, he saw the ball kick right back to Parra and he ran anyway. Idiotic.

For the record, Matt Cain is scheduled to pitch at Flapalooza on Saturday. That’s cool. We can pull Snarkk off suicide watch now that we know Zito isn’t pitching. Another reason to be excited about the Cain start: Β it’ll be the first time I’ve ever seen a guy in a horse head wearing an orange sombrero slam a beer. And while I grasp at reasons to pay any attention at all to that game, that’s a pretty good angle right there…..

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Also, a fun day for the blog stats widget. We’ll be passing 1 million hits today. The day before Flapalooza 3.0, that’s kinda rad.

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  1. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2013 at 7:25 am

    Busted Buster. He.has a “Little fracture” on his ring finger.

    He wants to play throu it. I’d like to see Johnny play.

  2. blade3colorado said, on September 6, 2013 at 7:35 am

    Flapalooza game is a side note; asterisk; “yeah but;” footnote; afterthought; postscript; footer; reference; addendum; appendix; jotting; notation; remark; appendage; codicil; appurtenance; attachment; additive; annex; adjunct; extra; supplement . . . I could go on, but I will spare you.

    Conversely, the Flapalooza 3.0 Fest is an EPIC ANNUAL EVENT!
    πŸ™‚

  3. blade3colorado said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:10 am

    By the by, congratulations on the (soon to be) 1,000,000 Flap hit! In my own inimitable (and humble) way, I probably contributed at least a 1,000. πŸ˜‰

  4. willedav said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:29 am

    Lot of exciting stuff going on in baseball right now, Giants just are not a part of it. I honestly thought if SF could take 3 of 4 from AZ and get couple games closer, catching them for 2nd not out of the question. After last night, just got harder and likely further from reality.
    Yanks boston always a good read on blogs; great theater from both sides. Seen a lot of *clueless joe* comments lately–we’ll see if $220 mil gets you into the playoffs or not.
    Arias and someone will have to be back up IF next year. I dunno about Panik but I’d be interested to see what Abreu can do and what his best defensive position might be. Even healthy Scuts isn’t much of a defender. Like to see what the Adrianza kid brings to the table too. Any of these guys could make someone dispensable or become part of a package.
    Also who besides Pagan and blanco can play CF, or RF for that matter. Perez looked great in CF defensively before he turned hacker. Last night we all saw value of good defensive OF.
    Hector has to have brain trust thinking. If he can hit from both sides of plate (or is better only as platoon) and handle the position defensively (big issue), then what they do with Posey, and how soon that happens will be a big decision.
    I didn’t used to think this way, but I believe his C days are numbered. Less wear and tear, he’ll be stronger physically, able to play more often, and a better hitter. Giants are going to have a hard time getting good hitters to come here. They are just going to be a higher scoring team the more often he is in the LU and not dinged up.

  5. Macdog said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:41 am

    I read an article last night on the Phillies and how their base-running has contributed to their poor play this defense. The article cited a stat I had never seen before — outs on base — and that the Phillies have made 48 outs on base this season, slightly above the league average of 46. In successful years past (2008, ’10, ’11), the Phils were well below the league average.

    And then the Giants last night got thrown out on the bases twice — and should’ve been thrice — by the same outfielder. Now I’m curious to see where the Giants rank in outs on base, but I haven’t been able to find this stat. Anyone know where to find it? I tried MLB.com and baseballreference, but no luck.

    • Macdog said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:42 am

      . . . poor play this season. I have no idea how that became defense.

  6. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:45 am

    l don’t know what happened with Buster, but he fell off the table offensively. Is he tired? Well, he gets enough days off. I’ve been of a mind that he’s best suited to be the catcher. Is he hiding an injury a la Torres? At the rate he’s (not) hitting, maybe a change is in order. The problem is, no other position thrills me either. 3rd? Ehhh. LF? Double ehh. He’s a fair liability at 1st as well.

  7. willedav said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:46 am

    One of the blog posts I read on cbs site Yanks-boston compared David Ortiz and Soriano. Ortiz is a couple months older, both from the DR, and make a ton of $$$. Soriano (from san pedro de macoris) has 40 rbis in as many games for Yanks, and while only hitting .257 his OPS is way up there due to best slugging pct in about 5 yrs. Of course he also got picked off 2b by Sox lhp late in yesterday’s game, and his OF play is highly erratic.
    Ortiz, who has benefit of DHing a lot, has a near 1.000 OPS still and is 5th in the AL in BA at .315. Both of these guys benefit from having home yards that are conducive to good stats and playing in other similar parks like Balt and Toronto within the division. Didn’t Ortiz sit 2 of the 3 games here? Gotta wonder what would happen to him in WS and how much 1b he could play.

  8. eddacker said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:48 am

    fascinating September baseball on right now. With Atlanta, Los Angeles, Detroit and Boston running away in their divisions and the Pirates and As hanging tough. Reminds me of what September baseball used to be like for me in the 70s and 80s. Giant fan first, but baseball fan second.

  9. blade3colorado said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:59 am

    To me, if Posey goes to 1st, he is just another guy (ala’ James Loney without the good glove). I am having a difficult time picturing him playing another position besides catcher.

    • willedav said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:12 am

      I’d agree with both sentences. Belt is solid at 1b and hitting well. Posey just looks dead to me. Couple weeks ago he was hitting ground balls to the IF with RISP, and when he did try and whack one it wound up on the warning track. They owe him a ton of money–it just doesn’t appear to me he can C 120 games and hit like he has. I dunno. Something might have to give.

      • chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 11:16 am

        I am not really worried about Buster long term. He has been banged-up this year…that is going to happen. He did fall off substantially (.265 in July), but his overall numbers are fine (although he is a bit down in HRs and RBIs). Again, there are larger fish to fry in my eyes when thinking about next year and the foreseeable future.

  10. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Yup.

  11. blade3colorado said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Posey and maybe the entire team needs a “real” offseason, sans the playoffs, to “reset” for next season. I think Twin has said something similar as well, i.e., wholesale changes are not necessary. That being said, I do think they need a super sub infield utility player (if not a replacement for Scutaro . . . again, as I said last night – I’m not certain I can stomach another season of his Ironman glove and Herb Washington base running skills) and a free agent/trade outfielder.

    Maybe, the team is worn out emotionally and physically (partially due to last year’s epic run). Dunno . . .

    • blade3colorado said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:50 am

      Speaking of baserunning skills (NOT), that was a doozie that Belt made last night. Oh boy!

    • chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 11:19 am

      The biggest questions to me are the pitching staff.

      Do they sign Tim?
      Do they pick-up Vogey’s offer.

      Even if the DO pick up both, they STILL need another starter.

      They also need to tweak the bullpen.

      IF they re-ink Pence, they still need an OFer, and as I mentioned previously (and I and most will not like this, but I think it is the reality of the situation), is that LF will be a platoon, again. I hope Sabes and crew prove me wrong, there.

  12. zumiee said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:48 am

    In the category of things fans will never understand- NFL players who are in such a hurry to celebrate their touchdown that they throw the ball away before they get to the endzone.

  13. zumiee said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Congrats on a million hits, BF. It’s an awesome Giants blog that’s better than a million dollars! πŸ™‚

  14. twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2013 at 10:46 am

    considering the problems we have had scoring- flavor just had a post yesterday- i don’t have a problem with some aggressive base running. bochy went off on belt but didn’t mention scooter, who made the only indisputable base running blunder…
    i forget what play it was but kuip was incredulous last week when someone ran on parra- successfully. and panda was sitting safely on his ass when parra’s throw arrived at third on the triple. also not mentioned is that if belt puts on the brakes after the *obligatory* big turn ( he *has* to think double out of the box) , parra throws behind him.
    anyway, just my opinion..
    as to buster and changing position, any position change makes him overpaid since positional value is a huge part of why he got the bucks to begin with. but he’s not looking like he’s going to be a terribly durable catcher and he’s only going to get even slower afoot if he continues catching. maybe they should think seriously about moving him to first and trading belt, who will never be appreciated by the brass here. nor will he get the most out of his bat here. they can go after mccann to catch.
    yeah, i know, just california dreaming. when your team is behind a bunch of sherpas and friars, what else is there..

    • snarkk said, on September 6, 2013 at 10:59 am

      I noticed how Bochy ripped Belt, too. I ripped him, and I like Belt, but I’m not his manager. Belt’s not a rookie anymore, so I still don’t get why management goes out of its way to piss on Belt. He’s one of the few guys performing offensively — Bochy should he happy he blasted a shot to right and even had the chance to get thrown out at second. Keep the coaching and yapping on that mistake inside the clubhouse. Yeah, Scuts makes a dumb baserunning error, where’s the ripping there? People can argue all they want about Harbaugh being a jerk, but one thing he NEVER does is rip his own players. I’ll give him that. The media practically begged him to rip AJ Jenkins when the trade was announced, but Harbaugh praised him as a good kid, and wished him well. Bochy should take a lesson…

  15. snarkk said, on September 6, 2013 at 10:47 am

    I appreciate being taken off suicide watch.
    That kind of confidence can’t be bought… πŸ˜‰

  16. snarkk said, on September 6, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Re: Chuck’s 8:45 on Posey, I would not be shocked if after the season the Giants release info via Baggs or somebody that Buster’s been fighting some injury all season, or his ankle needs surgery. Something. Would not be surprised at all. Of course, I’m always suspicious of the Giants and their medicos. Buster gets lots of time off, they’ve clearly babied him. Laskey basically said the same last weekend on Lurie’s show, esentially ripping the Giants and Buster for calling games so Posey doesn’t have to risk getting dinged up. He’s just 26, should be in his prime. I said long ago and many times he wouldn’t catch for very long with SF, and I’m sticking to that. He could work third or first, but defensively would degrade both positions compared to Panda (an in shape one) and Belt…

  17. blade3colorado said, on September 6, 2013 at 11:31 am

    I have no idea how this myth started that Posey is being “babied” or he takes more days off than most starting catchers in MLB. This is totally FALSE.

    Here are some of the top catchers by Hits and At Bats:

    Victor Martinez 157/532 (He primarily DHs and plays 1st base)
    Buster Posey 142/459
    Carlos Santana 119/457
    Joe Mauer 144/445
    Yadier Molina 139/443

    Sheesh, if you don’t believe me – ask Flav who plays fantasy league and KNOWS that all catchers take 1-2 days off a week or play DH/1st base. Catching is a demanding position regardless of how old you are. If you want more examples from around the league, let me know. Not too many play more games than Posey.

    • snarkk said, on September 6, 2013 at 11:38 am

      Blade, I know those numbers. I’ve seen ’em before. I still think they baby him, because they admitted it when they refused to let Posey catch Tim last year. Laskey is a former MLB pitcher, and he works for ComCast. He thinks they baby him, and he works for the friggin’ station that puts on the Giants bcasts…

  18. twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2013 at 11:39 am

    posey is adequate at first and mccann catching and buster at first would be just fine. musing about other off season moves, i think timmy would go for the the 14 miilion or so qualifying offer- his best bet, imo, is to take the one year deal and continue to try to rebuild his value for a big deal after 2014. i’d also go all out for garza. then i trade belt and romo ( hembree or casilla close, the other sets up) to baltimore ( chris davis becomes dh, current closer johnson sucks) for adam jones. re-sign pence.

    2014 lu-
    pagan cf
    scooter 2b- we’re stuck for now
    posey ib
    sandoval 3b
    jones lf
    pence rf
    mccann c
    crawford ss

    starting 5 pitchers-
    madbum
    garza
    cain
    lincecum
    vogie- i still think they’ll pick up his option
    or surkamp

    i can air trade with the best-worst?- of them…

    • chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 11:47 am

      I like it…one of the more realistic possible trades I have seen here. Air trade with the best of ’em…that’s good Michael.

    • Flavor said, on September 6, 2013 at 11:47 am

      So, Belt, Romo and Hembree for Adam Jones? I doubt they do that but I’d be all in on that deal……

      • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2013 at 12:01 pm

        just belt and romo, not hembree. and i think the orioles would do that. throw in escobar or blackburn-not crick, and they’d go for it for sure. but hey- it’s all up in the ‘air’.

      • snarkk said, on September 6, 2013 at 12:09 pm

        I’d be up for that, just Belt and Romo for Jones. I wouldn’t be distraught over losing Romo, that’s why they need to let Hembree loose this last month, see what’s what with him. Jones is signed through 2018 at good coin, but ya gotta pay for talent. Belt would rake at Camden Yards, he’d probably hit 25+ HRs, they wouldn’t lose much power giving up Jones, if any. We desperately need a LFer, and the FA list is likely not going to get it done. A trade is more likely…

      • chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:16 pm

        Agree with Michael…if ya deal Romo, you need Casilla and Hembree going forward until you know what you have with Hembree.

        And I don’t think you get Jones with only Belt and Romo…I think it would take a third player.

    • snarkk said, on September 6, 2013 at 11:53 am

      If I’m Belt, I’d welcome a trade, yesterday. His LH developing pop is wasted at ATT, which we’ve seen already, and management treats him publicly like he gave them herpes. I don’t sign anything long term with the Giants, just get me outta here…

    • WilcoJoe said, on September 6, 2013 at 7:38 pm

      I ran that trade proposal by a co-worker of mine, who is from Baltimore and a diehard O’s fan..He loved it…it actually sounds like one of those rare trades that benefits most team….Nice job Twin!

      • WilcoJoe said, on September 6, 2013 at 7:39 pm

        Both not most

  19. chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Who the hell died and made Bill Fucking Laskey god? I appreciate his knowledge, but I really do not think the Giants “baby” Buster. Hey, Buster had a serious injury, and when you have that kind of money tied up in your FRANCHISE player, it makes absolute sense to be cautious, take care of business, and protect your investment.

    I think Buster just needs a good off-season of rest. I really am not concerned about him going forward. As I posted earlier…IMNSHO there are larger fish to fry between now and next season (pitching, Pence, etc.).

    Here are Buster’s stats for the year (split). Again, he fell of in July, but overall, I think he has had a “decent” year.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=poseybu01&year=2013&t=b

    • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2013 at 11:56 am

      he’s definitely had a *decent* year, pretty good in fact- about what most hoped for from belt. but there’s no way it’s what was expected of him.

    • snarkk said, on September 6, 2013 at 11:57 am

      I’m all for protecting investments, Chi, that’s why I don’t see why they play Pagan now. As for Buster, I’m concerned they overpaid. He had a great year in 2012, but he doesn’t really have a catcher’s body. Consequently, he’s going to wear down, IMO, sooner rather than later. Blade’s point is relevant about paying for positon (I think it was Blade), he’s very good offensively for the C position. If you put him at 3rd or 1b, he’s going to be overpaid for sure. But, he’s the all-American fair haired boy, so the PR motive behind his big signing cannot be overlooked…

      • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2013 at 12:19 pm

        i mentioned positional value but i’m sure others did, as well. for the record, i don’t suspect buster of using peds, nor do i think he got complacent after the big contract. more likely, imo,is that last year was his ‘career’ year and he’ll settle in closer to what he was doing this year. nice stuff, but more like next year’s 12.5, not 2016’s 20 million.

      • snarkk said, on September 6, 2013 at 12:33 pm

        I don’t suspect him, either. Nor do I “not” not suspect him, just like every other MLB player. It could be that was his career year. Buster is good, but he’s not a great defensive catcher. So, if Hector can upgrade his defense, he’d be just fine at catcher, with his hitting improvement and better patience at the plate. This team needs hitting and scoring punch desperately; they need to get creative to make the upgrades necessary. If moving Buster around to another position helps them score more, so be it…

      • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2013 at 12:36 pm

        hey, now there’s an opening for monell this month – he can catch when hector plays first for belt πŸ˜‰

      • chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 2:16 pm

        Whether or not one believes they overpaid for Buster, I am not concerned that they did. It is a done-deal, and there is little I can do about it (unless I wanted to piss and moan about it, but even then, it would not change anything).

  20. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2013 at 11:44 am

    I’m fine with Buster’s playing time. I’m just worried about the absolute about-face when it comes to his power hitting this season. Maybe he’s just tired?

    As far as the WS hangover goes, fuck that. Most of last year’s playoff teams are right back in the hunt. Including the Tigers.

    Frankly, the only races worth watching at this point are the AL West, and the NL Central. The rest are pretty much runaways. Shit, the NL Central will send 3 teams to the playoffs.

    • snarkk said, on September 6, 2013 at 11:48 am

      Exactamente. Virtually all the PO teams from last year are back in the hunt. Giants? Face plant. Why? And, hey, I’ve always said that nobody now in MLB is above suspicion anymore re: PEDs. Buster is not the first guy to get a big contract, and then suddenly the stats go down. Just an observation, not an accusation…

    • chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 11:50 am

      What you talkin’ ’bout playoffs, Willis?

      • chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 11:51 am

        My biggest interest in the playoffs will be watching whoever the hell it is knock the Fucking Dodgers outta it…that’s what I’m talking about.

  21. Macdog said, on September 6, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    FWIW, Baggs offered his take on Buster’s 2nd-half slump during a live chat a couple days ago:

    “As for Posey, I think he’s just tired. He’s never been in a losing environment. And last year, he went from a winter of hard-core rehab straight into a full season that lasted all the way to another draining World Series. I think it’s only natural to have a bit of a let-up when the team begins playing out the string in July. He’s never had to do it before, and he’s been worked hard.”

  22. Bozo said, on September 6, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Man, I sure wish I was landing in SF right about now. I know youse guys are going to have a grand time. I would like to have met y’all, but suspect I would have been 86ed from the group about two seconds after my trade Posey to the Braves proposal. Yup, I’ve been thinking why not get a young starter, a corner OFer and either a RP, bench guy or prospect for Georgia’s own MVPeach. Yup, a vote to keep Belt and Panda while trading Buster would have gotten me the ol’ bums rush for sure.
    Have fun Flappers.

  23. zumiee said, on September 6, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    It’s getting very close to a million. It’s like watching the coolest odometer ever! πŸ™‚

  24. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Tired it is . . .

  25. snarkk said, on September 6, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Does the millionth hit/post get a date with Daisy? I’m going to serially post now…

  26. chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    John – I think most respect you enough that they would have just told you to shut the hell up and have another cocktail! πŸ˜‰

    Trade Buster? I cannot get behind that one….

    • Bozo said, on September 6, 2013 at 2:25 pm

      I was thinking kind of like the Matt Williams trade as far as improving multiple positions while degrading one. The proposal got shot down in another group I’m in as well, probably for good reason (I still like the idea, though). Cheers chi.

  27. chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    So, I see the Flap popped the 1 million mark. Do we know who made the millionth post?

    • chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 3:18 pm

      I think it would have to be one of those “a trade you cannot refuse.” The way Posey talked about it being an honor to wear the Giants uni, and how he expects to be here his entire career (and how some of the execs gushed about him)…this all from the latest iteration of “Inside the Clubhouse”…I just don’t see how it could happen. And I don’t think those running the show in Atlanta would make such a trade, either.

      Ya never know, though…but I just don’t see it happening.

    • Bozo said, on September 6, 2013 at 3:44 pm

      I’m pretty sure the 1 mil mark was you buddy, it was at 1 million and 1 when I replied to you. I think that means a cocktail or two will be headed your way tomorrow.

      • chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 4:18 pm

        Hmmm…not sure about that. When I went on to reply to your last post, it was at a Mil and 8. Regardless…just pretty fucking cool and amazing that this site has had a million hits. A cause for all Flappers to pause, and raise their beverage of choice with a cheer for Big Flavor…Flapper Numero Uno.

      • Flavor said, on September 6, 2013 at 5:01 pm

        it doesn’t update every hit, I think it’s every hour or so.

  28. twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    1. Angel Pagan (S) CF

    2. Marco Scutaro (R) 2B

    3. Brandon Belt (L) 1B

    4. Hunter Pence (R) RF

    5. Pablo Sandoval (S) 3B

    6. Joaquin Arias (R) SS

    7. Hector Sanchez (S) C

    8. Brett Pill (R) LF

    9. Yusmeiro Petit (R) P

  29. Flavor said, on September 6, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Dammit, I missed the the millionth hit. Saw Blade at the gym this afternoon, he’s excited, as I am, about Flapalooza 3.0 tomorrow! I hope tonight isn’t a high scoring game, those are always followed by duds the next day. And I can enjoy a pitchers duel easily but tomorrow I want to see a bunch of Giants running around the bases, balls bouncing up against the wall, the crowd going crazy. And I want to see Brandon Belt hit a home run tomorrow. In fact, I’m feeling it and I am predicting a bomb from both Belt and Sandoval. Pagan will hit a triple (if he plays). Hunter Pence will do something 3 times, either strike out 3 times or get 3 hits. That vision isn’t coming to me as clearly as the other ones……

    • willedav said, on September 6, 2013 at 6:22 pm

      I had the number 3 in mind for pence too (hope it’s not 3 dribblers to left side of IF)…as in 3 yrs. $50 mil. would you do that?

      • Flavor said, on September 6, 2013 at 7:09 pm

        Yes, I would do that. Max 3 years

  30. Macdog said, on September 6, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Too bad Bob Watson wasn’t here to get the 1 millionth hit.

  31. snarkk said, on September 6, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Just heard on the pre game that the Giants have lost 20 out of their last 29 home games. Let’s stop that nonsense tonight, and tomorrow for sure…

  32. willedav said, on September 6, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Chuck, in answer to your ? early in thread, I’m talking about potential replacements for Pagan and Pence in CF and RF among the kids. Pence almost jacked himself in Rockieland, and both go balls out which means they could get hurt and miss time. Obviously, Torres and Blanco were less than good answer along with Pill, Tanaka and so far at least, Kiesch as LFers this season.
    To be fair to Blanco he wasn’t supposed to play as much as he was forced too with Pagan being out so long. Pence likely gets in the range of $50 mil for 3 yrs, and could leave town if offered more, which is what usually happens. I’d use the rest of the month just to see if anyone else looks like they could handle either spot in worst case scenario.

    • Flavor said, on September 6, 2013 at 7:12 pm

      WillieD– I’d do 3 yrs but I just think he’s gonna get 5. I don’t really give a shit about the per year cheese, it’s the years I look at. 3 for pence, ok. More? Not if I’m the gm

  33. Flavor said, on September 6, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    This Y-Pet thing is confusing me. I don’t want him next year for easy reasons. Yet I’m looking at the possible 5 next year and I want him.
    As Giants fans, we have to readjust our 1 thru 5 expectations. If we can get a Gaudin or two, sprinkled in with a Y–Pet, and they’re throwing strikes…. now you’re talking about what the rest of the league covets at the 4/5.
    If we readjust down to the league expectation, thrn Gaudin and Petit start to look really fucking good at 4/5

    • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:16 pm

      i found gaudin hard to believe and petit even more. someone commented that maybe it’s rags and bochy who turn these guys around, maybe it’s true. there’s no better way to expain it. petit has been 11 years in the minors and had very little success when he’s had his shots in the bigs. vogie hadn’t even turned it around in japan. rags has gone from a popular firing candidate to an untouchable coaching icon. he might coach here forever.

    • James said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:23 pm

      But that also demands that 1-3 are as good as their reputation, or the team needs to score a shitload of runs.

  34. Bozo said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    A shot up the middle works for me.

  35. chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    I would love to see Gaudin back next year, but I think he’ll be highly sought after. And if the Giants do bring him back, I think he adds more value in the pen.

    Hey, I thought I heard rumor earlier that James has new data that proves the whole reason for this year’s meltdown is Belt’s base running.

    • James said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:28 pm

      It would be too complicated to explain in this forum in one night, but trust me, once I make the case, congressional acton will follow.

      • chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:43 pm

        πŸ˜‰

    • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:42 pm

      i don’t want to divulge his title and place of employment since he might not like lurkers knowing it, but james has some mighty impressive credentials. it’s tough to dismiss his prowess with ‘the numbers’. well, it would be tough for any other band of basking misfits, we fight him at every turn…so what if he’s right. the bastard πŸ˜‰

  36. chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    And to Flavor’s earlier comment…I would prefer Pence for three too, and possibly a club option with a low $$ buyout.

    Damn, Petit is dealing tonight. WTF…

    • SanDawg said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:43 pm

      Yes he is Chi. Yes. He. Is.

  37. chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    Wow…hell of a catch by Perez…if that kid can figure it out at the plate…

  38. blade3colorado said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    I am kicking myself for hanging onto Matt Garza in 2 of my fantasy leagues. As I have said here a number of times, HE SUCKS IN THE AMERICAN LEAGUE. Four games giving up 4 runs and two games giving up 5. I cited the reasons why I expected him to fail, but I wont repeat them here and bore you. Suffice to say – HE SUCKS!

    Five runs already in 4 innings. The only good news about his suckage is that Trumbo, who I also own, hit a 3 run HR off of him.

    • chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:48 pm

      Hey Steve, I’ve heard, somewhere, that Garza sucks…

    • SanDawg said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:55 pm

      If it’s any consolation, I played the Ravens defense last night.

      • blade3colorado said, on September 6, 2013 at 8:57 pm

        Dawg, thank you for the “bone,” especially seeing that Manning scored the 4th highest Fantasy League score ever in the history of FL football. πŸ˜‰

      • blade3colorado said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:06 pm

        Dawg, I decided not to play FL football this season because of the difficulty of determining last minute injuries; the running game essentially being a “two back committee” vs. the old days, when you were fairly certain that one dude would rule the roost; and, having All World receivers like Arizona’s Fitzgerald being thrown to drooling idiots. The last straw was having Adrian Peterson on my team two years ago and him sucking just about every game that the Vikings played.

  39. Flavor said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    fiddling around on other shit tonight, haven’t seen the tv tonight. what’s going on?

    • blade3colorado said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:06 pm

      No hitter. Ho hum.

      • chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:12 pm

        Perfecto…

    • SanDawg said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:08 pm

      Stop fiddling around with other shit and turn the TV on.

  40. twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    this would be one of the coolest things in giants’ history.

  41. James said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Reet petit . . . .

  42. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    UFB

  43. blade3colorado said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Pence HR, which is wonderful, followed by . . . Ta Da . . . First pitch pop up by Panda.

  44. manny said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Now this is excitement, going into top of 9th.

  45. SanDawg said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    Would this cheapen Cain’s Perfecto just a little bit? For me it would.

    • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:32 pm

      well, it would have come against a much better team.

  46. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    Not for me. 33 years between no nos? You take ’em when you get ’em.

  47. Macdog said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww man!

  48. chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    Wow!

  49. chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Unreal…

  50. SanDawg said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    I’m not that bummed. See my 9:24.

  51. James said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Flapaloozers would not have wanted to miss a perfect game by one night anyhow, right? 😦

    • SanDawg said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:30 pm

      That was playing into my calculus as well.

  52. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Wow. That’s just nuts

  53. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Hell of a game. Kuip doiesn’t know the score.

    • SanDawg said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:32 pm

      I’ve had it with Kuip. Wouldn’t mind a bit if they booked a ticket for him on the David Glass Express.

      • snarkk said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:42 pm

        Now THAT’s Giants knowledge.
        Dawg, do you remember the microphonic artistry of Art Eckman?…

      • SanDawg said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:51 pm

        I remember the name, but I can’t remember his broadcasting style. Glass, unfortunately, I can remember quite clearly.

      • James said, on September 6, 2013 at 10:00 pm

        Art, for Christ’s sake, why did Bill Thompson forsake us?

      • snarkk said, on September 6, 2013 at 10:25 pm

        Eckman’s style?
        The one year he was here, his style was stilted, amateurish, and embarrassing. Other than that, great…

  54. blade3colorado said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    Great effort by Pence to almost rob Chavez of the single. Another foot and he has it.

  55. blade3colorado said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Isn’t Hank Greenberg’s kid being groomed for the Giants? Need to do a Fresno call up for announcers.

  56. snarkk said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    Bummer.
    I was rootin’ for Petit, big time.
    Hey, a little excitement, that’s cool.
    Whatever Petit’s figured out at his age, give it to Voggie and Tim…
    Nice Game!…

  57. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    Doug Greenwald

    • snarkk said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:43 pm

      Doug Greenwald would put me to sleep after a pot of Peet’s strongest coffee…

      • SanDawg said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:54 pm

        …of course, you probably would have also had 6 or 7 Makers Sodas in your system as well!

        I’m fired up to have a Makers & Soda with Snarkk at Ye Olde Public Haus tomorrow!

      • chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:55 pm

        Yeah, I’ve heard Doug Greenwald, and I have heard enough…

  58. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    Damn. That woulda been awesome, but a great game nonetheless. 95 pitches is fucking DEALING.

  59. twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    he deserved it. i missed a little bit early- was there a hard hit ball before the hit? and what was kuip going on about parra maybe bunting? he bunts in the ninth, he’d need a body guard to get out of the ballpark.

  60. unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    No shit, Twin. Gibson woulda kicked his ass if he tried it. Perez made a nice diving catch in the 6th on a line drive to left. That’s about the hardest hit ball I saw.

    Dawg, I think this one would have been much more impressive than Cain’s mainly because the D-Backs are loaded with hitters, while Cain was facing the Astros.

    • chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:57 pm

      There was another to mid-center, but it wasn’t hit hard. The one Perez snared was the only one that was close to a hit. Awesome game. His first CG shutout…but to be that fucking close…wonder how that fills rolling around in the old noggin’…

    • SanDawg said, on September 6, 2013 at 9:57 pm

      ..which helps me make my point that it would have cheapened Cain’s.
      “Cain through a perfect game for you guys? Big deal, so did some guy you picked up off the scrap heap. AND he did against a team that can actually hit as opposed to a AAA squad.”

      • unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2013 at 10:02 pm

        I actually feel 180 degrees opposite. To do it against a team like the D-Backs is a hell of a lot more impressive than doing it against the Lastros. No matter who you are. David Clyde slid right back into obscurity. Petit? Who knows?

      • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2013 at 10:07 pm

        chuck, i *think* you’re misunderstanding. i believe that dawg is saying that petit’s was more impressive.

      • SanDawg said, on September 6, 2013 at 10:10 pm

        I was.

      • twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2013 at 10:22 pm

        dawg- i agree, but bf’s prediction lent some extra drama to matt’s. as in ‘ i can’t believe that lucky sob called it’ πŸ˜‰

      • unca_chuck said, on September 6, 2013 at 10:24 pm

        Then I don’t think it cheapens Cain’s by any stretch. They all stand alone. The LastrosLike I said, you go 33 years between no-no’s and then bunch a few together? Enjoy. 130 years for a perfecto and get 2 in a year? It woulda been spectacular.

  61. James said, on September 6, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    24 perfect games in history, only 12 blown with one out in the 9th. Petit’s is the rarer accomplishment! Statistically, this makes perfect sense, of course. πŸ™‚

  62. SanDawg said, on September 6, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Maybe I’m just being bitter. This Ravens defense deal has been bringing me down all day. Some of the teachers even leaked the story to a couple of freshmen, who taunted me about it during bus duty.
    My team is actually in the red heading into the weekend. I’d be in better shape if I had not played a defense at all. How much does a guy have to bear?

  63. snarkk said, on September 6, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Tonight is reason 2128 why baseball is a great game.
    In the dusk of a dogmeat season, a bright, shining light appears reflecting a spectacular, individual performance from an unexpected source.
    In baseball, every game is a new experience, a new adventure…

    • chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 10:50 pm

      Well said…totally agree.

  64. twinfan1 said, on September 6, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    and for boob afficinadoes, mrs. petit’s are not exactly petit. big girl, in a good way.

    • chipower9 said, on September 6, 2013 at 10:46 pm

      Curves in all the right places. I am sure she will console him tonight…poor guy.

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