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My Top 12 Predictions for the mlbtraderumors.com Prediction Contest

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 10, 2013

I’m not sure how many of you did the mlbtraderumors contest but here are my top 12 (there are 50 but I couldn’t snip all of them so I just went top 12):



I recognize there’s some redundancy with Tanaka and Garza going to the Art Dealers but this is a very difficult contest so any hit counts like gold. Last year’s winner got like 19 right (something like that).

#11 is more of a dream of mine than anything that will likely happen……

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  1. twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 8:25 am

    I had already started this on the last thread-
    “Alritey then- Niners/Carolina. CK passing yard since week 1- 1172 YDs, 167 per game, 6 TD 5 INT. But what was more troubling- he wasn’t making plays running either. The good news-the last two weeks he’s looked more like the guy from last year- the passing yards aren’t big, but he’s stretching it out- about 10 yds. per attempt the last two, and he’s running with authority. With Manningham back and an extra week for Harbaugh to prepare, I look for a big game for Colin and a big win- 31-17…
    As to the MLBTR contest, frankly I’m just concerned with who the Giants and the rest of the NL West do. In that vein, there was a comment by Dierkes on MLBTR about the asking prices from Nolasco and Santana, and although he referred to the Yankees and Tanaka, it was a point I’ve also made- with Nolasco and Santana looking for 80-100 mill and 4 or 5 years , the pursuit of Tanaka, a “potential No. 2 starter, makes more sense than paying big bucks for a No. 3 or 4 type.”..

    • willedav said, on November 10, 2013 at 8:40 am

      ezzackly. The $$$ to me are less imp than the quality of what you are getting. 3 or 4 yrs at that rate for Nolasco sounds ridiculous, like everyone is basing it on what Lincecum got for how he has performed last couple years.. Besides, the last couple times they faced him, as I recall SF lit his ass up, including once at ATT. Go get a better player that will help the team more.

  2. willedav said, on November 10, 2013 at 8:35 am

    maybe the leopard changed his spots, but Ubaldo was a total dickhead with rox. Let him stay in the AL. I’d rather have Garza, who had fine season with Cubs (unlike most of his teammates). I’m really hoping SF picks up a top end SP, but I still think even an Arroyo will help lower the runs against considerably more than TL
    I remember thinking seachickens strained to beat Caro on the road and laughing about it, wasn’t score like 12-7? I think Caro is legit and should give SF good game, 23-16 ish. SF looks good enough to me tho I don’t see them all that much. too much parity, not enough truly good teams in either conference.

    Um, pls explain to me why Choo would leave a contender in a park where he rakes for Seattle? I know they moved the fences in, but no way that team competes with A’s and Texas. At some point doesn’t the money become less relevant that winning it all? Isn’t that why he left Cleveland? I mean, how many freaking million can you spend?

    • twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 10:20 am

      Usually there’s some smoke before the fire and I just haven’t much showing any interest in Ubaldo here. It’s mostly been Arroyo, Haren, Nolasco and recently Tanaka talk has picked up.

  3. blade3colorado said, on November 10, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Willie, have you ever been to Cincinnati? Arm pit of a city. Conversely, Seattle is a beautiful city; they moved in the fences; team and community are especially accommodating toward asians; and, it is a hop skip and jump (direct flight) to his home in S. Korea. Makes perfect sense to me that Choo would want to go there. Also, Choo wants to get paid, i.e., after his DUI a couple of years ago, he knew he had to rebuild his “brand” and did it gladly, with much humility . . . Now, the time has come for him to get paid. I’m happy for him.

    Regarding Ubaldo, you’re right about him – he is a bit of a head case, e.g., mostly due to a fragile confidence. However, I wouldn’t call him a dick head. Two of his team mates, Cargo and Tulo, got paid after their outstanding seasons a couple of years ago. Ubaldo got figuratively butt fucked, as they didn’t offer him an extended contract after his equally excellent season (as they did Cargo and Tulo). He was pissed, but kept quiet . . . at least until Tulo ran his mouth after Ubaldo had left for the Indians. This coupled with the Rockies playing him during that game (forgot against which team . . . maybe the Padres) after he was traded, was the final straw. In short, the Rockies showed no class in embarrassing him, especially after what he had accomplished in Colorado. Similarly, Tulo showed even less class, opening his big mouth, denigrating Ubaldo about being a whiner. Tulo doesnt know when to shut up and has been prone to make idiot statements a number of times in Colorado. Frankly, almost as many people dislike Tulo, as like him.

    • twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 11:16 am

      I see Choo going to one of the NY teams and Ellsbury to Seattle…I’m picking the brains of folks who know more of this stuff than I do.
      A few notes on more possibilties for the Giants-
      McCann- I just don’t see it happening, mainly because it would probably leave them looking for a #5 level starting pitcher. But if it’s true that Bochy is pushing hard for him, it’s still a possibilty.
      Hart- intriguing for his power and abilty to play the OF and 1B. We’ve been linked to him seemingly forever and Bochy loves versatile players. Longshot but not out of the question.
      Loney- others have mentioned him, another possibilty if they want to move Belt to LF. They don’t sacrifice defense at both positions with Loney at first. But I don’t trust his 2013 numbers.
      Mike Morse- the prototypical statue in LF or anywhere, really. He does have huge power and he might like Aurelia Plaza. The type of signing Sabean can surprise us with.
      Paul Maholm- plus is he might be had on a one year deal. A possibility if they also get a #2.

    • willedav said, on November 10, 2013 at 11:54 am

      I have been to Seattle a few times on business in the fall. Freaking dreary, rainy and 50s. Lot to see and do sure, but weather is too depressing. Choo is gonna get paid wherever he wants to go, I just don’t see why he’d go to an also ran with bona fide contenders drooling over the guy.
      Wasn’t Ubaldo involved in some c-shit beanball war? That’s what I remember, plus he seemed to come unglued at times when he didn’t have it. Just a guy I never liked, despite his talents.

      • blade3colorado said, on November 10, 2013 at 12:06 pm

        Ubaldo hit Tulo after they exchanged words in the papers. Even though I have Ubaldo going to the Yankees (it has been reported by multiple sources that they want him), it would be a big, big mistake for him to go there. As I alluded to earlier, his psyche is very fragile, and the Yankee circus like atmosphere will eat him alive. By the by, he was the shits in Cleveland as well, until this season (essentially after the All Star break).

        I have been to Seattle more than a dozen times on business (and a couple of times for pleasure), probably for a total of 40-45 days and I think I saw Mt. Bachelor and Mt. Rainier 3-4 days total. As you said, it’s the type of weather that isn’t attractive to me, but for some people, they love it. Certainly for visits, the weather is great – nice and cool, and never humid, sticky hot.

  4. twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Seneca Wallace hurt- the “Tolzein Era” has begun for Green Bay…

  5. blade3colorado said, on November 10, 2013 at 11:52 am

    1. Cano – Yankees
    2. Ellsbury – Cubs
    3. Choo – Mariners
    4. McCann – Giants (shit, why not? LOL)
    5. Odd Job – Giants (WTF?)
    6. Santana – Reunion with Angels (outside shot of Phillies signing him, after saying adiot to Halladay).
    7. Garza – Angels
    8. Kuroda – Farewell tour in Japan.
    9. Burnett – Cubs
    10. Napoli – Yankees
    11. Jimenez – Yankees
    12. Beltran – Red Sox

  6. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 11:54 am

    I believe the “Tolzien Era” falls right after the DeBergzoic Period and before the Drunkenmillerene Epoch in the geological history of shitty 49er QBs.

  7. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Rams 35
    Colts 0

    And its getting worse. We all saw that one coming.

  8. willedav said, on November 10, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    I’m reading a book “Breaking the Line” about 1967 football season for Grambling (with James Harris groomed to be first black QB in the pros) and Florida A&M (Ken riley as one of two rotating QBs) both led by solid conservative old school coaches coming off disappointing seasons amid whisperings times have passed them by.
    Both of course coaching all black schools in south during time of much social disruption, new era of radicalism among black spokespersons, and legal wrangling fought desperately by entrenched white power structure of Deep South. Chilling to read about some of the stuff coaches/families had to go through in those days.
    And now, look at all the highly skilled mobile, intelligent and exciting black QBs in pro and college football.

    • twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 12:43 pm

      A guy I remember is “Jefferson Street Joe Gilliam” a black QB for the Steelers during Bradshaw’s early years. The fans were very unhappy with Bradshaw and I think there was a poll as to who should start between Bradshaw, Gilliam, and Terry Hanratty. Joe got a few starts- he had a big arm and, if recall, a big drug habit. His career was short and his life was as well. I believe he died homeless several years ago…

  9. twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Tolzien actually has some decent numbers other than the INT-down 17-3 he should be able to put up some good yardage-oops, I meant other than the *2* ints..
    NYG are awful but Raiders will figger out how to lose today
    Did you say 35-0 Rams, Dennis? Put down the bottle and move away from the cabinet. Nice and easy now…
    So much for Seattle in tough against Atlanta
    KC has a bye week but Alex is managing the brunch rather well.

  10. snarkk said, on November 10, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    I don’t see any of those 12 going to the Giants. Arroyo seems a likely choice for them. Old, and cheaper. The usual…

    • twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 12:52 pm

      Sabean hasn’t been known for being cheap as much as unwise with many of his high end acquistions.

  11. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    This having to burn TOs is and has been an ugly habit for some time. It’s going to bite us big time, in a big game, and rightfully so until its rectified.

  12. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Did you just see how BAL allowed CIN to send the game into OT on the final play Hail Mary?
    Knock it down!

  13. Bozo said, on November 10, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    I would just like to take this time to say fuck fox and fuck the nfl as well. Why show a Carolina game here in North Carolina? I mean it would be terrible to take viewers from the CBS game, ah which local team do they have on? Oh yeah, Denver and San Diego. Or was this just that fox had some shit show to air? Don’t know and I don’t care.
    In closing I would just like to say, fuck fox. Now back to the feed that is probably loading a bunch of crap on my pc but at least shows me the fucking game.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 10, 2013 at 2:06 pm

      vipboxonline.eu if you fail on your feed clown.

      • Bozo said, on November 10, 2013 at 2:20 pm

        Thanks blade, I’m on one of the vip streams, but I’m still pissed that I’m not able to watch a “local” game on the tube. Hey, I can see your “local” game though.

  14. twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Gee, this is quite the thriller so far. Fact I didn’t know- 49er win streak has been against teams with a composite 13-28 record.
    Newton has been just awful today,though.

  15. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    That was a fumble by VD. CAR ball. Or at least it should be…

    • Bozo said, on November 10, 2013 at 2:20 pm


  16. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    I despise Jim Harbaugh. I’d replace him with the ’78 duo of Pete McCulley and Fred O’Connor.
    But my worst nightmare is that the Niners fire Harbaugh and replace him with David Shaw. I’d quit.

  17. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    Practice tackling much 49er D.? Jesus H. Christ.

  18. twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Well, I thought Carolina would shut down the running game and CK would have a big game…

  19. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Niners 1/9 on 3rd dn conversion. I thought we got rid of the QB who only converted 11%.
    There’s that #11 again. He just won’t leave me be…

    • twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 3:08 pm

      Deleted by me.

      • Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 3:17 pm

        Feel free to send that comment to me via e-mail. I could use another eleven laughs.

      • twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 3:26 pm

        Don’t push it, Dennis. You and I know what the comment was and I find it incredibly insulting that you are laughing at my generosity.

      • Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 3:34 pm

        Seriously. I never saw the comment. As far as I’m concerned the subject is over and done with. Let’s concentrate on the game at hand. OK?

      • twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 3:43 pm

        It’s not done until you respond to my Email in a manner I consider acceptable. That includes telling me what the desktop background is on the PC.

    • twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 3:15 pm

      Alex is just devastated by the trade.

  20. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    That’s Eric Reid’s second concussion (I’m speculating, but it’s pretty clear) already this year.
    Kid came out of LSU playing at a very high level from the git-go. Now? I have some serious doubts about his longevity. Especially with the way the NFL has gone way overboard on this concussion bullshit. It’s football. Players get hit. Hit hard. And sometimes in the head. It comes with the territory. But Goodell is doing his damnedest to turn this league into one giant vagina. Good chance I won’t be watching in the near future if this continues.

    • twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 3:21 pm

      The NFL’s denials of the inarguable evidence of the long term damage concussions can cause was a disgrace and constituted nearly criminal *inaction*. Goodell *fought* action to institute the concussion protocols.

      • Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 3:31 pm

        And Goodell instituted these bullshit protocols for one simple reason — to stave off any and all future litigation by the NFLPA. There’s no denying that these concussions can and do cause long-term brain damage. Again. Tough shit. They chose that profession.

      • twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 3:34 pm

        The protocols and the rules against helmet to helmet hits do nothing to detract from the game- they do help save lives and minds.

      • Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 3:38 pm

        We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one, TF. I think way too may *hard* clean hits that are near, but don’t involve the helmet get called for a PF 15 yds.

      • twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 3:48 pm

        Whether all the penalties are justified is a different issue. The protocols and rules against head to head hits are neccessary in today’s NFL.

  21. Bozo said, on November 10, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    I’m going to need a helmet soon. Damn, come on 9ers.

  22. twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    CK was flat awful today. There was a lot of pressure but he showed zero pocket presence and looked totally befuddled. Has he played well against a good defense all year? Maybe he needs to spend less time building his brand for commercial use and put his nose back to the grindstone.

    • Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 4:37 pm

      Couldn’t agree more. Any player, coach, owner, locker room attendant, bus driver, traveling secretary (think George Costanza) that LOST the Super Bowl should STFU and doing nothing other then concentrate on their performance that would allow them to jump that final hurdle and reach the Promised Land.

      Sadly, I don’t see that emanating from any facet of the Forty Niner organization.

  23. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Did we fire Jim Harbaugh and ship Greg Roman off to Siberia yet?

  24. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    And not that it means all that much in the whole scheme of things concerning wins or losses, but Jimbo has turned CK into another lifeless, robotic, say nothing boring ass interview just like himself.

    Sorry. But I expect, no, I demand more from my QB and supposed leader of the team.
    Did we fire Jim Harbaugh yet? And just for good measure, did we sign Peyton Manning yet?

  25. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    And the next Flapper who replies he thinks the 49ers still have a shot at winning the division gets to be on the hook for Timmy’s salary for the next two years? $35M for that little POS? Well, at least he got a fucking haircut.

  26. Flavor said, on November 10, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    tough Niner game. Losing VD was big. Carolina played well on defense. Ted Ginn and his lame 19 yards woulda fit right into our receiving core today. In fact, his big 3rd down catch in the 4th quarter might have SEPARATED himself from our lame receiving core today……

  27. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Query: who would you rather have as a Niner right now: Harbaugh or Manning?
    I can’t even finish my post because I’m laughing too much…

    • Flavor said, on November 10, 2013 at 5:22 pm

      It’s too idiotic of a choice to consider. I’d rather have Joe Montana. How about that? Manning never seriously considered the Niners and you can’t force someone to come play for your team. I was fine with us not getting him at the time because I thought he was broken and going to get finished by an NFL defense last year. Uninterested in committing 90 mil (or whatever it was) to a guy I thought would get killed in his first season.
      But whatever, I was wrong, he came back healed and has dominated. Good for him. But we were never in the hunt to get him anyway. But to answer your question (however idiotic that it is) I will say that without question I would rather have Harbs over Manning. Anyone with a brain would understand the reasoning for that.
      Now Denny, you answer a question: If Manning was QBing the NIners today with no-VD and a highly suspect receiving core against a dominant defense, how do you think he would have done today? Win or lose?
      Wake me up when Manning wins as many Super Bowls as his brother (who is barely even an NFL quarterback anymore).

      • Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 7:33 pm

        Of course Peyton Manning would have won today should he have worn a 49er uniform. For one simple reason — Peyton would neither listen to nor execute the archaic offensive game plan set forth by Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman. He would have done things, “The Peyton Way.” As well he should have. Harbaugh and Roman couldn’t offensively coach themselves out of a phone booth. Although they and David Shaw, not only prefer it, but they also are not afraid to telling their opponent and the entire world beforehand about their “secret” game plan.

        And concerning Manning in particular…yes he did consider the Niners. It was Jimbo who shunned and gave Peyton the cold shoulder. Harbaugh wasn’t about to turn over the new reigns he was just given by 49er mgmt. to a QB who then would have become the “Face of the Franchise.” Jimbo’s ego wouldn’t for allow it. Yet Harbaugh prides himself on “The Team. The Team. The Team.” Is that truly from the heart or does it just sound better when Jimbo practices in front of his mirror?

        “One sticks to an opinion because he prides himself on having come to it on his own, and another because he has taken great pains to learn it and is proud to have grasped it: and so both do so out of vanity.”

        ― Friedrich Nietzsche

      • Flavor said, on November 10, 2013 at 8:23 pm

        you are just not aware of the facts. Harbs went to HIM to see him workout, he wouldn’t come out here.

  28. foothillsryan said, on November 10, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    I see you have Ubaldo Jimenez going to the Giants. I like that. I think I like that very much. I think the upside is there given what he did from May on last year. A coffin corner punt of the draft pick may be justified. Maybe.

    Say, this hypothetical trade goes out to everybody at OneFlapDown:

    Brandon Belt for Starling Marte

    Just want to find out where you fans really stand.

    • Flavor said, on November 10, 2013 at 7:02 pm

      well the Pitt Gm would get destroyed if he participated in that trade, but yeah, I’d do that. And nice to see you notice the dominance of Ubaldo “from May on”. Not everyone is in on that….

      • twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 7:08 pm

        Craig, you really think that’s a trade that favors SF?

    • twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 7:03 pm

      “Brandon Belt for Starling Marte”
      You first.

      • Flavor said, on November 10, 2013 at 7:20 pm

        without question. Marte is an MVP waiting to happen…..
        By the way Denny, how about those Cowboys! Did I say it right?

      • foothillsryan said, on November 10, 2013 at 7:44 pm

        Brandon Belt and Gregor Blanco for Marte..

        Problem is if you come knocking for Marte, they’ll know you’re begging. Would never happen. Not with Sabes at the helm. Just a fun hypothetical.

      • Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 10, 2013 at 8:02 pm

        almost, it’s “How bout *dem* Cowboys!” But that matters not tonight, tomorrow, next week nor the rest of the season. It will, however, come into play big time when we face Romo in “Big D” come the weekend of Jan. 4 or 5.

        You guys can already put me down for my WC playoff prediction…
        Cowboys 36
        49ers 30

        How bout dem …? how bout I have another drink before I (Christian) Ponder anything further.

  29. blade3colorado said, on November 10, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Just my opinion, but that would be an easy trade to make. Belt will improve, but not like Marte. Just the physical and athletic skills blow Belt away. Much easier to replace ANY first baseman versus a good outfielder like Marte, especially playing outfield in the Phone Park. Larry Broadway, the Pirates’ director of Minor League operations, said of Marte, “An exciting player to watch, Starling has very good athleticism and speed to go along with the ability to hit. The scary thing is that he is starting to mature physically and is starting to develop power as well. His speed-power-hit combo is going to make him a very fun player to see mature.”

    I would do that deal all week and twice on Sunday.

    • foothillsryan said, on November 10, 2013 at 7:42 pm

      This is my impression too, but I’ve never scouted Marte. He does K quite a bit and not walk much.

      I figure there would be a lot of hometown bias on this one – “our guy Belt is great, he’s a star in the making…”

      Just thinking of some ways to fill left field with a difference making player. If Pittsburgs resigns Byrd for RF, they’ve got the MVP in center, with the possibility of Tabata holding down left until blue chipper Polanco is ready.

      • twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 8:04 pm

        Sabean isn’t looking for a ” difference making player” in left field- I’ve explained why before. I can’t see him locking up all 3 OF positions for 3 years (the time left on Pagan’s deal. And it doesn’t matter what one thinks of our young outfielders. It’s simply bad policy with the message it sends to every player in the system. There *are* people who think Belt is star in the making- and not just homies. BTW, Marte has 5+ years in the minors plus his year and a half up here. Belt has one year in the minors and 2 1/2 up here.

  30. twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    Whatever, it’s not a trade either GM would make. Marte is an exciting young player- but so is Belt. And Brandon’s upside is better anywhere but SF- he’s our centerpiece if we need to trade for pitcher- who we need much more than a leftfielder, even a young possible star in the making. But again, it’s like most of these air trades- ain’t happening- ever.

  31. twinfan1 said, on November 10, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    A trade that would work and that I think both GMs would make. – Belt/Romo/Escobar for David Price. I’d throw in Blach or Blackburn if need be. And Price would just cost about 7 million net for 2014, allowing them to pay for a first baseman like Morales..
    Night all- hi Foots.

    • Flavor said, on November 10, 2013 at 8:25 pm

      that doesn’t happen without Crick.

    • foothillsryan said, on November 10, 2013 at 8:38 pm

      no need for Romo. Belt, Escobar, & Sanchez or Susac maybe.

  32. blade3colorado said, on November 10, 2013 at 8:49 pm


    I was going to send this earlier, but I like a good “Denny” story and didn’t want to ruin the fairy tale.

  33. unca_chuck said, on November 10, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    Where did the 49ers do the physical on manning? The parking lot? Grant Cohn is full of shit.

  34. Nipper said, on November 11, 2013 at 7:51 am

    When do Pitchers and Catchers report? Niners and Raiders SUCK!

  35. willedav said, on November 11, 2013 at 7:54 am

    MLBTR site blew up (300+ comments) over cards dealing for a SS, such as Andrus or Tulo. If the rox can suck with tulo (or without his oft injured self) and his monster contract, then I guess they have something to think about at the GM meetings.
    If you’re the Giants are you interested in Andrus?

    • twinfan1 said, on November 11, 2013 at 10:16 am

      Well, I’ve been musing about Crawford because of his hitting against LHers. .214 career in 290 AB. With that sample size, it’s not likely he’ll improve. I suppose Arias could platoon but he’s not an acceptable defender at SS and not *that* good a hitter to compensate. They either need a platoon partner or a, don’t shoot me- a new SS. Adrianza showed some surprising pop in very limited action but it’s hard to see him hitting enough. Another year in Fresno should make or break him as an option. I like Bloomquist even though he has no pop at all, same with Punto. A poor FA class. So- short answer, I’d consider Andrus for sure. They’d have to take Crawford and a couple prospects. But I can’t see it happening. I think they’ll just soldier on with Crawdad and that’s OK.

  36. twinfan1 said, on November 11, 2013 at 8:33 am

    “that doesn’t happen without Crick.” I know that’s your opnion, I don’t agree. But I could be talke into it, maybe.
    ” No need for Romo” Rodney’s *gone*- they’re definitely need Romo- I research these things. Romo is a huge part of why this works.

    More Hot Stove observations-
    Kuroda- probably it’s the Yanks or retire, but he’d work here on a one or two year deal as a 2/3. Sort of back up plan if they can’t get a 1/2. The draft pick is a stumbling block. This one is very unlikely.
    Burnett- similar to Kuroda- it’s probably Bucs or retire. No draft pick to lose with him. Biggest problem- “A.J.”
    Feldman-another of the many back-end starters available. He’s strictly a 5 in my estimation, an improvement over our erstwhile 5’s, but after paying 120+ mill for a 5, I want a guy who will pay us.
    Phil Hughes- just can’t get interested in this guy. His predilection for giving up the homer would be mitigated here and he might be had on a 1 year deal but a little bird tells me 6-14 5.75.
    Mujica- I like him as a guy who could help make the game over with a lead after 6. The question is bucks. 3 years, 5 per works.
    Uribe- I think we should always have a Uribe. But he seems a lock to stay down south. He’d be incredibly valuable here. I want him so bad I can taste it. Wait… that’s my burrito breakfast…
    Joe Smith- there’s talk that he’s really Pat Neshek. Have they ever pitched on the same day? I like him, see Mujica.
    Brian Wilson- I know he’s not returning. But I just wanted to say something about the beard. Remember Amy O’Neill? Of course you don’t. She was in “Honey, I Shrunk the Kids”. Well, she’s in Brian’s beard.

    • twinfan1 said, on November 11, 2013 at 8:45 am

      Note: in a classic case of over compensation, Amy joined a circus act after her career stalled- “Girls on Stilts”.

    • willedav said, on November 11, 2013 at 8:50 am

      I like Kuroda a lot–I just think he’s one of those guys who knows what he is doing and has figured out how to be effective without dominating heat. Yankee stadium and most others in that division are far tougher places to pitch than ATT. I think he has a good season or two left in him. And anyway, SF is half way to the Japan from NYC.

  37. salty said, on November 11, 2013 at 10:44 am

    More I think about it (always a dangerous proposition) I’m betting the Giants are looking to limit the number of years on a FA starter to 2. Then hoping couple of the kids are ready. So a Kuroda would be a good fit. Would he want to come out west? Does money talk? A fat 1 yr deal.
    With all the dough committed to Cain, I gotta think they are counting on him as a 2, at least for 2014.

    • salty said, on November 11, 2013 at 10:52 am

      I’d also wager they will not give up their 14th pick.

    • twinfan1 said, on November 11, 2013 at 12:32 pm

      I’m sure that they are counting Matt as a 2 and Timmy as a 3. But I’d hope they don’t count on it so much that they’d just look for a 4 and count on Petit/Sukamp et al for the 5. I’d kick Matt and Tim down a peg expectation-wise and look for a 2 and a good 4 who would be our 5.
      Example: Madbum, Ubaldo (that’s my present for BF), Cain, Tim, Haren…just one lefty, I know-and don’t care.

  38. blade3colorado said, on November 11, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Shit, we’ve been chatting so much about left field and pitching that I forgot immediately after the season ended, I mentioned a number of times, I wanted Crawford’s head ala the great Peckinpah film, ”Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia.” 😉

    Seriously, Crawford SUCKS and even his fielding took a hit this season – fucking up quite a few routine grounders. Twin, you aren’t hurting my feelings when you say, “get a new shortstop.”

    Regarding Kuroda (and as I mentioned the other day), Kuroda is likely saying sayonara to the U.S. of A, and heading off for one last season in Japan. Only way I see him staying is, if his $15 million plus contract is sweetened, and then only with the Yankees. Fans love him there.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 11, 2013 at 11:05 am

      Unfortunately, with the Giants crying poverty (hilarious), I see a Crawford redux at short next season. Sigh . . .

    • twinfan1 said, on November 11, 2013 at 11:51 am

      I agree that Kuroda is very unlikely but he’d be a good fit- like others here, I like a couple starters who we can get for two years. As one of the sites mentioned, he can afford to be real picky because he seems to have no problem retiring unless he gets the right situation-and bucks.

  39. Bozo said, on November 11, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Since the Dodgers can “afford” anyone on the FA market and since they seem willing to trade Kemp or Ethier and can package a trade with kids or back of the rotation guys, if I’m Sabes, I wouldn’t get to the GM meetings early. I almost feel like he should just wait until the Dogs feeding frenzy is over.

  40. Alleykat said, on November 11, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Well Sabean mentioned the other day in the Chronicle,that some pitchers like Cain and Bum can make the leap to the bigs without AAA seasoning.So if holds to that approach( probably not likely )then Give Escobar a solid look and see what happens.
    Gives the Rotation extra balance starting LH Bum,RH Cain,LH Escobar,RH Timmeh, and fuck it since their to cheap ass to get in the Tanaka talks,Ulbaldo Jimenez 1st choice and he becomes the 2-3 guy dropping Escobar to 5.
    Damm I want Tanaka bad though.

    • twinfan1 said, on November 11, 2013 at 2:45 pm

      I like Escobar. Maybe I’m missing it but I don’t see many young guys broken in as long relievers. I seem to remember the Twins doing that with Santana and Liriano. I can see that with him or Surkamp. I think the team is thinking of Kickham as a possible loogy replacing Mijares.

  41. blade3colorado said, on November 11, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Not certain if it’s just me and Willie, but I have plenty of questions about Ubaldo. As I said yesterday, his psyche is very fragile . . . When things go bad, they go really bad with him. He has a hard time forgetting about his last bad start and it carries over to his next one and next one, almost like a snowball effect. This column illustrates what I am talking about . . .


    • twinfan1 said, on November 11, 2013 at 2:21 pm

      Craig likes him- and as he said (in different words), Ubaldo was hot stuff “since May” last year. I wouldn’t jump off a bridge if they got him…I’ve just seen zero talk about us being in on him, and as I mentioned yesterday, a few hundred of my comments ago, usually there’s some smoke before the fire…
      I see much more about Tanaka, but more and more I’m thinking (not neccessarily recommending) more along the lines of Arroyo and Haren. The deal is- *if* they’re right about about Matt and Tim, that’s a very solid rotation. If they’re not- well, not.
      And I’m out as far as Byrd is concerned when I saw a possible 2 year deal at 8 per year. I was thinking 6 tops, 1 year, club option 2nd year.

  42. twinfan1 said, on November 11, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Oh, I almost forgot. Happy Veterinarians Day ! I’ve never figured out why those people rate a holiday. I mean, like really, we’re supposed to be grateful for 50 buck booster shots? But look, if any of you guys are veterinarians, I don’t mean to be unappreciative. Thanks for your service.

  43. blade3colorado said, on November 11, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Happy for Wil Myers winning the AL ROY . . . I had him on a couple of my FL teams last season. Even drafted him before he was even called up to the Rays. Knew he would be a star. Also glad about Jose Fernandez winning the ROY over the Bum’s Puig. HAHAHAHA! Actually, it was a no brainer, as Fernandez was a rare bright spot in Miami’s 62-100 season. He made the All-Star team at age 20, and went 12-6 with a 2.19 ERA and 187 strikeouts in 172 2/3 innings. Excellent credentials for winning the ROY.

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