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Hot Stove Voting Time

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 15, 2013

I’m beyond tired on reading mlbtraderumors.com. It started out as an innovative site before twitter and everything else *caught up*, now it’s just a hodge-podge of tweets that are 90% fabrications and hopeful stabs that the first tweeter hopes he hits before anyone else. Anyone can make something up hoping it comes true one day. Anyway, not interested in the slightest in checking that site more than once a day, at most.

But I do enjoy their free agent prediction contest…..

I couldn’t figure out a way to do a poll that was easy to work with, at least as it related to Twin’s now deleted thread of all possible targets this off season. So I’m going to just do this:

and please, take into consideration what all these players will cost when you vote. Consider value. I’m not going to post what they all should/might get in free agency, it should be a ballpark this crew already knows…..

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  1. twinfan1 said, on November 15, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Well, I want them to sign Tanaka, Cano, Uribe, and Babe Ruth but who I think they’ll sign is more relevant.
    Infielder- none of the above
    Outfielder- Chris Young +
    McCann- won’t sign
    Pitchers- I’ve gone around on this one-as I said yesterday, I can see them in on Nolasco if they really think he’s a three. But I think Arroyo has had the most smoke with Hudson closing fast. Those are the two I think they’ll sign. Schumaker utility. Bay and Chris Young outfield, Bay minor league deal.

    • Flavor said, on November 15, 2013 at 9:28 pm

      i was down with Nolasco on a 2 year deal, but if they give that fuck 4 years north of 50, and I can’t believe that will happen, then I turn in my mlbtraderumors.com prediction contest card and I don’t know what that’s worth but I’m ready to find out…..

  2. twinfan1 said, on November 15, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Good night.

  3. salty said, on November 15, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    Less has been said about Haren, so he’s my pick. Then they find some bargain to compete for the 5.

  4. Bozo said, on November 16, 2013 at 5:43 am

    I didn’t pick one of the Infielders. Even though he hasn’t played SS in a few years I like Omar Infante on the bench. OF, I went with Hart probably the best fit (contract etc..) I said no to McCann but that’s only if they don’t trade Posey (I still think that would be the best move for the team). On the Pitching I went with Arroyo although it will probably be Hudson with a one year and second year option.

    • Flavor said, on November 16, 2013 at 5:54 am

      Clown– I’m not against the idea of trading Posey but he’s getting paid 150 mil (approximately) through 2021 so it’s not like there are too many teams out there who would want to take on that cheese (or even who COULD take on that cheese).

      • Bozo said, on November 16, 2013 at 6:47 am

        I keep thinking the Braves would do it but your probably right. I just think his stock is not going to stay as high after he switches positions.

      • wswins said, on November 16, 2013 at 8:43 am

        Bozo…would you feel better and not think about trading Posey if you knew he was gonna catch for the duration of the contract? Because that’s what he’s gonna do. As you guys like to say…Book it.

      • Bozo said, on November 16, 2013 at 9:51 am

        wswin, if we don’t trade him this year, then yeah, I would prefer that, but I think SF management is afraid of keeping him as a catcher. I think as a catcher, he’s an AS, at third or first, maybe. If we were able to trade him, I’d expect enough back that we wouldn’t be talking about the dregs of this FA class to fill multiple positions. By the way, it’s not a personal thing for me, I do like Buster.

  5. blade3colorado said, on November 16, 2013 at 6:16 am

    Just woke up and saw the “elections,” then realized it wasn’t Christmas . . . soooooo, I guess it was all a dream about getting Ervin Santana, McCann, Garza, et. al. Ha. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Seriously, if it was my money – I would get Kelly Johnson, who could minimally fill multiple infield and outfield utility roles and compete with Crawdad, player “X” in left field, and our “rocking chair” 2nd baseman for first string. Anywho, he provides excellent value when compared to these other fucks (See Nolasco) that are trying to make their final score.

    I am especially peeved about Nolasco, who was absolutely useless for much of the 2nd half last season. I’m flabbergasted to read he has 4 teams wanting him to sign a 4 year $80 million dollar contract. What the fuck? Glad the Giants are only offering 3 years (which I think is too much, but at least will take them out of this looney toon sweepstakes). Next . . .

    Besides Johnson, I only see Hudson as providing potential value; and, maybe Loney – who could theoretically solve our left field problem, by moving Belt there.

  6. blade3colorado said, on November 16, 2013 at 6:23 am

    This is the latest I’ve read on Nolaso from RotoWorld . . .

    “Chris Cotillo of MLB Daily Dish reports that the Giants have offered Ricky Nolasco a three-year contract.
    Nolasco’s agent has already stated publicly that he has multiple four-year offers on the table. Nolasco himself is believed to be seeking a five-year, $80 million pact. The Twins, Phillies, Padres and Dodgers are among the other teams known to have interest thus far. Nov 15 – 10:34 PM”


    • willedav said, on November 16, 2013 at 7:11 am

      Twins Phillies Padres…good luck getting back to playoffs with any of those teams. And after LA snubbed his post season start, surprised they are still interested. But seriously, I really think after 3 yrs in SF I’d hate the guy more than I do now.
      I took bloomquist (RH bat and versatile), no to Mac and any of OF listed (Hart next glass sanchez/ Young was dismal) and Garza, best on that list and hopefully glad to be back in NL in pitcher’s park.

  7. blade3colorado said, on November 16, 2013 at 7:30 am

    Albert Pujols contract always puts a smile on my face when I think of Barry Zito and Armando Benitez. Apparently, Albert is now “99.99% healthy” as he heads into the third season of a 10-year, $240 million deal.

    • Flavor said, on November 16, 2013 at 8:33 am

      Yeah. And the back end of that Hamilton contract is no picnic. Don’t have it in front if me but I think the final 2 years are 3o mil a year. Lqtm

  8. Alleykat said, on November 16, 2013 at 8:39 am

    I took Stanton even though he is not on the list.
    And Sabean doesn’t have the” conjones ” to pull off a big trade anymore.
    He could atleast show some interest in Ellsbury and shift Pagan to LF.
    A true lead- off hitter with wheels,wow what a concept the Giants know nothing about.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 16, 2013 at 8:53 am

      AK, no idea if Sabes even has the authority to make a big trade prior to this season. The “suits” probably will influence that in a major way.

      Regarding Ellsbury – we’ll have to agree to disagree – I like Pagan and question why we need to address our lead off hitter situation (albeit, I see where it does address left field). Nevertheless, Ellsbury is injury prone, a “banjo” singles hitter, and his stats look good in a band box like the Bosox have, but wouldn’t translate well here. Again, just my take on him.

    • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 9:59 am

      It sure didn’t take much for the wheels to come off the Sabean bandwagon- one down year and he either lacks the balls to make a big trade or he isn’t allowed to. Of course he can make trades- but you make a trade if there are no viable free agents at that position or they’re snatched up by other teams. Stanton fits the bill in that regard but he doesn’t in another consideration- the Marlins are very unlikely to trade him. I’ve gone into the reasons with several similar situations before. Youth, good, controllable, still relatively cheap, etc. A consideration on our end if he were available would be his pretty hefty injury history for a 23 YO.
      Pagan- his OBP has never been ideal for a true leadoff hitter, even Blanco’s has been better. But they’re not moving him from there because it’s still the best spot for him. If he returns to 2012 performance, his double and triple production make up for a relatively low OBP.I agree about Ellsbury- his movie screams “Howard the Duck”.
      Our new CFer?

      • blade3colorado said, on November 16, 2013 at 10:13 am

        Are you saying that I am inconsistent with regard to saying “The โ€œsuitsโ€ probably will influence that (sic trade) in a major way?” I have ALWAYS maintained/said this is the case for Sabean, along with every GM in MLB. Not even Cashman shits without saying, “Mother may I?”

      • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 10:30 am

        I’m not trashing your opinion but I’ve never seen any indication that the shareholders influence trades. What seems to be the case every year is that the team sets a budget but Sabean has the authority to go past that for a special player(s). If that’s what you mean by “Mother may I?โ€ you’re right, I just don’t think that having a budget that’s fluid depending on the players to be had qualifies as Sabean having to get authorization for trades. As to Kat’s assertion that he lacks the balls- that’s just silly. Sabean has been vilified as much as any GM that I can recall, yet he still makes the deals he thinks-rightly or wrongly- will help the team. Very few *big* trades come off, for anybody- because there are simply too many factors that go into making them. That huge Bum/Bosox deal came off only because LA was willing to take on all the contracts.

      • blade3colorado said, on November 16, 2013 at 10:41 am

        That’s exactly what I mean. I have always been consistent in saying that Sabean is the BEST GM in baseball, even in the lean years. All GMs make mistakes . . . Nature of the beast. Sabes has been wrong numerous times, but I would imagine that this is how he thinks – If you couldn’t be wrong, if you already had it all figured out, why would you even bother going to work tomorrow? If you have any intellectual curiosity, the mistakes are what keep driving you to be better. For this and other reasons, I love the guy.

      • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 11:03 am

        Fine, I just disagree that his situation is “Mother, may I”. But it’s hardly worth arguing about. A discussion about who we may get doesn’t need that distinction in order to proceed.

  9. twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Kind of intersting seeing the poll results so far- seems like many people are doing it the way I thought- choosing who they thhink we’ll sign, not who they want signed. No other way to intrepet the OF voting- with Chris Young leading Ellsury 8 to 3.
    My thoughts on the results so far: It would have better to single out the first basemen, IMO. My reason is that if they’re going to upgrade the oiffense significantly without giving up players in trade, signing a first baseman is the far better route than signing an outfielder. I’m not particularly fond of this option, but for offense it’s the best way. So that adds Morales, Napoli, and Mike Morse to the list- there are more but none that I think are prospective targets. I like Morales the most but Morse would be a better fit for the Sabean way. “The Beast” could probably be had for a 1 year or 2 at most and he’s just one year removed from 2 pretty good seasons in D.C. Another positive- he can play 1st and/or LF- although not terribly well. I think he’s a sleeper.
    Chris Young- I’ve listed him as a possiblity, but really he’d be unlikely to be an upgrade on an internal solution- another platoon with Blanco and one of the RHed hitting youngsters.
    Utilty infielder- tough category. They need a two-fer- a guy who can take over second when Scooter is either injured or busted, and a guy who can spell Crawford against southpaws. Both Arias and Abreu are “sorta” guys and Noonan actually swings the bat better than those two, but he swings better than he hits, if you follow. One of those three will probably stay, I’m thinking Arias now that I’ve seen the talk of non-tendering Abreu. Uribe would be perfect but it’s hard to imagine prying him from Ned’s greasy grip. After that, it’s pretty grim, pop-wise. So- Schumaker or Bloomquist. Kelly Johnson has that pop but what in the world happens to his “hitting tool” year to year?He could be .220 or .270 and I don’t see a reason. Maybe he’s on some weird Toltec calendar which forbids offense in years selected randomly by the head Toltec…
    Pitchers later…
    Good morning.

  10. blade3colorado said, on November 16, 2013 at 9:04 am

    According to the New jersey Star Ledger, “The Yankees and veteran left-hander reliever Javier Lopez have โ€œexpressed mutual interestโ€ in preliminary talks, Lopezโ€™s agent Barry Meister said on Friday morning. Meister expects to conduct more substantive discussions later in the winter, after the Yankees have handled their more expensive matters, like their pursuit of second baseman Robinson Cano, catcher Brian McCann and outfielder Shin-Soo Choo.”

    • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 10:14 am

      With Affeldt’s injuries coming fast and furious and Mijare’s poor year, Lopez would be a major loss. It might keep Mijares and his baboobski in town for another year. There is that.

      • foothillsryan said, on November 16, 2013 at 10:38 am

        I think they until early Dec. to tender contracts to guys like Mijares and Blanco. So hopefully Lopez status is determined by then.

        Now that we’ve moved on from Beckham, what do you think about Middlebrooks and Tito’s old chaw?

      • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 10:54 am

        I never said that they don’t time to decide. But why would anybody think they wouldn’t tender Blanco? Even if he’s not in a platoon again, he’d be a nearly indispensible 4th OFer.
        Middlebrooks? An upgrade from Beckham but Boston would have to pony up more. 2013 hurt Will’s trade value more than it did Pablo’s.

    • snarkk said, on November 16, 2013 at 11:04 am

      I thought I couldn’t trade Lopez at the deadline because if we didn’t, that would really help keep him around. Where’s that at right now?…

      • blade3colorado said, on November 16, 2013 at 11:11 am

        No idea, but it sounds like it would be more lucrative for Lopez and his agent to wait until the Yankees enter the bidding wars.

      • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 11:20 am

        Well, “we” said *they* wouldn’t trade Lopez because they wanted to keep him. That’s still the case. Now if you want to trade him, you know the drill- you’ll have to get authorization from CJ…(smiley face)

  11. blade3colorado said, on November 16, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Ironically wswins, I just read Keith Law’s chat session from yesterday and he said this regarding Posey . . .

    “Klaw (1:34 PM)

    That too. And he’s not even an elite defender (although I think he gets dinged unfairly for that).
    Klaw (1:34 PM)

    Posey doesn’t catch full-time any more, though, and it sounds like he won’t in the future.
    Klaw (1:35 PM)

    The issue catchers will face no matter what stats you use is that they tend to play 20-25 fewer games than players at every other position. If Posey is a 100 G catcher/50 G 1b guy, he can get around that.”

    Not saying Law is right on this, but his background, e.g., senior baseball writer for ESPN.com and ESPN Scouts, Inc., formerly a writer for Baseball Prospectus, and worked in the front office for the Toronto Blue Jays, carries a lot of weight with me.

  12. stixwiz said, on November 16, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Jason Berken is Fresno bound. Copping an ERA in the 3.80’s last season for the White Sox AAA entity and having pitched in 110 ML games where he amassed a Zitoesque ERA in the 5.30 range as both a starter and a reliever; Berken appears to add a low-risk, low-upside depth-charge to the PCL rotation as SF just signed the MiLB Free Agent according to MLBTR.

    Fresno gets the bits and pieces. Richmond will represent the Giants pipeline treasure-trove of both starters and relievers as they will feature both the San Jose Five rotation and the Cal League entry’s Dawg House for their pen.

    • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 11:08 am

      Yep, they have to fill out the Fresno roster.

  13. PawlieKokonuts said, on November 16, 2013 at 11:28 am

    Yeah, I voted, but I’d make a lousy GM. I am too easily tugged by emotion or sentiment or risky hunches or the appeal of babalicious player spouses. I have appreciation and respect for Sabean’s dispassionate public comments, maybe even to the point of coded references that seem geared to piss off certain players and agents (cf. Brian Wilson). Sabean seems to excel in a certain brand of stoic posturing aimed at testing the waters and gauging the market. Maybe that’s a silly comment. Maybe that’s what all businessmen do, and what is so admirable about that? I never much liked those kinds of guys, or gals, when I worked for them. So, all told, I’m full of shit once again and do not quite know how to navigate the long offseason, an arid time, a time of hope mixed with anxiety and uncertainty. Help me.

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on November 16, 2013 at 11:38 am

      Lest my mood be mistaken from the above post, it is mock-serious, self-deprecating. I am doing well, enjoying a springlike Saturday, sunny, in Syracuse.

      • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 12:42 pm

        “springlike Saturday, sunny, in Syracuse.” Funny, that reminds me of the warnings that I received when we were about to move to Minnesota in 1961. Eskimos, polar bears, avalanches were said to await me. Springlike sunny days were not to be encountered there.. and the girls! Chubby red faced virgins all… since we moved there in January, the descriptions didn’t seem too far off. I seem to recall peeling my tongue off of an iron gate. Heaven knows how my tongue got there in the first place. Anyway, a springlike sunny day did arrive-in June… it was delightful..

  14. Flavor said, on November 16, 2013 at 11:43 am

    KLAW knows his shit but he hates the Giants and his bias against them will always lessen (for me) anything he has to say about them. KLAW openly mocked them as the 2010 season wound down and when we finally made the playoffs he laughed at our chances. Well who was laughing at who at the end of that World Series, eh Keith?

  15. twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 11:45 am

    I don’t get why a lurker would want to vote but not comment. I’m *not* suggesting “foul play”, so no one need go there. I truly don’t understand it. It’s not like the vote is a yes or no on whether one thinks Hitler was simply a merry prankster…

  16. stixwiz said, on November 16, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Early April of ’61 was anything but classical baseball weather when Dad took my younger brother and me to the very first Twins game at Metropolitan Stadium. Temp was in the upper 30’s or so, skies were overcast and there was a brisk wind amidst all the grey. But the toughest part was standing in the ticket line. When Pedro Ramos took the mound the mood was “take me out to the ballgame” and all else was forgotten ~ particularly when the Twins walked off the field with a “W”.

    Times change and so has Minnesota weather. Sour days in early April are rarities nowadays, though hardly unknown. Up here in the great Northwoods, beyond even, the source of the Mississippi, we had a balmy, sunny 48 degrees yesterday and we lost all our inch or so of snow which had arrived over the previous weekend. Today, it was just a few degrees cooler, winds light and variable, sunny off and on and quite adequate for baseball and paradisical for football.

    California, like the rest of the Coast, will soon be “blessed” by the plume of radioactivated water from Fuck You Shima. I wouldn’t touch Alaskan salmon any more with a ten foot dildo. All that fun stuff is seeping broadly into the pacific and unseen particles are wafting beyond the Sierras and the Rockies to join up with chemtrail central spreading all across the fruited plain. I would not care to be five years old right about now but do find it comforting to bee ess about baseball and the other finer things of life.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 16, 2013 at 3:38 pm

      Stix, glad to see you posting more bro . . . How is the weather? Have you put up the “Closed For Winter” sign yet? ๐Ÿ˜‰

      Seriously, I hope you are well and have completed all your winterizing chores, e.g., acquiring multiple cords of wood, roof/gutter repairs/cleaning, driveway potholes, draft stoppers, weather stripping, etc.

    • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 4:48 pm

      Sweet post, Stix.
      Pedro “Pete” Ramos- the Latinos still got American nicknames back then. A guy had to have a “non-nicknamable” first name to escape it. Camilo Pasqual didn’t get stuck with “Cammie”, thank God..Camilo might have had as good a curve as anybody..Camilo, “Pete”, Kitty Kaat, Mudcat Grant, Jim Perry, Jack Kralick.. the Twins had some pretty fair pitchers in the early to mid-sixties when I was there. And of course Harmon, Oliva, Bob Allison, Zoilo, et al- good memories. And sad ones- Zoilo and Bob Allison passed away far too young, Oliva sufered the debilitating knee injuries that cost him the HOF, the “Killer”, such an innappropiate nickname for such a gentle man, died recently, of course. Man, the passing of so many of our early baseball heroes really drives home one’s mortality. Here’s Harmon vs. Mantle…

  17. Flavor said, on November 16, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    The polls are pretty reflective of the guys who post here. 14 or so different posters here today (I scanned it quickly) and a few last night after I put this thread up. 22 votes total (at least on the top poll, didn’t look at the others.
    It’s a commonly know fact that most people who visit blogs don’t comment on them. I’m assuming they don’t have a problem clicking a button for a poll, assuming it interests them. But I actually don’t know one way or the other. I have the poll setting set up to only count a voter’s vote once.
    Not everyone likes to show up at a blog, put their opinions out there and have them either get ignored or *disagreed with.*
    And I respect that perspective……

    • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 5:00 pm

      Just musing about it, no disrespect intended. . Actually this one had far less lurkers voting than many of them, 27 votes on McCann. And the voting seemed to stop early, like the comments did for quite awhile. One can vote more than once, BTW. You just can’t vote twice on the same computer.

      • Flavor said, on November 16, 2013 at 5:05 pm

        maybe some day I’ll come up with a poll so riveting that it will inspire the masses to vote on multiple computers in their household…….

      • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 5:11 pm

        I have several computers now but it’s a pain the ass to run around touting a #5 starter. Hey, how about a new POTD? The one from Stix at 3:29 was one of his best..IMO.

      • Flavor said, on November 16, 2013 at 5:15 pm

        too long. POTD’s have to be short and sweet or they take up too much space. But I agree with you, it was a good one.

      • Flavor said, on November 16, 2013 at 5:19 pm

        I green lighted it into the POTD-best of. Only 44 of those bad boys in recorded history. Stix, you should be proud!

    • snarkk said, on November 16, 2013 at 5:02 pm

      I’m not gonna be ignored, Dan!
      Movie trivia – who said that?…

      • Flavor said, on November 16, 2013 at 5:06 pm

        Come on, Close at her finest there….

      • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 5:28 pm

        There were some beauts in that one-
        “Don’t you ever pity me, you smug bastard. ”
        “I’ll pity you… I’ll pity you. I’ll pity you because you’re sick. ”

        Film Noir dialogue redux..

  18. Flavor said, on November 16, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    I hate USC more than any other team in any sport at any level and there isn’t a close 2nd. Time to destruct and destroy this abomination of a pseudo higher learning institution…….

    • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 6:16 pm

      A quick question for an AD to determine his suitablity for your college program:
      Have you ever hired or considered hiring Lane Kiffen? A “yes” makes for a short interview…

  19. Flavor said, on November 16, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Hey Chuck or San Diggity—-How about an update on your 2 kids and their union. I’ve been crossing my fingers since Sept 7th that they’re still together though I know how those things go. I’m gonna bet they’re still hangin’ out. Dammit, I shoulda had a poll back when it started, fuck me. ๐Ÿ™‚

  20. twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    How about a poll on how to get rid of Brent Mubderger without going to jail?
    Hey, I was about to edit Brent’s last name, but it’s perfect..

    • Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 16, 2013 at 5:45 pm

      C’mon. What other broadcaster would ogle and drool over girls a quarter of his age? Makes for great TV.

      • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 5:48 pm

        If you ever meet Brent, you might be willing to do a few years in the hoosegow..

    • stixwiz said, on November 17, 2013 at 10:02 am

      When one of my numerous pussfolk snags a mouse, i always inquire “how was the brent mouseburger?” After years of close study i’m nowhere near being able to translate their responses into anything vaguely resembling English, but sometimes their looks say far more than words would anyway. Seems they’re quite fond of em.

      From time to time temptation urges me to do something about a catchy book title that nudged its way into my consciousness: “Life in a Cathouse”. Some readers, i fear, would be disappointed with the lack of salacious episodes. Certain cat-fanciers would not approve of my language. Oh well.

      Doggone it! Can’t leave out Macoozhoe. He’s chief enforcement officer around the place. He’s responsible for keeping the bam-bam-Bambis outta the gardens and shrubbery. Tough job, as he lost his running-mate, big black Mac, the half Lab, half Rott about three months back. Minnesota deer-hunting season ended yesterday evening, so no more gut-piles for the sandy-brown Oouff. Back to the grrrumbles outta the sack.

      Gotta stop by the backside of the local custom-butcher this coming week, where there is free access to his barrels of bones, trimmings and cuttings which get picked up weekly by a rendering plant about 130 miles south. No money changes hands either way so the pickings are free and none too slim. With Winter soon about to settle in up here, weather’s cool enough so that a modest accumulation of the stuff in the back of the Blue Whale (’87 GMC 1-ton van rusting away in piebald rusty retirement) won’t stink up the place too bad and it will keep local law enforcement vs the Bambinese in a happy mood. Ditto the outdoor catclan.

  21. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 16, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    How bout a poll on how to get rid of David Shaw? Without going to jail is optional.

  22. twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    I don’t follow college ball too much- why is Shaw disliked?

  23. unca_chuck said, on November 16, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    Flav, yes they are still together. The distance is a bit daunting, but they just went camping down in Big Sur and spent some time together.

    And, Mike, I DLed my first album with the turntable. Sticky Fingers by the Stones . . . Thanks again . . . .

    • unca_chuck said, on November 16, 2013 at 7:35 pm

      Inquiring minds want to know, apparently. They were here for the God-awful Niner game last weekend.

    • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 8:03 pm

      As always, I was worried about shipping. As anybody who ships a lot will tell you, it’s the number one headache. And I’d guess that UPS and Fedex pay maximum 50 percent of the damage claims. It’s really bad with PCs because if the box isn’t damaged, they won’t pay. But they can drop a box 6 feet without damaging the box but wrecking the PC inside…
      Anyway, glad you got the TT up and going. Hope it gives you many years of pleasure. I almost always have my Dad’s jazz music playing. He loved Dixieland and even some good stuff ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • blade3colorado said, on November 16, 2013 at 8:19 pm

        My tuna squeezer arrived without a scratch. Some would attribute it to the ingenious design . . . Others would cite the “build quality,” along with the materials (plastic) used to construct it.

      • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 9:14 pm

        Do your friends compliment you on the texture and firmness of your Tuna Sandwiches? Have you considered a Tuna Stand? Everybody can use some walking around money for the holidays. Hey- a concession at AT&T ! You’ll need more Squeezers of course. I’ll check the attic… I’m sure I have several hundred.. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • unca_chuck said, on November 16, 2013 at 9:14 pm

        I’m with ya on dixieland. I like all kinds of music. Even some country, but dixieland annoys me to no end.

  24. unca_chuck said, on November 16, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Something like Shaw=Harbaugh= Bo Schembechler or something like that.

  25. zumiee said, on November 16, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Well, just one more post before I go for a while, because I knew TF would trash me over the Willie Mays comment, so I want to remind him- we were all making our lists of great Giants outfielders, and ranking them, and TF absolutely did leave Willie Mays off his list, and was a bit embarrassed by it. The point is- it’s no big deal. We all make gaffes on this blog. Most of us are typing these things in the middle of doing other things, or watching sports on TV.
    But TF is the one who claims to remember everything, and he did leave Willie Mays off his list. It happened.
    Yet he continues to hound me, for years now, about a gaffe I made once about Sandoval, and I thought it interesting that his gaffe was an “amusement” or whatever, but mine is a great crime against humanity.
    My gaffe about Sandoval was made, by the way, during my lunchtime at work, when I was in a hurry. And during a time in which I didn’t have “edit” status to make corrections. The “edit” status is an advantage that TF had long before the rest of us did, and he could always correct things if he made a mistake.
    Having the “edit” status has allowed me to correct about a zillion potential gaffes I would have made. It’s very cool. (grin)

    OK….TF trashing me in 4….3…..2….1….

    • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 8:13 pm

      Well, no trashing of you even though you’re wrong about Mays. I do resent your insinuation that I would change a comment to make it appear that I was right when I was wrong. My editor status has been a Godsend, though- I make many mispellings due to my finger problems and “brain troubles”. “Brent Mubderger” was a mistaken spelling. I kept it because it was accidentally perfect.
      Anyway, enjoy whatever gives you pleasure.

      • zumiee said, on November 16, 2013 at 8:19 pm

        There was ZERO insinuation about anything. Everything I wrote was fact. Maybe I’ll take the time to sift through the Flap archive at some point. And maybe also look for your “jests” about how Pablo should eat whatever he wants to because he was World Series MVP. I’m sure the Flappers you were chewing out really felt the “jest”-like quality of it.

  26. twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    OK, I just deleted a very long response to Z. If he wants to drag this on, he’ll have to do it on his own.

  27. blade3colorado said, on November 16, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    Twin, I was attempting (poorly) to pull your heart strings for an exchange of the Tuna Squeezer for a PC . . . Umm, preferably with an Intel Core i7 3rd generation processor. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 9:53 pm

      Would you know how to build a PC with help? I actually have a few components, including a bitchin’ case with top of the line power supply, a 1156 Motherboard that will take an Intel Core i7 860 Processor , not a 3rd gen- the 1156 socket has been discontinued, Send me an Email if you’d like to talk about it, with your phone #.

      • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 9:55 pm


      • blade3colorado said, on November 16, 2013 at 10:00 pm

        Probably not. Shit, I should be honest and say, “Hell no. The last thing I worked on that was mechanical in nature was a VW Bug . . . Prior to that, was putting together Wolfman, Dracula, and Frankenstein plastic models. I usually had parts left over and the paint jobs were horrendous.” ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 10:09 pm

        I’ll think about it. I could probably put together enough that you could finish pretty easily. You’d need to purchase some components yourself but it could be done little by little. Ballpark, you’d have about a 1000 buck PC for about 350-400. Or I could build it little by little as we get the other components. Think about it. You did the touchiest part once- installing the CPU and heatsink.

      • blade3colorado said, on November 16, 2013 at 10:11 pm

        OK . . . Good night Twin.

  28. twinfan1 said, on November 16, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Good night Chuck, Steve, Dennis, Barryforever…
    There *was* an eclair. I guess September was pushing it.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 16, 2013 at 9:51 pm

      ‘Nite Twin . . . Ditto to everyone else!

  29. willedav said, on November 17, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Once again Shaw heimlichs a big game, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Bobby Knight has talked about the last game/next game phenomena and Shaw couldn’t get his team over it. Yes SC is tough but they are not better than Oregon, and Utes aren’t even in top half of league. On a night when Hogan (who is not pac 12 level QB imo) comes back to reality, why are you throwing the ball 25 times? Shades of OK st bowl loss, and no one is going to confuse Hogan with Andrew luck.
    I used to be an assistant for a guy whom my mentor said would always give you a chance to win a game as his opponent by doing some odd shit at some point. Describes Shaw perfectly.

    • twinfan1 said, on November 17, 2013 at 8:31 am

      As a coach, Shaw reminds me of the pitcher who will give the batter one “hit me” pitch in every at bat. I looked in on the game after asking about him..

    • Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 17, 2013 at 11:14 am

      nail, meet head. Right on the mark, Willie.

  30. willedav said, on November 17, 2013 at 8:46 am

    I always tell kids that b-ball, a lot like life, making good decisions is pretty important. You have the ball in your hands, do you shoot pass or dribble?
    I think Alan Crabbe booted one, big time. Played 3 yrs at cal for Monty, last season player of the year in conference. Often focus of other team’s attention he seemed to disappear at times last year and admitted to being frustrated. So he opts for NBA and is drafted first in the second round by Portland…where so far he has played a total of 4 minutes in 9 games (only 3 of which he got into) and has yet to score his first point.
    Had he returned for senior year and another 6 months under Monty, Cal would likely be conference fav with 3 other returning starters and 5 star recruit Jabari Bird, and hopefully Crabbe would have honed his talents with more experience, improved his strenght and conditioning, and taken advantage of his time at one of the best colleges in the world to further his education. And he’d be around his buddies and on a beautiful campus in a wonderful part of the world to live in instead of in and out of hotel rooms and airports across America as a rookie in NBA.
    Hope he takes the opp to finish his education, because his real job at present looks rather precarious.

  31. Bozo said, on November 17, 2013 at 9:19 am

    For you baseball only guys (on football Sunday) and history buffs. Some color footage (innings 8-10) of Cincy’s Jim Maloney’s 10 inning no-no against the Cubs in 65. They say it has never been seen before but I have to assume someone, somewhere was watching WGN channel 9 that day. Whatever, cool stuff, no crowd shots, no walkup songs, no wave, just hitters handing the catchers mask back to the catcher, letter high strikes and1 guy struggling through 10 innings of no-hit ball (he walked 10, I think). Oh and a little bit of Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, Ron Santos, Pete Rose, Vida Pinson, Frank Robinson etc.. I enjoyed it and thought maybe someone else might, it is an hour long. http://deadspin.com/never-before-seen-color-footage-of-1965-baseball-1465241550

    • willedav said, on November 17, 2013 at 12:58 pm

      Wow man, thx, I look forward to checking that out. Lot of cool players you mentioned I really dug, plus the ole Reds unis with the sleeves out like Pirates.
      As long as someone brought up our 3b on previous thread, wouldn’t Kevin Mitchell qualify as a 3b who *outgrew* the position? 7 innings of Pablo in LF = to Pat burrell?

    • blade3colorado said, on November 17, 2013 at 1:41 pm

      THIS WAS EXCELLENT CLOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maloney was unfrickingbelievable throwing 180 plus pitches in that game. Weirdest no hitter I have ever heard of, where the pitcher throws that many pitches and walks 10. Wow! Loved the buzz cuts (see Rose) and the Hamms beer commercials too – land of sky blue water . . . When I was drinking in high school, Coors and Hamms was considered piss beer, but we usually bought it when we were counting nickles and dimes to buy a case. LOL.

      OK, back to your regularly scheduled football game. ๐Ÿ™‚

  32. stixwiz said, on November 17, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Seems like the Cubbies just snagged Eli Whiteside on a Minor League contract. Strikes me as a marriage made in heaven.

  33. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 17, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Mornin’/afternoon, Flappers. Great day of NFL football has already begun, and it’s only going to get better. Niners/Saints upcoming and Chiefs/Broncos for the nightcap. I promise not to mention you-know-whose name once. I curse P***** Fucking R****** name enough as it is. Fall on the ball! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  34. twinfan1 said, on November 17, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Some good football today- Raiders seem ready to blow another, good Steeler/Lion game, 49ers ready to start, KC/Denver this evening- and 2012 WS game 1 on as well. And a nice walk earlier today. Beautiful this morning.

    • twinfan1 said, on November 17, 2013 at 1:31 pm

      Raiders got out dumbed..

    • Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 17, 2013 at 1:40 pm

      Yes, sir. We’re very fortunate to be living in N. California. Especially after watching that weather delay in CHI. Your computer is running like a Swiss watch. Wish I could say the same about the Niners’ O. 3 and out — 3 and out…

      • twinfan1 said, on November 17, 2013 at 1:55 pm

        “Your computer is running like a Swiss watch.”
        So that’s where the Kitchen PC went to. Would you please return it- the mice enjoy late night Cat Snuff Films..

  35. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 17, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    I’ll say this though, very early indications point to a some-what defensive low-scoring affair. That’s in our favor. We’re not going to out-shoot Brees. a.k.a The Rifleman. a.k.a Chuck Connors.

  36. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 17, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    See. That challenge by Harbaugh was inexcusable. The “booth coach” needs to be drawn and quartered for suggesting to Jimbo to challenge. With today’s technology, TV angles, etc., etc., if we boobs at home can see it, there can be NO excuse for the team not to get it right. Frustrating as hell.

  37. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 17, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    I’ll have to plead ignorance: who is the 49er coach in charge of replay challenges?
    I have a laundry list of things he can go do to himself.

  38. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 17, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    And they just wasted their second, and FINAL challenge on that Baldwin pass.
    Seriously. Who the fuck is up in the booth? When there’s a close call in the 4th q and we’re out of challenges, not a peep out of anyone unless it involves our replay coach’s head on a pike.

  39. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 17, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    I want you to get this fuck where he breathes! I want you to find this Nancy-boy (replay booth coach), I want him DEAD! I want his family DEAD! I want his house burned to the GROUND! I wanna go there in the middle of the night and I wanna PISS ON HIS ASHES!

  40. twinfan1 said, on November 17, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    White started jogging into the EZ prematurely- great hustle by CK. Could be a season changing play.

  41. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 17, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    The Saints are trying their damnedest to keep us in this game.
    Shit. We’re on the verge of taking the lead…

  42. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 17, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    And we just did. VD was open and spreading. You weren’t covered either. ๐Ÿ˜›

  43. Flavor said, on November 17, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    some mistakes in the niner game, for sure, but they’re playing hard and making plays that win games. Harbs and the challenges were inexcusable though.

  44. twinfan1 said, on November 17, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    That Baldwin/Jenkins trade has *really* helped both teams-
    Baldwin leads in receptions 3 to 1..

  45. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 17, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    And they call a PF on that horseshit?
    I’m serious. I won’t be watching football any longer.

    • twinfan1 said, on November 17, 2013 at 4:29 pm

      The initial hit seemed OK but I think the flag was because he then grabbed him around the neck. Iffy.

  46. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 17, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    3rd and 21 and Sean Payton calls a draw? That’s Bo Schembecler-esque.

  47. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 17, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    OK. Tie game with 2:00 Let’s see what Jimbo and Kap have in store…

  48. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 17, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Can we just FFW in the NFL to when the Broncos and Seahawks play in the SB?
    Maybe I spoke too soon in the AFC, that’s what we’ll find out tonight.
    But the NFC? SEA will have HF ad.v and, and, …goodnight Irene.Thanks for coming and drive home safely…

  49. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 17, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    …and James Joseph “Jim” Harbaugh, born December 23, 1963 can kiss my fucking ass.

  50. Bozo said, on November 17, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Do you know the shit storm I’m getting from my pals in NOLA.? I’m not holding back the next time we beat those Saints (I didn’t talk any shit last year),

    • Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 17, 2013 at 5:11 pm

      Bozo, could you please re-tell that camel story of yours. I really could use a pick-me-up now. And that story of yours is a doozy. Not just to me, but it’s a crowd pleaser. To football, horse racing, and camel fans alike. :d

  51. Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 17, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    196 total yds. 115 via the air.

    Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, and three (times a lady, Lionel) tells you all you need to know.
    This offense, under the leadership of Harbaugh and Roman, with Kap at QB, is a laughingstock.
    A goddamn laughingstock. A goddamn fucking laughingstock.

    • Flavor said, on November 17, 2013 at 5:16 pm

      what was it under Alex Smith?

      • Del Mar Dennis (@DelMarDennis) said, on November 17, 2013 at 5:31 pm

        Prediction for tonight? I’ll say DEN 34 KC 20
        What say you?

      • Flavor said, on November 17, 2013 at 5:51 pm

        Are you basing that off 1:1 football? Smith vs Manning?
        I think Denver wins tonight, not because of the QB play. I know that’s an impossible concept for you to process.

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