Race to Save Face
i said i had some surprises in store. so here’s the scoop- i have 4 consolation prizes up for grabs. i thought about it and it’s always seemed unfair that people who are lousy at things get nothing but scorn for their pathetic stabs at competence. the guy who couldn’t spell ‘cat’ if you spotted him the ‘c’ and the ‘t’, the woman who submitted this at the ‘pillsbury bake-off’
you get the idea. well, this is for the contestants who demonstrated with varying degrees of ineptitude that they will never be nicknamed ‘( insert first name) the greek”. without further ado, the first prize in the “Race to Save Face” is a logitech washable usb keyboard– i have one of these, and they’re great, and yes, you really can wash it.
two Kingston Digital 8 GB USB 2.0 Hi-speed Datatraveler Flash Drives will be the next prizes. you all know what flash drives are- these 8 gb drives are great for sharing porn with your degenerate pals- what’s more disgustingly delightful than a senior citizen’s game of ‘limp biscuit’…
the final prize is a mystery prize. note- you’ll want to make sure you have a roof that can support 2.2 tons. you might to hire a structural engineer. our drivers and lift operators will always have your family’s safety in mind. since the unfortunate accident that we had NO WAY TO ANTICIPATE , the prize will not be situated above the children’s bedroom.
the race will be conducted in stages, the keyboard will be awarded after game 3, october 26 in st. louis. contestants will pick the runs scored by both teams. tie breaker will be total hits from both teams. this is open to all contestants with ‘none chance’ to win. it’s up to the contestant to determine if he has a chance. by entering the contest for the keyboard, you are not eligible for the two top prizes. those contestants who did not send in picks for the world series are also welcome to compete for the consolation prizes.
email your picks by game time october 26 to
michael.scott2@mchsi.com
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btw, the prizes are all new in their original packaging. only ocassionally do i give away damaged, ‘pre-owned’, or worthless crap.
Very cool Mike. That sucks that the flash drives won’t come pre-loaded with porn. But probably better, as porn can be such a personal thing. You know…one guy likes huge melons and the next guy likes Asian squeelers (Ted, Paul, your’s truly…), you get the drift.
and i’ve heard that roosters get off on a little hen-hen action…
Geez Twin, was that a dig at me and my avatar…”Kat”
never! i’m a HUGE fan of ‘k’ usage. my former barber before i went to ‘hair in a can’ was ‘ralphie’s kustom kuts’. he was the guy whose shop was next to my ‘easy street oyster bar’ in phoenix. we went to the dog races together. he must have kut a lot of hair because he had 3 or 4 hundred in every race, and rarely went home a winner. his downfall was that of many gamblers- he was contantly running back to the window to cover his bets. i’d seen him catch a long shot exacta and lose money.one of my favorite ralphie stories was a night when he had like 400 bucks in a race and when the gates opened, one of them stuck. when that happens, it’s a ‘no race’ and everybody gets their money back. so ralphie comes bouncing back joyously clutching his 400 dollars, yelling ‘ i broke even, i broke even!!”……………….’uh, ralphie, you were even before we got in the car’…inkredible!
Ah-Ha! this must be why the Cards could not play infield any better than the Bad News Bears last night :
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/cardinals-pitching-prospect-suggests-boston-jon-lester-threw-134202958–mlb.html?page=2
Whaaaa. Whaaaa Whaaaaaaa.
Hey, somebody stick an avocado or some vaseline in that kids mouth…I’m trying to get a nap over here!
The Deadbirds got their asses handed to them fair and square. Pass the guacamole, please.
And remind them that there is “no crying in baseball.”
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Tyler Melling ?????
A 39th round pick talking “Smack” really?WTF your lucky “ANY TEAM”drafted your sorry ass.STFU you POS!!!
Like Chi said…Theirs no crying in baseball!!
Twin,just wondering?can I put the washable keyboard in the washing machine and then in the dryer as well?
Are does that void the Warranty?
i do mine on ‘light load, warm/cold water’ setting for wash, and on ‘tumble dry’ for the drying. caution- wash and dry your speakers in a seperate load.
Well, the green glob on Lester’s glove was not the reason the Cards played like Little Leaguers and lost the game, but interesting that MLB is sweeping it under the rug when rule 8.02(4) clearly states that; “The pitcher shall not (4) apply a foreign substance of any kind to the ball…”
“What? Bullfrog sunscreen mixed with pine tar is a foreign substance??? Get outa here”
Uh, if ANYONE in the Cards org thought something shady was going on last night, why the fuck wasn’t it brought up then? Tell them whiney-assed bitches to STFU and play ball.
In a statement MLB spokesman Pat Courtney addressed the matter:
Statement from MLB on Lester allegedly using foreign substance: “We cannot draw any conclusions from this video. There were no complaints…
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) October 24, 2013
…from the Cardinals and the umpires never detected anything indicating a foreign substance throughout the game.”
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) October 24, 2013
From an article I read on the topic that sums it up pretty good: “So the mystery will probably never be solved, but at least now, if nothing else, Cardinals fans have a built-in excuse if the series continues to go the Red Sox’s way.”
I would say that Wainright had a Kershaw moment. the Baseball Gods looked down on ST L and said you laughed to much at Kershaw, let you feel his pain!!
And I am sure Wainright and the Cards would rather have this in game 1 than in a do or die situation like the Dodgers.
maybe the cards can hope for a series like the epic 1960 series where the bucs won in 7 despite being out scored 55-27.
I remember that series and was a Yankee fan because my mom liked them. Everybody liked the Yankees. Well almost everybody.
Pythagoras must have been . . . leaping from the funeral pyre.
i remember someone said that the bucs were lucky it wasn’t stroke play..
actually, nip, the yankees were pretty despised outside of ny- and even there it depended on the borough. but hating the yanks was great for baseball- beating them was huge. they played in 15 world series between 1947 and 1964, and won 10 of them. besides their regular farm system, kansas city was their unofficial ‘aaaa’ farm team. despite having a very good team ( mazeroski, groat, smokey burgess, skinner, stuart, friend, vernon law, haddix, vinegar bend mizell, elroy face, and the great clemente), the bucs were big underdogs in the ’60 series. but, like every team, they wanted to face the yanks in the series.
Looks like Matty is the front-runner for the Nats job, hope he gets it. Tried to find a video of his Babe Ruth impression during that rain delay in ’94 but it doesn’t seem like one exists. There are some great pics of ’91’s turn-back-the-clock day though http://tinyurl.com/kabj56t
Hey Since! Yeah, I was at turn back the clock day in 87 i think, and Williams did it before the game in the 1912 style jerseys. It was hysterical.
Uh, yeah, it ws 91.
Doh!
Hey Chuck – I’ve never been to SF so must have been cool. Been away so sorry for the late response.
Following along on MLBTR stuff, which admittedly are only rumors of who might be available, etc. as potential LF replacements, seen talk about following:
Corey Hart–hit 87 HRs in 3 yrs for brewcrew, tho none of course last year when he didn’t play. RH, seems to enjoy home yard a lot, road parks not so much.
Mark Trumbo–30/100 guy for Angels, not high avg. K’s a lot. Kills LHP, not RHP. SF answer to Brandon moss?
Allan Jay—not a power hitter at all who may be odd man out in STL OF, LH. Cheapest of the bunch.
Brain McCann definitely available as LH. Would likely involve SF moving Posey to 1b, and (if not traded somewhere else to acquire bat or pitching) Belt to LF.
Any of these guys worth looking at, or just more mediocrity? Do you want a guy like Brandon Moss in middle of LU? Worked for A’s I guess; dunno if it would work for SF…
Jon Jay, Allen Craig being the injured guy who DHed last night.
Yawn…….
McCann seems to me a strange move. LH batter, so his power is negated somewhat at ATT, he’s slow, so he’s not legging out many xtra base hits into right center. At 29, he’s not old, but for a catcher, that’s not young. Adequate defensively, not as good as Posey. But, then what happens? If Buster to 1b, then Belt to LF or he gets traded for a LFer. If Buster to 3b, Panda gets traded for a LF, Belt stays at 1b. IF Belt is traded, he leaves just when he’s figuring out how to hit, and for pop, and is still cheap, while McCann is expensive, and substitutes in for Belt’s LH bat, with power negated by the park. Trading Belt means you’re switching him for an older McCann and an unknown player(s) with a net salary increase, no increase in RH pop unless the unknown player brings that. All the way around, if McCann comes the D is degraded at 2, maybe 3 positions, for a LH power bat weakened from historical production by new home park conditions, when you need RH power bats for ATT. It might make some sense if he were a RH hitter. Thumbs down…
In regards to 78’s post on Matty Williams landing the Nat’s managerial job, Jon Heyman has confirmed it is a done deal, although it is not known when the official announcement will be made. Congrats to Matt…glad to see him getting a shot at a managerial position.
Chi, I don’t think any team can make a major announcement until after the WS.
The Post says Matt’s Grandpa played for the Senators in 1924. This link has some great stuff from the games he got into against the Yanks. It appears the Yanks had some fellow named Ruth playing the OF and some guy named Pipp playing 1B.
http://tinyurl.com/lcmjda3
78 – thanks for sharing that link. I was at that game in ’91, too. Great memories. Loved Williams with the pillow in his jersey doing The Babe impersonation. Great shots…awesome memories.
No problem Chi – been away for a couple of days so thanks.
ok, we now have our #1 starting pitcher, a question mark #2, a question mark #4, now we need a legit 2, a legit 5 ( signing tim makes getting 2 more starters a must- more than getting a lfer.) get marlon byrd and uribe, the 2 starting pitchers and a solid middle/late reliever and we’ll be fine. cost- 20 mill per year tanaka, 10 mill vargas, 3 mill byrd, 8 mill uribe, 4 mill reliever- total 45 mill. payroll then sits at 160 million, with misc raises, we’ll say 170 million. that’s a raise of about 30 mill from last year and neccessary if they hope to compete for the division, not just for the chance to work their asses off for a shot at a one game playoff .
Isn’t Vargas also a bit of a question mark?
actually less than timmy, who had the 4th worst era of the 84 pitchers who pitched 300 or more innings over the last two years. but fercissakes sake, he’d be the 4 or 5. i’m open to suggestions. the thing with timmy, they could get the 4 and the 5 for the same amount *total* that they’re paying tim- and get less iffy guys for the bucks.
vargas probably could be had for what he’s getting now due to the blood clot. hee was rusty in his return but his bb/so rate was very good.
1.madbum 2. tanaka 3. cain. 4. timmy 5. vargas
I’d be pretty happy with that rotation. nice speculation. If they don’t score someone who;s likely to be top flight like Tanaka, assembling a few reclamation projects like Vargas would lend some hope. I wonder if Josh Johnson can still throw 93-94 after his latest surgery.
i might have over valued vargas. but here’s a list of free agents who might be of interest-
1/2 candidates- tanaka, garza
# 5 candidates- vargas, maholm, haren,feldman,scott baker
minor league contracts (make good)- marcum,colby lewis
guys like nolasco and ervin santana are too expensive for their talent level.
i go *hard* for tanaka- like i said the other day, he’ll cost a couple mill more than timmy, and he’s younger and better. a solid ace level guy. of the 5’s, i’m falling in love with the idea of scott baker. he just came off tj suregry and looked good.he could be a 3 level pitching in the 5.
my minor league make good guys are just that. i was going to add dirrrrrrrty but i’d get too much grief over it.
so my oh so fluid starting 5 is now madbum, tanaka, cain, timmy, baker. vogie and petit can battle baker for the 5. i don’t mention gaudin anymore, i think he’s groped his way out. you’re talking a sick puppy there.
Fwiw, believe the photographer Martha in that link is married to chron writer Bruce Jenkins.
That’s interesting salty – thanks for the info.
Twin – do not disagree with what needs to happen next re: your 10:28, but I see no way they raise the payroll by that much. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
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https://www.fanduel.com/how-it-works
I was reading about this site yesterday in a sports column and ironically, Flavor sent me an email this morning telling me about this same site. Craig said in part, “. . . . HUGE money is getting won there every day. I played a $10 league last week (1,116 players) and nabbed 5th place ($500). It was deposited into my account immediately.” I joined this afternoon and am in a Wednesday night $10 entry fee NBA basketball tournament with a 1st place $2000.00 payout, with 164th place paying $30. By the by, if you do join, give either Flav or I credit as references, they give bonus points (money) back to us.
I’m already in a Yahoo Pro FL basketball league for $100/$600 1st place, but you have to play all season. I’ll probably play this fan duel all season long in basketball and possibly football.
hey guys- don’t forget about the ‘race to save face’. get me some picks today.
What do you need again?
‘the keyboard will be awarded after game 3, october 26 in st. louis. contestants will pick the runs scored by both teams. tie breaker will be total hits from both teams. this is open to all contestants with ‘none chance’ to win. it’s up to the contestant to determine if he has a chance. by entering the contest for the keyboard, you are not eligible for the two top prizes.’
email your picks by game time october 26 to
michael.scott2@mchsi.com
So I have not been keeping up with who everyone thinks the Giants shoudl pick up. Anyone know anything about these three
Rajai Davis Left Fielder
Phil Huges Pitcher
Josh Johnson
Some writer over on Bleacherreport gave these guys good marks. They are not great just strong players.
Davis can’t hit right handers, but is productive when in a game, e.g., lots of steals. Strictly a platoon player in my mind. Hughes is a good pitcher AWAY from Yankee stadium. He is a fly ball pitcher and that right field porch has murdered him. Josh Johnson is injury prone and hasn’t had a good season in 3 years.
Kev, out of the aforementioned, I would possibly take a flyer on Hughes.
the reason i like johnson over hughes- he’s been better than hughes when both have been healthy. and i think hughes would cost too much for an iffy guy. we have a lot of those. if he was available for a minor deal, yes- but he’ll probably get 7 or 8 mill per year. that’s my reasoning, for what it’s worth…
my opinions-
rajai.i’ve always loved the guy since he gave us a spark in a dreary 2007. but he’s worse than blanco, so why?
hughes- former ‘can’t miss’- injuries, injuries. he can’t escape them. no thanks.
johnson-4.52 ERA over 272⅔ innings last two years, didn’t finish 2013 season with forearm injury. he’s also had other injuries that have plagued him the last couple years. i’d add him to the minor league deals if someone doesn’t sign to a major league deal, if gets healthy, big if, he could be a real steal.
If you have 5 minutes or so, interesting article on the ’67 World Series: RSox v. Cards. Pitching was key in post-season then, as it is today. Cards had one thing the RSox didn’t — Bob Gibson.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/world-series-matchup-flashes-back-to-1967?ymd=20131025&content_id=63346402&vkey=news_mlb
zumiee- you probably know this already, but there is user using your real name posting on the new splash. you might check it out. reading his comments, it can’t be you.
With Matt Williams getting the Nats manager job, looks like the trend is to hire ex players with little to no managerial experience. Metheny, Mattingly, Gibson, now Matt. I root for the guys like Wotus that have paid their dues as negligible players, then learned the game inside and out by managing in the minors, then up to the big clubs as coaches. Maybe the thinking now is the money is so crazy for paying these players, the GM needs a former big time player to “relate” to the players, or keep their respect. If that’s the trend, I don’t see it as a particularly good one for the game. I’d like to see Wotus get a promotion somewhere soon…
i agree. one thing i’ve always liked about wotus is that, unlike many ‘bench coaches’, we see him up really coaching all the time. the bummer for a guy like ron is that probably the only managing gig he might get is one with a dreadful team with ownership determined to keep them dreadful. so it’s one or two years and out and he never gets a whiff again..
Could be true, kinda like Quade and Sveum for the Cubs. Sacrificial lambs. From what I read, the Cubs now have some pretty good minor league talent ready to make hay; I think Wotus would be perfect for that kind of situation. But, I don’t see Wotus discussed as having any shot at the Cubs, though several other org’s bench coach types have been or are supposed to be interviewed by Epstein. Why Wotus wouldn’t be at least on a Cubs list is a headscratcher to me, at least on merit. He’s operated at the highest levels of the game for a decade, two WS rings. Hell, he’s been around and dealt with different players from goofs like Timmy, to Belt, to all the Latin guys, to hardass Bonds and all the steroid kerfuffle. I wonder if the association with Bonds, even a tenuous one such as being a bench coach would seem to be, is a negative for Wotus? Whether at Cubs or Seattle or elsewhere, I’d like to see him get a nice payday in a game where little talent and who you know is often greatly rewarded…
I forgot Ryne Sandberg for the Phills as another example of top ex-players as managers. Hiring MLB managers and coaches is not particularly driven by ideas of a meritocracy. GM Rizzo of the Nats was with the Dbacks earlier, so he knows Matt Williams. Mattingly was brought into the Dodgers by Torre when Joe was there. Torre would never have brought aboard a guy with no managing/coaching experience like Mattingly unless he knew him from the Yankee connection…
Some guys, ( right or wrong) get labeled as coaches only. Matt Williams should make a good manager. He’s got credibility, smarts, sense of humor, a little experience at it…
Btw, IF, and or when Posey changes positions, it would most likely be 3B not 1B.
I agree that Matt should be a good manager. I suspect Posey would be better off at 3B, also. He’s played SS in college, he has a good arm, it could work. I would hate to lose Belt’s defense at 1B; it will be, if not already, in gold glove territory for the next decade…
i forget, what was his reason for using peds. it must have been ‘jimmy did it’ because he gets zero flak for it. ok, now i remember- a doctor told him it was a good idea to take human growth hormone-right … i don’t have a problem with a an admitted user staying in baseball- even though mlb is pretty fickle about that. but matt chose a laughable lie to explain his usage. and he bought other peds and has never discussed them and his usage.
there are too many users have been drummed out of baseball for mlb to be welcoming *some* of the users and rewarding them with high level jobs.
Matt was in the Mitchell report. He supposedly used HGH for an injury. Supposedly about $12Gs worth, back in 2002 or thereabouts. Isn’t the excuse of choice usually “I used the stuff only a short time because of an injury”? Pettitte said something similar as his excuse, as did FPSantageroid. This issue was brought up by bloggers in today’s WashPost column by Boswell. If former PEDs use were a barrier to management/coaching in baseball, the applicant pool would probably be severely reduced for players of Matt’s generation, and the ongoing generation, too. Part of not being villified for being a PEDs user is apparently just keeping your head down and mouth shut afterwards, and the press likes you — that helps. Bonds did not and the press hated him, plus he was the wrong color for lots of folks. I’ll go out on a limb and say Bonds is probably not a teaparty favorite athlete…
i know what matt said, that he used hgh for injury because a ‘doctor’ told him to..but he never addressed where the other peds he bought went to or *in*. i consider the guys who only fessed up after they were ‘suits’ to be the worst kind. like i’ve said many times and i know i’m in the minority- i don’t disapprove of the use, they’re only doing what athletes have done for centuries. what i detest is the stupid ass lies they tell. they’re a lot like my customers who bring their porn and virus infected pcs- cousin mort did it..
it’s a sacrilege around some parts, but his best position after catcher might be left field. he’s not the same guy who played ss and 3rd in school. despite his weight, ‘el flabula’, as a splash troll calls pablo, is quick and agile as a fielder, buster’s legs have already slowed him down considerably and he’s clunky even at first base. he’d be a statue at third whereas a good hitting statue is almost a prerequisite for left field.
I mentioned that sometime ago and not many agreed with me on the move to LF. These days I feel his best position would be to continue catching or play for another team. No one, I mean no one I know, agrees with trading him, but I really think this would be the best year for it, unless we ride him until he drops at catcher. Just my opinion.
nobody agreed with me on the lf thing, either.
kevin, i got your picks for the first leg of the ‘race to save face’. you’re the first.
Alright!!! I could be the winner by default!!!
shit, you might get all of the consolation prizes. actually, if i don’t get more than 4 participants, i’ll give all the prizes to the first four to email me their picks. that’s for the ‘race to oblivion’, the main contest is as-is.
All things equal, I like LH throwing 1bmen over RH throwers…
What about a consolation prize for just breathing? A prize for being wide awake at 3 AM?
Nippy, you need to lay off that 8-ball of coke everynight.You will find out you actually will get some sleep.
Throw a trade out there….
Panda & Romo for Alex Gordon & Arron Crow.
ok- i have exactly one guy who has even shown interest in the ‘race to save face’. it’s not a joke contest. i know the deadline isn’t until gametime today but the response has been rather underwhelming. so i’ve decided that i need at least 5 contestants for each leg of the contest or that leg will be canceled due to lack of interest. today’s prize is the washable logitech usb keyboard. besides being washable, it’s a very good keyboard, no cheapo pos.
the challenge is to pick the total runs scored in tonight’s game with the tie breaker being the total number of hits, you do not pick a game winner.
since the idea of this contest is to award consolation prizes to maintain interest for those who are not in the running for the main contest, it’s only open to those of you who have been eliminated in that that contest. i did the math and salty, denny, rooster, birddog, and chi are the contenders for the main contest. all of those with 7 points or less are eligible for the ‘race to save face’. so get your frigging picks in for tonight’s game. this isn’t hard- have the dog scratch it out in the dirt. i know some of you are dropping doughnut crumbs onto your keyboard as we speak- you *need* that keyboard.
Nip, you’re scaring me. Get some rest, eh?
I work out a few times a week and scrimmage with b-ball kids, but I’m big on *recovery time*.
Unrelated to baseball, I just read where The Warriors signed Andrew Bogut to a three-year, $43 million extension on Friday. He played just 24.6 minutes per game in 32 outings with the team last year, but the team not having Bogut makes them very weak inside. They look to be going for it now with signing Andre Iguodala to a big deal, so it makes sense that they’d give the Aussie a raise. Bogut can be a productive player on the court as long as he’s healthy. I have both of these players on one of my fantasy league teams (the free one) and they are “value” picks in the later FL rounds. I hope both of them contribute to the Warriors this season.
A hope and pray.
Don’t bet your life savings on Bogut staying healthy.
Another unrelated to baseball- the most surprising sports-related thing I heard this week was Tony Romo’s age. He’s 33? For some reason I thought he was like 28 or something. Olbermann did a big thing on Romo. Basically Olbermann was saying a lot of people excuse things about Romo because they feel like he’s still on some kind of learning curve, but the reality is, at this point in his career, Romo is who he is.
an interesting thought for lf,ib, catcher- belt to lf, mike napoli for 1b, napoli is decent defensively at first, pretty poor at the catcher position- but so is hector. this can work. regular line up has buster catching, napoli at first, belt in left. with a lead late, belt takes over 1st and blanco or perez go to left ( ideally they both go in for defense, one to cf). when buster takes a day, napoli catches, belt to first, blanco or perez to lf. cut down buster’s 1st base starts and when napoli needs his breather, belt plays first, blanco or perez lf. this would all work quite well and napoli’s rh power would play well here. . plus we get flexibility if buster moves out the catcher position. downside- napoli will be very expensive.
i think they’d have to get the #2 starting pitcher and napoli and call it a day. but that would a pretty fair haul. it would bump the payroll to about 155 million plus misc raises.
pagan, scooter/abreu, belt, posey, pence, napoli, sandoval, crawford- that’s a potent lu if pablo has to bat 7th
TF, thanks for the heads up on the Splash. Looks like one of the trolls there is poking at me for no apparent reason. I haven’t even posted on the Splash for years, and I rarely even check out Henry’s posts anymore. Those kinds of unmoderated sites are lost causes, IMO.
i don’t know if he still moderates the new site but you might emailing vlae kershner. it can’t be within the rules to post using another user’s real name.
vk@sfgate.com
I’ve been reading Edward Rutherfurd’s first novel “Sarum.” It’s a very long historical novel about England, particularly the southern part, in the Stonehenge area. Really good stuff. The guy’s terrific. He’s written about 8 novels or so, and I’d like to read all of them eventually. But they’re all in the 800-1000 page range, so it’s more of a longterm project, God-willing, and the creek don’t rise, etc. 🙂
the babe
a delightful photo, darling even.
turn back the clock day, 1991.manager roger craig poses with team photographer martha jane stanton
Always funny to see Roger as he looks exactly like my father. I used to cut pictures out of my family & paste them on baseball & basketball cards (manually) … my Dad as Roger Craig was always a favorite.
Just a weird observation about Matty becoming Nats manager. In the ’94 strike year he lead the majors in HR’s with 43 & he is taking over the team that had the most wins (74-40) as the Expos. That shit can only happen in baseball.
kevin and steve will compete for the logitech keyboard and 8 gb flash drive.
kevin total runs 8, hits 12
steve 10 runs total,15 hits
closest to runs scored will win keyboard, the other will win flashdrive. kevin and steve are welcome to exchange prizes if they wish. the rest of the ‘race to save face’ is cancelled due to zero interest.
craig- maybe you want to do a new thread.
i did one, craig.
new thread.