Tough to watch things wind down like this, and I was only half watching/half reading latest from John Lescroart whom I really enjoy. The torture games I guess I’ve become immune to; as long as giants get good pitching and stay in a gme, which they have from SPs not named vogs, doesn’t bother me as much.
Nice to see young guys/subs make something happen. Abreu cracked one (rarity for a giant backup IF), and Adrianza made a super play on Puig whether he was really out or not. Perez plays a nice OF.
Dodgers pitching tho, is sobering. Ryu is their
third best behind Cranky and Kershaw, and his ERA is under 3.00. Plus he can hit. Wilson looks like he is getting it together, and Jansen is very tough.
Twin and James had a nice back and forth a few days ago, and both seemed to admit matching up with LA on paper seems unlikely even for next spring. I like what I have seen out of the SPs lately, tho Cain’s penchant for giving up untimely bombs, even at home, is unsettling. Giants have handled division well and I still don’t think big shakeup is in order…but losing all those games to chump teams outside the division and playing under .500 at home smacks of not being mentally ready and thinking your uni will win for you.
Just get it over with, already, BUT make damned sure that you place ANYWHERE but last. I just really don’t want the Giants to be one of the only teams to EVER go Champs to chumps (last).
The Dodgers……shows what big money can buy. The post-season should be interesting. On last nights tv news the Mercury apparently is selling it’s mighty headquarters for a location that wasn’t forthcoming. I hope it’s not a six room suite. Perhaps a broom closet somewhere…..anywhere…..how the mighty have fallen.
Perhaps a fleet of Nipper vans.
I’m with Chi. I’m a Giants fan, but seriously, I’ve seen just about enough of this. If last night were the last game of the season, I wouldn’t cry. But for giving minor leaguers some time to show what they can do, there’s nothing left to play for. Avoid injury is the watch word. Posey has fallen off a cliff, now he’s making defensive errors. They’ve shut down Bum, which is a good idea and Zito starts tonight — so Bochy has officially waived the white flag. I guess they’re starting Zito just so Bochy can pull him off the mound to a round of applause before he gets lit up. Chancy proposition. Maybe the Zitman will conjure up a good 4 innings, followed by applause mainly for showing up the last 6 years. Murph should secretly retire number 75, so nobody will ever be jinxed by it…
At least this LA series has some sizzle to it, though generally meaningless. Last night was a good game, though mitigated by the usual Giants scoring impotence. What was the reason for Cain hitting Puig? Just for the heck of it, or was there a past transgression I’m forgetting? No retaliation by LA — interesting.
Am I being an old mossback here, or is it really stupid to keep throwing strikes to Puig on the first pitch of his ABs? I think it’s stupid — and says something about the Giants having their heads up their asses on how to play ball. Pitchers generally don’t throw strikes to Pablo, for obvious reasons. When you know a guy is going to swing at pitch #1, why is Posey’s target and why is the pitch anywhere near the strike zone?…
I agree on Puig. Even with the short time the dude has been in the majors, everyone knows he is a free-swinger, and is going to swing at the first pitch. No way in hell that first pitch should be anywhere near the strike zone. This has been a trend for the past few games where we played the Bums. You think they would have learned by now.
regarding the Posey shit throw last night: Obviously, that was a terrible mental lapse but Belt’s was nearly as bad. He put forth a most half hearted effort, it looked like he was barely trying to catch it.
Like Oracle, I don’t put much stock in what Belt looks like and his effort. Belt has saved a ton of outs this year with his glove, lots of shit short-hop throws from Pablo he’s rescued, for example. Since Posey makes about 30X what Belt is making, I’ll give most of the blame to Posey for that one. And, Posey better get in shape in the offseason. If he wants to stay catcher, making the scratch he’s making means you don’t crash and burn and hit like a second baseman (BA .242, OPS .624, 2 HRs, 16 RBIs) after the AS Break. In that same stretch, Lucroy of the BrewCrew has caught 8 more games than Posey, with a BA .288, OPS .805, and 5 HRs, 30 RBIs. Ramos of the Nats has caught 2 fewer games, with BA .269, OPS .756 and 11 HRs, 39 RBIs…
posey threw a short arm- change up -dying quail. it was similar to a catcher getting crossed up, but worse. belt could not have expected the duck fart that dribbled up the line. the fault was all on posey.
looked like he was trying lean forward to keep his foot on the base to me and ball just never quite got there. But you do have to catch it regardless.
To Willie’s earlier post re “torture” games, here is the monthly breakdown of Giants runs scored versus runs allowed matched to the Dodger’s pitching instead of the Giants’:
April 115 108
May 128 114
June 90 118
July 78 72
Aug 97 68
Sept 94 89
That could have been a team still playing for the NL west title right now. I especially find that over 500 July pretty funny
So much for the formatting . . . the second column is the Dodger’s runs allowed per month.
Posey’s lack of production in the second half about sums up the Giants season. His play last night is the last feeble attempt to compete at this level for this season. Bad performance…..bad season. Period.
Well, with bochy fessing up to his own mistakes this year, and harbaugh spending more time jumping up and down with spittle flying than, you know- coaching, our mvp catcher with a whitey-like second half, kap looking confused and ‘at sea’- damn it, we need a good ‘game manager’ around here😉
3 homers for Buster since June. I mean really. What happened? is this yet another guy playing through some undisclosed injury? It’s baffling how no one (nationally or locally) really talks about his massive cratering this year. Weak-ass fly balls and GIDPs to short are about all we get out of him in the past 3 months.
I’ve said this before, Chuck, that I wouldn’t be surprised to hear about some “undisclosed injury” to Posey after the season is done. Of course, I always suspect medical issue hocus pocus with the Giants. Or, his ankle was/is bothering him. He’s supposedly tired, but if he’s tired now at 26, how is he going to catch and earn that contract when he’s 29? He’s not getting $18 million a year to be tired in the 2nd half and hit worse than a journeyman infielder. It’s time the Golden Boy gets as much concern over his play as Pablo, especially since Golden Boy makes way more. What if he played in a steam bath city like St. Louis or Chicago or Atlanta? Would he be “tired” by mid-June?…
I hope that Posey’s numbers are at least in part attributable to the broken finger. As for his throw, he probably got caught between soft tossing and firing the ball to first. And Belt was equally unsure about what to do with that strange throw.
James, Posey’s numbers were way down after the AS break well before the broken finger on Sept 5. If that problem is contributing to his hitting woes since then, I say he shouldn’t be playing until it heals. Let Hector get the reps, and bring his defensive skills up while catching MLB pitching…
You beat me to it snarkk. Regardless, if the finger was a problem, then he needs to speak up to Bochy, where they can shut him down for the season. By the by, this is another reason why you don’t want Posey moving to 1st base . . . As bad as his 2nd half numbers were for a so-called All Star catcher, they would be absolutely putrid for a 1st baseman.
schulman had a recent piece where buster said something along the lines about being worn down ‘Posey came as close as he ever will to conceding that he is worn down after all he has gone through since 2010: two seasons extended by a month of postseason, a harrowing leg injury and an entire winter of rehabilitation, and then 2013.’ he intimated that he had not done enough strength training and said he planned to boost his strength training for 2014. obviously he needs to do that and it’s fair to ask why he didn’t bust his ass to be in tip top shape *this* year after receiving that contract. i don’t go for the notion that a guy like posey should get more slack than others because of his previous contributions, however extraordinary they were. the opposite should be true- especially after receiving the huge contract, setting him up for several lifetimes.
Posey was staying pretty steady around the 850-60 OPS mark for a long stretch. You have to be productive to maintain that number, even if it is below expectations. A little disappointing, but ok. The drop in September has been pretty marked.
posey ops since july:
Yes, aware of the splits, and appreciate that the drop from 940 to 850 is really at the heart of why this is a down year for Posey. Between 8/11 – 9/11 his OPS remained unchanged at 860. The fact that he didn’t stabilize (or get hot again) and dropped to the lower 800s instead of doing enough to maintain what was still a pretty decent number is what’s disconcerting.
well, more disturbing is 3 home runs and 13 total extra base hits since July 1.
There are 5 teams in the top heavy NL with 90 Ws. Each one is in top 5 of fewest earned runs allowed:
Next is Nats at 566 and they have league’s next best record 84-74. I don’t think this is a coincidence.
There are a bunch of teams in NL around 70 W mark, and here are their earned runs allowed:
AZ is an outlier having given up more runs but are 2nd in league with 170 bombs: he won’t win but Golds is deserving of MVP votes.
SF can win torture games, as they did last week, with good pitching, D and timely hitting. Without it, forget it, imo.
Dead Team Walking? I don’t even think we had that many walks. Dead Team Crawling in Death Valley.
post of the day . . .
I’m not absolving Giants hitters, all of them, for the abysmal run totals posted in title of today’s thread.
but they are 6-4 in last 10 despite those numbers.
since the beginning of the met’s series, worst first ( by batting average), ‘regulars’ only:
More like Fresneck Row . . .
And on a separate and totally unrelated topic…Oracle Team USA just completed one of the biggest comebacks in sports history to win the America’s Cup. I don’t typically follow this, but the past few days as Team USA crept closer and closer, it became quite entertaining to watch. Pretty amazing to watch those huge catamarans skim across the bay at 50 MPH.
Congrats to Team Oracle USA.
Snarkk, you’re an attorney- *i* am the oracle. take care of that, will ya? i’ll send you a check when i begin receiving ellison’s payment(s). thanks.
Don’t you mean “THE” oracle? (Insert gay-assed smiley face, here.)
actually, i think snarkk originally dubbed me ‘oracle’ sarcastically, if that’s the proper adverb. i *think* it’s become a friendly moniker over time…
Correct on both assertions. Unfortunately, I think Larry secured the Oracle trade name and trademark long before I got on this blog. Not sure whether he OK’d use of same with the spirits of the original Delphic priestesses who divined the future and counseled the supplicants…
America’s Cup is a non event in my mind. A few Multi-billion dollar corporations* spending millions of dollars on sailing boats. By the by, how many entrants were entered total? A half dozen? More or less? If less, some competition. Meh.
*Oh wait! Corporations are people too. Meanwhile, House Republicans or the “Crazy Party” as Paul Krugman and I like to call them, passed a bill on Thursday that would drastically cut federal food stamps and throw 3.8 million Americans out of the program in 2014. Yes, our priorities are in order. Uhh huh.
I blame SCOTUS.
I volunteered for Obama’s first campaign and I blame him as well. Actually, a pox on all of them.
Regardless, I enjoyed watching those big catamarans hauling ass across the SF Bay.
thoughts on how it goes with zito tonight? a token appearance ? an inspiring farewell? a *win*? disaster? bochy is fielding the best available line up tonight. despite my known feelings towards zito’s performance over the years, he’s a good man and he did come through down the stretch and in the postseason last year. but more impressive to me and what speaks to his mettle as a man was how he handled being left off the 2010 postseason roster. classy- and it’s classy of bochy to sit the kids for his final start. i hope he blows the bums away…
1. Angel Pagan (S) CF
2. Gregor Blanco (L) LF
3. Brandon Belt (L) 1B
4. Buster Posey (R) C
5. Hunter Pence (R) RF
6. Pablo Sandoval (S) 3B
7. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
8. Tony Abreu (S) 2B
9. Barry Zito (L) P
Looking for a good performance from Barry, but truthfully, not expecting much.
One can hope, anyway . . .
Just hope they score more the 4. Isn’t that the magic number?
Listening to the game last night, Scully mentioned that last season when scoring 6 or more runs the Giants were 35-1, while this season they were only 25-5 and while at first this might not sound like a big difference, that’s 14 games in the standings…
note: not positive on the exact numbers, but just remembered Vin talking about this stat after seeing your comment.
Somehow, some way, I think Zito finds his mojo tonight and tosses a splendid game in a worthy farewell performance. (I type those words but don’t believe them, not any of them, at all. But I still hope so.)
Nice 9 pitch first inning. Would be cool as hell to see him get the W tonight.
well, Zito is at home at least. So he’s at least got a shot to fire off a decent performance. His road games this year are probably the thing I will lament most about his time here in SF. I believe playing sports successfully is much more mental than it is physical. And I think Zito lost an edge he had at the end of the World Series last year. It might have had to do with motivation, maybe he got complacent, I don’t know.
But going 0-9 in 11 road starts has to be influenced by psychology and/or a poor mental approach to preparing for his road starts. He has a 9.56 ERA on the road in 2013. It’s 3.71 at home. I don’t care how weird you think Zito is or if you believe that his starts, whether they’re good or bad, are totally random.
That split alone proves that his starts are not totally random.
well, this year is a weird one even for zito. and while he was shizo as to his home and away starts early in the year, after june he was poor home *and* away. and one doesn’t expect a 14 year vet to have to have problems in preparing for road starts.
Hence my comment. 14 year vets shouldn’t crater on the road and pitch well at home. And his splits are his splits, 13 home starts 11 road starts. How he did in sections of the season are not important. His home splits are good his road splits are horrific.
To me, it’s clearly a mental issue, whether it’s his approach, his mindset, whatever. He’s never had these type of road problems over the course of an entire season. I’d wager no one has had splits like this over the course of nearly an entire season.
monthly splits are important- especially when he was bad and home and away after june. it indicates that he totally cratered the last 3 months of the season. after june he had exactly two decent outings 4 ip 7 hits 1 run. and 2 ip in relief where he wasn’t scored on. his other 10 outings were awful, home and away.
I see your point, but I disagree.
fine. my initial post on his start tonight, with the line up, relects my feelings about his final start. i wish him well tonight and in whatever he does in the next stage of his life..
Game 157, the magic number for us is 5. Five more games and it’s what’ll we do next year, countdown to ST, Who’s hot and who’s cold in ST, that’s our starting five? And yes, football, there is always winter football.
Bye Mr. Zito. Take care man.
as in Burning Man?
I hope Zito does well, I don’t wish the guy ill.
I’m more looking forward to Tim’s last start at home. It very well could also be his last in an SF uni. I’m handicapping his return to the Giants at 70-30 — against…
I give it a 50-50 chance. I actually think he will be back next year.
I like “Modern Family.” Season premier on in a few minutes. It was preceded by the premier of a new show, “Back in the Game,” with James Caan. It was undeniably one of the worst efforts in the annals of television history. Brutally breaking bad. James Caan should be ashamed.
Baseball players are idiots. I just watched the Carlos Gomez bomb off Maholm today in Atlanta that triggered a bunch of posturing and ejections.
Here’s why I support Gomez:
1) he got hit by Malholm earlier this year
2) Maholm is always among the league leaders in HBP.
3) while Gomez did admire his Hr, it’s clear on the audio that McCann screams “fucking run!”. And then Freeman starts visibly talking shit. Gomez wasn’t the first guy to start firing verbal bullets in that dust up
4) fucking MCCann blocks Gomez from traveling to home plate which is a clear, obvious provocation.
And Gomez gets ejected but McCann doesn’t?
That’s total fucking bullshit. And borderline racist. Just my take
I’m a big Barry Zito fan. Don’t need to re-hash our takes on him, we have our perspectives on this and it’s not gonna change.
I’m stoked to watch this last start by him. 7 years, a fucking hell of a lot of highs and lows– as a Giants fan, especially since Curt Flood, we don’t get a ton of guys who have pulled that uniform on 162 games a year for 7 years.
I will give him a standing 0 from my couch as he takes the mound and again as he leaves it, regardless of the outcome
And considering Bozo’s comment above, I’ll give Barry my highest form of goodbye, I don’t say this to everyone: “safe travels”.
well, i already wished him well tonight and hoped he blows away the bums in his finale. i have no intention of rehashing anything.
Mrs. James and I decided to honor barryZ with our presence at the park tonight. On behalf of all Flappers, we will stand, clap and cheer when he exits.
I will take that, regardless of your intent. Clap one extra time for me, ok? I’d appreciate it.
Flav, what is the status of your pay leagues? Big casino coming in?
Things could not be working out any better. It’s gonna come down to the last 3 days (probably, unless my guys keep dominating).
The thing I’m most proud about, regardless of if I come in 2nd, is the way I managed the last 3 weeks of the season–total genius.
Way to go. Happy for you. Hope you get the money as well.
Oh, and I’m just talking about 1 of my NFbc leagues. I was in 2, the other one was a mid pack finish.
I was a minority owner in a $2500 entry lg. I only had 10% and could care less about that except it’s The Boney One’s team and he’s my main man so I’m stoked for him. $2500 entry, 15 teams = $20k for first place. And he beat their asses by 20 Pts. Total domination.
Next season, I am all for Crawford in a platoon or losing his job if he can’t hit better than he has this season.
Fuck Yeah…THAT is one of the biggest parts of the Giants that has been missing…give me a triple shot of timely hitting with a Lagunitas back!
Well, if this game follows the regular script, that’s our offense for the night.
Letting Z start tonite is one more example of what a class guy Bochy is and why guys like to play for him. Like any 10 yr old kid, Zito just wants to pitch. Class move by Bochy, and by fans to cheer his final efforts.
Leaving Pence in. No he isn’t going to break Ripken’s record, but he plays hard despite results sometimes not being pretty. Let him play everyday if he wants to.
Getting Kickham a chance to get himself right, lower his ERA some and get mlb hitters out.
Letting Perez play ball in front of friends and family in his hometown. He made some things happen he can tell his grandkids about.
This stuff might be irrelevant to us but I guarantee it means a lot to those involved.
Abreu has whacked a couple balls pretty dang hard off LA already this series. Not sure where he could play, but he has shown some (very occasional) pop in his bat.
Fantastic point about Bochy and how rad he is. He passed on Petit and gave a guy who was directly responsible for one of our 2 WS’s a start tonight.
I applaud Bochy, this was a classy move by a guy who “gets it”.
Great post, Willie. I agree. RE: Abreu, one of the things I believe has to happen next year is a stronger bench. He could possibly fill that bill. It’s going to be an interesting off-season.
And as someone else mentioned earlier (Twin?), not only did Bochy give Zito the start, but he put the best possible line-up for a win behind him. Kudos to Bruce, big time. And Zito is looking great so far. Get Barry a W!
this would have madbum’s start, petit pitched sunday. what willie listed showing bochy’s class is certainly not irrelevant to me, and probably not to most everyone here.
Pav was on Knbr the other day saying he thought Zito would get Petit’s start, that’s why I said that. But you’re obviously correct.
What’s that 4 run stat thing for Zito? Time for that to kick in post haste
Mt. Zito is smoking, eruption is predicted.
Nice catch by the fat man.
Abreu with another clutch play…
Boch, I know Mr. Zito has run out of rabbits and top hats, so what? Let him go until he says he can’t. Fuck it dude, it’s all good.
POTD without any fuckin doubt.
BANG! Yeah, Panda.
Pablo getting healthy tonight too, nice. Perfect send off for Zito if they can support him getting a win vs The Art Dealers
A little help there from Pablo to try and get Zito through the 5th.
“I get by with a little help from my ring-wearing friends . . . “
Now that’s a hell of a cup.
those extra 2 runs leaves bochy with some leeway with zito. if he gets out of the 5th with the lead, i’d send him back out for the 6th, then take him out for his ovation…
so much for that. bochy blew this.
Hey, is that Zumiee in the seats behind home? Big dude, orange cap, talkin’ shit.
Does sort of look like him, but the few times I have seen the guy, he seems out of character for Zum…
Well they aren’t gonna give it to the bullpen but I wish they would. Really want him to not fuck up this game and lose this win. I want Zito to go out with a win.
Respectful job, Barry!
Zito is set-up for the W. Hope like hell the team carries though and nails it down for him.
Break from the game, the opera singer, Renée Fleming, just kicked ass on Letterman’s top 10 list. Kicked ass.
nice job on inserting the accent mark
I cheated, Pawlie, it was a copy and paste job. Are you watching Letterman? The Robin Williams tribute to Jonathan Winters was also very cool.
no; tired as hell; should be asleep
They’re going to perform this comedy of errors right to the very end.
take care; g’night
Scores. Just dropping in.
Belt’s out? Crap call, and that’s it for me.
Giants send off Zito out with W. Take care, Barry.
Adios, Zits. You went out with a win, that’s cool.
If you heard the Kruk and Kuip pregame radio show tonite, you’ve now heard perhaps the most incredible hoovering of a player ever sent over the airwaves. You’d think Zits was the second coming of Cy Young and Mother Theresa the way K&K boys fellated his last 6 years on the Giants. It was embarrassing and amazing at the same time…
BOO HOO! sniff…….no more Zito……how can we make it?
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no, above homeplate, upper deck near the rail. We had a great view of the HR. The decision to go was last minute, walkup tickets, etc. with an 8 year old kid I didn’t feel like moving anywhere better. It was fine. Two ancient guys who had season tickets up there came over to talk during the game. One claimed he’d been in the park with his own father the day Marichal brained Roseboro. My son asked a lot of questions about that on the ride home. He researched Giants history. He now wears an orange Marichal jersey to Friday games. (Without fail, at some point while he’s on his way to the game a fan in Giants gear will stop him and say, hey, nice jersey. But who’s Marichal?)