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One Road Trip In the Books

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on April 7, 2014

Well, if I had told you that we’d be 5-2….eh, nevermind. It always sucks to lose to the Dodgers. We competed, they were just better. Grienke was much better than Cain, who was lucky to only give up 5. You serve up 4 bombs to those two idiots and you only give up five earned, well, that’s a mini-victory. Sorta.

Brandon Belt is hitting .323 with 4 dongs.

They might have to plastic wrap the entirety of Main Street in Los Altos if he keeps this up.

You know who else is hitting .323 and leading the AL in dongs? That’s right, The Melkman.

My main main on the scene in Houston, WilcoJoe, made a brazen and bold call last night linking Mike Morse to Jack Clark. Upon further review…..inconclusive? Or confirmed?




In my opinion, that was a pretty good call…..

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  1. blade3colorado said, on April 7, 2014 at 6:57 am

    The hitting is great. Pitching not so much. I’m hoping the Phone Park will be the great equalizer for the pitching woes. I just hope it doesn’t bring the hitting down substantially as well. Kemp being Kemp is a downer, as I wasn’t certain about him being able to recapture his former greatness. Nevertheless, the Bums have a number of issues, e.g., Puig’s finger looks worse then originally thought, and Kershaw may not be back until May at the earliest. Speaking of Puig – this is one of the most fascinating articles about Latin ball players in general and Puig specifically . . . http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10733609/let-cut-yasiel-puig-some-slack-young-man-antics

    I cracked up on the following:

    • Luis Castillo once set off a fire alarm in an American hotel, thinking it was a shampoo dispenser.

    • Euclides Rojas accidentally bought dog food for his son. He saw a smiling kid on the can. He didn’t know there was such a thing as food just for dogs in this country.

    • Jose Fernandez crawled around in the airport bathroom, trying to figure out how to flush and wash his hands, not knowing anything about sensors.

    • Rene Arocha felt his knees give — actually felt faint and almost passed out — the first time he walked into a grocery store and saw so many aisles of food.

    • Ariel Prieto didn’t know anything about banks or credit cards or our currency, so he walked around for more than a week with his $1.2 million signing bonus in the pocket of his jeans.

    • Livan Hernandez decided to defect because, when the national team went abroad, he was tired of stealing soap and detergent he didn’t have back home to wash his uniform.

    By the by, that photo of Morse doesn’t look like Clark. However, WilcoJoe is spot on about other photos I have seen of Morse that do look like Clark.

    • snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:38 am

      Puig’s been in the majors and LA / the US for going on a year / several years, respectively. He knows traffic sucks in LA. Being late for pre-game prep and confusing fire alarms for soap dispensers don’t seem in the same area code of social misunderstandings…

  2. James said, on April 7, 2014 at 7:35 am

    I’m certainly not one to complain about Belt, but his BABIP is 476 right now. A 323 BA may or may not be sustainable, but it certainly isn’t going to happen with his current K to walk ratio. I’d like to see how he does once he’s forced to become more selective again.

    • snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:26 am

      The Giants and Bochy wanted him to stop being a pussy hitter. Not in those words, but almost. He’s doing that now, so I suppose they’re happy…

  3. Chipower9 said, on April 7, 2014 at 7:55 am

    I see the resemblance.

    I did not see yesterday’s game and I have read nothing from the press or pundits, but it is official now, for me…

    I am officially concerned about The Horse. This is they guy who with the big contract was supposed to anchor the rotation for years to come. I hate to be a downer, but I am truly starting to wonder if he can capture the magic he once had.

    I have not gone back and caught-up on the previous threads, so maybe this is a topic you all beat to hell. If not, what does Flap Nation think?

    With all that said, I am digging the way this team is grinding on the other side of the equation. First in HRs in the majors and 2nd in runs scored. I like it…now if the pitching can just own-up to their end of the equation.

    Pumped as hell for tomorrow’s opener! Cannot wait to hit the yard, grab a dog and brew and ring in the 2014 campaign!

  4. Chipower9 said, on April 7, 2014 at 8:01 am

    I am with you on Belt, James. I have mentioned his K rate a couple of times this year. While he lead the team in OPS last year, and was 2nd in OBP, he did K 125 times in 509 ABs and only drew 50 free passes.

    Yeah, the HRs and BA look good so far, but at 10-0 in the K/BB ratio…I don’t see it as sustainable.

    • James said, on April 7, 2014 at 8:34 am

      Chi, it’s important to separate results from K totals. If Belt put up a 950 OPS and whiffed 200 times this year, he’d be as valuable a player as someone with the same OPS and half the Ks. The issue is that there is almost no way Belt could do that well if he whiffed 200 times.

      • Chipower9 said, on April 7, 2014 at 8:44 am

        Absolutely…I get it, James. My point being that at his current K/BB ratio (and rate of Ks/ABs)…I do not see it as sustainable. It IS early, but 10 Ks IN 31 AB…and his OBP is down from last year.

        I am pulling big time for Belt…especially for him to be a bit more selective. But hard to argue with the early returns…

  5. Alleykat said, on April 7, 2014 at 8:27 am

    Sometimes the K’s for Belt is out of his hands, the 3rd strike call was way off the corner, definitely a home field call!
    See the Clark/Morse resemblace too, Tho The Ripper still had more swagger, nice job Wilco!

  6. dirtnrocksnomo said, on April 7, 2014 at 8:37 am

    When Belt hits a rainbow shot like he did last night I start cutting Costco coupons for plastic wrap.

    • Flavor said, on April 7, 2014 at 8:58 am

      locking up POTD before 9am, nice. You can go back to bed now. 🙂

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:04 am

        Belt really has effortless power. It’s pretty amazing. The John Kruk lovefest was a bit much last night. Best hitter in the NL? Whoaaa, John, whoaaa buddy. Let’s give it a little time eh? I suppose it was better than plumbing the depths of Mitch Williams psyche. That’s a short tip for sure.

  7. Chipower9 said, on April 7, 2014 at 8:48 am

    My two favorite teams…

    The Giants…

    And whoever is playing the Bums. Go Tigers!

    On a different topic…who in the hell saw an NCAA final of Kantuck and Connecticut. Sure, these teams have a rich history in hoops, but to have both land in the final, this year…I’m pulling for the all frosh starting line-up…go Wildcats!

    • snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:32 am

      The all-frosh lineup — all-gone next year?…

  8. James said, on April 7, 2014 at 8:56 am

    Whatever the other resemblance, Morse is seriously lacking in the unibrow.

  9. twinfan1 said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:07 am

    Going forward I’d worry a hell of a lot more about The Beast than I would about Belt…
    Cain- says he’s not worried. Here’s what he should say: “I sucked”
    Pagan- What can you say? He’s kinda hot?
    Pablo- He’s my main man-he’ll be fine
    Pence- Thank you Thank you Thank you – not the dinger, the shave
    Crick- may leap frog the AAA kids
    Clarification- I’m not worried about Morse, just more so than I am about Belt. Is Mad Mike another Jack Clark?
    No, Mike speaks English.
    Gutierrez- I was dead sure he’d go down when Affeldt came back, Maybe not. Does he throw his fastball at anything except 96?
    MadBum’s Snot Rocket count for April 5- 18 total, 7 in the 7th, 2 at-bat SNR, one double SNR .

    Repairing Panda’s divots is a full time job

    • snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:42 am

      I would bet they bring up Escobar, not Crick, if Voggy continues to crater. Has better control, not better stuff…

      • twinfan1 said, on April 7, 2014 at 10:06 am

        We’ll see how they progress. Escobar had a terrible first outing, Crick a good one. Mejia is another who might get the call. Even Kickham.

      • snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 10:19 am

        I’ve only seen Crick a few times on video. He seems not ready to me, too raw and unrefined yet. But, hey, after a half dozen starts at Richmond, who knows? Seriously, this Voggy thing looks dicey and headed for a tire fire. Mechanics, schmakanicks, I just think Voggy doesn’t have it anymore. Runs out of gas early, his pitches have nothing, and everybody gets in line to hit him hard. When the lineup clobbers you one after another, that shows a pitcher who just doesn’t have it, like days of Zito…

      • twinfan1 said, on April 7, 2014 at 10:19 am

        Of course, Petit would get the first shot,

      • snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 10:32 am

        If Petit subbed in for Voggy, then who gets the long man position? I wouldn’t think it out of possibility they’d just switch positions for Petit and Voggy…

      • twinfan1 said, on April 7, 2014 at 11:31 am

        Maybe Huff if he isn’t cut loose after Affeldt returns. Just my guess that if Vogey has a another stinker, they’d eat the contract. A terrible 2013, terrible ST, terrible start to this year… cut him loose. it was a bad idea to give him 6 mill and a guaranteed rotation job in the first place, He was minor league contract material.
        Of course now he’ll defy the odds yet again.

      • snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 12:09 pm

        I find it hard to believe Sabes will just DFA Vogelsong soon since a $5+M deal blowing up in his face would be a result, with the consequent ton of very public I-told-you-so’s. Maybe Voggy can pull up out of this nosedive, but everything suggests otherwise. I just did not understand that signing at all — with Petit showing something in the last half 2013, plus Sabes having done a good off season job assembling other arms from external talent, the Vogs guaranteed re-signing with virtually no reported significant competition for his services was/is just a head scratcher…

      • twinfan1 said, on April 7, 2014 at 1:30 pm

        You’re probably right about not cutting Vogey. Maybe they’d give him a few tries in the pen, but from what I gather, he would be not be a happy camper. I dunno, the best thing is for him to turn it around.

  10. willedav said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:19 am

    Clark…being older than my cousin and his buddies, Clark was sometimes harder to like in comparison with some of the Giants OFs that came before him. Shame that like so many others he got dumped off too soon.
    Do remember watching him win a game with a base hit vs. Kent Tekulve. I dug the Pirates from Pops days and used to wear the black 3 rings hat a lot. In those days with glasses on and the hat I used to look like Tekulve.

    • Alleykat said, on April 7, 2014 at 12:27 pm

      What was really a shame,was the Giants trading him for David (one and done) Green!!!!!!!!!!Total Bust along with his age which atleast 4 years older then the Giants knew.
      They atleast got some mileage out of the SS Jose Uribe the throw in.

  11. snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:31 am

    Belt is a better hitter all around when he’s hitting to left center. That’s geared to hitting in ATT as a LHBatter, since pulling to right center there is death as a LHBatter. He’s pulling more than ever now with his “new grip”, witness these defensive shifts played on him. He’s evolving as a pro, his hitting identity is in flux. Can he hit for power and average? Maybe, he’s got a pretty compact swing for a potential power guy. IMO, if a choice must be made at the 1b position, I’ll take more power, lower average…

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:36 am

      I like what we’re seeing so far. I agree with your post above about the Ks. The club has asked him to swing more and he has. It’s hard to fault him for it.

  12. Chipower9 said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:41 am

    Heard this morning that Sabes and Pablo’s agent have re-opened contract negotiations. Get it done…

  13. twinfan1 said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:42 am

    The day that Lasorda will never forget:
    “October 16, 1985 : THE DAY THAT WON’T GO AWAY : JACK CLARK : With One Swing of His Bat, the St. Louis Cardinals’ First Baseman Ended Dodger Hopes Last Season by Powering a Ninth-Inning Fastball Into the Left-Field Pavilion at Dodger Stadium to Put His Team Into the World Series”

  14. Chipower9 said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:52 am

    Posey on Cain’s outing last night: “He looked as sharp as I’ve seen him,” catcher Buster Posey said. “His direction was really good and his ball had good life on it. Unfortunately it was just a couple mistakes and they squared them up.”

    Seems a common theme for some of the Giant’s starters. Question becomes, when do they begin to consistently get past those “mistakes” and have a quality start that translates to a W. This is so true of Tim, and becoming more frequent with Cain. Again, I did not see the game, so maybe his stuff was good and he truly just left a few hanging.

    • snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:59 am

      I only saw the highlights/lowlights. The two Kemp HRs were a thigh-high hit me fastball at 92, and what looked maybe like a hit-me cutter at 92, belt high. The Ramirez HR was a better pitch, sorta down and in at knee level at 87, could have been a cutter with some speed taken off, not sure what it was, and Ramirez got around on it. The two Kemp pitches were atrocious gopher balls, something Cain is getting all too good at throwing. I think he’s lost movement on his pitches, and his best fastball is down in low 90s now. As Timmy well knows, good hitters have and are going to clobber that thigh-high low 90s gopher ball shit …

      • snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 10:05 am

        I saw Cain’s interview now, the Ramirez pitch he says was a change up…

  15. snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:53 am

    I give the Morse/Clark comparison a plausible brothers’ resemblance…

  16. James said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:57 am

    Not so much worried about Belt — he’s a good player whose numbers show that he has always produced — nor am I being critical of him for following orders. I’m more curious about how things evolve. He looks ready to take it to another level, but there is no way he does that without returning to at least a somewhat more selective approach.

    • snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 10:23 am

      I’m curious, too. Belt is a very intriguing player with a lot of natural talent. He’s still developing as a hitter since he pitched a lot as a younger player…

  17. Ezy E said, on April 7, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    Never forget the trade that sent Jack Clark to St. Louis Cardinals for David Green, Dave LaPoint, Gary Rajsich and Jose Uribe. David Green the least productive .300 hitter in modern baseball history. He hit like .300001 with the least RBI’s possible.

    • snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 12:14 pm

      Uribe, RIP, was a very good SS for the Gyros for quite a while. LaPoint was pretty forgettable. Obviously helped the Cards way more, but Clark was kinda wearing out his welcome with the Giants, and didn’t get along (surprise) with Frank Robinson…

  18. snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    I just looked and found out that in February Jack Clark apologized about his accusation of ‘roids use against Pujols, and Pujols dropped his defamation suit. Everybody happy now, except maybe the Angels with that bad contract on their hands…

  19. twinfan1 said, on April 7, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    I’ll tell you this- we’re not having our next baby if the birth interferes with the Hot Stove Season..

  20. snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    Speaking of births, we’re getting first passports for the Snarkkettes. They’re headed to Canada this summer (anybody remember when going across the Canadian border was like crossing into California from Oregon — just waive at the guy and keep driving?). The gov’t will give them a passport with the short form birth certificate that is even shorter than that of Obama that’s been seen online, plus parent’s signatures attesting that they are our kids and showing our passports to ID us. So, now these kids will be able to run for president down the road someday. So far, no birthers have protested…

    • gianthead said, on April 7, 2014 at 2:03 pm

      Drove back with just my son from Montreal about 12 years ago and the US border agents wanted to know where the hell his mother was…

  21. gianthead said, on April 7, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    I have yet to see Cain throw yet this year, we had my son’s first little league pre-seaosn game Saturday afternoon on the team I coach (we got drubbed 10-0, but no hits out of the infield, just passed balls and walks after passed balls and walks:( and dead asleep for his first start), but with payroll expanding ever upwards on couple of questionable deals to take of guys like Voggy and Scutaro and even Lincecum got a thank you for all you’ve done contract, I would not be shocked come early July before heavy deadline trade discussions begin, that the Giants look to move Cain.

    I thought from two years ago that Bum may be the future ace of the team and with his friendly contract, we got a hell of a deal for a few more years. Cian would have major major interest from AL teams. Tigers, Angels and Yanks all will be knocking.

    If we could get a bona fide outfield prospect and couple of other pitching prospects, I do the deal and I would not be unhappy seeing Petit in that spot for the time being. If Voggy blows, I think Huff could be an honest #5 in a rotation. Hudson if he pitches as he did Thursday would be a legit #2.

    And as Twin said, Crick and others are not that far off hopefully.

    • Chipower9 said, on April 7, 2014 at 2:48 pm

      I don’t see Huff being the guy if Vogey cannot go. He started early in his career, but has no starts for years. I think it would be 1) Petit. 2) Escobar. 3) Possibly Kickham.

      • snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 4:30 pm

        Maybe this Huff needs a red thong…

      • twinfan1 said, on April 7, 2014 at 4:37 pm

        He’s started quite a few in the minors the last few years. Without much success but Rags seems to have some magic with those guys.

  22. gianthead said, on April 7, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    And Chi has got it right..let’s go Big Blue. Of course being the fan I am, I bought Hold Steady tickets for tonight thinking Kentucky would be nowhere near the Championship Game:(

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  24. blade3colorado said, on April 7, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    Flavor’s site has arrived. Roach coaches are posting! 🙂

    • snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 2:29 pm

      What, no special Flap discount coupons, er Floupons?…

    • Alleykat said, on April 7, 2014 at 2:32 pm

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  25. zumiee said, on April 7, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    A yucky, cruddy game yesterday. Cain singlehandedly turned Kemp and Ramirez into hot hitters. It’s distressing to see Cain struggle. Hopefully he gets it all together.
    Onward and upward. Hopefully the Giants have a rockin’ homestand to build on the good start the team, overall, has gotten.

  26. Alleykat said, on April 7, 2014 at 4:03 pm

    Well Cain should be 1-1, yeah he struggled against Arizona but was still in line for the win, which should have been a 5-3 lead only to watch “Gas Can Gutierrez ” blow the hold for him!
    He gutted out 5 only to see the BP implode for him.

    • twinfan1 said, on April 7, 2014 at 4:51 pm

      Gutierrez has pitched pretty well. Matt gave up 9 base runners in 5 innings. He started the fire.

  27. zumiee said, on April 7, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    Pretty cool TV footage of Giants and Reds, 1961, NBC Game of the Week, with Dizzy Dean and Pee Wee Reese as broadcasters. It’s a Giants rally in the top of the 1st.

    • snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 4:59 pm

      Ol’ Diz had a rough time pronouncing Amalfitano, ha ha. Mays, Cepeda with singles, Frank Robinson in RF. Not bad. Mays wasn’t wearing a batting helmet. I’d take Diz and his malaprops over Joe Buck, hands down…

      • zumiee said, on April 7, 2014 at 5:17 pm

        It’s too bad that so much of the baseball footage on TV during those earlier eras wasn’t saved. I guess they just didn’t see the footage itself in terms of historical importance.

    • Flavor said, on April 7, 2014 at 6:42 pm

      Loo should have a field day with this.

  28. twinfan1 said, on April 7, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    I’ll be watching the kids in AA and AAA, here are their first starts:


    Escobar 4.2 IP /10 H/5 R/4 ER/1 BB/4 K
    Kickham 5 IP/8 H/2 R/0 ER/0 BB/6 K


    Crick 5 IP/3 H/1 R /1 ER/2 BB/5 K
    Mejia 5 IP/3 H/3 R/3 ER/1 BB/5 K
    Blackburn 5 IP/5 H/1 R/1 ER/1 BB/3 K
    Blach 5 IP/7 H/4 R/3 ER/0 BB /3 K

    • snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 5:30 pm

      Very likely one of the above is going to be pitching at ATT no later than mid-summer…

      • twinfan1 said, on April 7, 2014 at 5:43 pm

        Quite impressive: cumulative BB/K numbers :
        29.2 IP 5 BB 29 K

      • Flavor said, on April 7, 2014 at 6:41 pm

        let’s hope it’s not Kickham

      • twinfan1 said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:05 pm

        It’s 26 Ks, sorry.

  29. Wilcojoe said, on April 7, 2014 at 6:50 pm

    Another reason to hope Derek Law makes it to the show…His girlfriend is unreal. If I wasn’t on my phone I would post a pic.

    • snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 7:08 pm

      Send to BF for BBOTD consideration; or is she the one with the cap and glove?… 😉

  30. DJLoo said, on April 7, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    Vogelsong’s contract was in line with the Giants policy of rewarding all contributors to the title(s) except Bumgarner.

  31. snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    If UConn wins the title, the NCAA should be so proud. An 8% graduation rate for the men’s basketball team, worst in the NCAA tourney. That Calhoun, what a great coach he was…

    • DJLoo said, on April 7, 2014 at 7:29 pm

      I wish I could find the Ewing/Graham interview from around 1984. Two illiterate disgraces on national TV.

  32. zumiee said, on April 7, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    When tallying Sabean’s draft hits and misses, he gets credit for Gillaspie being a starting MLB thirdbaseman for the White Sox. Gillaspie didn’t do much for the Giants, but has found a spot in Sox Land.

    • Wilcojoe said, on April 7, 2014 at 7:29 pm

      He’s batting cleanup tonight…Tells you a lot about the “southsiders” chances.

      • zumiee said, on April 7, 2014 at 7:35 pm

        Yeah, they’re definitely not awesome. 🙂
        I dislike both basketball teams, so I’m watching the Sox/Rockies game. Harrelson cracks me up. The Sox are losing 6-0, and Harrelson facetiously finding a bright spot says: “The Sox are hitting all their cut-off men very well tonight.”

  33. DJLoo said, on April 7, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    This is a longer halftime than the Super Bowl…

  34. paulinasia said, on April 7, 2014 at 8:21 pm

    Zumie, I enjoyed watching that clip from ’61. Brought back memories of watching the ol’ black ‘n’ white Sylvania and grainy almost ghost-like figures playing ball. It sort of struck me how … I don’t know, leisurely the game seemed, between batters, between pitches…. like the guys were all just out there kind of strolling around on a Sunday afternoon picnic in the park. Maybe it’s because the telecasts at that time lacked all of the different camera angles and graphics jumping all over the screen. Fun to see.

  35. James said, on April 7, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    Mrs. James and I watched the second half of the championship basketball game tonight. We are despondent that there was no Giants game tonight and that tomorrow is opening fucking *day.*

  36. twinfan1 said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    What are the team payrolls for UConn and Kentucky?

    • snarkk said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:59 pm

      Add the total coaches’ salaries + $0 for the kids. That’s the “official” payroll…

  37. James said, on April 7, 2014 at 9:21 pm

    I wonder, if there were minor league systems for the NFL and the NBA instead of the perverse, deadly dull college game, would we have more African-American MLB players?

  38. snarkk said, on April 8, 2014 at 12:11 am

    Don’t know if you guys saw this one yet. Pretty funny…

  39. DJLoo said, on April 8, 2014 at 4:39 am

    Why the fuck would Alvin Dark bat Matty Alou third in that 1961 game? Amalfitano should have been dropped in the order so Mays and Cepeda could hit 3rd and 4th.

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