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Hall of Fame Vote–BBA Style

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 30, 2013

My esteemed colleagues at The Baseball Bloggers Alliance have elected the following players to the Hall of Fame:

Greg Maddux: 94.51%

Frank Thomas: 80.22%

Tom Glavine: 75.82%

Notable misses were Piazza (72%), Barry and Clemens (60%)/59%), Curt Shithead (39%), Morris (25%), McGwire (21%), Walker (17%). The following players got no votes: Benitez, Durham, both the Jones’, LoDuca, Timlin, Nomo and me.

The BBA seems to fall close to the actual HOF voting each year. In 2010 the BBA didn’t vote anyone in and the “so called writers” voted in Andre Dawson. In 2011, the BBA selected Roberto Alomar and Bert Blyleven and both were inducted into Cooperstown later that Summer. In 2012 the BBA selected Larkin and Bagwell but the “so called writers” only took Larkin. Last year the Bloggers again took Bagwell but no one actually got in. Bagwell lost support in this year’s voting garnering only 65%.

I’ve never been to the Hall of Fame and probably will never go due to its location. I’d go if I was there. But it’s never been on my bucket list. I’m like most of you, I don’t think enough players get in. As a man who walks the earth with the rest of the people, I’m probably not an ideal voter. πŸ™‚

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  1. willedav said, on December 30, 2013 at 7:43 am

    Bonds hate continues, that’s unfortunate. Just plain the best hitter of his era, hands down.

    Interesting to see what happens with Puig if he starts the season like he ended it, hitting .214 and embarrassing himself and his team in the OF like he did vs. Cards. 2 Trips, who has pulled him from a game before, has the ultimate hammer–the bench.

    • Flavor said, on December 30, 2013 at 8:08 am

      Well, he swings at everything. So if he doesn’t cut that out he can get used to an “Aaron Rowand” diet of sliders off the plate.

  2. Nipper said, on December 30, 2013 at 7:52 am


  3. willedav said, on December 30, 2013 at 8:36 am

    ? for people who watch way more football (except for yesterday) than I do these days: how much control over what goes on in a football game does head coach actually have? What does he do—call plays on offense or D? Is he the one on the headset direct to the QB? Do they still do that?
    Even when it comes to running a practice, there are so many position coaches/co-ordinators, makes you wonder what he is doing…other than getting the credit when they win/blame when they lose.

    • Irish Kevin said, on December 30, 2013 at 9:20 am

      Yeah, I watch football quite a bit and every team seems to have a specialty coach for every position. Usually your head coach has either been an offensive player or defensive. There are a few exceptions. but rarely do you see a head coach that is proficient on both sides of the ball. Not sure exactly how it works. but the head coach and his lead assistance go over a game plan. I am pretty sure that the Head Coach can over ride any play called.

  4. unca_chuck said, on December 30, 2013 at 9:27 am

    In Harbaugh’s case, he lets Fangio make the defensive calls. He provides input/overrides Roman (running OC, and Chryst (passing OC). The encouraging thing to me is seeing Kaepernick override all of them. Which he is doing more and more of lately.

    And who said Puigs couldn’t fly?

  5. Chipower9 said, on December 30, 2013 at 10:24 am

    The whole HOF thing is a cluster-fuck. And I’m not sure at this stage anything can be done to salvage it. Interesting reads on Puig (LA Times, etc.). Dumbass.

    Speaking of flying (just caught up on the last thread), I got in a little street race late one night with a Porsche Boxster…long straight-away in Roseville. I was on my Road King. She looks stock, but I have added cams (nothing too radical…more top-end passing cams), a Screaming Eagle race tuner, hi-flow intake, and Vance and Hines Pro Pipe. Anyway, I ate him up outta the hole, and held him at the end. I was doing 110 when I backed-off the throttle. I thought I was flying two-up until I saw a video on the Isle of Man race (if you have not seen it, all other races PALE in comparison…these guys have BALLS).

    • blade3colorado said, on December 30, 2013 at 12:11 pm

      Chi, I am still kicking myself for passing on an opportunity to attend Isle of Man TT races when I was stationed in England. By the by, probably not today’s version of the Porsche Boxster, but there was a time (late 90’s and early 2000s) that it was considered a “chick’s car.” In short, they were gutless, albeit, they did handle the twisties good. Not certain, but the S version today has been beefed up and is around 315 HP. It flies.

      • chipower9 said, on December 30, 2013 at 12:32 pm

        Yeah, my brother-in-law (ex’s bro…still refer to him as my BIL) had a Boxster S. First time I drove it, I was playing around with it. Finally he says “GET ON IT.” Well, I dropped the clutch and put pedal to the metal. After banging through the first 3 gears I look down and we’re doing 80. My question at that point was what in the hell are the purpose of 4th and 5th gears? πŸ˜‰

        Yeah, Boxsters are not the fastest, but it was fun to get it on with this kid in his Boxster. He was probably thinking “Ah, Harley Davidson bagger…this should be fun.” I am sure I suprised him (part of the fun of keeping your bike looking stock but pumping her up).

      • chipower9 said, on December 30, 2013 at 12:33 pm

        “is” the purpose…

  6. snarkk said, on December 30, 2013 at 10:24 am

    The problem I have now with the BBHOF is the asinine writers who are voting, I don’t have any issue with the museum, because that’s essentially what it is. A baseball museum. I went to the BBHOF in Cooperstown as a kid. It was great. Seeing Babe Ruth’s bat and Ty Cobb’s spikes and all that stuff is way cool, for a fan of baseball. I’d go again, definitely. Cooperstown is a quaint, cool town, but way out of the way to get to, not too far from Pawlie’s neck of the woods. You have to want to go there, it’s not off the interstate, that’s for sure…

  7. chipower9 said, on December 30, 2013 at 10:30 am

    I agree snarkk. I don’t have issue with the HOF itself (it is the “process” and the idiodic writers). And while I have never been there, it is a place that I really want to see (that and the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum in KC).

    Only 42 days until your SF Giant pitchers and catchers report.

    • snarkk said, on December 30, 2013 at 11:04 am

      If you’re ever back there in the area, Chi, I highly recommend a visit. You need to do an overnight. To do the HOF museum right, it takes all day, really, You could take two days, if you linger at the various exhibits. The country is beautiful, and the town itself is really quaint and fun. Touristy, in a baseball way, as you might expect, but fun. I imagine it’s even more commercial now than when I was there years ago. Pawlie’s just been there, he’s got the updated view for sure…

  8. unca_chuck said, on December 30, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Chuck, Veolcity is one of my favorite cable stations and they show that race. Unbelievable. I’ve seen a bunch of bike races at Laguna Seca (back in the Kenny Roberts days), and that’s nutty enough with all the hills, hairpins, and the corkscrew, but you can’t get going too too fast there. Those guys are rocketing around that place at unreal speeds.

    Street bikes have always scared the shit out of me because I love going fast. I can’t get into too much trouble on my little dirt bike.

  9. unca_chuck said, on December 30, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Most of these guys (Bonds, Clemens at least) will get in once this ciurrent crop of curmudgeons dies off.

    • snarkk said, on December 30, 2013 at 10:58 am

      Susan Slusser, the A’s beat writer for the Chron, voted no on Bonds, Clemens, etc. due to ‘roids. She’s the president of the BBWAA. She’ll be voting for the next 30 years. She’s symptomatic of the idiots voting for the HOF. Writers that covered baseball during the ‘roids era, didn’t write shit about it or call it out, in fact enabled it, now penalize the players that played in that time by saying they can tell who used and who didn’t. Where was Slusser when she was covering Giambi with the A’s in the late 90s/ early 2000s? She covered the Rangers in the mid 90s. Nobody on the Rangers was using then? If she can swear she had no idea the players she covered were using ‘roids, I’d like to hear it…

      • chipower9 said, on December 30, 2013 at 12:38 pm

        You nailed it, Tom. That is the part of the whole shenanigans that I don’t like (not saying shit about it during the heyday of the era). Fuck ’em. Bud and the owners did the same damned thing. Everyone buried their heads in the sands and went along for the ride (because you know…”chicks dig the long ball”).

      • unca_chuck said, on December 30, 2013 at 1:24 pm

        Throw in the managers of these guys getting a free pass to the Hall, and that seals the deal. Utter hypocracy that the leauge colluded with the various front offices to turn a blind eye to the steroid issue for 10 years while the game recovered from the strike. Once the numbers all came back, and the problem was rampant, then it became an issue. Driven by Congress of all things. Bud should go down in hoistory as the worst commissioner in the history of the league but he’ll have statues erected in his used-car image.


  10. Flavor said, on December 30, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    HilArious development related to this thread. Just got an irate email from the leader of the BBA. He said that 91 members cast a HOF ballot but he just checked and a 10 of those guys cast votes for 11 players when the ONLY rule given to us was that if you voted for more than 10 your ballot would be disqualified. As a result of the re-count it appears that Glavine has now only received 74% of the vote and has been effectively stripped of his fictitious entry into the BHOF. The other 2 guys still scored enough to get in.
    Anyway, there is turmoil at the highest levels of the BBA. For the record, I counted before submitting, 10 players on the nose coming out of this corner. I find it quite hilarious that 10 out of 91 can’t count to ten. Lqtm

    • chipower9 said, on December 30, 2013 at 12:39 pm

      That is fricking hilarious, Flav. Ate up with the dumbass…

  11. gianthead said, on December 30, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    I was watching Ken Burns’ 10th Inning documentary extension of his landmark Baseball documentary and it goes through the steroid era and Bonds record setting all-time home run record and for me, it just seems so joyless looking back at his record chase.

    It might be that the two World Series have become our dominant historical memory of our beloved team and I generally have been a Bonds’ fan, I was especially into his 2001 home run record setting year (esepcially since I disliked McGwire and the 1998 chase with Sosa was steroid aided), but it was myopic on my part to think it was a clean effort on Bonds’ part and now looking back it holds little joy for me.

    I have said this here before, but what if Bonds in reaction to McGwire and Sosa and a lot of other players cheating, just stuck with who and what he was as a abseball player. He would have been in my mind well over 600 homers, probably passing Mays and was over 500 stolen bases regardless and he would be hailed today as the greatest player to have ever played. Your reputation is precious and Bonds’ story serves as a moral tale I use with my kids about being honest and not resorting to the easy way out in cheating.

    • unca_chuck said, on December 30, 2013 at 1:27 pm

      Since the team bascially sucked after 2003, the chase was all there was re the Giants.

      The media-driven frenzy generated most of the bad reaction to it. Especially ESPN’s minute-by-minute coverage of everything Barry.

    • unca_chuck said, on December 30, 2013 at 1:29 pm

      And, as far as Barry goes, I’m sure his thought at the time was, if 2/3 of the league is going to do it and inflate their numbers a la Brady Anderson, watch what happens when I do it.

    • blade3colorado said, on December 30, 2013 at 1:42 pm

      Great post Peter and congratulations on your daughter’s cheer leading accomplishment!

    • chipower9 said, on December 30, 2013 at 2:27 pm

      “…and he would be hailed today as the greatest player to have ever played.” Hmmm…I am not so sure about that. I just don’t see Bonds (roids or not) as the complete five-tool guy like Mays. In that situation I would have still had the “Say Hey Kid” as the all-time greatest.

      Congrats to you and your daughter on the cheerleading invite to the Orange Bowl.

      • gianthead said, on January 1, 2014 at 4:35 am

        Thanks dudes…I just need some sun down here now…

  12. gianthead said, on December 30, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    And Happy New Years you bastards:) I am off to the Orange Bowl with my daughter tomorrow. I may not have told you flappers that she and her middle school cheerleading team are performing in the half time show (only middle school invited in the country)!!!

    Go Stanford and Kevin Hogan!

    • gianthead said, on December 30, 2013 at 1:06 pm

      Yes I realize Stanford is in the Rose Bowl…

  13. snarkk said, on December 30, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Does the Pro Football HOF disqualify guys that have tested positive for PEDs, been suspended, or been suspected of using? No. How many guys already in Canton were PEDs users? The mind boggles at that unknown number. At least Canton doesn’t pretend that its guys were something they weren’t. They played in their era, they excelled, and they get recognized…

    • blade3colorado said, on December 30, 2013 at 1:56 pm

      You only need to look at all the ESPN football analysts to say to yourself, “Gee, that guy sure did lose a lot of weight.”

  14. DJLoo said, on December 30, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    I went to the HOF about 30 years ago and was kind of bored.
    And the likenesses on the plaques are often hideous.
    Marichal looks like Willie Mays’ grandpa:

    • snarkk said, on December 30, 2013 at 2:41 pm

      IMO, the plaques are the least of what is interesting there. Marichal’s bust could look like Johnny Lemaster for all I care…

      • blade3colorado said, on December 30, 2013 at 2:56 pm

        Additionally, they need to hire someone that is familiar with proper grammar, e.g., commas being used where semi-colons should be utilized; and, all capitals. However, I will let our resident Professor Emeritus, Pawlie Kokonuts pass final judgement. πŸ˜‰

      • DJLoo said, on December 30, 2013 at 2:57 pm

        It kind of does.

  15. unca_chuck said, on December 30, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    The NFL’s are much worse.

  16. snarkk said, on December 30, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Tim Tebow — working hard on that goal to be an NFL QB…

  17. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 30, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    A trip to the HOF is definitely on my bucket list. Count me as one that thinks too many get in.

  18. PawlieKokonuts said, on December 30, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Grouchily, I declare that “bucket list” is a term — and a concept — I loathe. Everyday has wonders to behold, in the “ordinary” moment, in “ordinary” places. I just don’t care for the term. As for Cooperstown: the village and surrounding environs are bucolic, charming, quaint, provincial, and insular. The HOF, in my view, exhibits three of those adjectives describing the village and surrounding area. In many ways the Hall is stuffy and staid; boring, as Loo says. Rather Victorian. Some might argue that is true of baseball, and that its survival is at risk in a digital, ephemeral, interactive world. For years I have felt that visitors should have more “live” stuff offered. For example, I know what it looked like to watch Willie Mays or Pete Rose or Mickey Mantle. They should have more viewing opportunities. I also have a personal hardon toward the HOF because they would not even consider selling any of my books, the c*nts. So I went two doors down. And did very well, thank you. (By the way, just finished a Roddy Doyle book, and it seems the Irish, at least his characters, use the C word liberally and irrespective of gender.)

    • blade3colorado said, on December 30, 2013 at 7:33 pm

      “. . . Two doors down” was Pete in a booth near you? Already imagining you and Pete discussing what “c*nts” the suits at the HOF are. πŸ™‚

  19. Bozo said, on December 30, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    I have seen a lot of baseball in my 59 years (I guess that equates to about 49 years of baseball watching). Watching Bonds live 40+ games a year from 93 on, all I can say is, I have never seen any Left handed batter turn on an inside fastball like him, ever. I didn’t get to see Ted Williams or Babe Ruth play live, so maybe Bonds wasn’t the greatest but he was the best left handed hitter I ever saw.
    Selig needed a villain and Bonds was perfect for the part, no one outside of the SF fans liked him (even the SF writers hated him), and yes, I think he used, but your not talking about Marvin Bernard or Paul Lo Duca here. You are talking about someone who is in the greatest player ever debate.

    Mays was the best player I ever saw but was he a better hitter? I’m not so sure about that. It seemed Willie could get whatever hit was needed at any given time (need a double? No prob. Home Run? I got it). But Bonds was doing that shit with only one pitch in the strike zone during an at bat and sometime a game, so I don’t know.

    Until someone can prove that Ripken and Larkin didn’t use and also prove to me that Aaron or Ruth didn’t go for an edge or cheat somehow, I’m not buying the “yeah he was a Hall Of Famer until he used” argument. And, I sure as hell don’t regret staying in my seat when Barry was at bat.

    As fans of the game if you want to go to the Hall, that’s cool by me. What I really want to see is a boycott of the Hall by the players, no spikes, no milestone baseballs, no jerseys or caps until all the players from that era are considered. You can’t vote a player in because you think he didn’t use just like you can’t keep one out because you think they did. Not all players ballooned up, many were using to heal faster, get over hangovers or whatever. So in my opinion, it’s impossible to tell the steroid use going all the way back to the early 60s or if we’re talking synthesized testosterone, the early 40s.

    Sorry for the repeat rant on this, but the whole thing really does piss me off. Bonds belongs in the Hall.

  20. willedav said, on December 30, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    Nice post, Boz. Killiion last year said the same BS as slusser, so did the guy from the Merc, Purdy. They are 100% FOS imo. You can take as many roids as you can stuff into your system, but it doesn’t help you hit Greg Maddux, and Bonds lit the guy up regularly, just like he did everyone else whoever threw him a strike. I also cannot believe anyone who managed against him and saw what he did on a regular basis to opposing pitching staffs would say he didn’t belong, either.

    Even tho I generally dislike them, props to Oregon Fighting Ducks for smacking around the Horns in a game set up for them in their backyard. Mariota, who is really good against everyone not named Stanford, lit them up, comes back for another year (he says now) and would likely go pretty high if he came out now.
    Props also to Chip Kelly for taking his system and making adjustments to make it work in the NFL, which is epitome of what coaching is all about. He runs the ball with McCoy and the guy set team records, and Foles threw 20 some TD passes and 2 ints the whole year.
    I heard Shaw talk to Madden and explain how he watched Oregon on film and how they run the football and their QBs do not get hit. Sure NFL d guys are different, but you can still go hurry up and make the system work if you have imagination and can fit it to your guys. Imagine what Kap could do in a wide open scheme like this instead of Harbs smashmouth Michigan vs. Ohio State 3 yards and a cloud of dust game plan.

    • chipower9 said, on December 31, 2013 at 8:29 am

      Well, last year when Kap took the reighns, they did run a lot of wide-open pistol stuff. But I believe teams wised to that scheme (stacking the box with 8), and it took a lot of the read/option away. I think Kap will be a damned good QB, but he is young and needs to mature. I don’t know if it is more on him or the coaches, but they have to get better at clock management. Way too many delay of game penalties, and I hope he can develop at progressing through his receivers (a raw spot in his game, IMO).

  21. snarkk said, on December 30, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    You guys may have heard this, and I missed it. Deadspin has bought a HOF voter off, he will execute his ballot as directed by a poll run by Deadspin. I love this. The BBWAA showing itself to be as corrupt and idiotic as we know it can be. And, instead, the wisdom of the public that actually watches and cares about the game is allowed to rise to making the selections…

    • chipower9 said, on December 31, 2013 at 8:51 am

      Had not heard about that. Awesome. I only wish I would have known before Dec. 26 (when they closed their voting poll).

  22. Nipper said, on December 31, 2013 at 3:03 am

    Anyone awake? It’s Peets coffee this morn. Nice and quiet. HOF…..I just don’t give a damn.

    • Bozo said, on December 31, 2013 at 4:11 am

      Morning Nipper, I’ve got Peet’s going as well.

  23. Bozo said, on December 31, 2013 at 8:20 am

    For those interested, SB Nation rates the Giants top 20 prospects.


    • chipower9 said, on December 31, 2013 at 9:11 am

      Good read…thanks for sharing.

  24. Chipower9 said, on December 31, 2013 at 8:24 am

    Clown’s 7:48 is POTD material, IMO. John – I agree with you re: Bonds being the best LH hitter I have ever seen (and I agree, he may well have been a better hitter than Willie). And I, like you, have watched probably close to 50 years of baseball.

    I never saw Mays live, but saw him in televised games. Based on “who I saw” Mays was the best all-around player. I have been watching some of the Ken Burn’s Baseball documentary, and one (Inning 7, I believe) has a ton on Mays. He was just a phenominal once in a generation player.

    And I whole-heartedly agree with your slant on players boycotting the hall until the doors are open to the roid era. It won’t happen, but its nice to think about.

    As I have mentioned earlier, I have problems with some aspects of the hall, but being a diehard fan of the game, I truly do want to get back there and see it (along with the Negro Leagues museum in Kansas City).

    • Bozo said, on December 31, 2013 at 10:02 am

      Thanks Chi. I may go to the Hall some day and I hope I can get to the KC museum. For years now I’ve been searching for some kind of clip showing Cool Papa Bell running the bases. And even though I only got to see Mays play live a couple of times, I’d agree that he was the best (a lot of East coast folks say it was the Mick but I’m sticking with Mays). I once read where a Negro League player said Willie was pretty good. Now I know he only played a couple of years for the league when he was a teenager, but – he was pretty good? To me it’s fucking criminal there isn’t more film of the league, where a young Willie Mays was considered “pretty good”. Damn.

  25. willedav said, on December 31, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Chron reports obit of Connie Dierking at 77, who could shoot (and make) a hook shot from the FT line.
    Hook shot, of course, died long ago, replaced by its lesser counterpart the *jump hook*.
    Try teaching hook shot to a kid of today…lost art

    For a little perspective, buddy of mine is local UPS driver and life long redskins fan. Says he listens to 12-4 Niners fans complain on KNBR (and me yesterday), and said, “I’d kill to be 12-4.”.

  26. unca_chuck said, on December 31, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Win a few Super Bowls and the fans’ expectations get a little out of whack.

    What I find very intriguing is it was a recent as 2010 that I thought the Forty Niners front office was a complete joke. Too many middle managers, no direct lines of communication, Singletary acting like a lunatic, and no cogent plan for the direction of the team beyond Siungletary’s stone age offensive philosophy. Eddie D himself said that the front office was a mishmash of personnel and titles and no clear direction.

    In walks Jim Harbaugh and basically with the flip of a switch, the front office is a well-oiled machine, the offense is clicking, and the defense is all-world. By no means did I think one guy could make that big a difference. I thought there would be incremental improvement over a couple years as the team brought validity to his system. The truth is, Baalke, before Harb got there, drafted pretty well, and Nolan before him had some solid drafts.

    Yes, I knew we had players in place, but I didn’t think the turnaround would be this dramatic. Once again it is Super Bowl or nothing.

    • unca_chuck said, on December 31, 2013 at 9:57 am

      In regards to how this affects a team like the Redskins (or the Cowboys for that matter) is the amount of control those owners have, and their idea of how to run their teams. Jerry Jones has made terrible decision after terrible decision, yet he won’t relinquish day-to-day control of the team to a GM. So they languish in mediocrity whiole he doles out huge contracts to marginal players and let their good players go. Jones’ philosophy seems to be as long as Dallas makes headlines, for whatever reason, he doesn’t care how the team does. Jsaon Garrett might as well have Jerry Jones arm up his ass to call the plays. Jones regularly tells his coaches who’s allowed to call plays (Callahan or Garrett), call the defensive formations (used to be Wade Phillips), on and on.

      Snyder is the same deal. He has a GM in Bruce Allen, and Shanny used to share in the GMing with him til yesterday, but Snyder butts in/overrides their decisions all the time and it creates nothing but trouble. Shanny may have napalmed all his bridges in Washington, but working in those conditions can’t be fun. And he used to work for Al Davis.

  27. wswin said, on December 31, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Happy New Year Fellas…As far as the HoF voting goes, players should only be judged for their accomplishments on the field of play. Nothing else.

  28. chipower9 said, on December 31, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Happy New Year Flap Nation!

    Wishing you and yours the best of health, happiness, peace, and good fortune throughout the Year of the Horse.

  29. snarkk said, on December 31, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Glad to hear Nippy cranked up the van and got some Peets, and Bozo’s got the brew goin’, too. I’ve got a large cup of the Major Dickason’s going. I used to drink and buy the stuff from Store #1 at Walnut Square in Berzerkeley back in the early ’80s, when it was the local chain, maybe 2 other stores in those days. A woman that lived on the ground floor of my rented house in Elmwood ( I was on the top floor in an illegal space, of course) worked there and would give me a free cuppa, if she were in a good mood. “Typical” Berkeley — she was of the mindset that when there were obvious signs of mice in her bottom floor pantry, she wouldn’t put out traps, she’d put out plates of food for them. Meanwhile, she put up a stray teenage boy on the run from his family in the back detached garage (who happened to be the boyfriend of her deranged teenage Goth daughter), along with a space heater. Luckily, no fire occurred. We had racoons as big as medium sized dogs sleeping in the fronds of the big palm tree in the back, after they’d made their raids at night in the restaurant dumpsters down on the College Ave. strip in Elmwood. I had a squirrel come into my apartment once, I chase him for about 5 minutes before he found his way down the stairs finally and out. My top floor flat had no ceiling insulation, just bare shingles. So, in winter it got cold. Especially with wind — the shingles made a fluttering sound like a million little flags as the air blew into my space. I remember the Monday night game in Denver where Ray Wersching flinched that field goal when somebody in the stands threw a snowball at him — Cavanaugh flubbed the hold when the snowball hit, and the play cratered. I had people over to watch the game. I had the wall heater going full blast, yet everybody was wearing their coats and parkas, you could see your breath in my apartment — as we were drinking beers and wine watching the game, then cussing out those Bronco fans. Those were the days…

    • unca_chuck said, on December 31, 2013 at 1:04 pm

      Hah! I went there as well. My old GF was a professional student, and she lived on Durant. Actually it mighta been the one on Shattuck. One morning, hung over, I had to get to work in San Mateo from Berkeley, so I had a large double-latte death bomb thing to kick-start my ass. By the time I got to the parking lot at work a half hour later, my hands and face were going numb, I couldn’t feel my legs, and I was having trouble focussing my eyes. It was some sort of too much booze in the bloodstream mixed with ODing on caffeine psychotic reaction. I laid in my car for about 30 minutes til feeling came back into my extremities. Stopped drinking coffee after that for about 15 years.

      • snarkk said, on December 31, 2013 at 1:41 pm

        The best I can do now to push the caffeine envelope is a half caf at Peet’s. I almost always get the decaf. If by barrista error I get a medium cup of the Major’s regular in the store, in about 90 minutes I feel like ants are crawling on me and I better stay away from bridge railings…

    • ewisco said, on December 31, 2013 at 2:06 pm

      I was at that game in Denver. A buddy got married that weekend to the daughter of a wealthy ex-stanford football player. so he gave us 6 seats at the 30 and down pretty low. a blizzard had struck the day before (the wedding day, many epic tales there) and we took a bunch of blankets from the hotel. the seats were covered in a foot or more of snow. we were told to root very quietly for the niners as the folks around us weren’t hesitant to start a fight. so we wrapped up in our hotel blankets and nipped at the flasks we’d snuck in and had a pretty good time. The kick was at the other end zone and until i saw the replay later, i thought it landed in a patch of snow. that was an incredible throw to time it perfectly and place it perfectly. after the game, instead of going up to the concourse and out, which was the way we came in, they let us go down to the field and exit out a big gate. we were all pretty blasted by then as we’d been drinking non-stop for three days. I got to the end of the row and looked back to see if the last guy was following. yep, right there. turned, went down the stairs and looked up. nope, not there anymore. apparently he figured he came in from the top so that’s the way out. my buddies all said, “where’s case (his nickname)” and i said he was right behind me at the end of the row. and they all said “you lost case?” and i said, what do you mean lost? the guy has an ivy league degree and a masters from boston college, why should i keep track of him?” and they all shook their heads and said this won’t end well. we had started the evening at a bar across from the stadium called Brooklyns. Case lived in brooklyn so we figured he’d remember. so we waited and swagged for a couple of hours and finally called it a day. no cab would come out there because of the reputation of the place so we convinced the hotel to send a car so they could at least get their blankets back. while we waited outside, there was all kind of assholes trying to kung fu fight and it was hilarious as they obviously were a) shitfaced and b) had no clue how to kung fu fight. so the car gets there and takes us back and there’s case. where the f were you? he said that yes, he went up instead of down figuring that that’s where we went. when he got out front he couldn’t find us so he was looking around trying to figure out what to do next. he sees all these winnebagos going by and figures “i’ll just get on the ladder on the back and when they go by the hotel, i’ll get off”. not a terrible idea except the bloody thing promptly got on 25 headed to wyoming! so he’s clinging to the back and it’s like 10 degrees and he’s freezing his ass off going 65 mph down the freeway. all these people are honking at the driver but he thinks they’re still jacked up about the game so he’s yelling “go broncos!”. finally case summons up the courage to knock on the window. the rv comes screetching to a halt. do they yell at him? do they leave him standing there in the cold? nope, bundle him in, take him to the motel they’re staying at and feed him drinks and he dances with the daughters. finally they send him back where he beats us to the hotel. Winnebago started putting plastic cages over the ladders shortly after that. coincidence?

      only one of many stories to come out of that wedding and yes, they’re still married.

  30. zumiee said, on December 31, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    I’ve never been a coffee drinker; never had a taste for it. I drink a lot of ice tea, or iced tea, whatever it’s called, though. These days my favorite flavors are Peace Tea: Georgia Peach, and Snow Berry (blue berry.) And my Peace Tea connection is Giants-related. My FIRST can of Peace Tea came from a truck near AT&T Park, before a Giants game, from some folks who were giving out free cans as a promotion. I took a can of Razzleberry, and it was pretty groovy.

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