The Race for the PC Reaches Near Euphoric Heights!
I’m not updating the standings since we still have 2 undecided results, but if St Louis holds sway it’s going to tighten up the standings big time. All three of the players in the top 3 spots took The Art Dealers. Several of the villagers took the Cards in 6, but nobody took them in 5. ChiPower could really use the Tigers to win in 7. And right now, Denny with the Cards in 6/Red Sox in 6 is poised for the biggest boldest move so far in the contest. If that happens, we’ll have 5 guys with a legit shot at the top prize going into the world series.
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Flavor said, on October 16, 2013 at 10:58 am (Edit)
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I’ve been busy of late and really haven’t seen much of the playoffs, so in scanning the flap I have this to say.
Fuck Beltran and Puig. Wait there is more, fuck Holliday and HanRam, Molina and either Ellis, fuck Mattingly and … wait, I like Matheny, go Cards. If the erection lasts longer than 3 hours, fuck the Tigers and Sox before seeking medical attention.
Now back to your regularly scheduled program.
Fuck me to tears, that’s fucking hilarious, Clown.
Puig is definitely a showboating self promoting clueless jerk. The idea that more players need to act like him is complete and utter FUBAR. Acting out your emotions on the field is great if you are a 6 yrs old and playing tee ball. As a adult professional playing with and against the top players in the world, absolutely not.
If you want to celebrate what you’ve done and how cool you are, that’s what the dugout and (even better) the clubhouse is for. You and your buddies can talk shit and do whatever handshakes routine you can think up.
I think baseball code stuff is fine in that quite a lot of it goes back to not showing up others on the field. You have respect for the game and the other team you are playing, and it’s been going on for 100 years, in black and white baseball.
Your team is up big late game and you are swinging at 3-0 pitches, taking extra bases and trying to steal second after a base hit? Wrong, and just as wrong is all the standing and admiring a ball well struck and the bat flip nonsense. The message needs to be sent to the clueless ones, on the field, without waiting for a commissioner to handle it.
my guess is if Puig’s teammates are unable to convince him he is going about his biz in the wrong way, then the message will continue to be delivered by his opponents in the best way they know how.
As a coach, I am always trying to get players to leave their emotions behind them and concentrate on wtf they are doing. You miss a shot because you think you were fouled? Fine, get back and play defense instead of yelling at the ref and blowing up about it. Somebody steals the ball from you and scores? Get your head into the present moment and be more careful with the ball, instead of going into *i’m gonna get you sucka* mode and trying to embarrass the guy with some and 1 mix tape move.
Even worse is all the celebration stuff after a basket, like throwing roundhouse rights at the air or doing little high stepping dances back up court. I’ve seen this BS from high school kids I used to coach (cringe) who think it’s cool, who picked it up from pros who get a kick out of putting on a show and think nothing of embarrassing an opponent while the game is going on. And it’s f-ing wrong at any level.
I was taught that when a game is in hand and your team is superior, you call off the dogs and stop pressuring people full court or trapping half court, get subs in and don’t try and run up the score. I’ve been on other end of private school teams that feel completely opposite and don’t have a problem winning by 60 or 70 if they can do it, by trapping you the whole game and playing their starters as much as possible. Or, as in the case of the guy who is in the Linsanity movie that helps him with his shot, shooting as many 3s as possible in a game when you are up by 40 so you can set some kind of record
And it’s unfortunate you can’t go *baseball code* on these type of coaches and their players. So my mentor’s idea was after a made basket by opponent, just roll them the ball and let them have it, as a way to embarrass their ass and get them to realize what they are doing.
Maybe i ate my cry-d-o this morning,but watching these drag on long games with no scoring and 4 teams i could.give a shit about is frustrating.
baseball is fun to play- and guess what – it’s been fun to play ever since doubleday didn’t invent the game. ‘they’re taking the fun out of the game’ -what a stupid statement- kids have been having joyous fun for decades without prancing about like feckless morons. puig is a professional- acting like a professional doesn’t make the game less fun- it means exhibiting a courteous and respectful demeanor towards one’s teammates and opponents alike. be a pro, act like you’ve been there- that seems to be a quaint, old fashioned notion. my goodness- the children who play the game exhibit more professionalism than the men who are paid millions.
i do object to the ‘unwritten code’, the idea that ‘being shown up’ merits getting thrown at. if it’s ‘part of the game’ the the men who run this game should get their heads out of their asses and make it *not* part of the game. obviously, that’s not going to happen with a group who think that intentionally blowing up a defenseless catcher is also a part of the game. the puigies will be puigies and unthinking stupid men will exact their revenge by hurling a potentially deadly object at the puigies… ooooooh, a broken rib- a fractured hand- hey, are we having fun yet..
side note- be sure to copy your picks to my email. michael.scott2@mchsi.com.
Hey, maybe the Dodgers’ and Tigers’ entire teams will end up with the Choke Artist label.
(Disclaimer: the author understands completely that choking is a very serious thing, and causes the deaths of many people every year. The author in no way means to diminish the tragedy that choking can cause. The author is merely using the term in a very sports-related metaphor.)
everybody understands how ‘choking’ is meant as to a player or players failing. of course ‘most fans’ would not be so unkind as to characterize failing as being a ‘choke artist’. most fans would recognize that not every team can win and will respect that the losers gave it their best. novel concept for you, isn’t it?
Wouldn’t count out the Dogs just yet. I could see it going 7, with Greinke and Kershaw up next. And with Ryu in game 7, Cards could blow 3-1 leads in consecutive years. I find myself not caring one way or another. Neither team does much for me. And Puig doesn’t bother me. I kind of like a little emotion and buy it that he’s not a bad guy, that its cultural and youth.
Good luck contest players. It will be more interesting to have 4-5 guys in contention at the wire.
Ah, the whole show boating thing. It is amazing the comments from other players, active as well as retired. Krukow has no problem with Puig, but Kuip not so much. Acting proffessional? so many examples to choose from where a player did not. And I would start with our very own B L Bonds. The biggest problem is that as long as a team is winning they turn a blind eye to what a player is doing. Oh I am sure that quietly the Dodgers are telling Puig he is not acting proffessionally but not forcefully in that it might take him out of his game. Hopefully when the dodgers are elliminated some vet will take him aside and tell him he cannot continue with the way he plays the game.
Throwing inside is part of the game and has to be part of every pitcher’s arsenal. A guy like puig who has tremendous power when he can extend his arms and blast outside pitches out of the yard over the RF fence, as he has done to the giants, is gonna have to deal with being pitched inside. This is regardless of acting the fool like he does with regularity
My advice would be to learn what all great RHers learned–how to get out of the way.
there’s a diiference between throwing inside and intentionally throwing at somebody. it’s not real hard to tell the difference. the penalty for throwing at a batter are not stringent enough, 5 games for a starting pitcher is meaningless- start with 3 starts for first offenders. relief pitchers- one week. if a guy leans over the plate- the ump can deal with that- ‘strike one- now get your ass where it belongs’. intentionally hitting a player with a 80-85-90-95 mph hard object is ASSAULT. baseball is extremely fortunate that more players have not been seriously or fatally injured- it’s a given that one day there will be a castrophic injury and it’s a given that only then will be measures be taken to help prevent what should never be thought to be ‘part of the game’.
Steve Young could talk about the “gorilla” he felt on his back until he won the big one. The players and fans know what he’s talking about. There’s a certain doughnut hole in the middle of the pro sports career without “the big one.”
(Disclaimer: the author knows that gorillas and doughnuts are awesome, and in no way is trying to diminish their greatness. They are merely being used as analogies.)
I’m sure somebody brought this up yesterday and I missed it, but I just wanted to say RIP Wally Bell.
the players are competitors and of course they want to ‘win the big one’. perhaps mr, zumiee will show us where competitors like steve young label their losing opponents as ‘choke artists”. no,steve is a pro and a gracious man in victory or defeat. i remember that some ungracious people labled him a choker. certainly the losing player him (or her) self may think they ‘choked’, it’s a natural reaction from a disappointed ‘loser’ but gracious winners and fans who understand sport and competition do not throw the choke label around simply because a team or player failed to gain the ultimate goal in their sport.
All in all, I’ve enjoyed the playoffs. I don’t usually watch anything but Giants, so it has been interesting to become more familiar with other players and mgrs and, to view them objectively and not simply as opponents facing “my” team.
Good point…I agree, Salt.
after a rather slow start, i think it’s been a good postseason. great performances from great players and some great performances from some unexpected sources- it’s what makes postseason ball so enjoyable. and when it’s over for another season, there will but one team to win it all, the large one, the ultimate prize–the rest are choking dogs…
Contestants: Please make sure you guys send all your remaining picks to Michael. Do not email me them. Thanks. Craig
that was my request. anyone who wants to drop out, just let me know. if i don’t get a sufficient response, the leaders at the end of the league championship series will be declared the winners,
Regardless of how the league championship series pan out, I will be sending you my WS picks (winner and number of games) and also the tie-breaker (which I believe is total runs scored by both teams throughout the entire World Series – is that correct?).
i’ll get back to you- you’re looking good, btw, even if the dodgers don’t move on. hell, you’ve got a shot to win a prize by default.
A lot of fans sometimes label players as “Choke Artists,” until they win the big one. It ain’t fair, usually, but it happens.
oh, don’t misunderstand- i’m absolutely sure that ‘lots of fans’ do that. people who think that way tend to find each other. sort of a match.com for the ill-mannered ‘fan’…
You’ve already said none of us can speak for “most” fans. And a blog like the Flap isn’t representitive of “most” fans anyway. Most fans don’t comment on the internet about this stuff. Just about no one follows sports as closely as people on a blog like the Flap.
what’s your point? you’re backing down on claiming that ‘most fans’ think like you do? if so- good for you. you’ve already walked back on your asserting that beltran has to *win* the series to not be labeled a choke artist.( by you, and ‘lots of fans”). gee, one more win and .. hmmm, what would he be? gotta go with you on this- he’d be better than every player who never played in a world series… but not quite as good as eli whiteside…( crooked grin with a bread crumb on chin)
well, i’m going to give my wife a shower and make her some lunch- where will you be, Z? down at the midget league football field calling the losing kids choke artists?
I don’t remember having claimed that I know what most fans think. But I think there’s a lot of fans that put labels on players who haven’t won a championship. Sure, it’s mostly unfair, but fans follow sports with a lot of passion, and emotions run high. “Fan” is short for “fanatic,” so it’s not always about logic. Who wants everything to be about logic? A lof of life isn’t logical. We each find the things that matter to us.
You missed an earlier point I made. I made a point to say “pro sports” each time. I see a big gap between pro sports and other sports, on a lot of issues.
i didn’t miss anything- a ‘fan’ like you would be the type to bully little kids who had the audacity to lose..and man, ‘But I think there’s a lot of fans that put labels on players who haven’t won a championship.’ yeah kinda like you over and over just yesterday. put down the pipe and move away from the car…yeah, everything isn’t always fair- like labeling people you know nothing about to be f******s
‘I don’t remember having claimed that I know what most fans think’.. again, you’re living in alternate universe, that’s *exactly* what you’ve said. what, have you had the time to edit it out?
Would you say the Koreans and the Cubans play the game a little differently than US born players, Mike?
ask the question you want to ask, chuck- cute doesn’t become you- and ask it of somebody else-i’m hardly the only person who thinks that overly ostentatious displays are unprofessional.
Since you are the one who so outlandishly disagreed with my OPINION of Beltran’s comments, I’m directing the question to you, skippy.
ask willie, he’s much more adamant that your opinion is utter balderdash.
I’ll say this about Puig, he’s a fearsome speciman for a pitcher to have to look at. They’re staring in at a batter that could literally kill them with a swing of the bat. Well, any batter could, but Puig is built like some kind of V-shaped superman. His future in MLB is extremely interesting. Will he fully live up to all that potential? The Giants will be seeing the answer to that question from up-close.
He’s a lot like Pence. Why they ever see strikes is beyond me.
Cute? It’s a question plain and simple. I’ve heard comments (not here) that Puig didn’t learn the game the ‘right way’ because he didn’t come up through the minors. That he would be more respectful of the game if he learned his craft in the US instead of Cuba. You dismiss my Beltran stance as being ludicrous. So I infer what I want from your comments. 2 way street, skippy. Since you are so wont to throw everyone under the bus, here’s your spot next to the back wheel.
I thought Beltran’s comments were whining regarding Puig. You don’t think so, therefore I’m an asshole who has no clue, and you go off on your usual hyperbolic rocket ride to asbsurdium. Your opinion is that the comments were valid. i don’t. Get it? Of course not. Your opinion in your head is the right one, and we all have to share that point. Hence the term blog nanny.
Besides, that question above is valid. Should Cubans and Koreans subsume their (apparent) joy at playing baseball when they sign with US teams? What’s the unwritten rule, Oracle? One fist pump when hitting a double? 2 warrants a rib shot? You profess to disavow the unwritten rulebook, but what are they supposed to do regarding their perception of hotdoggery on the playing field? Write an unwritten letter to the other team?
I’m not going into it with with you again. i’ll just say this- no one has prevented you from demonstrating that you’re an asshole with no clue. have a nice afternoon.
And I’ve easily demonstrated that you can’t support your opinion. Have a nice day.
i don’t choose to go over it again and again. if it makes you happy, i’ll declare you the winner-
Well hotdogs are made out of “Lips and Assholes”
That’s my stance on Puig and the Dodgers.
Kat, don’t add kraut to that dog or we’re going to have WWIII, what with the Fascist and all.
i think y’all better git back to the holler, bozo. goober be eatin’ all the racoon cheeks..
Ah twinnie,
Isn’t it about time for you to call everyone on this blog a racist again? I mean hasn’t someone, in your opinion rooted more for Posey than one of your pet rocks? Perhaps instead of chastising others for what they say you might want to rethink your own comments, or to paraphrase you – calling flappers ‘racist’ because they root for another player is despicable and hateful. I wasn’t able to find where Zum said what you said he did, perhaps the argument has been going on for days, weeks? I don’t know, and don’t care. I was trying to lighten up what I’ve seen and you decided to bring it. Sorry if it hindered your highjacking of the blog. Hey maybe Z was bringing up that in 1948 the arch was compared to an arch imagined by Benito Mussolini? I don’t know and I’m not going back to find out. But I will take you on as you cherry pick what I’ve said here. Although, I am a bit busy so my responses might not be as quick as you want. So please continue to exercise your ego while waiting.
And, please don’t send me another Email telling me that your ex wife and your friend don’t think you insulted my wife, I do. So again, using your words from your racist rage “If the shoe fits, wear it”, and yes, I do believe that raccoon moccasin does fit you.
‘read much?
‘ they could see that i meant nothing disparaging but they could also see why you would take exception. so while i never meant anything untoward, i apologize to you and your wife. ‘
but where you get that i called anybody a racist? and if don’t you know what’s going on, maybe you should stfu. i don’t have an ex-wife and you know it, you despicable asshole- i have a disabled wife who i care for.
no dipshit, he said (referring to st. louis fans) it would be tough watching ‘self-satisfied red-clad Midwestern fascists in the seats celebrate their robotic conformity’ . i can’t imagine why anyone woukld take exeption to that..
you too, zumiee!
ZUMIEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is so weird…first and only time I have EVER pulled for the Dodgers…talking about being conflicted. I’m more mixed-up than a feather in a typhoon.
But WTF…I do want to win the PC/external drive.
there are good guys on the bums. just root for them.
I agree, Michael…True for all teams.
Fuck the Bums…but win the series! 😉
Fricking Little Titty’s GIDP was the killer.
those silly announcers-it’s not the SUN-the FUN got in his eyes!!!
uh-oh- you know what this means- the series goes back…to, to… that place!
Home of those goose stepping Budweiser Clydesdales. 😉
soon to be some of those famous st. louis ribs…
Sphincters tightening a little in the Midwest. They well remember last year’s NLCS. But the game(s) are in St. Louis, that’s something. Of course, Game 6 is against Kershaw, so that’s something else. I’ve always felt there’s just about as much pressure on both teams in a Game 6. The team with the one-game lead doesn’t want to play a Game 7, feeling like they let their advantage slip away.
The Cardinal pitching finally burped today. They’ve gotten the 3-2 game lead with pitching, obviously. The series batting averages of the 8 position players today…..yikes:
.263, .176, .250, .158, .176, .176, .118, .077
well, the cards should be ok- kershaw’s no zito!
I have no idea why the Goodreads widget to the right changed its format. Goodreads must have made a change. I wouldn’t begin to know how to make a change like that.
i thought it was pretty cool- the entire books right here on the flap…
Sweet.
“WASHINGTON (AP) — Up against one last deadline, Congress raced to pass legislation Wednesday avoiding a threatened national default and ending a 16-day partial government shutdown along the strict terms set by President Barack Obama when the twin crises began.
“We fought the good fight. We just didn’t win,” conceded House Speaker John Boehner as lawmakers lined up to vote on a bill that includes nothing for Republicans demanding to eradicate or scale back Obama’s signature health care overhaul.”
yeah, 3 whole months before we get to do it all over again. but maybe , just maybe, this signals the end of partisan bickering and the dawning of a new day when both sides of the aisle reach around, er, reach ACROSS the barrier and … well, uh,.. maybe not..
Most of you probably don’t remember but my last post was saying that this place wouldn’t last. I followed the Flap from it’s inception on blogspot & also read the Splash before that. I started to read the blogs after my marriage broke up & it was something to look forward to everyday just to distract me from everyday life. I stopped reading for 2 years but recently I thought hey, I wonder if that oneflapdown blog is still going? I was happy to see that it was & that it was stronger than ever. Glad to see Flavor still writing awesome posts that make you think, Twin still going strong & all of the rest of you still blogging. This place has gotten stronger, not worse as I predicted. I was way off. No excuses. I was wrong. Just one hope … please stay like brothers. Don’t let disagreements come too far between you – I don’t think you will as you haven’t as of yet. Just 2 cents from a former sometime poster/ current follower. Great stuff guys … always & hopefully forever. Giants4Life.
well, it’s just 3 guys with multiple screens names…and yes, the disagreements are a thing of the past, we’re brothers, brothers inder the sun – uh, yesterday’s thread, you might want to skip it..just a lot of really boring stuff…
seriously, nice to see you.
Yesterdays thread may have had something to do with my post today but nothing is confirmed. Glad you are doing well Twin.
well, welcome to amityville..
The ‘horrors’ always happen in the offseason. Idle hands are the devil’s workshop as they say. Idle Giants’ fans are the same. Ready for that green grass of ST myself but I also love the fall & winter leading up to it. No choice for me anyway. 4 seasons here.
well, i’ve got several hundred games to watch, about 60 episodes of ‘breaking bad’, football.. it’ll get me thru to spring training , god willing and all that shit. and there’s always the ‘joaquin arias and brett pill for mike trout’ trades to get a chuckle from. i’m giving another pc away and a usb turnatable for converting vinyl to digital . my goal is for all the flappers to have a free pc to insult me from.
I promise if I ever am lucky enough to win a PC I will be sure to insult you too. Definitely looking forward to the hot stove league this year. Never been a dvr guy … too much pressure to keep up. I tend to watch movies I already know I love. I know … boring.
Hey– I remember your last post well, you said it would be your final post here ever, lol
But I have hoped you would come back, and today you did. You’re posts always have many layers to them, thanks for that. Keep reading and keep posting if you feel like it or have something to say.
You’re always welcome here, ’78
Thanks Flav … yeah I always knew I would post again eventually. Just in a bad place then.
I remember seeing your posts, 78. I hope all the negative stuff is behind you. And, if you have it in you, I hope to see you on a more regular basis. There is always room for more…thanks for dropping in, again.
Thanks Chi, much respect for your posts here over the years. I will try not to be a stranger.
Kumbaya to you too, motherrrrrrrrfuuuuu . . . uh, friend! Stick around this time.
Yeah, I do remember that handle from a ways back. Welcome back to unreality.
Thanks. Unreality is definitely a welcome change.
I have this vision that, in the future, we’ll all be able to download our minds and personalities directly into the Flap, so that we can debate baseball for a billion years into the future, until the sun’s loss of mass causes it to expand and burn up the Earth, leaving the Earth a frozen piece of charcoal floating through space.
Right before that happens, the Flap can be downloaded into some kind of space probe and sent into other galaxies, where aliens with 8 legs can be taught baseball and what OPS means.
It’s a truly grand vision.
If OPS spider aliens can happen it will be here.
it would be quite a hoot if denny and capon won the prizes.
It would be a hoot, but with all due respect as they are Flap brothers, screw them…I want to win that damned PC…
Zumie, your 6:02 had me laughing hard…POTD material IMNSHO…
I think the NLCS goes to a game 7. How can you bet against Kershaw. Arguably the best pitcher in the game today.
Zoom– that 6:02 is unadulterated gold, I’ve been looking for something like this to dump into the POTD-best of. Since’78 reminded me of that dormant section of the blog (he’s got a post+ in there).
So in honor of Since’78’s return, I will dump this post, which is epic, into the POTD-best of (after dinner 🙂 )
I just looked in the “Best of” POTD bin, hadn’t been in there for a while. Dang, there’s some good stuff in there…
Ha…I just went and checked-out the “Best of,” too. Ran across some old Haiku. Shit, once the playoffs are over…throw another log on the Hot Stove (I have Sabean on speed-dial) and bust out a couple of Haikus!