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A Day In The Wine Country – With A Giants Kicker

Posted in Uncategorized by snarkk on October 6, 2013

Yesterday, the birthday trip got started late, so we only got to Napa and stayed there all day – no Sonoma visit.   The wine country is glorious as October arrives, yesterday particularly so with temps in the low 80s.  Now, the white wine grapes are pretty much picked, pressed, and already working hard on their primary fermentation in steel tanks.   So, it’s center stage for the reds.  With the grape leaves starting to turn color in earnest, and some dropping, there is increasing space in between the branches.  So, in the soft afternoon sunlight, the globs of dark, purple berries of Cabernet and Zin and Syrah pop even more against the gnarled vines and rusty leaves.

The beautiful berries stand out so much it reminds of schoolyard days choosing sides to play ball — pick me, pick me! — nobody wants to be left hanging.  The best want to be picked for the estate bottling, or the vineyard designation bottlings that bring top dollar.  The second picking is for the 2nd line Cabs, the vineyards blend, and I imagine were the grapes animated, there’s less pride in that.   But, for me the wine lover, there’s plenty of love to go around at most price points.

Like us yesterday, when you visit wine country during the crush, you must pick a few grapes off the different vines and taste them.  There is no comparison between the taste of ready-to-pick red wine grapes with table grapes – the sweet, succulent flavor of the former, working their way to the winemaker’s perfect brix, is a tantalizing indication of what is to be to poured in a few years, after gently relaxing in the arms of French and American oak.

The only downside this time of year is the popularity of Napa.  The beauty, the hum of activity, the buzz of anticipation, is not lost on the wider population.  It attracts people from all over.  We talked to several couples from Texas — they must not agree with Rick Perry that our state sucks.   The main roads were jammed — with Maseratis to clunkers.  Tasting rooms full of chatter and jostle.   Cash registers ringing up their digital proceeds with alacrity.  The romanticism of the wine business that you can still experience in the smaller and family run wineries off the beaten path seems particularly shoved aside in the big producers near the main roads this time of year.   Sonoma and Mendocino, less so.  Mrs. snarkk and I remember the early days of “us” getting wine poured from Mike Grgich himself at his eponymous winery’s tasting room — for free.  Nowadays, its $15 a flight for the “regular” wines in many of the wineries.  And, unlike days of not too long past when a meager tasting fee would be waived if you bought a bottle, now in many of the places the tasting fee is just an ante that you wager to get into the game — it’s ADDED to the price of any bottles you buy.

We hit Girard in Yountville first, it has only a tasting room there.   Top end reds are its focus.  The winemaker guides and consults at several wineries.  We’re in its wine club, which has its privileges, and it should, when it comes to the “free” tastings for members.   After tasting a few choices out of the regular and top flights, the servers pulled out for us two 2005 cabs from the winemaker’s own private label, which he doesn’t make anymore.  They’re good at pulling out the “secret” stuff, that only you (well, you and all the other members) get.  One from Mt. Veeder, one from Diamond Mountain,  essentially from the West and East sides of the valley, respectively.  Best wines of the day, fantastic.  The mountain wines always have more character, because the grape vines are stressed to grow in a tougher environment than down in the valley proper.  I liked the Mt. Veeder, drinking well now, almost like a svelte 2nd growth Bordeaux, with the wet sock nose mimic, too.  Mrs. snarkk preferred the Diamond Mountain, still with a big backbone typical of Cabs from that appellation, a mere youngster, a pre-teen, with much developing to do in the coming years.

There in the tasting room, the Giants as sub-theme first inserted itself into the day, between the chatter about “nice nose”, “great legs” and “ooh, hints of blackberry and chocolate”.  We talked to a Walnut Creek couple who participated in Girard’s annual SF Giants day, just a few weeks back.   One day per year, you can take a bus with other wine lovers from its tasting room to and from ATT.   Wine flows during the trip down and back, with a ticket to the game and somehow, food included.   They said they had a great time.   Hell, if Voggy gets bombed, who cares?  Now, that’s my kind of wine tour.

Anyway, other places we visited were Cosentino, Trefethen, and Clos du Val.   I like to mix going to one or two places I know with some I’ve never been before – it’s not a total crapshoot, but still fun.  The first two I’d certainly heard of, but new to me to visit and taste and though fine, not much to write home about.   Cosentino was pushing a Chardonnay from the Russian River vineyard supposedly that supplied the Chard that won the famous 1976 Paris wine competition.  For a C-note per bottle.  For Chard?  And, with whites, likely not the same vines, maybe not even the same clones as nearly 40 years ago.   Uh, non.  You can get 5 bottles of really good Chard, 4 of super good, for that, elsewhere.    I’ve been to Clos du Val several times – pretty good reds.

With the afternoon sun and my sobriety sinking, we gave up the wine tasting and made our usual pilgrimage to the Napa Valley Olive Oil Co., a little shack of a store a couple hundred yards off Highway 12 and near Tra Vigne in St. Helena.  http://tinyurl.com/jvlhf6b   You’ll find hanging salamis, home cured olives, cheeses, all manner of canned fish and shellfish, and a cornucopia of Italian prepared and canned foods, sauces and dry pastas that you won’t find elsewhere.  The cashier rings up the total – in his/her head, or on a piece of paper.  The bill always comes out to a whole dollar number.  Cash and check, no plastic.  Oh, and local pressed olive oil by the half gallon bottle, too.   We got ours.  This is the way Napa used to be —  a throwback.  For mossbacks like me, it’s a slice of heaven.

After depleting the checking account in exchange for mass quantities of pasta and olive oil and salami, time for dinner.  We went over to the nearby place Oracle recommended, Cindy’s Backstreet Kitchen, in St.Helena.  (BTW, kudos to Oracle for the recommendation).  As it was only around 5:30, we were taken right in to a nice table not too far from the entrance and maitre’d stand.   Very nice menu.   For appetizers, we had a ration of mussels in a light coconut and curry combo broth – tasty good.  Plus, some baked oysters in shell with a Parmesan and parsley cover – yummy.   Mrs. snarkk is on a vegetarian kick the last 6 weeks, so for entrée she had the mushroom and polenta tamale – sounds weird, but fantastic.  I had the anticipated Hanger steak – tasty and very nicely prepared with yams and yellow sweet potatoes adding a sweet, fall complement to the savory tone of the meat.

Early on, as I was slurping my first oyster, I happened to glance over to the maitre’d table.  Again, the Giants as supporting theme entered the mix of the day.  There, talking to the hostess with a friend was — yep, Marty Lurie.  As he started to walk with the hostess down towards us to be seated, our eyes met, and I believe he did recognize me.  He stopped, we shook hands, I introduced Mrs. snarkk (she knows who he is) and we all just talked for a couple of minutes about our day, and the wineries we’d seen.   He said he was headed for Arizona on Monday.  In the course of the conversation, he thrust out his hand with the 2012 WS ring to Mrs. snarkk, without being asked.  She took a look, yes, very big.  He is obviously proud of it.  Anyway, we didn’t keep them long, as they needed to be seated.

Later, after we had finished our meal, I went back to the men’s room, and after, I snuck a look around the corner to find Marty.  There he was with friend in a table along the wall in the rear room.  I swooped in for one last conversation, like a sated troll.  He was again amiable, and his friend conveniently decided to go to the bathroom, so Marty graciously asked me to sit.  We sat for 5 minutes or so, chewed the fat about not much, including his upcoming trip to Cabo with Giants fans.  Gave me his private card.  He did remember I was in the group with “Paul Kocak” (he volunteered), and I was impressed.  We didn’t get  too deep into the Giants, I must say.  Just about how they’ve got a lot of work to do in the offseason.   Entirely an enjoyable conversation.  I got the feeling that this dude could talk baseball endlessly, never get tired of it.  The guy is as nice in person as he sounds on the radio.

All in all, an enjoyable  and memorable birthday, with Giants highlights.  If you’re a Giants fan these days, you don’t have to look far around here for reminders of how popular they are.  In tasting rooms, or at the restaurant, you’ll find Giants fans… and Marty Lurie.

Alright.   You guys should be re-loaded by now.  Back to the pitching vs. hitting artillery.

In Vino Veritas, and Go Giants!…

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  1. twinfan1 said, on October 6, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    what a marvelous day- and i’m delighted that my dinner recommendation worked out. i’ve warmed to lurie- mostly because of *his* warmth, such a respite from the loud ones..now- more about those mussels 😉

  2. twinfan1 said, on October 6, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    helluva basketball game in dallas..

  3. Flavor said, on October 6, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    That’s an awesome story!

  4. unca_chuck said, on October 6, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    You had lunch with Sean Landetta?

    Just kidding. Great story. Yeah. Napa can be overdone. But its still Napa. We used to belong to a little winery in Amador county called Drytown. Small family run place. All that down there is like Napa 30 years ago.

  5. twinfan1 said, on October 6, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    regarding sharing those mussels- one of my favorite food writers, calvin trillin, once noted the ‘horrible-ness’ of being married to a spouse who won’t share..’ really dear, there’s *barely* enough molten chocolate torte for one”..
    we’re finaly seing some good baseball, the bucs win was a good one. two reasons why the regular season means little once october rolls around- steven vogt and kevin siegrist…

  6. snarkk said, on October 6, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Bucs better close it out tomorrow. Their fans are really going nuts. That’s a good vibe going in Steeltown…

  7. twinfan1 said, on October 6, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    back to the giants- kat mused about scutaro and obtaining a younger 2nd baseman. due to his contract i doubt they go for a starting second sacker. the team may have to make a decision between arias and tony abreu, both of whom are arb eligible (i think). they’re not going to carry 3 infield reserves and they need one with more pop than those guys. i once thought arias was a lock but abreu has overtaken him, imo. so i can see arias as more likely of the two to go elsewhere,

    • Chipower9 said, on October 7, 2013 at 8:04 am

      I agree in believing that Abreu has overtaken Arias. Arias will be entering his 2nd year of arbitration; Abreu his first.

    • chipower9 said, on October 7, 2013 at 8:06 am

      Also, Abreu is making about half of what Arias makes (498 to 925).

  8. paulinasia said, on October 6, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    Snarkk, if/when you ever retire from the working world, you should consider doing travel writing… 🙂

    • WilcoJoe said, on October 6, 2013 at 7:27 pm

      I concur…Great story Snarkk.

  9. Macdog said, on October 6, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    If you’re watching the Niners and wanted to check in on Braves-Dodgers, don’t bother.

  10. WilcoJoe said, on October 6, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    I actually went to High School in Napa, Justin-Siena…When my wife and I first started dating, while I was at UT, I took her to an upscale Italian restaurant in Austin for our first “big” date…Of course, when it came time to order, she handed me the wine menu…I proceeded to order a Zinfandel and I don’t mean of the red variety…I think it was Beringer, to make matters worse.

    I was 22 at the time and despite my wine country upbringing, I knew nothing of wine…For my birthday that year, she bought us wine tasting classes, 🙂

  11. WilcoJoe said, on October 6, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    I can’t wait to listen to the sports talk stations here in Houston, on my ride to work in the morning…Schaub is likely to be on suicide watch after this performance.

  12. blade3colorado said, on October 6, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Excellent story snarkk. Too bad “Beercan” wasn’t there. Grin.

    • Flavor said, on October 6, 2013 at 9:05 pm

      There is an email floating around that you might call “the epilogue” of this fantastic story.
      It’s really more of an add-on. Or an edit. I dunno, Pawlie’s the writer he can explain it…
      “Beer Can” is on of the great nicknames of a decent looking chick that I’ve ever heard and for the life of me I can’t remember why she’s called that

      • blade3colorado said, on October 7, 2013 at 6:45 am

        Just saw it this morning. Unfrickingbelievable . . . I’m speechless.

  13. twinfan1 said, on October 6, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    night, guys. gotta check out that dallas game after the raiders. poor fucking romo- 500+ yards, 5 tds….. and a game losing pick.

    • Flavor said, on October 6, 2013 at 9:02 pm

      Saw the highlights on sports center. Classic Romo, fuck up at the end. But an amazing gm, “Insta-classic”

  14. PawlieKokonuts said, on October 7, 2013 at 5:27 am

    Great story, Snarkk. Such vivid descriptions. And I admit to being a tad self-serving about this “Paul Kocak” guy. In that vein, Wm. F. Buckley Jr. once told me this story: Buckley ran for mayor of NYC in 1965. I believe so did Norman Mailer, in the same race. Buckley and Mailer (and John Kenneth Galbraith too) were all friends. Had dinner together. (This is not the type of thing we see any more, is it? Hence, no civil discourse.) Buckley wrote a wry book about the campaign, “The Unmaking of the Mayor, 1965,” a nod to the Theodore White books about presidential campaigns, which I ate up. (He was asked, what would be the first thing you would do if you won? “Demand a recount.”) Anyway, Buckley told me that he gave a copy of his book to Mailer. Mailer was all flustered. “Why didn’t you sign it?” Buckley replied, “I did.” “Where?” Mailer asked. “In the index, by your name. I knew you’d look there first.” And so it goes for me and the Marty Lurie story.

    • blade3colorado said, on October 7, 2013 at 7:47 am

      Let me get this straight . . . You knew William F. Buckley? Nice.

  15. blade3colorado said, on October 7, 2013 at 7:26 am

    Pissed that Romo playing the game of his life and blows it. Especially against the Broncos. My only solace yesterday was Brady finishing 18 of 38 for 197 yards with one interception and a paltry passer rating of 52.2. Fuck him.

  16. Flavor said, on October 7, 2013 at 7:51 am

    I re-read this thread this morning and it’s not just a great story about Lurie, it’s maybe the most well written, engaging thread we’ve ever had here at the Flap. Tom, thanks for putting in the time and writing this.
    Lurie sounds like a guy who would do his job for free.

  17. chipower9 said, on October 7, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Great thread, Tom. Sounds like a wonderful day, and so cool that you bumped into Marty and got to shoot the breeze with him.

    You description of Napa and the direction of the wineries is a reason I don’t visit Napa any longer (if in that area I would much rather hit Sonoma county). Living in the Sierra foothills just East of Placerville, there are many wonderful wineries. A few of the wineries do charge you 5 bucks for tasting, but it is applied to your purchase. I am a big red fan, and there are a number of wineries that put out wine that is every bit as good if not better than that coming out of Napa.

    If any of you Flappers enjoy wine and are looking for a good place to spend a day this fall, I suggest hitting the Sierra foothills (El Dorado and Amador county). It is also “Apple Hill” season, and many of the local farms are full-tilt with their bake shops, etc.

    While you are three, you can take a trek out hiways 88 and 89 through Hope Valley (back roads to Tahoe)…one of the most beautiful places on the planet…especially this time of year when the Aspens are changing colors.

    • unca_chuck said, on October 7, 2013 at 11:56 am

      Yeah, Chuck, we belonged to Drytown vineyards for a few years. Right off of 49 south of Plymouth. Great wine, and an easy price. They throw great parties as well . . .

    • snarkk said, on October 7, 2013 at 11:58 am

      Chi, I agree with you. There are some great wineries in Gold Country, particularly Amador County. Great Zins all over, and good value. And, the atmosphere really nice and low key. If we were closer, we’d visit more often…

      • chipower9 said, on October 7, 2013 at 3:09 pm

        Next time you decide to do a trip to the foothills…let me know ahead of time, and if we are going to be around, you are welcome to swing by for a visit (I live in Camino – and there are a number of wineries within spitting distance with some wonderful wines).

  18. willedav said, on October 7, 2013 at 8:40 am

    Haven’t been able to watch a playoff game yet. Braves are getting rolled as they usually do–just like in Glavine/smoltz days they win the division and that’s it. If they do win today they’ve got Kershaw waiting for them.
    Pirates are a great story. But honest, outside of Mac they have a very ordinary offense, esp compared to Cards and all their .300 hitters. Further proof to me good pitching, yada yada. blueprint for SF, imo.
    If the A’s continue to win, expect to hear the further canonization of Billy beane ad nauseam. Seems like every time I watched them during the season, they won, so that’s out.
    Outside of Yanks fans, Boston’s are most annoying of all time. Any series with them in it is unwatchable, including (Amida!) the WS.
    Nice day for Snarkk and the Mrs. I watched some of Cal Saturday, and oh man, if you can’t stop Wazzu at home from thrashing you, maybe they need to re-schedule Presbyterian. Hope the second half of season is better than the first. I like goff but you can’t expect the kid to score 50 a game b/c the D sucks so bad.

    • snarkk said, on October 7, 2013 at 12:00 pm

      Willie, Cal’s D was thin to start, Tedford left the cupboard bare on that side of the ball. Then, to make it worse, they’ve lost several D starters to season ending injury. They essentially can’t stop anyone, run or pass…

  19. Flavor said, on October 7, 2013 at 9:55 am

    This *Braves thing* is annoying. My *Dodgers One and Done* mantra is probably gonna take a hit. Had I known they were going to face the freaking choking Braves I probably wouldn’t have gone there. What is it with Atlanta in the playoffs? They find new ways to suck, lose and embarrass themselves every year.

  20. twinfan1 said, on October 7, 2013 at 10:29 am

    i have a great idea for the ‘tomahawk chop’….no, that’s terrible. too much ‘breaking bad’

    • blade3colorado said, on October 7, 2013 at 11:04 am

      What? Put McCann’s head on a turtle ala Danny Trejo? LOL.

  21. twinfan1 said, on October 7, 2013 at 10:41 am

    i see that the a’s game is only on the mlb tv channel- isn’t there an option? that’s fucked that there’s no alternate for locals like there is for the nfl network . the mlb network isn’t available here. i have mlb.com for the pc but they don’t show live postseason games.

    • blade3colorado said, on October 7, 2013 at 11:06 am

      Enjoy . . . http://www.vipboxonline.eu/

      Just make sure you run a malware scan afterwards. I get all the football, baseball, etc., games here now.

  22. ewisco said, on October 7, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Cool video of Chris Mullins lighting it up

  23. blade3colorado said, on October 7, 2013 at 11:19 am

    NY Post indicating that the Giants are in the running for Price trade . . . Uhh huh.


    • chipower9 said, on October 7, 2013 at 12:18 pm

      Thanks for sharing, Steve. Yeah, right. This line from the article “Thus, to regenerate the farm system with quality, the Rays feel a need to consummate these types of four-for-one trades that bring a bushel of talent to the system” and the status of the Giant’s farm translate into this all being a pipe dream. I could be wrong, but I suspect Sabes and crew look via free agency to fill those holes on the pitching staff.

  24. Alleykat said, on October 7, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Great post Snarkk!!
    Lucky for you to get up to Napa with Mrs.Snarkk so you didnt have to watch your Bears take a thrashing on your birthday.

    • snarkk said, on October 7, 2013 at 12:02 pm

      Let’s see, a day in the wine country or go see the Bears get whipped by a mediocre squad? Hmmm…

  25. Irish Kevin said, on October 7, 2013 at 11:50 am

    wow, didn’t know we had some many Nor Cal people on this Blogg. anyway, I grew up in Santa Rosa. So all those places were my haunts. one of my best friends lived in St Helena. Back then it was all Mondavi, and Krug and Christian Brothers. If you go west it was Korbel you would see. Lots of great places to visit. Sounds like you had a great time Snarkk.

  26. Alleykat said, on October 7, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    So Snarkk, you failed to give us your review on”Boone Farm Apple Wine” 🙂
    Look at all the money you.could of saved witb no corkage fee.

    • snarkk said, on October 7, 2013 at 12:04 pm

      Kat, I graduated from Annie Green Springs a while back. I realize now there are only a limited number of drinks in my liver, so now it’s at least good quality vino and craft beers. It’s not that I’m a wine and beer snob, my liver is…

  27. chipower9 said, on October 7, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    A’s with late lead (6-3 in the 8th).

    Bums moving Kershaw up to pitch on 3 days rest (first time for him) tonight.

    • blade3colorado said, on October 7, 2013 at 2:58 pm

      Hardly paying attention Chi to the playoffs, so what is the logic for starting him on 3 days rest? Do they want to get ready for the next series strategically????

      • chipower9 said, on October 7, 2013 at 3:12 pm

        Not sure…I think they just want to put their ace out there and try to close it out now. And part of it appears to be a desire to skip Nolasco (Nolasco allowed 17 runs in 12 innings over his past three starts. His last start was Sept. 25, so he would have been starting with 12 days between starts, with only one inning of relief on Sept. 29 in between).

      • chipower9 said, on October 7, 2013 at 3:12 pm

        I am following them ONLY because I want to win that fucking PC! 😉

      • blade3colorado said, on October 7, 2013 at 4:05 pm

        Yeah, I was too, until I totally fucked up my first 3 picks, messing up all the wild card games and absolutely no idea what I was thinking selecting Pirates in 5 and Atlanta in 4. What a dummy I am. Totally went against logic/stats.

  28. Alleykat said, on October 7, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    Tigers are totally overrated,they will fold like a cheap suit to the A’s now.
    All they do now is bellyache and try and get in the heads of the A’s and bitch to the umps.Well it aint workin losers.

  29. zumiee said, on October 7, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Great post, Snarkk. Great stuff.
    I may be the only Flapper who’s now rooting for the Cards in their series. I just don’t have faith that the Pirates would beat the Dodgers. If the Braves come back and win their series, then I want the Cards to lose to the Pirates. The timelines of all that may not match up, oh well. 🙂

  30. twinfan1 said, on October 7, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    i’m going to ‘pre-guess’ and say that i think that starting kershaw on 3 days rest is going to backfire. why is donnie panicking? facing elimination i can see it but not with a series lead. clayton is a stud but he’s never pitched on short rest and he threw 124 pitches in game one. that’s the second most he’s thrown all year and the most since early in the season (132 on may 14). plus, after that start he had 5 days rest before the next one…

    • Alleykat said, on October 7, 2013 at 4:07 pm

      Im sure Donnie wanted to go with Koufax on forty years of rest first Twin.

      • twinfan1 said, on October 7, 2013 at 4:40 pm

        i was at the 1965 game when koufax shut out my twinkies on 2 days rest…i would have been royally pissed but koufax might be one of the most popular pitchers ever, even among his opponents fans. even then, drysdale was the bad cop, sandy was just so———*nice*, even when he broke your heart…

    • blade3colorado said, on October 7, 2013 at 4:07 pm

      Agree Twin. I hope it blows up in their face.

  31. snarkk said, on October 7, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    Yeah, I don’t see the great upside to Kershaw on short rest. LA won a game in Atlanta, it’s not like it’s unwinnable in that park. If Nolasco cratered at the Latrine, well, it would be a Pen game. Even if you lose, you’d have Kershaw AND Grienke available to go in a game 5, all hands on deck. Look at today with Cards/Pirates. Cards could have gone with Wainright on short rest, it was an elimination game. Nope. Now, they’ve got him for the decider on regular rest…

  32. Flavor said, on October 7, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Here’s the deal–it’s not an elimination game for LA. But even so, they could easily pitch Nolasco and just give him a quick hook to Kershaw if he didn’t have it. And with RN he’s either got it or he doesn’t. Why not find out if he’s firing bullets before you just completely skip him? Two Trips could be leaving 7 innings of 0-1 run ball on the bench. There could be something physically wrong with Nolasco and maybe that’s why they don’t want to go with him. I’m talking minor, something where he could pitch but they’d rather he not pitch.
    Assuming it’s not hidden injury related, it doesn’t make a lot of sense why he’s running CK out there on 3 days rest after 124 pitches.
    Mattingly is opening himself up to massive second guessing if this fails.

    • twinfan1 said, on October 7, 2013 at 5:19 pm

      therere was speculation even before the nlds that mattingly could get fired if they didn’t win that series. and he got a lot of heat by having lefty paco rodriguez walk reed johnson ( whose last hit was in july) and pitching to heyward, who hits lhers well, in game 2. if atlanta wins tonight and nolasco loses game 5 it would be brutal, but fair, to say that donnie’s decisions lost all 3 games.

  33. Alleykat said, on October 7, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    I know Koufax broke Marichal’s heart a few times when it came to a Cy Young award.Marichal matched him or better some years,but that Rosoboro incidentsure didnt help Juan’s chances with the voters.

    • twinfan1 said, on October 7, 2013 at 5:29 pm

      well,juan was just unlucky to have great years when koufax won those cys. sandy did deserve them.

      • twinfan1 said, on October 7, 2013 at 5:51 pm

        some fantastic years from both. below are the numbers from koufaxes’ cy years.in ’63 and ’65 koufax clearly had the better years, in ’66 they pretty much split the stats that were used to rate pitchers in the pre-sabr years. there wouldn’t have been much reason to bitch no matter which guy won it.
        koufax 25-5 1.88 era 311 ip 214 h 58 bb 306 k 0.875 whip
        marichal 25-8 2.41 era 321.1 ip 259 h 61 bb 248 k 0.996 whip
        koufax 26-8 2.04 era 335.2 ip 216 h 71 bb 382 k 0.885 whip
        marichal 22-13 2.13 era 295.1 ip 224 h 46 bb 240 k 0.914 whip
        koufax 27-9 1.73 era 323 ip 241 h 77 bb 317 k 0.985 whip
        marichal 25-6 2.23 era 307.1 ip 228 h 36 bb 222 k 0.859 whip

  34. snarkk said, on October 7, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    That Balfour/Martinez dustup in the 9th today was totally lame and bogus, even for a baseball fight, which is generally lame anyway. A guy fouls a ball off and then the skank eye from him to the pitcher results in a bench clearing scrum? Finish the dang game…

    • Flavor said, on October 7, 2013 at 6:55 pm

      Balfour is a shit talker, most of the shit he’s talking is towards himself. I don’t think Martinez knew that, he completely misread the situation, in my opinion. Balfour wasn’t talking to him and I hope he now feels like a dumbass for causing that fracas.

  35. paulinasia said, on October 7, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Zum, I started thinking the same thing when St. Louis won to take it to game 5; with the G’s out of it this year, Bucs are my sentimental favorite, but preventing LA from getting to the WS trumps everything, and I agree that the Cards would *probably* have a better chance of that than Pittsburgh…. Man, so much anti-Boston sentiment here! What are you guys gonna do if it’s Boston-LA in the WS? My guess: probably anything but watch it… 🙂

    • Flavor said, on October 7, 2013 at 6:58 pm

      oh man, I’d watch that in a nano-second. I’m not against or for Boston, in fact I think their inclusion in a WS (just like the Yanks) increases my interest in it. I’m rooting for the A’s and I’d prefer the Pirates > the Cards even though I picked the Cards to win the series. And if LA somehow makes it I am rooting for WHOEVER is coming out of the AL.
      I’m really hoping 2-trips eats shit on this decision to start Kershaw for no reason whatsoever……..

  36. Flavor said, on October 7, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    and I’d love to hear from Rooster or Sandy or any other Dodger fan BEFORE tonight’s game regarding their feelings about pitching this dude on 3 days rest after 124 pitches the start before in a game that is not an elimination game….Pro or con this weird, unnecessary decision?

    • Flavor said, on October 7, 2013 at 7:00 pm

      ah, just checked the clock, the game has started. Oh well.

  37. twinfan1 said, on October 7, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    i don’t have a problem with any of the al teams going to the series- against the bucs. another managerial decision that can be questioned imo- hurdle going with cole instead of burnett. i know that burnett was rocked and cole pitched well, but i want my vet in game 5…

  38. Rooster said, on October 7, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    I can still answer your question BF – when I first heard about the decision I was dead set against it. My first thought was that it was completely unwarranted – smelled of unnecessary panic. One thing is for certain though, this was definitely not *just* Mattingly’s decision – Kershaw, Colletti, Honeycutt, Kasten – there’s no doubt they all had input in the decision. Now it has come out that immediately after game one, Kershaw went to Mattingly and said, “game four is mine” – Mattingly said well, we’ll see when and if the time comes.
    Also – sure Nolasco had a rough last few starts of the season, but the division was already wrapped up and he was probably experiencing a tired arm. He’s had plenty of rest and if the Dodgers advance, they are going to need him eventually anyways. Why not use him now, see what they have? Kershaw would have had 5 days rest for game 5 – I would have saved Kershaw for game 5, but that’s just me.

    • salty said, on October 7, 2013 at 7:58 pm

      When you’ve got Greinke on 4 days rest for game 5, obviously easier to take a shot with K.

      • salty said, on October 7, 2013 at 8:00 pm

        Course I took Bums in 4 😉

      • twinfan1 said, on October 7, 2013 at 8:06 pm

        before the series i said that the kershaw would have to win two games or the bums would lose the series.i still feel that way.

      • Rooster said, on October 7, 2013 at 8:25 pm

        Yeah, that went into it, no doubt. I get the thinking – just win game 4 and not have to jump on a plane to Atlanta to play a one game, winner take all game 5 – anything can happen, blah, blah, blah.
        Well, anything can happen in game four just the same.
        I would have thought having the Ace in the hole for game 5 would have been better.

    • twinfan1 said, on October 7, 2013 at 8:03 pm

      and the time he threw the most pitches this year, he had 5 days rest before his next start and pitched a complete game 3 -hitter.

    • Flavor said, on October 7, 2013 at 8:14 pm

      thanks Rooster. I agree with all of this.

  39. twinfan1 said, on October 7, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    well, that’s about as good as could be expected from kershaw on 3 days rest. heckuva job. and a gutty effort from garcia.

    • twinfan1 said, on October 7, 2013 at 9:05 pm

      damn, wrong spot again.

      • James said, on October 7, 2013 at 9:11 pm

        No, the pitch count is not irrational, and the article fully supports it. Injury and fatigue are a result of massive pitch counts, not the 4 man rotation.

  40. James said, on October 7, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    The 4 man rotation used to be the norm. I’ve posted the link 2-3 times to the BP article that pretty much proves through a huge data sample that the 5 man rotation is irrational. I think this would set up Kershaw for game 1,4, and 7 starts in the next series, although I doubt that’s the plan.

    • twinfan1 said, on October 7, 2013 at 9:07 pm

      the *pitch count* is not irrational in the mlb present era. if today’s young pitchers weren’t limited early on, guys could throw more pitches than they do. what’s irrational, imo, is the pitch limit on the youngsters when the breaking ball is what has to be limited.. the fast ball strenghtens young arms- btw, kershaw was great but the decision made him a 6 inning pitcher.

      • James said, on October 7, 2013 at 9:12 pm

        Ha, now you’ve messed me up, too! 🙂

      • twinfan1 said, on October 7, 2013 at 9:15 pm

        now i’m just hoping i don’t miss the bed…

      • James said, on October 7, 2013 at 9:17 pm

        Limiting Kershaw to 91 pitches was an arbitrary decision. He averaged 7 innings a start. He probably had another 15 pitches in him.

      • twinfan1 said, on October 7, 2013 at 9:25 pm

        yeah, *mattingly* made him a 6 inning pitcher. of course we don’t know what clayton might have told him. he look pooped in the dugout after the top of the 6th.

  41. twinfan1 said, on October 7, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    good night, guys.

  42. unca_chuck said, on October 7, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Holy Schniekies. I turn on the Dodger game just in time to see Jazz Hands hit one out to take the lead. It was a bit eerie to see him hug Weezy in the dugout.

  43. twinfan1 said, on October 7, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    i knocked mickey out of the bed when juan hit that. mattingly has uribe bunt, he fails and sends one into the night. donnie played with fire tonight. and the beard gets the win. omg.

    • twinfan1 said, on October 7, 2013 at 10:01 pm

      bummed about the bums winning but happy for juan. now back to mickey’s head rub.

  44. snarkk said, on October 7, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Well, whether its Cards or Bucs, I’d have to put the money down on LA beating either. Doghairs looking good…

  45. Rooster said, on October 7, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Kershaw will have plenty of rest before his next start.

    • James said, on October 7, 2013 at 10:18 pm

      First game is 10/11. He is set up for 3 starts, if Mattingly decides to go retro.

  46. paulinasia said, on October 7, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Well I guess this makes Mattingly a genius, huh… 🙂 Congrats to LA, they are indeed looking good, as they have for awhile now. But yeah, it does kind of twist a knife to see Uribe and Wilson so instrumental in that one…

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