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Finding a Left Fielder

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 20, 2013

Our pitching staff continues to strengthen with the anticipated signing of Javier Lopez. We still have an obvious hole in left field and our bench. We need 4 reliable outfielders who can be seen as legitimate starting outfielders. We have 2. And if Pagan goes down again our offense will be stuck again. Blanco is a decent enough 4th, but I don’t want him in a platoon role……

I’m praying that Sabean pulls off a trade for a starting left fielder (or even starting center fielder who would slide Pagan to LF).

Who would you target in a trade, and what would you give up?

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  1. PawlieKokonuts said, on November 20, 2013 at 7:46 am

    I leave such claw marks from clinging to the past. Can we get Cody Ross back?

  2. willedav said, on November 20, 2013 at 8:22 am

    Good ?, Flav, esp those last 5 words. If you want a legit starting OF, who does SF have to trade?
    I really don’t want to see Belt (or Romo for that matter) leave, so I dunno.

  3. Alleykat said, on November 20, 2013 at 8:29 am

    Open the pocket books and get Choo.
    They can make up sales in Choo Bowls.
    Has an instant attraction from Chinatown.
    Easy call, and a player who produces strong.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 20, 2013 at 8:34 am

      I think he’s Korean.

      Choo-choo bowls? Maybe kimchi over fried rice. Throw some sriracha on it and you’re good to go.

    • Chipower9 said, on November 20, 2013 at 10:15 am

      There was a qualifying offer made for Choo, which means if another team signs him, they surrender their 1st round pick, and Sabean has said no way he will do that. That Choo train has left the station…

  4. dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 20, 2013 at 8:37 am

    I wouldn’t mind seeing Loney with Belt moving to LF but I think the Giants will end up with Bobby Abreu.

    Speaking of Abreu, will they bring Tony Abreu back?

  5. Nipper said, on November 20, 2013 at 8:46 am

    Sabean seems to excel in trades. They bring the best out of him. I hope he gets someone who can field a bit and has some pop……. not a lot that’s asking for too much.

  6. unca_chuck said, on November 20, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Has anyone asked Pagan if he’s willing to go to LF? That was a sticking point getting him here.

  7. Flavor said, on November 20, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Sabean has already said he’s not interested in the free agent position players. So whether we’re talking about Choo or McClouth, he ain’t buying.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 20, 2013 at 10:14 am

      Flav, check your email in regard to FD.

  8. Chipower9 said, on November 20, 2013 at 10:13 am

    He has explicitly said no on FAs where the team made a qualifying offer (will not surrender the Giants 1st round pick slotted at 14).

    The focus for the forseeable future is going to be another starter (Arroyo, Vogey, etc.), and locking-up Lopez. He is not going to go FA for a LFer. If anything happens, I suspect a trade.

    And I don’t see where the Giants have much to offer. So if a trade happens, it will not be for a big named OFer.

    Whatever they do, I suspect someone (probably a RHer) who can platoon with Blanco.

    And I really don’t like the idea of getting a 1st baseman and moving Belt to LF. If the 1B you get is anything less defensively, you weaken two spots in making that move.

    • stixwiz said, on November 20, 2013 at 10:47 am

      Chi: You are so right on not picking up a 1st baseman. Belt is tantalizingly close to being the best in the business.
      In an earlier posting i noted that Hector is a fungible asset when it comes to trades. This would limit the market as the team involved would need to include their so-so catcher whom Hector would replace in a package centering on a LFer, preferably a RH one. Rest of the package would include our third or fourth best starter prospect (who would be #1 or two for many teams) and might toss in Gary Brown as a fading-prospect deal-sweetener.
      Again, i remain quite intrigued by Josh Willingham of the Twins, who had a horrible 2013 season, but who is a constant RH power threat. Minnesota is trying to build up its starter prospect pool as they have been generally unable to grow pitchers during the recent past, but who develop good position players by the bunch. As a certifiable water-buffalo, Willingham would play six innings in many games, to be replaced by Perez or Blanco. Rest of the time he would represent a threat off the bench. As Mauer is being reassigned to first base, Pinto is currently their man behind the plate. Hector would be an upgrade there.
      Should SF not be high on Willingham there’s always the possibility that some team with a slightly better than average LFer and a hot prospect in AAA or AA might consider, say, our #3 starter prospect and a year or so of Blanco for their man in left. This would not hold true for an outfit which feels they are likely to go to the post-season and need that better bat more than the starter prospect.
      Point is, and we agree here, is that SF is not exactly loaded with ML players who could figure in a trade. Flipside is that our pipeline is jammed with pitching prospects, from Short Season to AA. No way they could all ultimately play for the Giants. Identify those most likely to succeed at a high level and be ready to trade from a pool of the surplus arms.

  9. blade3colorado said, on November 20, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Detroit obviously needs a closer and I understand they are open to a trade. I would target Andy Dirks for some sort of package with Romo in it. Dirks plays left field and he regressed this season from the year before. He is young and his salary is under a million a year.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 20, 2013 at 10:31 am

      Addendum – Dirks is also an excellent outfielder, that can play all of the positions. Following the 2013 season, Dirks was named a finalist for the Gold Glove Award for the left field position alongside Alex Gordon and Yoenis Cespedes. (The award went to Gordon.)

  10. twinfan1 said, on November 20, 2013 at 10:45 am

    New post:
    November 22, 1963 “It all started so beautifully”

    http://zekesplace.wordpress.com/2013/11/20/november-22-1963/

  11. salty said, on November 20, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Agree with Chi – expect a RH bat to platoon with Blanco. And with Stix – he will probably be Burrell redux in the field. Gain power sacrifice some d.

  12. Alleykat said, on November 20, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Agree Sabean won’t give up that draft pick cause he will use it on a pitcher anyway his strong suit cause of Dick Tidrow and Bobby Evans.
    Gary Brown #1pick #24 ain’t cutting it.
    Mac Williamson next in line.
    Sabean should of known with Brown.Never take a guy from Cal ST Fullerton, same school Aaron Rowand went too!!!

    • salty said, on November 20, 2013 at 12:35 pm

      And Dante Powell and Brett Pill.

  13. Chipower9 said, on November 20, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Looks like the Lopez deal is all but done (but not official, yet). 3 years at 13 mil. (Slight raise in average/year from his previous deal.)

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/giants/bullpen-news-javier-lopez-expected-get-third-year-giants

  14. Bozo said, on November 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    So I guess the Giants aren’t going for a Carlos Beltran redux. Well then trade it is. I say we go for Gincarlo Stanton, why would the Miami Mooks trade him when he’s under control? Because he doesn’t want to be there and will probably keep those injuries coming if he doesn’t get outta there. We know the Mooks would not even answer the phone unless we start with the password, Crick. OK, they also need a catcher so their choice Sanchez or Monell, Peguero or Perez to fill in the open OF slot for them and they need power so throw in Pill.
    OK, my job here is done.

    • snarkk said, on November 20, 2013 at 1:21 pm

      Somehow, even with the great Pill thrown in, I think the Marlins won’t go for that deal…

    • Chipower9 said, on November 20, 2013 at 1:22 pm

      How the fuck has Sabes kept his job all these years when we have you wheelin’ and dealin’ like this, Clown?

    • snarkk said, on November 20, 2013 at 1:46 pm

      I’d throw in Blanco just to seal the deal… 😉

      • Bozo said, on November 20, 2013 at 2:20 pm

        Hell, the Zephyrs will need some players, so throw in Todd Lindon to boot.

  15. Alleykat said, on November 20, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    I am estatic the Giants are bring back Javier Lopez.Dude is “NAILS” the priemer Loogy specialist in the game!
    Fact…He has only given up 2 HR’s as a member of the Giants in 625 batters faced.
    Unbelievable! !!!

  16. Bozo said, on November 20, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    For you WS replica ring collectors, the Giants will be giving out the 1954 this year.

    • snarkk said, on November 20, 2013 at 4:07 pm

      Simple, elegant. Nice big rock in the middle…

  17. blade3colorado said, on November 20, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    ESPN’s David Schoenfield has a column with regard to MLB bull pen grades. He is doing the NL today and AL tomorrow. Here are your San Francisco Giants . . .

    San Francisco Giants
    2013 statistics: 3.30 ERA (5th), .687 OPS (9th), 20.6% K rate (9th), 8.8% BB rate (10th)
    Record: 27-30, 41 saves, 13 blown saves, 49-6 when leading after six innings
    Closer: Sergio Romo
    Top setup guys: Santiago Casilla, Javier Lopez
    Others: Jeremy Affeldt, George Kontos, Jean Machi, Jose Mijares, Sandy Rosario, Heath Hembree, Jake Dunning
    Free agents: Lopez (re-signed), Chad Gaudin

    The bullpen wasn’t to blame for the club’s pitching woes in 2013. Bruce Bochy handles his relievers more carefully than any manager in the game — Romo led the staff with just 60 innings — which he’s been able to do in the past because his starters have reliably pitched deep into the game. That didn’t happen as much in 2013, of course, but Bochy still refused to overwork his relievers. As with the Padres, these guys are helped by a friendly home park and you wonder how much longer the Romo/Affeldt/Casilla/Lopez group can remain effective. Romo was a little more hittable in 2013 than in the past as his strikeouts declined, so he’s somebody to watch carefully.

    Grade: B-. No major issues here but no outstanding strengths. With Lopez back in the fold, you’re unlikely to see any further moves here.

    Here are the rest of the NL . . . http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/42398/offseason-bullpen-grades-national-league

    • snarkk said, on November 20, 2013 at 4:38 pm

      The “B-” seems about right as presently constituted. I’m concerned about Affeldt. 2 years to go on his deal, and he was ineffective and hurt this past season. He needs to come back with a vengeance, and keep himself in shape. Kontos, Machi, Rosario, Dunning all seem to be on the bubble to expendable, if better can be found. Hembree hopefully will turn into a real threat; he seemed to be getting his MLB sea legs in September. Like the others here have said, Gaudin seems to be like Gauguin — off to a desert island somewhere so that nobody’s heard a thing about him. I Googled him and there’s nothing fresh out there about him since the season ended…

  18. Flavor said, on November 20, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    I like Lopez too but he doesn’t pitch enough to get me too jazzed up about him. Last year he pitched 5.2 innings in September. The year before he pitched 4.1 in Sept. I get it that he’s a specialist and he hasn’t always been tough on right handers, but if you’re going to spend this type of coin on a guy I’d like him to pitch more. I know that sounds sort of *neanderthal-y* but that’s my take…..

    • snarkk said, on November 20, 2013 at 5:28 pm

      I absolutely agree. He’s been a fine loogy. But. Talk about budget. He’s got to be the most or near the most expensive pitcher on the team based on cost per batter retired, for guys not injured part of the year. He got $4.5M last year, faced 161 batters, for about $28K per batter faced. And, he’s not very good against RHBs, if needed for that in a pinch. At $3.5M last year, Romo faced 250 batters, for an average of $14K per batter faced. Essentially Romo got paid 1/2 as much per batter faced…

  19. Macdog said, on November 20, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Lopez is worth every dollar — as long as the Giants are contenders. If they’re not, then he’ll be a costly spare part.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 20, 2013 at 5:40 pm

      Mac is right. This is the reason why Lopez is gold . . .

      If you want to be a contender, you need someone like him in your bull pen. For example, I think most of you know about Rex Brothers taking over the closer position after Rafael Betancourt (previous closer) was injured. Rex did a good job. However, the Rockies just signed Latroy Hawkins and get this, designated him as the closer? Why? The Sherpas needed a good left-hander to match up late in the game, and right now, Brothers is the only reliable lefty they’ve got. Using him in a set-up role provides the Rockies with more flexibility. In short, this is what Lopez does for the Giants. Believe me, you wont miss him until he is gone (despite the paucity of his appearances).

      • snarkk said, on November 20, 2013 at 5:47 pm

        Latroy Hawkins. Wow. That guy is old as dirt, isn’t he? He sucked when he was with the Giants years ago.

      • blade3colorado said, on November 20, 2013 at 5:49 pm

        He will be 41 a few days before Christmas. Yeah, 2nd time around for Colorado too (there in 2007). In fairness, he was the only bright spot in the Mets bull pen last season. Sherpas know him too (he did well during the 2007 season or Rocktober as the dumb asses here call it).

      • snarkk said, on November 20, 2013 at 5:50 pm

        Getting better with age? Hmmmm….

  20. Macdog said, on November 20, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Sounds like the Tigers have traded Fielder to the Rangers for Kinsler.

    • snarkk said, on November 20, 2013 at 5:45 pm

      Guess the Kitties were tired of the Prince going pretty much Oh for the playoffs every year. Where the hell are the Rangers getting so much dough to pay these fat contracts? Hell, they were busted broke when Nolan Ryan took over 5 years ago or whenever. They must have a sweet TV deal. The DFW metroplex is about 6.5 million people per Wiki, so it’s a little smaller than the Bay Area, of course they’re the only baseball game in town…

    • blade3colorado said, on November 20, 2013 at 5:46 pm

      Good for the Tigers. Not certain that Kinsler is equal value, but Fielder was an epic fail in Detroit in my opinion. Also, he’s MLB’s version of the military’s 4 F washout (i.e., Fanboy For Fat Fucks). 🙂

    • Bozo said, on November 20, 2013 at 5:48 pm

      Wow. I guess they won’t need to trade Scherzer now. But still, that’s a wow trade in my books.

      • snarkk said, on November 20, 2013 at 5:52 pm

        Agreed. Big time unload by the Tigers. I’d take Kinzler in a heartbeat. My first reaction is the Tigers came out well. Don’t know if it was straight up, or other bodies involved…

  21. blade3colorado said, on November 20, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Trading Kinsler would open second base for Jurickson Profar (a stud prospect). They also needed a power hitter and fat ass filled the bill.

    • snarkk said, on November 20, 2013 at 6:07 pm

      So, this Profar guy has a bit more panache than Panik?…

      • blade3colorado said, on November 20, 2013 at 6:27 pm

        You could say that or some other form of alliteration.

      • snarkk said, on November 20, 2013 at 6:49 pm

        How far could a Profar hit if a Profar could hit far?…

  22. Alleykat said, on November 20, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    Far Far away in another Profar galaxy.
    The evil Ranger Empire lurks.
    Farpro ,Profar,Farpro,Profar blitzing thru the Majors at warp speed to raise havoc within all division teams.


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