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Climbing Up The Standings

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on September 28, 2013

Macdog said, on September 27, 2013 at 11:12 pm (Edit)

Y’all have the Quest for 3rd. I had the Drive for 75! And with tonight’s win, the Giants have overtaken the 74-88 Cincinnati Reds of 1991 and will not be known as the Worst World Series Defending Champion That Actually Tried. But why stop there? Let’s keep drivin’ and pass the ’86 Royals (76-86) and ’67 Orioles (76-85) and try to catch the 2003 Angels (77-85).


I woke up wondering about where we stood compared to past WS champs and I find out that MacDog has done all the research for me. Well done, my man!

Personally, I care more about not ending up in last place in the NL West which we have mathematically avoided thanks to the Colorado Rockies and Blade’s early season prediction. But sure, let’s finish with 77 wins. The more the better.


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  1. tedspe said, on September 28, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Worst World Series Defending Champion That Actually Tried.
    Wow, Macdog. Talk about sabermetrics

    • James said, on September 28, 2013 at 9:03 am

      Numbers do measure the effort, Ted; they’re just not baseball stats.

    • Macdog said, on September 28, 2013 at 9:05 am

      Yes Ted, this does not include the ’98 Florida Marlins, who followed their World Series title by going 54-108 after the team was gutted.

      And I too am glad the Giants won’t finish in the dank and dungy basement.

      • Flavor said, on September 28, 2013 at 9:08 am

        nobody remembers who finishes 2nd…or 2nd to last.

  2. willedav said, on September 28, 2013 at 9:16 am

    SS has been an issue for SF for quite a while. Uribe had zero range, about equal to Rent, and these guys were followed by Font and Tejada. Adrianza looks good in the field, but whether he can hit any pitching is open to ?. Twin mentioned Bloomquist as a suitable option.
    I’m more into how well a SS fields his position and throws compared to how he hits, and Craw gunned down the guy trying to take 3rd last night. Craw did blow his share of routine stuff, but he was hardly alone in that regard this season He’s a .250 hitter with a little pop who belongs in the 8 spot, which sounds a lot like Arias to me. I just think SF has larger issues to address.

    • twinfan1 said, on September 28, 2013 at 9:42 am

      i mentioned bloomquist as a suitable *platoon* option. brandon has hit .218 career in over 300 pa against lhers. this year he was right at the mendoza line .200 in over 150 pa. that’s enough time to figger out that he can’t hit southpaws.

  3. twinfan1 said, on September 28, 2013 at 10:00 am

    since we only have one ‘winner’ in picking the bums to win the division (paulinasia), the battle to pick the worst in the west can now be settled-twin,pawlie,snarrk,macdog,blade,edd, dirt, and chuck all picked the sherpas to be the most inept in the climb to the peak. we’ll be kind and say that they failed to get out ‘base camp’.

  4. Flavor said, on September 28, 2013 at 10:47 am

    5 yrs 90 mil for Pence. Wow

    • twinfan1 said, on September 28, 2013 at 11:17 am

      just saw that on pavlovic’s blog. he says he’s gonna try his best to make the fans forget rowand. ok, i’m lying. actually he said ‘screw all the doubters. when a 90 million dollar man says the germans bombed pearl harbor, the germans bombed pearl harbor. got it?’

  5. twinfan1 said, on September 28, 2013 at 11:02 am

    ‘goin’ with the match-ups’ reaches an all-time high on the hilarity scale. meaning we score 21 today..

    1. Angel Pagan (S) CF

    2. Juan Perez (R) LF

    3. Hunter Pence (R) RF

    4. Pablo Sandoval (S) 3B

    5. Hector Sanchez (S) C

    6. Tony Abreu (S) 2B

    7. Brett Pill (R) 1B

    8. Ehire Adrianza (S) SS

    9. Yusmeiro Petit (R) P

  6. Nipper said, on September 28, 2013 at 11:30 am

    This season will be quickly forgotten. And yet someone got murdered a few blocks away for being a Dodger fan. The times are troubling.

    • twinfan1 said, on September 28, 2013 at 12:02 pm

      .. in fact, a suspect in the killing has been released and might have acted in self defense. right now it’s unclear as to who was to blame for the killing, and quite possibly there is shared blame in a tragedy involving two groups of inebriated young men who found a reason to brawl, as inebriated groups of young men are all too wont to do.

    • JBat said, on September 28, 2013 at 12:11 pm

      In the history of the world, times have always been troubling.

  7. Rooster said, on September 28, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Rays looking to get bumped out of the WC : down 3-1 to Blue Jays in the 5th while Rangers beating Angels again 7-4 in the 8th. Coming down to the wire in the Junior Circuit.

    Meanwhile looks like the Bucs will be hosting Cincy in Pitt in the WC game – Arroyo gives up 5 dingers to Pirates and can’t get out of the 5th – Bucs up 6-3 end of 5.

    Some great baseball this weekend.

    • blade3colorado said, on September 28, 2013 at 12:34 pm

      I feel bad about telling Pawlie to start Arroyo in the Flap League. 😦

  8. blade3colorado said, on September 28, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Just got back from a hike and almost lost my cookies when I read the Pence $90 million/5 year proposal. Me? I don’t like it, because when all is said and done, these two things have occurred: 1. Pence being overpaid by at least $1-2 million annually; 2. Giants management using this as an “excuse” to show that they had their game face on in the off-season and could spend big bucks. However, did anyone think about the possibility that this is a “smoke screen,” whereby the Giants have already figured out that they are out of the running for other big name Free agents such as Choo and Cano, as well as the Cubans. Consequently, they know they can get Pence, but only if they pay a bit more – which is exactly what they want to do anyway because the alternative is paying a significant amount more going after an additional big name free agent.

    In other words boys and girls, forget about any other high impact player coming here because Pence is getting the lion’s share of the free agent dollars. Yeah, they will probably sign Timmy and Lopez, but forget about anyone else, unless you consider a $5-8 million dollar free agent signing (for a 4 or 5 pitcher) making a big splash in the free agent market.

    • twinfan1 said, on September 28, 2013 at 1:25 pm

      cano was never in the equation. i don’t like 5 years but i don’t like *any* 5 year deal. pence is safe as it gets for that. in this case i buy that sabean will look to add pitching more than offense. the other talk we’ve heard has them adding a first baseman and moving belt to left.

      • blade3colorado said, on September 28, 2013 at 1:51 pm

        My mistake . . . Cano wants $300 million and the Gmen will unequivocally take a pass, like 90% of MLB (not named Dodgers, Yankees Phillies, and Red Sox). However, I will stand by my premise that you will NOT likely see any big free agent names coming here if Timmy, Voggy, and Lopez are signed, coupled with the 5 year $90 million deal for Pence.

  9. blade3colorado said, on September 28, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    By the by, the blogosphere – from the little I have read – hates this deal.

  10. Bozo said, on September 28, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    So the new face for the Giants has Marty Feldman eyes

    • Bozo said, on September 28, 2013 at 1:46 pm

      I know I’m still in the minority (probably just me and Atlanta) but with this signing and needing a front line pitcher, a decent LFer, and to keep within the budget, trading Posey makes the most sense to me.

      • blade3colorado said, on September 28, 2013 at 2:01 pm

        I like how you think out of the box Clown. Me too. I haven’t seen an untouchable player on this team since Lincecum’s first few years here. Twin also had a “Virtual GM” trade proposal 1-2 weeks ago that I liked, but dementia and doing too many psychedelic type drugs in my 20s have fried my brain to the point where I can’t recall what the details were. Ha. Twin, help!

      • twinfan1 said, on September 28, 2013 at 2:27 pm

        well, i had a scenario of a major overhaul that zeke, good ole jack from down the street, and i liked:
        belt and romo for adam jones
        choo fa
        kendry morales fa
        bloomquist fa
        ervin santana fa
        jason vargas fa

        gone were pence and timmy, lopez stayed. i think i had ryan madson as a reliever, that was an error. i looked at his numbers, not noticing that 2011 was the last year he’s pitched up here.

      • snarkk said, on September 28, 2013 at 2:32 pm

        Trade Panda for the Lfer, keep Belt at 1b. Belt is hitting 23-25 HRs next year w/the Giants, 27-30 with anybody else in a regular ballpark…

      • twinfan1 said, on September 28, 2013 at 2:38 pm

        well, who plays third? and who’s the lfer?

      • snarkk said, on September 28, 2013 at 2:46 pm

        Posey plays 3rd. Let Sabes figure out the LFer…

      • twinfan1 said, on September 28, 2013 at 2:51 pm

        unlikely they get a new lfer now. it’s belt or the blanco/perez platoon. imo. maybe even some combo of all 3.

      • twinfan1 said, on September 28, 2013 at 2:54 pm

        i had a ‘likely’ scenario besides the air gm overhaul .do you have a likely one?

  11. Flavor said, on September 28, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    I agree with Twin’s 1:25pm.
    Not sure what the off season will look like or how aggressive SAbes will be. But we do know he said we have to “create a new window.” Bringing Pence back doesn’t quite qualify as that. Looking forward to what this as-yet undefined window is gonna look like

  12. blade3colorado said, on September 28, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    I hope he saves some of those for his $90 gazillion contract. 🙂

  13. snarkk said, on September 28, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    I said Pence for 5 years for $80M, and they’d be glad to do it. I was a little short on glad. This deal is gonna suck the 5th year, hopefully not the 4th, too…

  14. snarkk said, on September 28, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Bochy and Rags asleep at the wheel there when the wheels came off Petit after that 12 pitch AB he endured. They should have had somebody up about two batters and two runs lost sooner. No way you should let a pitcher throw 6 straight hits. Petit looking there like the journeyman card he’s got. I also fault an inexperienced catcher in Hector. He should have gone out one or two times during that disaster to give Petit a blow. No way that debacle happens if Bengielena were the catcher…

  15. snarkk said, on September 28, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Perez definitely gets a ST look see for the 5th OFer. Kid can friggin play D and has a great arm, showing it off again. Boy, do we need middle relief help…

    • blade3colorado said, on September 28, 2013 at 3:16 pm

      Agree. Remember that I was the one that nick named him, Woo Hoo Perez (in honor of Ferret). However, no one picked up on my supercalifragilisticexpialidocious nickname. 😦

  16. snarkk said, on September 28, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    C ya Flappers, good afternoon…

  17. blade3colorado said, on September 28, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    “belt and romo for adam jones”

    Yeah, that’s the one my addled brain forgot. Put me down for that one too. You and the Clown are hired as Sabes roving assistants . . . Umm, well as much as your PC allows you to travel virtually Twin.

  18. twinfan1 said, on September 28, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    tomorrow’s lu:


  19. SanDawg said, on September 28, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Another perverse game for me has been hoping for Kickham to get his ERA under 10 before the season ends. He recently got it into the 9’s, but I think he is cementing a 10+ ERA right now.

    “Kickham when they’re up, Kickham when they’re down”

    • Flavor said, on September 28, 2013 at 4:10 pm

      His face is too pretty. I want my ball players ugly and rugged…..
      By the way, has Chuck’s 2nd daughter made it to Trevor’s house to care for him? Chuck, hook that up!

  20. blade3colorado said, on September 28, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Dan Szymborski, ESPN Insider, writes, “The natural comparison for a Pence contract is the one that Andre Ethier signed in June 2012, a five-year, $85 million contract. But as parents around the world have informed their teenage children for generations, just because someone jumps off a bridge doesn’t mean you should do it too. In fact, some of the same concerns about the Ethier contract apply here.

    Like the right fielder for the archnemesis Dodgers, Pence has been a solid starter with a couple of seasons that have edged near the border of stardom. The exact year-by-year breakdown of Pence’s contract isn’t available yet, but at an average of $18 million a year, the Giants are paying more for past performance than expected future performance. Even with a win on the free-agent market expected to be at or slightly above the $5 million mark, Pence is going to have to be worth 16 wins above replacement level over the next five seasons to hit the fair market price for the Giants.”

    I’m not an ESPN Insider (WTF that is), so I wasn’t able to read the rest of this article or I would share the link.

    • Flavor said, on September 28, 2013 at 4:09 pm

      The Insider has fantastic articles. It’s cheap, too. I didn’t subscribe this year but I am going to next year.

    • twinfan1 said, on September 28, 2013 at 4:36 pm

      pence is just 30, and will be coming off one of his best seasons. if szymborski claims he’s being paid for past performance rather than expected future performance, he can say the same about virtually every free agent ofer, as 30 yo is about the average age of a first time fa, looking at his consistency, i reiterate that i think he’s as safe for a 5 year deal as anybody. and, as usual, i’ll reserve judgement on how sabes does until he’s done doin’ what he be doin’…

  21. twinfan1 said, on September 28, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    what a nifty chance for the brass to put the loss on belt.

  22. sportdude said, on September 28, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Good signing. looks what’s out there? No way we get those guys even with no Pence. Unless you think otherwise we need pitching. Offense. Anyone think Posey and Panda only good for 30 HR’s combined next year?

    • twinfan1 said, on September 28, 2013 at 7:06 pm

      what guys are you referring to, sportdude?

  23. twinfan1 said, on September 28, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    posey– his dropoff was huge, that can’t be spun. it’s fact using the ‘old’ stats or sabr. i had said that he had numbers that we hoped for from belt. lo and behold, posey and belt end with almost the same numbers. posey has inferred that he was not in his best shape. i’m confident that he’ll bounce back,
    sanchez- will be here backing up posey unless he’s traded
    belt- see posey. except he was on the upswing.
    scutaro- gutsy to see it through until he was shut down. considering his position the top defensive liablity on the team. anybody’s guess for 2014.
    crawford- couldn’t hit lefties, could’t hit anybody after the break,we’ll see if it’s the injury. if it isn’t, might be trouble.
    sandoval- too fat, sabes ripping him again. but still he was in the top five of nl third basemen in virtually every offensive category.
    arias- arb, should be tendered. valuable infield utilty guy.
    abreu-made a nice push for a job next year.
    adrianza- out of options, probaly somewhere else next year.
    torres- injured since 2011? it’s bs if it’s true and bs if isn’t. started pretty well and then went feet up.
    blanco- he’ll be offered arb, cuz they kinda need 5 ofers, no way he isn’t one of them. imo
    pagan- returning this year was important. and he was waaaayyy better in september than he was before he went down.
    pence- let’s see- durable, great attitude, good defense, a 25-90 guy wherever he’s been.
    perez- playing time and performance in september almost guarantee him a job 1n 2014
    quiche and peguero- falling fast.
    pill- at this point-why?
    noonan- damn, i liked him. doesn’t look good for him.
    monell- only is if sanchez is traded, most likely- hope he enjoyed his cup ‘o joe.

  24. Flavor said, on September 28, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    Well, if you win a WS you very likely have had multiple guys have career years. I’ve got no idea what I said Posey would hit this year, it’s somewhere near the prediction thread, but I thought that batting title ba was gonna come WAY down. His slugging % fall off has been most concerning but he’s such a proud, quiet guy (and he’s had a lot of weird off-games) I’m betting (hoping?) he’s got a lingering injury that he just had trouble playing through this year.
    Panda: catch 22 time. Of course I want him to have a huge 2o14 but I have zero interest in paying him beyond that for the contract push year that he and his *new* chef bro are gonna target next season.
    Belt: hoping he takes another step, we need him to, but I’m not in a position to predict anything from Belt in 2014, he had a much better year than I thought he was going to have. Glad he’s ours but would beat off all over James’ ops sheets if we were able to trade him (and Romo) for Adam Jones–don’t see the Orioles doing that but it would trigger the aforementioned beat off moment.
    Scoots: I think he comes back serviceable next year
    Pagan: he had a slow start to 2013 but I really don’t give a shit about short term numbers. He was nails in 2012 and he’s come back the same way in 2013 (September). He’s probably the team leader in the clubhouse.
    Voggy– yes please. He had trouble re-building arm strength during the season, like any pitcher would and it was probably harder for him due to his age. But I am positive that no one will work harder this off season. 6.5 mil is peanuts for a solid #3 which I think he has one year left in him……..

  25. paulinasia said, on September 28, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    Giants management knows they cannot keep up with the free-spending Dodgers, but they’re also smart enough to know they probably will have to up the ante a bit. As long as they spend *smarter*, they don’t have to spend *as much*. Bang for the buck, so to speak. Comparing Pence’s new contract with what Ethier got last year is relevant. This year, looks like Pence’s batting average will be about 10 points higher, OPS a bit higher, more than double the HRs, and almost double the RBIs. Smarter, not richer, I’m ok with that as we head into an interesting off-season.

  26. twinfan1 said, on September 28, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    pagan’s start was 47 games, enough to be concerned. i wanted him to return to see him show that he would play as he did for much of 2012. actually he was better in his return than he was in 2012. he *was* quite inconsistent last year, but his highs far outweighed the lows.
    panda- other the hrs, he actually improved significanly after the break, but i’ve never proposed that he get a long term deal.

  27. twinfan1 said, on September 28, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    well, lots of good thoughts on the players this year, and on possible scenarios for next year.
    night all.

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