A Place To Talk About Giants Baseball

Much Ado About Nothing?

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on May 27, 2014

They say that’s it’s prudent to wait till Memorial Day until you take a look at the standings. Well, I’m looking at the standings and I see both the Giants and the A’s with the top two records in baseball. Mil-freaking-waukee is leading the NL Central. The strikeout happy Braves lead the NL East. And Toronto and Detroit lead their respective divisions in the AL.

Maybe we push that “standings look” out till July 4th this year?

Surprisingly, the Giants look most likely to stay atop their division all year long. They have the pitching (both starting and a solid bullpen) and the hitting (they have power up and down the line up finally). No one is having a career year but everyone is contributing and the team is doing it without the former NL MVP doing much of anything. Barring some catastrophic injuries, and Belt is coming back don’t forget that, we look to be in great shape to keep our NL West lead.

But it’s still not June yet.


89 Responses

Subscribe to comments with RSS.

  1. snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 8:20 am

    I see this team as far more balanced offensively and defensively than in the recent past. The Pen is a strength, with a somewhat weaker starting staff than in 2010 and 2012, but thankfully without the usual 5th day beating taking of Zito. Balance should keep them in the race. The only thing that could keep them out of the race down the stretch is injuries to starters or key position guys. There is no bench or ready to play minor league men to shore up such losses. If Pen guys go down like Casilla, there are replacements in the minors that can come up and pick up that cudgel…

  2. stickman said, on May 27, 2014 at 8:23 am

    Best balanced bunch in baseball. No major holes. Huff will join Aubrey’s oblivion scene pretty soon, i suspect. The one place where SF is loaded with able replacements is the bullpen. Expecting a change there fairly soon. Posey should recover his edge and the prospect of BB9 returning in about a month has me drooling. All this adds up to a strengthened bench with Sanchez, Colvin, Blanco, Arias and likely fairly soon too, a replacement for Adrianza. Giants may trade for someone like a 37 Y.O. gamer with advanced OBP skills. Power would be a secondary consideration simply because we are pretty well fixed in that department already.

  3. blade3colorado said, on May 27, 2014 at 9:16 am

    Ahem, all this best in MLB came when I visited here . . . Coincidence? No idea, but I will take it. Leaving today, so I’ll say a couple of positive benediction prayers for the GMen and switch to negative bad mojo curses toward the Sherpas’ once I land in Denver later today. It was nice visiting with Flavor, WillieD, Zumiee, and snarkk. Always enjoy coming out here! πŸ™‚

    Sporting my new Orange and Black Giants long sleeve T-Shirt that my mom bought for me yesterday at the Giants Dugout store in Valley Fair . . . Please let me sit next to some tool wearing Sherpa gear on the plane ride home. Would love to get into a discussion why they are going to be eating our exhaust the rest of this season. Ha! πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

    • snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 10:42 am

      Good travels, blade. See ya next time…

      • blade3colorado said, on May 27, 2014 at 11:04 am

        Thanks. On board the aircraft.

    • Chipower9 said, on May 27, 2014 at 11:44 am

      Sorry I didn’t get to see you this time around, Steve. Next time…

      Happy Trails…

    • Chipower9 said, on May 27, 2014 at 9:31 am

      Fuck the Fucking Fuck Dodgers.

  4. Chipower9 said, on May 27, 2014 at 9:31 am

    With Pablo and Pence starting to find their strides the Giants are truly now getting production from up and down the line-up. While the team is in the dregs in BA and OBP (20TH and 23rd in the majors), they have definitely flexed their muscles more than in recent years, and major league rankings of 3rd in HRs, 7th in RBIs, 9TH in SLG, 11th in Runs, and 12th in OPS prove that point.
    Team-wise, Hicks in 3rd in the team in long balls, and Crawford is second on the team in RBIs (Hicks is 5th), so these numbers definitely show that the bottom of the order is contributing.
    I think the bullpen is as good as either the 2010 or 2012 team, and while the current starters may not match-up with those teams, they are doing pretty damned good. If they can continue to get the type of pitching from Timmy and VogelStrong as they have of late, things are looking good.
    WillieD made a comment on the “25th man” yesterday. It isn’t like you expect a lot from these guys. There has been more focus here for the Giants as they have been carrying 13 arms and hence, have been playing with a “short bench.” But I doubt there are many options out there (on the open market), and certainly not in Fresno (would have to be on the 40 man roster), so I will be very surprised if Adrianza is moved. If he is moved, I would expect him to be part of a trade. But given he has no options, I will be very surprised if he is just let go. Guarantee you a number of clubs would snap him up on the waiver wire. Everything I have heard is that he is well respected in the organization. Someone must think that he eventually could turn into a good ballplayer.

    • stickman said, on May 27, 2014 at 11:05 am

      At some point around mid-season my expectation is that Adrianza, along with a minor league pitcher who still projects as a prospect, but hardly a leading one, will be traded to a team a bit short on those qualities in their rebuilding program for an aging but proven bat for our bench. As i noted in the prior posting my expectation is that this guy would be more a good OBP man than a potent power stick.

      • Chipower9 said, on May 27, 2014 at 11:46 am

        Stick – agree…that is why I said in my post the only way I see Adrinza moving is via a trade. I just don’t see the Giants making a move where he would be exposed to waivers (snapped-up in a heartbeat) and the Giants getting nothing in return.

      • snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 12:14 pm

        What would they get in a trade for a guy that never plays? A pitcher that never pitches?…

      • Chipower9 said, on May 27, 2014 at 1:48 pm

        snarkk – I am just saying that I don’t see Adrianza being cut or put on waivers. If he is moved, it will be as part of a package for journeyman utility guy or middle reliever. Not saying he will be the main piece of a deal, but him being a part of such a deal is the only way I see him being moved this year.

  5. ewisco said, on May 27, 2014 at 9:43 am

    My mantra for the past 30 years is all that matters in the first part of the season is to play somewhere near .500 ball until the all-star break. Typically if you’re around .500 you’re not too far out of it so that a good hot streak puts you over the top. You then enter the PS on a roll and i think that matters, though the last series in 2010 would maybe negate that. so all bueno.

  6. willedav said, on May 27, 2014 at 10:18 am

    I think a lot rests on shoulders of SPs. Giants with healthy Belt et al regs have solid LU that should continue to score runs. Onus on D (which again will be greatly assisted by return of Belt) and SPs to prevent enough of them to win consistently.

    • snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 10:47 am

      Yeah, I think the D is stressed a bit with Belt out. Morse is adequate over there, and Posey a bit better, but neither compares to the upgraded all-around D skills of Belt. His foul catches and bad-throw short hop pickups and throws to 2nd or 3rd on bunts helps shorten innings for the pitcher — that isn’t something emphasized in the stats. Nonetheless, it helps keep starter pitch counts down, Pen appearances down, and oppo scoring down…

      • stickman said, on May 27, 2014 at 11:10 am

        Quite right on Belt’s ‘intangibles’ guys. Currently our infield is a shade above adequate, largely due to the range and arm of CrawDaddy at short. Upon the return of BB9 we go from a grade of around C+ at least one full notch clear up to B+, particularly if Panda is getting plenty of bamboo shoots and is fat, happy and hitting up a storm. My feeling is that his hitting affects his fielding. Hicks at second is okay, but nothing to write home about. Otherwise, SF infield would project to nothing less than A-.

      • snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 12:09 pm

        Krikey, it would be nice if Hicks would hit above .200. This .186 or similar stuff is really not good for a MLB starter, even with the occasional HR…

      • Chipower9 said, on May 27, 2014 at 1:50 pm

        BA is not a true testiment to this team (see my earlier post on stats), so I am not tripping on Hick’s BA. He is by far the best option right now to play 2nd on a regular basis.

  7. unca_chuck said, on May 27, 2014 at 11:18 am

    Yes, teams get beat up, but the good news is the injuries haven’t slowed thesze guys down, and we are still clicking along at a healthy clip. Let’s just hope we can take it to the Cubbies these next 2.

    Huddy should be able to get the team back on the winning side.

  8. stickman said, on May 27, 2014 at 11:47 am

    Just checked out stats for the top 3 teams in our pipeline and for the most part those starter prospects are looking more like projects. Some of them should pull it together as they gradually adjust to tougher hitting levels.

    But for a feel-good player how bout 31 Y.O. Mark Minicozzi whom many consider a non-prospect third baseman because of his age. He just got off the DL and in his first series vs Salt Lake City he racked up an OPS (hold your hats on) of 1.511. Travis Ishikawa is also raking for Fresno with an OPS well above 1.000. I’d love to see both of these guys get September callups because it’s gone past obvious that each of them have a lot of heart and love the game.

  9. Irish Kevin said, on May 27, 2014 at 11:58 am

    Well don’t want to sound the alarm, but like all of us here, have been watching the Gmen for a very long time. And I believe from about the 70’s to 2010 the Giants had what we all use to call β€œThe June Swoon”. Yes, yes, all of the statements made here make it hard to say that swoon could happen. But this is Baseball, nothing is guaranteed. I like our D, Hicks has been surprising me. Like Crawford 2 years ago, Hicks D was questionable. He has been getting better. With that all said. I think the Giants could weather a swoon and still come out on top. GO GIANTS

    • snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 12:05 pm

      IMO the chances this year of a swoon are slim. They already had a period in April of about two weeks where they weren’t hitting worth a crap, yet managed to win and keep heads above water. I’d be surprised if they got on any kind of a really long bad streak like Atlanta just did (lost 10 straight)…

    • zumiee said, on May 27, 2014 at 12:07 pm

      I could be wrong, but I think the Swoon in those days was largely because of lack of pitching depth. The Giants would start out hot, and then their pitching would collapse somewhat in the middle of the summer. Marichal and Perry were awesome, but once you got past those two, it was a crapshoot from year to year to fill out the rotation and bullpen. The Giants finished 2nd in the Pennant race several times in the 1960s when just one more quality starter could have made the difference.

      • snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 12:13 pm

        I think you’re on the right track. Who else was starting in those days? Guys like Ron Herbel, Ray Sadecki, Bob Bolin, etc…

  10. zumiee said, on May 27, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    Marty Lurie, I think, mentioned last week that some stat source somewhere had said at the beginning of the season that the Giants had the 2nd toughest early season schedule in the NL. So to do what the Giants have done so far against a challenging schedule is impressive.
    It was and is important to put big pressure on the Dodgers, to not let the division be a cakewalk for L.A. Let’s see how the Dodgers do in an actual bona fide division race. There’s some squirrelly characters in the Dodger dugout who have a history of choking in the biggest moments. They’re chokers until proven otherwise.

    • zumiee said, on May 27, 2014 at 12:10 pm

      I think “early season schedule” was defined as April and May, if I remember correctly.

  11. zumiee said, on May 27, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    I guess I have to give Brian Wilson credit for getting the contract that he did with the Dodgers. The Dodgers pay him $10 million this season and there’s a player’s option (!) for $8.5 million next season. Overall, he hasn’t been all that good for the Dodgers this season; in fact, I look forward to him getting in games for the Dodgers. He’s usually a gas-can.

    • snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 12:47 pm

      Give his agent credit for a player option. MadBum should have had that agent…

  12. unca_chuck said, on May 27, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    Yeah, I was gonna saw the swoon went away around the time of the Count of Montefusco, when every month was a swoon . . .

  13. snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    Kershaw is 26, has a near $215M deal through 2020, with an opt out available after 2018. MadBum is 25 in August, has a deal 1/6 that size. Ouch…

    • DJLoo said, on May 27, 2014 at 1:40 pm

      It’s humiliating and they need to rectify it ASAP…

      • salty said, on May 27, 2014 at 4:39 pm

        Maybe after he also wins a Cy or two. πŸ˜‰

  14. unca_chuck said, on May 27, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    Again (and someone sasid this before) why is Adrianza such a hot commodity when he’s basically done nothing ever? Sure, he’s young, but it’s not like we’re exposing Robby Thompson to the waiver wire.

    And the Game (95.7 fm) was on the ‘fuck Panda’ bandwagon per usual this morning. Huff is especially red-ass when commenting about him. Saying ‘add 3 years to his age’ ‘I wouldn’t give him 5/90’ ‘He’s only had one good year, his rookie year’ (total horseshit) on and on. Saying ‘I’d want Buster, or Morse, or Pence up before I’d have Panda up there in a pressure sutuation.’ Posey has one double and one HR in the month of May, and appears to be hobbled by this back thing. It amazes me how much Posey gets his dick sucked by the media while he basically sucks for long stretches (and the front office) while Panda (and previously Belt) get roasted alive for much less suckitude.

    One of the callers said, Panda WILL get a big deal so why not here? I agree with that. But nowhere did they address the fact that there’s nothing in Fresno or even the FA market that will provide a better measure to address losing Pablo.

    • snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 2:43 pm

      Could not agree more.
      Panda sucked for a quarter of the season, he got roasted for it, and rightfully so. Bochy played him essentially every day. Now, he’s coming out of the funk, apparently. Posey has been in a funk since last August. Three (3) doubles this season. That stat just boggles my mind. Three doubles in 51 games for supposedly your best hitter? WTF? And consistently gets days off like he’s Murano glass. If he’s NOT hurt, which they keep saying, then he’s sucking, and should take some deserved heat. But, somehow he’s insulated. Kruk and Kuip — have they lambasted him like they did Belt? Why — because he’s an ex MVP? Posey should go see Belt to get some grip advice. If his back is F’d up, then DL him and get it right. Play Hector and get Susac up for a taste…

      • DJLoo said, on May 27, 2014 at 2:57 pm

        The 3 double stat is a shocker, but Posey is still on a 23/70 pace that is very likely to improve. Pence’s HR/RBI pace is only 18/65 at the moment…

  15. DJLoo said, on May 27, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    Make that 18/55 for Pence. I guess the 2 hole has something to do with that…

  16. Chipower9 said, on May 27, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    Little shake-up in today’s line-up…Colvin and Adrianza get starts today…

    1. Angel Pagan (S) CF
    2. Hunter Pence (R) RF
    3. Buster Posey (R) C
    4. Pablo Sandoval (S) 3B
    5. Michael Morse (R) 1B
    6. Tyler Colvin (L) LF
    7. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
    8. Ehire Adrianza (S) 2B
    9. RHP — Tim Hudson (4-2, 2.13 ERA)

    • unca_chuck said, on May 27, 2014 at 3:42 pm

      Well, the bench looks a little better.

      • snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 5:10 pm


  17. unca_chuck said, on May 27, 2014 at 3:46 pm

    Christ, at some point I’d like to see Susac come up and play, but I don’t think it’ll happen unless they DO put Posey on the DL. I mean, what if he comes up and rakes?

    • snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 5:11 pm

      He’ll rake and then go back down when Buster’s back is better…

  18. snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    Juan Perez is hitting .365 in Fresno, with a .907 OPS. Up in SF, he couldn’t hit if the ball were on a tee.
    So, what do these stats in the PCL mean, if anything?…

    • Flavor said, on May 27, 2014 at 5:35 pm

      He needs to play every day and he obviously can’t do that up here. At the MLB level, his at bats are precious and he tries to make something happen in every one of them. The pitchers know this and don’t throw him shit to hit. It’s not an enviable position to hit from.
      Could he do it up here if he played everyday and he could just hit normally at the plate. Probably not but we’re never going to find out

      • snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 5:42 pm

        Ishi’s hitting something like .375 in Fresno. If I were a bench jockey in MLB with no pop, I’d do anything and everything to just get on base. Don’t swing for the fences. Push bunt, drag bunt, slap hit, get hit. And, swinging strike threes, not called strike threes, which Perez was good at taking. I’d take Perez over Blanco if Perez figured out a way to get on base…

      • Flavor said, on May 27, 2014 at 6:18 pm

        Perez is a hacker, there’s no question about it. Down at AAA though he can at least even the playing field by not swinging at EVERYTHING. Up here, it’s like someone says “Ok, GO!” and he’s swinging at everything. THe pitchers know it too about guys like that. They scream “fresh meat.”

  19. Flavor said, on May 27, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    Buster Posey Show on Knbr right now. So far nothing but softball questions from Tolbert

    • snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 5:41 pm

      What’s wrong with your friggin back?
      Do you need to go on the DL?
      If nothing, and no, then why have you hit like crap since last August?…

      • Flavor said, on May 27, 2014 at 6:17 pm

        not a single question about his back or his health. Not a single question about why he has hit like shit since the 2nd half of last season. No question about the clothesline play that everyone thought injured him. Just a totally stupid interview. He agrees to do those “Posey Shows” twice a month and KNBR should just cancel them, they’re worthless……

  20. DJLoo said, on May 27, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    That Cincinnati trip next week should get Posey going…

  21. zumiee said, on May 27, 2014 at 6:11 pm

    Posey started off the season hitting well; and some folks have pointed out that it seemed to change after he got clotheslined by Goldschmidt at firstbase. Hopefully there’s no lingering effect of that.
    Maybe Posey just needs to relax and stop trying to do too much. Stop trying to pull the ball for homeruns, and hit more from alley to alley, which has always been his strength.

  22. Flavor said, on May 27, 2014 at 6:14 pm

    Am I mis-remembering that 50 Cent was an athlete? What is up with this throw tonight? Mariah Carey could have done better.

    • snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 6:23 pm

      That could be the worst ceremonial first pitch in the history of organized baseball…

  23. snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 6:28 pm

    If any of you were tapped to do a ceremonial first pitch at ATT, would you:
    1. Practice throwing from a mound for two weeks before
    2. Not practice at all, just go out there and fire away
    3. Drink a coupla beers before going out there
    4. Stay stone cold sober before going out there
    5. Ask Murph for some signed Giants swag
    6. [ Insert your own ]…

    • Flavor said, on May 27, 2014 at 6:32 pm

      I throw baseballs and footballs around with friends all the time still, so I don’t think I’d spend any time practicing. Maybe off a mound the day before I’d throw 10 or 15 pitches.
      But I’ll tell you this, I would let her rip. It probably wouldn’t be a strike but it would be thrown hard and be a catchable ball for the catcher…..
      And I’d have at least 3 beers in me before I threw out a first pitch or sang a national anthem.
      Now about that national anthem… πŸ™‚

  24. Flavor said, on May 27, 2014 at 6:48 pm

    50 Cent is gonna see a 30% dip in record sales tomorrow. No fan of his music could ever support him after finding out he throws a ball worse than a girl.

    • snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 6:56 pm

      I’m unsure that throw was even human…

      • Flavor said, on May 27, 2014 at 7:05 pm

        I thought it was an altered video until I found out otherwise.If I TRIED to do that, I might blow out my elbow.

      • snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 7:24 pm

        Yeah, looked like he hyper-extended the elbow and/or dislocated the shoulder throwing that duck…

    • James said, on May 27, 2014 at 7:49 pm

      I continue to be amazed that the majority of American males seem to be doofuses who deserve to be tormented by the ghost of High School bullies past for an unforgivable lack of coordination.

  25. snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    Gotta take the younger snarkkette out to a dance class, and I’ll hit the brew pub and watch the game while she’s practicing…

    • Flavor said, on May 27, 2014 at 7:41 pm

      that’s $ multi tasking at it’s best.

      • snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 10:13 pm

        Had a nice Russian River Blind Pig IPA with some solid home made veg soup and a chicken taco. Every Tuesday night I take her to dance class. Might go to Tues AND Thurs nights soon, my younger snarkkette needs to do some make up classes due to a pretty tough sprained ankle she had to rehab for two months. So, I may get some make up beers… πŸ˜‰

  26. Bozo said, on May 27, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    Gotta love three hits, two runs.

  27. James said, on May 27, 2014 at 7:41 pm

    Re earlier comments on Pence:

    1. He has the highest OBP on the team
    2. He’s scored 38 runs, second in the NL

    Pence has done well in the number 2 spot – in fact, so far he’s been more valuable at the top of the order than Pagan.

  28. stickman said, on May 27, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    Nice first inning. Betcha Giants hitters are relieved to not hafta face Samalphabetsoup again that they took it out on tonight’s hurler, Not that our guys (at least Panda) were totally flummoxed by that hard-thrower from the Notorious Dame of South Bend. They did succeed in elevating his ERA to something almost approaching non Superman numbers. Were Cain not out of action yesterday it might have been Samalphabetsoup getting Cained.

  29. salty said, on May 27, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    Morse has been especially good w/risp, 2 outs: .350, 17 ribbies.

  30. Bozo said, on May 27, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    Flav, I hope you’re watching this. It’s #22 highlight city.

  31. James said, on May 27, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    After seeing the Muelens quote about how Sandoval should not work an AB for a walk, I looked up the career stats. In 2014, Panda is drawing walks at a rate below any of his seasons through 2013. His OPS is lower at the moment than it’s been for any of his seasons through 2013.

  32. DJLoo said, on May 27, 2014 at 8:32 pm

    Just for a goof I would like to see a fan change one letter and hold up a sign that said “Authentic Fag”

  33. Bozo said, on May 27, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    Does anyone know why the lights are on at the Stick? They keep showing it lit up in the distance, are they setting the charges at night?

  34. pawliekokonuts said, on May 27, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    Being a natural-born doomer, I am unaccustomed to this much success this early. (Where do I get such Lutheran-Calvinist-Midwest gloom?) But, the wins are money in the bank. Every game won makes it that much harder for our competitors. I’ll take every success and savor it. But, sure, I’ll gladly take Ring 3 for the Giants. And I know it is possible. Maybe not even likely but surely possible.

  35. Manny said, on May 27, 2014 at 9:15 pm

    I will say this about Adrianza tonight, he has hit the ball hard all three at bats.

    • Bozo said, on May 27, 2014 at 9:31 pm


  36. Bozo said, on May 27, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    Nice win, Giants.

  37. zumiee said, on May 27, 2014 at 10:03 pm

    Bozo, somebody on the broadcast said Candlestick was lit up because of a soccer game going on.

    • snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 10:09 pm

      Yep, it was a World Cup soccer friendly match tune-up: US vs. Azerbaijan. US won 2-0…

      • unca_chuck said, on May 27, 2014 at 11:53 pm

        I thought we hated Azerbaijan

      • Nipper said, on May 28, 2014 at 4:25 am

        Where is Azerbaijan? I can’t find it on a globe.

    • Bozo said, on May 28, 2014 at 5:12 am

      Thanks Zumiee. K&K were only talking about not wanting to do another game there, when I saw it.

  38. snarkk said, on May 27, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    Hudson ERA down to 1.92, 4th in the NL. Only 6 BBs given up so far.
    Congrats to Sabes, just a slight improvement over Zito…

  39. zumiee said, on May 27, 2014 at 11:18 pm

    I’ll be taking my 2014 undefeated record to the Giants game tomorrow. πŸ™‚ Hoping we get ‘good Timmy’ tomorrow.

  40. unca_chuck said, on May 27, 2014 at 11:54 pm

    You on a roll. Missed another game due to the big move.

  41. unca_chuck said, on May 27, 2014 at 11:58 pm

    Morse, Hicks, and Huddy. Who knew they’d be the catalysts they have been? I was guardedly optimistic about Huddy and Morse, but Hicks?

    • Nipper said, on May 28, 2014 at 4:23 am


  42. Nipper said, on May 28, 2014 at 4:20 am

    Yeah this win is nice but what about Hunter’s Scooter? Where in the hell is it and who has it?

  43. snarkk said, on May 28, 2014 at 9:02 am

    The scooter story is sorta fun in a weird way, but why didn’t Pence lock it up before leaving it outside of an SF restaurant? I wouldn’t leave a regular bike unlocked anywhere in SF…

    • blade3colorado said, on May 28, 2014 at 9:04 am

      Yep . . . This would never happen in Ho Chi Minh city. All bikes are either locked up or watched by guards (usually the latter).

  44. Flavor said, on May 28, 2014 at 9:39 am

    new thread

Comments are closed.

%d bloggers like this: